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Firefox In 2018: We'll Tackle Bad Ads, Breach Alerts, Autoplay Video, Says Mozilla (zdnet.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from ZDNet: Firefox maker Mozilla has outlined its 2018 roadmap to make the web less intrusive and safer for users. First up, Mozilla says it will proceed and implement last year's experiment with a breach alerts service, which will warn users when their credentials have been leaked or stolen in a data breach. Mozilla aims to roll out the service around October. Breach Alerts is based on security consultant Troy Hunt's data breach site Have I Been Pwned. Firefox will also implement a similar block on autoplay video to the one Chrome 66 will introduce next month, and that Safari already has. However, Dotzler says Firefox's implementation will "provide users with a way to block video auto-play that doesn't break websites". This feature is set to arrive in Firefox 62, which is scheduled for release in May.

After Firefox 62 the browser will gain an optional Chrome-like ad filter and several privacy-enhancing features similar to those that Apple's WebKit developers have been working on for Safari's Intelligent Tracking Prevention. By the third quarter of 2018, Firefox should also be blocking ad-retargeting through cross-domain tracking. It's also going to move all key privacy controls into a single location in the browser, and offer more "fine-grained" tracking protection. Dotzler says Mozilla is in the "early stages" of determining what types of ads Firefox should block by default. Also on the roadmap is a feature that arrived in Firefox 59, released earlier this month. A new Global Permissions feature will help users avoid having to deny every site that requests permission for location, camera, microphone and notifications. Beyond security and privacy, Mozilla plans to build on speed-focused Quantum improvements that came in Firefox 57 with smoother page rendering.

84 comments

  1. Mozarella by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will also tackle free speech like Facebook, Google, and YouTube.

  2. Bad ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    So ... all ads then?

    1. Re:Bad ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well mostly those ads for Chrome and Edge. Bad bad bad.

    2. Re:Bad ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, you know, those which did not pay Mozilla. If they really wanted to make web a better place, they would restore the functionality which are needed by Adblock plus.

  3. Do I understand this correctly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The strategy is to follow closely in Chrome's shadow.

  4. And advertisers... by Travelsonic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    will still bitch and moan, because they're too stupid to see that the adblocking is on the rise BECAUSE of their own inability to nderstand the importance of vetting ads, because of their insistance of continually increasing the resource usage, trackking of users, and continually choosing to up annoying-ness of ads... and I don't buy for one second that "oh, they make the ads more annoying because of adblock." Bullshit, ads were this bad well before adblock became popular. I remember browsing the internet in the early 2000s.

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    If you believe in privacy, and believe you have "nothing to hide" at the same time, you're a goddammed idiot
  5. Breach Alerts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like a great target to me. All those credentials, in one place.

    Nobody thinks anything through anymore. We are getting stupider by the day.

  6. #DeleteMozillaAndChromeAndIEAndOpera by dryriver · · Score: 1

    Only Safari, the only moral browser in the world must be used! (Tim Cook: Can I have my free Apple stylus now?)

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    Why did the chicken cross the road? Because Elon Musk put an AI chip in its head.
    1. Re:#DeleteMozillaAndChromeAndIEAndOpera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Safari could not be reached for comment as it was apparently on some adventure tour through Africa.
      Chrome was found on the bumpers of an old classic car.
      Opera was last seen running from a stage after hitting a very high C and shattering windows in adjacent buildings.
      Firefox has caused multiple callouts to the Animal Anti-Cruelty League. Foxes are cute, no need to set them on fire with petrol.
      IE is curled up in a little ball in the corner, muttering "it est, it est" (it is, it is) to itself. 911 has been called.
      Cousin Edge went over a cliff and has not been found yet, presumed dead on impact.

  7. "... that doesn't break websites" by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Video Autoplay completely breaks websites from a usability standpoint.

    There are zero times I look up an article on a website where I would prefer to watch a video over READING a story. That's AFTER. If I feel I need to.

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    1. Re:"... that doesn't break websites" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The current about:config pref that blocks video auto-play breaks the manual playing of video on some sites. We're working on a way to fix that.

  8. in 2018 will Beau. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in 2018 will Beau: stop sucking cock for coke, stop sucking msmash's cock for coke, quit using "bad" toys on himself, stop going to the ER room to remove various objects (alive/dead/other) from his rectal area, start thinking, get msmash thinking, elevate the credibility of the publication, get a life?

    All these and more coming up next.

    1. Re:in 2018 will Beau. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nope he's choking on it now

  9. block autoplay videos right now by Deathlizard · · Score: 1

    about:config
    Accept the Risk
    media.autoplay.enabled = False

    1. Re:block autoplay videos right now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unfortunately, this breaks manually playing video on some major video sites so it's not a great option. That's why we're re-working it in 2018 so you can have auto-play blocked but still be able to play by pressing the play button manually (which as I said doesn't work on some sites today.)

  10. This shouldn't be the job of a browser maker... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We'll Tackle Bad Ads, Breach Alerts, Autoplay Video, Says Mozilla

    I miss the days when these sorts of problems were dealt with by standards bodies. But ever since the W3C abanoned its XHTML 2 standard, it's been an escalating arms race between browser makers, creating new, poorly-conceived (and annoying) features, and working to undermine the features introduced by their competitors.

  11. Mozilla making promises it can’t keep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If XUL was still around like it is in Pale Moon and Waterfox it would be trivial to implement extentions for the features Mozilla is proposing but no Mo$illa decided to “pocket” money from advertisers and cripple the extention and cookie management. Join the resistance, don’t use Trackzilla Spyfox.

  12. Facebook? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So every time you visit Facebook you get a popup?

  13. My browser extension list (add-ons) by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2

    Add-ons Links
    Firefox, WaterFox, and Pale Moon Browsers

    For security: Get add-ons only from the Mozilla.org add-on web pages.

    Visit those links with Firefox. Visiting with the latest version of Pale Moon (27.8.2) shows an error: """This add-on requires a newer version of Firefox (at least version 52.0). You are using Firefox 27.9."
    Pale moon add-ons

    Adblock Latitude For Pale Moon browser only. Blocks display of ads. "Adblock Latitude is a direct fork of Adblock Plus made specifically for the Pale Moon browser."

    BetterPrivacy Removed by the author. Deletes Local Shared Objects, LSOs. LSOs are files placed on your computer by the Adobe Systems Flash plug-in. Use of Adobe Flash allows web sites to track you, permanently even though your browser is configured to delete the files known as "Cookies" after each re-starting of your operating system.

    CanvasBiocker Prevents websites from using the Javascript <canvas> API to fingerprint them.

    Classic Theme Restorer Quoting 3 paragraphs:

    "This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017."

    "This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017 and Mozilla drops support for XUL / XPCOM / legacy add-ons. It should still work on Firefox 52 ESR until ESR moves to Firefox 59 ESR in 2018 (~Q2)".

    "There is no 'please port it' or 'please add support for it' this time, because the entire add-on eco system changes and the technology behind this kind of add-on gets dropped without replacement."

    Cookies Manager+

    Disconnect Updates to Pale Moon browser don't install.

    Facebook Blocker Prevents Facebook from following you everywhere there are Facebook "Like" buttons.

    Firebug "Firebug integrates with Firefox to put a wealth of development tools at your fingertips while you browse. You can edit, debug, and monitor CSS, HTML, and JavaScript live in any web page..." Firebug development page.

    FlashStopper Stops video autoplay and shows a preview thumbnail. On Sept. 9, 2017 does not work with YouTube because it prevents reading comments; there is a working version in the development branch.

    Ghostery I don't know if Ghostery still sells data: Ghostery sells data it collects. (Business Insider, Jun 18, 2013) Ghostery web site. See the article, Ghostery is Acquired by Cliqz! (Feb 15, 2017)

    HTTPS Everywhere Doesn't install in Pale Moon. Encrypts traffic by using HTTPS encryption rather than HTTP wherever web sites accept HTTPS. See How to Protect You

    1. Re:My browser extension list (add-ons) by theweatherelectric · · Score: 2

      LSOs are files placed on your computer by the Adobe Systems Flash plug-in.

      The wise thing to do is to not install Flash in the first place. Time's running out for Flash anyhow. Might as well uninstall now.

    2. Re:My browser extension list (add-ons) by Blinkin1200 · · Score: 1

      Ghostery I
          don't know if Ghostery still sells data: Ghostery
          sells data it collects. (Business Insider, Jun 18, 2013) Ghostery web site. See the article, Ghostery
          is Acquired by Cliqz! (Feb 15, 2017)

      I am very happy with Ghostery, use it in all of my browsers. I also use their browser on my Android phone, mainly to stop any additional data consumption. To the best of my understanding you can opt out of their data collection.

      I would also recommend ShareMeNot.. I don't use Facebook and do not want them (and others) tracking me.

    3. Re:My browser extension list (add-ons) by Teun · · Score: 1

      I've used Ghostery for several years and liked it's blocking of trackers.
      Very recently DuckDuckGo has made available their Privacy Essentials and it seems to block more trackers than Ghostery does.
      Plus I'd give more trust to DuckDuckGo.

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      "The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
  14. What other revenue source? by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Let's say the web were to lose all advertisements tomorrow. What replacement for the lost revenue would you prefer as a way to cover the cost of writing and hosting the articles that you read?

    A. Paywalls on most websites, causing your web searches to result in a lot more clicks on the back button
    B. Shutting down commercial websites in favor of those run on hobbyists' pocket money
    C. Some other option, which you plan to explain

    1. Re:What other revenue source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They already make shady money off of profiling people through all sorts of tracking methods.

      They can just use that; there's somewhat less avenues for malware, and it'd be much less obnoxious to casual users.

    2. Re:What other revenue source? by kangsterizer · · Score: 1

      nah i just read slashdot and it has a box to disable ads already ;-)

    3. Re:What other revenue source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The entire problem is seeing ads as a revenue source.

    4. Re:What other revenue source? by reboot246 · · Score: 2

      I really don't mind ads IF they are well-behaved. They shouldn't contain malware at the very least. They shouldn't take up half the damned screen. They shouldn't auto-play if they're video based. There should be a way to close the ad after you've seen it, especially if it's covering content you want to see. They shouldn't constantly change size making the content you're reading jump up and down. And, last but not least, they shouldn't track you.

      Ads have gotten worse and worse over the past few years. They're now annoying as shit, just in-your-face pure crap. Give me some simple ads, preferably small ones, and I'll put up with them.

    5. Re:What other revenue source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't mind A since that would mean we're going to be treated as customers instead of as products and search engines/browser extensions would adapt to it, and also it wouldn't affect me much since most of what I read on the web comes from B anyway.

    6. Re:What other revenue source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      C. Sites run by special interests offering heavily biased articles designed to push a specific narrative

    7. Re:What other revenue source? by cyn1c77 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Let's say the web were to lose all advertisements tomorrow. What replacement for the lost revenue would you prefer as a way to cover the cost of writing and hosting the articles that you read?

      A. Paywalls on most websites, causing your web searches to result in a lot more clicks on the back button
      B. Shutting down commercial websites in favor of those run on hobbyists' pocket money
      C. Some other option, which you plan to explain

      B. This was the internet before 1999 and it was a great place before everyone else showed up.

    8. Re:What other revenue source? by goose-incarnated · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Let's say the web were to lose all advertisements tomorrow. What replacement for the lost revenue would you prefer as a way to cover the cost of writing and hosting the articles that you read?

      A. Paywalls on most websites, causing your web searches to result in a lot more clicks on the back button B. Shutting down commercial websites in favor of those run on hobbyists' pocket money C. Some other option, which you plan to explain

      HOSTING:Hosting a website with almost all text-based content like /. is possible on the $5/m droplet from digital ocean. I'd be surprised if this site needs more than a 100GB of storage for its archive. A less popular site with less history should do fine on a 25GB droplet. If a site's owner cannot afford $5/m, then maybe they shouldn't host the site. If more processing power is required you can selectively spin up more VMs.

      The reason for the high hosting costs is due to the serving of ads - you need a fancy backend that auctions each user for ad delivery, you need to use ad-delivery frameworks written in cycle-wasting interpreted languages, you need to provide unnecessary images just so that you have at least some images that aren't ads, you need to use a client-side framework that is compatible with the ad network, your backend needs to talk to some tracking site for users, you need facebook, twitter, G+ integration .... for ad purposes.

      Take the ads away and your need for space and complexity goes away.

      CONTENT:You don't need full-time staff to generate content for the sites I read. In fact, the best quality content is user generated content not full-time writer content. I'd rather read a forum for comparative shopping when looking for a new car/computer/sewing-machine than a clickbait "Ten Things You Need To Know When Buying A New Car (#4 Will Shock You!)". All the most popular sites on the internet, the most visited, are the ones with user-generated content. If the site has a few hundred thousand users on some stable forum software you don't need *any* full-time staff. A few part-timers will keep things going. If you have more than a few million registered users, a 1% donation-rate of $1 per month will let you have *ONE* fulltime staff, and that person should ideally be ensuring that everything continues running.

      You only need full-time staff for generating content when that content is worthless. When you need to generate "content" that pushes some particular political view, you need to pay people to write those views. When you generate content about the top 5 document editing tools, you'll need to *PAY* people to generate that content. When you need to generate content about stripping and reassembling a Chevy V8, people will (and already have) generate that content for you. How to do $FOO? Yeah, experts have chimed in on some forum somewhere already.

      Frankly, the only reason it costs to run a site is because ads have driven up the costs. Sure, ads bring in (say) $10000/m, but you're essentially spending more than that just to support the fact that you want to run ads.

      Taking away ads and ad-supported sites will, ironically, leave us with better content. The ads arms race has resulted in every second site needing to use clickbait links and ads just to keep the users they have, because then they can advertise to those users.

      I will not miss the demise of ad-supported sites. Only advertisers will.

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    9. Re:What other revenue source? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      What other reason would content publishers have for displaying advertisement? And what alternate means would you have for paying the bills for site hosting? Servers and data connection isn't cost-free.

      Sorry, the days of running a hobby site and expecting for it to stay alive if you actually have content people want to see are long over. The real world uses load balancers, caching servers, content delivery networks, DDOS protection, multiple back-end servers, high throughput connections; and these all cost, even if you are using "the cloud".

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  15. Muted videos fall back to less efficient codecs by tepples · · Score: 1

    Good luck finding a way to "provide users with a way to block video auto-play that doesn't break websites", especially if it's muted. Site operators will fall back to less efficient methods to display video, which include a canvas displaying video decoded in JavaScript, animated GIF, or even a pure CSS motion JPEG player.

    1. Re:Muted videos fall back to less efficient codecs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firefox has already tackled the audio issue, muting is already mandatory for non-pulseaudio users.

      Cutting and pasting links to mpv isn't what you'd expect in this brave future in 2018 but it's so much better than the alternative.

      With mpsyt making youtube usable maybe bypassing everything is the only way forward.

    2. Re:Muted videos fall back to less efficient codecs by sheramil · · Score: 1

      Good luck finding a way to "provide users with a way to block video auto-play that doesn't break websites", especially if it's muted.

      Oh, I've got a way. If click on a link and it leads to an autoplaying video, I close the page, knowing that it was a 90-second bloat with a 30 second intro, of what would have been one paragraph of text, the context of which you can often infer from the url.

      "And nothing of value was lost."

  16. Doesn't block CSS MJPEG by tepples · · Score: 1

    I set media.autoplay.enabled in my copy of Firefox ESR 52 (default browser on Debian 9) to false, but this horse was still animated. What did I do wrong?

    1. Re:Doesn't block CSS MJPEG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While not built-in, anyone who wants to disable CSS transitions/animation can do so by installing an extension called "Disable Transitions and Animations".

    2. Re:Doesn't block CSS MJPEG by sheramil · · Score: 2

      That's the Muybridge Horse. NOTHING can stop the Muybridge horse, not even death.

    3. Re:Doesn't block CSS MJPEG by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      I set media.autoplay.enabled in my copy of Firefox ESR 52 (default browser on Debian 9) to false, but this horse was still animated. What did I do wrong?

      You thought that a 15-frame image loop that is less than 1MB is the same thing as the 5 x 30MB videos that autoload on some sites. We should be lucky if advertisers are forced to use the mpeg-css - the extra work might result in fewer ads.

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  17. One more thing by tomhath · · Score: 1

    All those sound like welcome enhancements. But please, do not change the UI again.

    1. Re:One more thing by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Hahaha, right. I mean, what will all their UX artists on staff do if they can't constantly fiddle with the UI?

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      Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
  18. give us back the old extensions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    which already did all this and more

  19. How about giving me back by rsilvergun · · Score: 3

    my plugin support. I don't recall plugins being much of a vector for viruses except for the occasional one that got sold off to spamers, and none of the chnages to the plugin APIs solve that problem. You can still call out to exes, it's just a big pain in the rear now.

    --
    Hi! I make Firefox Plug-ins. Check 'em out @ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-mp3-podcaster/
    1. Re:How about giving me back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here. Especially ability to banish tabs. Until then, Palemoon and Waterfox are working just fine for me.

    2. Re:How about giving me back by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The old plugin system was limiting performance and didn't support any kind of permission system.

      What plugins are you missing?

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    3. Re:How about giving me back by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I don't recall plugins being much of a vector for viruses

      So you clearly never looked then. But hey it's not just viruses. The old API can be blamed for much of the problems that were attributed to Firefox itself. Endless complaints about user's CPU and RAM usage. There were several high profile malware plugins. Many of the vectors have been closed and many of the issues the *users* were complaining about resolved as well by the API change.

    4. Re:How about giving me back by NettiWelho · · Score: 2

      What plugins are you missing?

      Session Manager; Theres ABSOLUTELY NOTHING among the new plugins that does anything with utility this thing does.

    5. Re:How about giving me back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The one single reason I will not update Firefox is DownThemAll. Mozilla has no plans to make it possible to download files fast in newer versions of Firefox.

      Captcha: chrome

  20. Good to hear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 1% of the internet who still use Firefox will appreciate it.

    Hit me up when you roll back quantum and have a plan to restore the old UI.

    1. Re:Good to hear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Classic Theme Restorer kept Firefox usable for a few years. Its UI jumped the shark well before Quantum, unfortunately.

  21. How about providing better privacy management? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or in other words, give us back the ability to manage cookies, amongst other things.

    1. Re:How about providing better privacy management? by Teun · · Score: 1

      Which never disappeared, it was moved to a different part of the menu.

      --
      "The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
    2. Re:How about providing better privacy management? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The worst thing they did was quite a few versions ago, when they took away the option to have it ask your permission to set cookies.

  22. Comprehensive metered connection strategy by grasshoppa · · Score: 2

    I'd like some browser maker, any really, to come up with a browser profile which allows for use of the web in a metered connection. There are times when all i have access to is my mobile hotspot, and I pay per gig, so I'd really like to be able to flip a switch and have things like the disabling of multi-media downloads and pictures over Xkb.

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    1. Re:Comprehensive metered connection strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I'd really like to be able to flip a switch and have things like the disabling of multi-media downloads and pictures over Xkb.

      Firefox deliberately removed the functionality, but in palemoon you can still turn off image loading.

  23. How about letting us turn off JS again you clods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t.

  24. What use for profiles other than ads? by tepples · · Score: 2

    They already make shady money off of profiling people through all sorts of tracking methods.

    They can just use that

    What use is there for such profiles if they cannot be used to improve specificity of an advertisement campaign?

  25. Having to hire an ad sales team by tepples · · Score: 2

    They shouldn't auto-play if they're video based.

    Exactly. Such an ad will pause on the first frame and cover up the page until the user clicks to start the ad playing and waits for the ad to finish playing. This is a prestitial, and Chrome would likely automatically block it because countdown prestitials before a non-video payload violate the Better Ads Standards, but a publisher* can deploy anti-adblock to send more people to the back button.

    And, last but not least, they shouldn't track you.

    In order for an ad not to track the viewer across websites, it would have to be hosted by the publisher, as opposed to going through an ad network or ad exchange. Sites that have adopted this more print-like model include Daring Fireball and Read the Docs. But for sites with less reach or less homogeneous readership than those two, how is a publisher supposed to find willing advertisers without having to hire an in-house ad sales team?

    * In adtech jargon, a "publisher" is the operator of a website that carries advertisements.

    1. Re:Having to hire an ad sales team by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Tracking isn't an inherent property of serving HTTP. Ad services could be audited the same way as certificate authorities. It's not perfect but it would stop most of the abuse.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
  26. Subscriptions are usually per-site by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What replacement for the lost revenue would you prefer as a way to cover the cost of writing and hosting the articles that you read?

    A. Paywalls on most websites, causing your web searches to result in a lot more clicks on the back button

    I wouldn't mind A since that would mean we're going to be treated as customers instead of as products and search engines/browser extensions would adapt to it

    How many pages on The Wall Street Journal can I read with a subscription to The New York Times? Zero.

    Let's assume that over the course of a month, you read two articles on each of 20 different pay sites, each of which demands (say) $5 for a 30-day subscription or $5 for 150 page views. How many people would be willing to pay $100 per month only for most of the subscription to go to waste?

    1. Re:Subscriptions are usually per-site by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      What replacement for the lost revenue would you prefer as a way to cover the cost of writing and hosting the articles that you read?

      A. Paywalls on most websites, causing your web searches to result in a lot more clicks on the back button

      I wouldn't mind A since that would mean we're going to be treated as customers instead of as products and search engines/browser extensions would adapt to it

      How many pages on The Wall Street Journal can I read with a subscription to The New York Times? Zero.

      So? We've had this problem in the sciences for centuries - if you subscribe to one journal you will miss content from another journal.

      You know what the journal solution is? Open-access journals. Author pays if they want to publish. If they cannot afford to pay for a *single* article then the content is probably worthless.

      Will this work for news publications? Probably not, but I see nothing wrong with putting news publications behind a paywall. Most of their content is worthless and they'll quickly find this out behind a paywall.

      In the future, I *hope* that WSJ and NYT are behind paywalls. Getting rid of advertising will speed this process up.

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  27. Requires Excellent karma by tepples · · Score: 1

    That checkbox is offered only to users near maximum karma. Stack Overflow has a similar model of presenting fewer ads once a user reaches a particular reputation level. But what would you do between signup and reaching the karma threshold?

  28. Even My Mom Hates the New FF by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    I might lie to you about some things, but I would never tell a lie about my own mother.

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    Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    1. Re:Even My Mom Hates the New FF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you kidding?? I will put my mom in the best light possible even if she was a horrible Mom. But she was not. She was a great Mom.

  29. Fingerprinting protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Firefox needs to implement fingerprinting protection. Brave (Chromium-based) already has this technology.

  30. awful bar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are they going to get rid of the awful bar and go back to a sane bar???

  31. Privacy Badger looks good. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    ShareMeNot has been replaced by the EFF add-on Privacy Badger. I'm trying it now.

  32. Re:Slashdot deals by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    Something like that would create better revenue. They have some pretty good deals in there. :)

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  33. Re:How about letting us turn off JS again you clod by Teun · · Score: 1

    There is an easy to use extension to toggle JS.

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    "The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
  34. Comparison of lightweight web browsers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like some browser maker, any really, to come up with a browser profile which allows for use of the web in a metered connection. There are times when all i have access to is my mobile hotspot, and I pay per gig, so I'd really like to be able to flip a switch and have things like the disabling of multi-media downloads and pictures over Xkb.

    Comparison of lightweight web browsers
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    1. Re:Comparison of lightweight web browsers by jouassou · · Score: 1

      That's browsers that are lightweight on system resources, not lightweight on internet usage. How does that help? Or was the point that some browsers don't support images etc.?

  35. I want a tab-top by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    something that would let me find which tab(s) are eating my CPU with some crappy javascript. I would then be able to close the tab; although a ''stop javascript in this tab'' button would be better.

    1. Re:I want a tab-top by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      although a ''stop javascript in this tab'' button would be better.

      Yescript2 addon - one click to disable scripting and reload tab.

    2. Re:I want a tab-top by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's been about:performance although I mostly used it when the browser was still really slow (versions 40-something)

  36. Internet back then was dial-up by tepples · · Score: 1

    What replacement for the lost revenue would you prefer as a way to cover the cost of writing and hosting the articles that you read?
    [...]
    B. Shutting down commercial websites in favor of those run on hobbyists' pocket money

    B. This was the internet before 1999

    Except "the internet before 1999" was 0.05 Mbps dial-up, or sub-Mbps DSL if you were rich enough to move to one of the cities where the local incumbent phone company chose to test-market it. Even if you would be willing to go back to dial-up, what fraction of other Internet users would? And even though modern high-speed home Internet access is available right now, how long do you think demand therefor would continue without the availability of commercial websites?

    1. Re:Internet back then was dial-up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you trying to imply that broadband wouldn't have developed without advertising, and that after we kill off the ads, broadband will go away again?
      You don't say it, but it's a ridiculous idea. There is no advertising on Netflix, which as we're always saying, accounts for most of the Internet traffic.
      And of course YouTube happened without advertising, though I have heard they did start putting advertising on the site (at some point after the advent of adblockers). Amazon does just fine without any ads, since they sell stuff themselves and you go there to buy it. Sites that are mostly text, like Reddit and Twitter, wouldn't have any effect on broadband one way or the other. So I reject a connection between advertising and high-speed Internet access.

  37. Vidme shut down by tepples · · Score: 1

    Hosting a website with almost all text-based content like /. is possible on the $5/m droplet from digital ocean.

    Then what would you recommend for someone whose works aren't "text-based"? Or would you instead encourage freelance photograhers, illustrators, and animators to give up their trade and instead retrain to become writers?

    If a site's owner cannot afford $5/m, then maybe they shouldn't host the site.

    Then who, other than the site's owner, would host the site? I don't see each of the billion-plus Facebook members joining the IndieWeb movement and subscribing to a $15 per year domain and $60 per year VPS just to run his own website. Where would a minor even come by that sort of money, especially if other kids have already swallowed up all the lawn mowing jobs in the neighborhood?

    the best quality content is user generated content not full-time writer content.

    The prevalence of major platforms built for wide distribution of user-generated content, such as Facebook and Twitter, has led to the use of said platforms for disinformation campaigns, such as the "fake news" battles during the 2016 U.S. election season. In a scenario dominated by user-generated content, who pays for the fact checking?

    Besides, nowadays, "user-generated content" often includes video for all screen sizes and viewer processing capabilities. When the user who generated the content uploads a high-definition video, who pays to "selectively spin up more VMs" to transcode it to lower bitrates for users of small battery-powered computers or slow or metered Internet connections? Vidme shut down because it could no longer afford to serve the load.

    If you have more than a few million registered users, a 1% donation-rate of $1 per month

    Of which the credit card network would pocket 0.30 USD per swipe. The Bitcoin miners would pocket even more, as average transaction fees surpassed the equivalent of 55 USD in December of last year, though for the past month, they have stayed between 1 and 3 USD. Who pays for the research and development of a practical micropayment network?

    will let you have *ONE* fulltime staff, and that person should ideally be ensuring that everything continues running.

    First, how many of these registered users are active, as opposed to users who haven't posted in months? Second, with bills like SESTA/FOSTA eroding safe harbors for site operators, I doubt that one staff member could handle even the legal compliance requirements for moderating a site with three million users.

    How to do $FOO? Yeah, experts have chimed in on some forum somewhere already.

    Once Google Search and Bing have shut down due to the loss of ad revenue, through what means shall users find the writings of said "experts" who "have chimed in on some forum somewhere already"?

    1. Re:Vidme shut down by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      Hosting a website with almost all text-based content like /. is possible on the $5/m droplet from digital ocean.

      Then what would you recommend for someone whose works aren't "text-based"? Or would you instead encourage freelance photograhers, illustrators, and animators to give up their trade and instead retrain to become writers?

      If they're using the website for work then they can bloody well pay for it. Their content is unavailable? Not my problem because I wasn't viewing it anyway.

      If a site's owner cannot afford $5/m, then maybe they shouldn't host the site.

      Then who, other than the site's owner, would host the site? I don't see each of the billion-plus Facebook members joining the IndieWeb movement and subscribing to a $15 per year domain and $60 per year VPS just to run his own website. Where would a minor even come by that sort of money, especially if other kids have already swallowed up all the lawn mowing jobs in the neighborhood?

      Why would they each need their own website? You're presenting a false dichotomy. If facebook didn't exist because of no ads, why are you presenting the only other option being "everyone has their own website"? The other option, one that was prevalent before the ad-infested web, is that groups pool their money together for the $60/year needed to keep the forum open. If a forum cannot get enough paying members, why is that my problem to solve? Maybe the forum shouldn't exist if there's no support for it.

      the best quality content is user generated content not full-time writer content.

      The prevalence of major platforms built for wide distribution of user-generated content, such as Facebook and Twitter, has led to the use of said platforms for disinformation campaigns, such as the "fake news" battles during the 2016 U.S. election season. In a scenario dominated by user-generated content, who pays for the fact checking?

      Who cares? Seriously, who cared before advertising was a thing on the internet? Besides, the disinformation campaigns were about equal for both parties in the US election - they sorta cancelled each other out in that regard. Why would I care that some rich assholes somewhere is annoyed that the media is no longer in control and the users are?

      Besides, nowadays, "user-generated content" often includes video for all screen sizes and viewer processing capabilities. When the user who generated the content uploads a high-definition video, who pays to "selectively spin up more VMs" to transcode it to lower bitrates for users of small battery-powered computers or slow or metered Internet connections? Vidme shut down because it could no longer afford to serve the load.

      Once again, I don't care. If *YOU* care about watching videos on the internet, maybe you go and put your money into the pot for those sites you care about. The topics I care about can survive with minimal donations. You may prefer to watch a 40m talking head explain 2m worth of content. I can read.

      If you have more than a few million registered users, a 1% donation-rate of $1 per month

      Of which the credit card network would pocket 0.30 USD per swipe.

      So? Swipe once a year and donate $12.30 instead of $12. When I donate to the SPCA I do a big amount once a year, not a small amount each day.

      The Bitcoin miners would pocket even more, as average transaction fees surpassed the equivalent of 55 USD in December of last year, though for the past month, they have stayed between 1 and 3 USD. Who pays for the research and development of a practical micropayment network?

      Who cares. I don't need it. The things I am interested in won't need micropayments either. I can pay once a year.

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  38. Meh, Firefox irrelevent anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looking more and more that Firefox is just doing desperate stuff to be relevant and get at least some interest from users. Has it become a niche browser already?
    So far its not looking to good for Firefox and if it kills ads even the ones it survives on that's going to be counter productive to its survival.

  39. What's your forum's attachment limit? by tepples · · Score: 1

    If a forum cannot get enough paying members, why is that my problem to solve?

    It's your problem to solve if you happen to be a member of such a forum that can no longer pay its bills.

    Once again, I don't care. If *YOU* care about watching videos on the internet, maybe you go and put your money into the pot for those sites you care about. The topics I care about can survive with minimal donations.

    I wouldn't be so sure that affordable high-speed home Internet access can keep its economies of scale if the only topics that the Internet covers are those that "can survive with minimal donations". What's the size limit for photo attachments on forums that discuss the topics you care about? Because if people decide to cut back to dial-up in response to withdrawal of advertising-supported works, then your (presumably fiber or cable) Internet provider may not consider it profitable to continue providing (presumably fiber or cable) Internet service to your home, and the "56K warning" that used to be common on forums is likely to return.

    Swipe once a year and donate $12.30 instead of $12.

    Then the question becomes how to convince new members of a forum to donate $12.30 in exchange for 365 days of privilege to post to the forum.

    will let you have *ONE* fulltime staff, and that person should ideally be ensuring that everything continues running.

    Second, with bills like SESTA/FOSTA eroding safe harbors for site operators, I doubt that one staff member could handle even the legal compliance requirements for moderating a site with three million users.

    Not a problem, host the damn thing abroad, have the single full-time staff in a third country.

    That works until said third country enacts its own counterpart to SESTA/FOSTA, or until money laundering and terrorism funding laws catch up with this business model design pattern.

    Once Google Search and Bing have shut down due to the loss of ad revenue, through what means shall users find the writings of said "experts" who "have chimed in on some forum somewhere already"?

    You don't need a Google or Bing to spider effectively.

    Then what do we need? I'd be interested to read your architecture for spidering every forum in existence on the shoestring budget of a hobbyist.

    Or what am I missing?

  40. Welcome to 2011 by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

    Wow welcome to 2011 Firefox :: Dev.Opera — Autoplay, Go Away!

    Back before Opera became a useless Chrome clone, and had preemptive JavaScript.

    1. Re:Welcome to 2011 by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      Preemptive JavaScript could:
      Easily override a given page function with a user-defined function.
      Alter the page document (DOM) before it was rendered by the browser.

      No browser allows you to do those things anymore.

  41. From the people who disabled the ESC key. by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 2

    Bring back the goddamned ESC key. Until a user can hit hyper pages like Yahoo News with a tranquilizer dart that delivers a static page that can be scrolled and read until the user hits the end or hovers over something... it will not be complete. It should cancel Javascript time triggers also, something addons cannot presently do far as I know.

    Sorry, you cannot have access to the content you can plainly see in the window because an oversold cloud appliance or gobblegook DNS abuse tactic is failing to respond.

    cite "Without getting into too much technical details, pressing the Esc key can cause major problems for sites that use Web Apps that are coded in Ajax or use jQuerry. With the growing popularity and number of web apps came a great number of users accidentally hitting the escape key. So effective with Firefox 20 the Esc key will no longer stop anything, it simply won't do anything.

    cite bug 614304, comment showing consensus "Yeah, I think we should remove this "feature". Having a key to abort network requests seems like an expert feature that at least shouldn't be enabled by default. IMHO it should ideally be removed completely. People can always write an extension to re-add it if desired."

    So instead of forcing XMLHttpRequest/WebSocket/Ajax developers to directly address the situation of sudden lost network connectivity... which is a general design issue and might have been solved by now... it was decided that the unwashed masses should lose control of their browsers, forever. There's always yanking the wall plug, until Mozilla addresses that problem at some future date.

    </S> humor, kinda. I love Firefox even though I'm frozen at an undisclosed earlier version.

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    1. Re:From the people who disabled the ESC key. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could disable JavaScript altogether. If you're complaining about AJAX requests and running JavaScript in your browser then you are part of the problem.