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Google Unveils Acer's Chromebook Tab 10 Ahead of Apple's Education-Focused Event Tomorrow (cnet.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Maybe Acer knows what Apple is up to tomorrow, maybe not. Regardless the information and communication tech company announced today the world's first Chrome OS tablet made for the education market, the Chromebook Tab 10. Designed for use in K-12 classrooms, the 9.7-inch tablet could potentially add to Google's Chromebook lead in the US education market and take some of the wind out of Apple's education-focused press conference on March 27. [...] Acer's new tablet, which will sell for $329 in April, is built around a 2048x1536-resolution IPS touchscreen with 264 pixels per inch. A durable Wacom EMR stylus comes standard and stores in the tablet's chassis that's only 0.39-inch thick (9.98 mm). Running on a Rockchip OP1 processor, 4GB of memory and 32GB of storage, the Tab 10 fully supports Google Play giving schools access to educational Android apps.

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  1. Why does an education tablet... by magusxxx · · Score: 1

    ...need cameras at all?

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    1. Re:Why does an education tablet... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      Most likely reason is that it's more expensive to maintain two different SKUs/product lines than just to pay for the extra cameras. Same reason why older laptops used to be sold without ethernet... except the electronics were all there, just covered by plastic.

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    2. Re:Why does an education tablet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    3. Re:Why does an education tablet... by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Rear camera is maybe unnecessary, but a front camera is for video conferencing.

    4. Re:Why does an education tablet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the kids can Insta photos of their lunch, and Snapchat the inevitable school shooting

    5. Re:Why does an education tablet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the CIA will subsidize the cost.

    6. Re:Why does an education tablet... by fermion · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Media is a big deal in education. There is a lot that kids are asked to document. You would be amazed how many kids do not know how to get media into a presentation. In modern education, kids are documenting all the time.

      That said the cost is not going to be a big deal. it is durability. On reason tablets are so popular is that they are relatively tougher than laptops. If nothing else, the reluctant student is mot going to be able to tear up the keyboard. Any damage on a tablet is intentional.

      The second issue is tool to manage the devices. MS is a winner in schools now because they have leveraged their corporate management tools to the classroom. iPads are a winner in the classroom because there are tools to manage them in the classroom.

      That said, winning the tablet market is going to require something lower than $300. This is around what laptops costs in the quantities school district buy. But tablets have yet to catch on because they are not yet as usefu, and even $330 retail still quite expensive.

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    7. Re:Why does an education tablet... by Bradmont · · Score: 0

      But tablets have yet to catch on because they are not yet as usefu,

      Tablets are not yet as useful because they will not ever be as useful. Without a keyboard, you can't accomplish a significant quantity of real work in a reasonable time; on screen keyboards will never reach the efficiency of a mechanical keyboard.

    8. Re:Why does an education tablet... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      ...need cameras at all?

      Because of multimedia?

      I can think of several reasons why.
      * Kids might be recording a video about something (say, a performance. Or maybe they're doing a video report)
      * Kids might want to take a photo of something for a report.
      * It may be important to talk to people via Skype or other video platform

      Cameras aren't unusual anymore, and today's kids are growing up in a multi-media type environment. Hell, when I was in school, I had do stuff like that too, except instead of having a camera everywhere, you had to either borrow the schools' video equipment, or use your own or hope someone in your group had a camcorder. Yes, we had to submit projects in VHS. The lucky people had an edit station. The rest of us made do with jump-cut edits where we filmed one scene, stopped, prepared the next scene in order, filmed that, etc. This was for school. The best editing we had was the ability to hit Stop and Record on the destination VCR on transferring the camcorder tape to VHS.

      And yes, we also had the opportunity to "talk with experts" via phone and video conferencing.

    9. Re:Why does an education tablet... by Albanach · · Score: 1

      MS is a winner in schools now because they have leveraged their corporate management tools to the classroom.

      All the schools around here use Chromebooks. They're massively successful in education because of their low upfront costs, long battery life, low power and very easy management. Google Docs is a staple tool in education.

    10. Re: Why does an education tablet... by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      They are for convenience, not for being your main machine. I don't think anyone expects a tablet to completely replace a laptop. Perfect for jotting some notes down or quickly look something up. This is better than using a laptop in class, all the keyboard typing would be annoying in a classroom environment.

    11. Re:Why does an education tablet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are also,
      - Mostly useless. Can only do the bare basic .... and that is even questionable
      - A privacy problem (they are spyware by design)
      - Teaches the wrong things. Due to the limitations, kids are taught to work on decrepit tools that don't reflect real world usage

      While they are OK for consumption of information, for they are really not that good for real education purpose.

    12. Re:Why does an education tablet... by Mark+of+the+North · · Score: 1

      As someone who unintentionally found himself spear-heading a move to ChromeBooks in two school authorities, has two kids in the school system who use ChromeBooks daily, and a wife who teaches two students with ChromeBooks, I have to disagree with two of your points.

      I agree with the privacy problem. It is a big negative and, in my view, disqualified the platform. Unfortunately, I was over-ruled...twice.

      They are absolutely not mostly useless. The software options are quite decent because there are so many cloud-based tools, and it gets better all the time.

      The tools available on Windows laptop in schools are generally more decrepit because schools can't afford the licensing and don't have the staff to maintain the software. And as someone who is constantly interacting with organizations, Google's tools are everywhere, including a large provincial bank. They reflect real world usage.

      Chromebooks completely changed the classroom, arguably more than digital whiteboards. I would have preferred a bunch of pure Linux laptops, but could never have afforded the time to manage them in addition to the administration's Windows boxes. Deploying a few hundred Chromebooks was incredibly painless.

  2. Yet another market... by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 2

    I remember when it was received wisdom that one of the only two markets where Apple fought tooth and nail for was education. Now it seems more like Apple says if they can't give students a tablet, they'd rather cede the market. To them, if it's not a super profitable market, fuck it.

    Here's why that's wrong...

    At Apple's valuation, they could easily slice and dice the market to build a solid moat to protect their high end.

    1. MacBook: $500-$1000. Simple, crappy specs, but solid design aimed at lower income people and students to suck them into the "Apple Lifestyle" as best as you can.
    2. MacBook Air: $1000-$2000; ultra mobility laptop.
    3. MacBook Pro: Desktop replacement; $2000-$5000 price tag.

    The irony? My company wouldn't think twice about dropping $3500-$4000 on a desktop replacement w/ 32-64GB of RAM and rock solid design. Apple could segment the market even higher if they had the vision.

    1. Re:Yet another market... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1, Informative

      Macbook is already simple and cr@ppy, just close to $1000. It doesn't have to be that way -- plenty of laptops under $1000, or even under $500 have more than one USB port!

  3. Re:Windows 10 Support? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    You mean Ubuntu or Mint, so it's not tied to any of the Big Pigs of tech?

  4. Reverse psychology by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 0

    Yeah, it takes courage to have lots of ports on a laptop! It takes courage to have a thicker laptop for the sake of having a better keyboard and more battery life! It takes courage to price such a laptop at around $500!

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    1. Re:Reverse psychology by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Not trolling, trying to trick Apple into giving us the laptop that we all want. See title of previous post.

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  5. They need a free or low cost Management Solution. by Deathlizard · · Score: 2

    From my experience. almost no school uses Mac's. iPads have pretty much supplanted them. Chromebooks and ChromeBases are supplanting the Windows PC's since almost every K-12 app is web based anymore, and no IT dept wants to deal with Windows roll-outs and malware anymore.

    For a brief time, I worked for a K-12 school with iPads and chromebooks. The biggest issue Apple needs to address is managing them. Chromebooks are pretty much "Get on WiFi, register, and manage through the web console". iPads are "Pray the third party management software works right this time or you're going to be entering iTunes passwords 3 times on 300+ iPads."

  6. Re:Windows 10 Support? by dasgoober · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can I install Windows 10 and actually turn it into something useful that's not tied to Google?

    Like a door-stop ?

  7. Re:Windows 10 Support? by dmitrygr · · Score: 1
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  8. Re:Tablets not for schools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tablets are better than laptops for writing book reports, learning programming, creating websites, etc. So some people think, anyway.

  9. Excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck apple

  10. A tablet that costs as much as a laptop. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Acer Aspire E 15 E5-575-33BM is a $350 15.6", 1080p laptop with an i3-7100U and 4 gigs of RAM. It's upgradeable to a point, so more RAM is possible, as is a SSD. Includes a keyboard, so no need for a bluetooth one as the tablet would require.

    Windows products are price competitive in the mid-tier and above. It's usually in the ultra low-end where Chrome/Android device might have better hardware for the price.

    1. Re:A tablet that costs as much as a laptop. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An off lease business machine would still make more sense in terms of power and usability.

    2. Re:A tablet that costs as much as a laptop. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ongoing Windows management costs will drive TCO far beyond a chromebook. Why do you think schools switched?

  11. Your Emily Litella Moment is here by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Tablets are not yet as useful because they will not ever be as useful. Without a keyboard, you can't accomplish a significant quantity of real work ... Which is why you can attach a bluetooth keyboard to pretty much any tablet today. And for tablets you can also buy keyboard cases that integrate cover and keyboard.

    So your point... where is that again... lost it.

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  12. They have that desktop by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    My company wouldn't think twice about dropping $3500-$4000 on a desktop replacement w/ 32-64GB of RAM and rock solid design.

    It's called an iMac (or an iMac Pro, though that's a little higher than your range). They are solid designs.

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    1. Re:They have that desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mediocre designed with crappy software

    2. Re:They have that desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The iMac is a laptop?

  13. Re:Tablets not for schools by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    "Some people" who have never typed a few pages on a touch screen or Smurface gummy keyboard.

  14. Re: Tablets not for schools by Brockmire · · Score: 1

    This was meant as sarcasm, right? Text editing is much better with keyboard and mouse and a decent sized monitor.

  15. Re:Tablets not for schools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, but that is total BULL. Anybody who prefers a tablet over a laptop for developing (text based) content is a masochist and has no clue about the difference between the platforms.

  16. The tablet+keyboard case has to be under $300 by tepples · · Score: 1

    That said, winning the tablet market is going to require something lower than $300.

    Without a keyboard, you can't accomplish a significant quantity of real work in a reasonable time

    for tablets you can also buy keyboard cases that integrate cover and keyboard.

    Which combination of tablet and keyboard case that totals less than $300 is any good? An iPad mini alone costs that much without a keyboard case.

    1. Re:The tablet+keyboard case has to be under $300 by DrYak · · Score: 1

      Which combination of tablet and keyboard case that totals less than $300 is any good?

      Bluetooth and USB keyboard can go all the way from crappy asian no-names that still work at ~10 EUR (see ebay, alibaba) all they way to decent quality from more reliable brands (logitech, their's at ~50 EUR) up to 100 EUR (there's definitely no point buying anything beyond that. 300 EUR keyboards are vanity items).

      You can find 10 inch tablets with not so bad hardware going from 100-150EUR range with some "meh" brands (Acer) up to 150-200 EUR range with more known brands (Lenovo). Though you have to concede that at that price range, it's going to be powered by some cheap MediaTek chipset, so don't expect miracles in terms of performance nor miracles doable by LineageOS.

      Still means that you can make your self a half decent installation somewhere between 120EUR and 300EUR depending on the hardware you picked up.

      An iPad mini alone costs that much without a keyboard case.

      I think I found where your problem comes from.
      *i*Pad <- it's there.

      If the point of your device is to :
      - surf the web to get some information (Wikipedia and co)
      - surf the web to the school's web app quizzes etc.
      - watch video tutorials (online courses)
      - write documentations and presentation using the school's local deployment of commercial Google Docs or whatever is Microsoft's clone currently called (Office 365 Web ?)

      An Apple iShiny is complete over-kill.
      (My 3 years old 10inch ACER tab bought for less than 150EUR can still do it today, despite being so crappy that there's no LineageOS available for it - there's no fastboot mode available at all).

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    2. Re:The tablet+keyboard case has to be under $300 by tepples · · Score: 1

      SuperKendall wrote:

      for tablets you can also buy keyboard cases that integrate cover and keyboard.

      Which combination of tablet and keyboard case that totals less than $300 is any good? An iPad mini alone costs that much

      An Apple iShiny is complete over-kill.

      Though I agree with that, I was customizing the phrasing to be more relevant to the fan of Apple products to whom I was replying.

  17. 64-bit ARM chips by chris-chittleborough · · Score: 1
    The Tab 10 uses the Rockchip RK3399 SoC, which is a 64-bit Big.Little setup with 2 Cortex-A72 cores, 4 Cortex-A53 cores and a separate NEON coprocessor.

    We'll see more and more Inexpensive tablets, netbooks, etc based on ARM v8 CPUs that have nearly the performance of low-end desktops, and that's a Good Thing.

  18. There, I fixed that for you... by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

    Correction: Apple and Google are competing for your tax dollars to defund effective teaching practices and materials, to siphon them off into corporate tax havens, regardless of whether the replacement teaching practices and materials are at all effective.

    BTW, a 2015 OECD study http://dx.doi.org/10.1787/9789... found a negative correlation between ICT use in K-12 schools and academic outcomes, i.e. literacy, maths, science, etc..

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  19. In 1 month, it will be denied logons to google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because it's so out dated. Sure. Google is scum for disallowing google logins to all devices. Screw them.