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AT&T/Verizon Lobbyists To 'Aggressively' Sue States That Enact Net Neutrality (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: A lobby group that represents AT&T, Verizon, and other telcos plans to sue states and cities that try to enforce net neutrality rules. USTelecom, the lobby group, made its intentions clear yesterday in a blog post titled, "All Americans Deserve Equal Rights Online." "Broadband providers have worked hard over the past 20 years to deploy ever more sophisticated, faster and higher-capacity networks, and uphold net neutrality protections for all," USTelecom CEO Jonathan Spalter wrote. "To continue this important work, there is no question we will aggressively challenge state or municipal attempts to fracture the federal regulatory structure that made all this progress possible." The USTelecom board of directors includes AT&T, Verizon, Frontier, CenturyLink, Windstream, and other telcos. The group's membership "ranges from the nation's largest telecom companies to small rural cooperatives."

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  1. Makes sense by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Broadband providers have worked hard over the past 20 years to deploy ever more sophisticated, faster and higher-capacity networks, and uphold net neutrality protections for all," USTelecom CEO Jonathan Spalter wrote. "To continue this important work, there is no question we will aggressively challenge state or municipal attempts to fracture the federal regulatory structure that made all this progress possible."

    We support net neutrality so strongly that we will sue anyone that dares to try to enforce net neutrality.

    1. Re:Makes sense by hawguy · · Score: 2

      It's the headline that says that the telcos will sue states that enact Net Neutrality. That's not what the telcos are saying, it's the flamebait headline... and you fell hook, line, sinker.

      Then what did they mean by "we will aggressively challenge state or municipal attempts..."?

    2. Re:Makes sense by suutar · · Score: 2

      what they _mean_ is "we will sue anyone who wants more than the feds do, now that we've got them doing only what we're willing to support, but we'll claim to be supporting the principles we no longer have to actually implement."

    3. Re:Makes sense by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Powerful federal net neutrality rules keep community broadband efforts away from finding an ISP.

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    4. Re:Makes sense by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      We support net neutrality so strongly that we will sue anyone that dares to try to enforce net neutrality. [paraphrased]

      Per "1984" book, their statement is corporate double-speak at its finest.

    5. Re: Makes sense by q_e_t · · Score: 2

      Doublespeak is not a term used in 1984, and predates its publication.

  2. Such fucking bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    FCC states that it's up to the states to enact these rulkes. The states go to try to enact these rules and the telecoms try to sue

  3. TL;DR by TimMD909 · · Score: 4, Funny

    So wait, Spalter said "Broadband providers have worked hard (to) uphold net neutrality protections..."

    That level of lying and double talk just now seg faulted my brain...

    Oww....

    Oww....

  4. Corporate thugs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know who else talks like that? The Mafia.

  5. newspeak by elcor · · Score: 2

    You know it's evil by the amount of newspeak being used

  6. This is why it matters. by RyanFenton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If anyone ever asks why political stuff gets a section on Slashdot: It's because this stuff matters.

    Technology is shaped by the limits imposed on it.

    Your computer can only interact with another computer if there is a connection between you.

    Very rich organizations own those connections, and charge eachother large amounts of money for those systems of connections.

    They are owned by shareholders that demand more money each year.

    Thus, unless there is a constant fight against it, you will pay a higher and higher rate than inflation, an increased amount for each method of communicating with other computers.

    Net neutrality is part of that fight. Giving up on net neutrality is very much like giving up your side of that fight, without any meaningful promise of extra services.

    Which is especially galling, because those same groups have constantly renegged on actual promises for better service for prices in the past.

    Compared to virtually every other modern economy, they offer the US the worst value per dollar. And they will force these trends onto other countries with time.

    It's fine if you want to be libertarian - but the libertarian ideal also has to include each side negotiating with full force. Giving up net neutrality is giving up your side of the argument completely, since there is no meaningful competition on the horizon for most of this. You're just agreeing to pay more over time forever, for no real reason, your only option is to pay more at each branching path.

    Ryan Fenton

    1. Re:This is why it matters. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      What do you think it will look like when I try to pass Net Neutrality legislation? Will Verizon try to sue me? Maybe they'll donate to my campaign at some point, and then try to sue me because they want their money back. \o/

  7. It would be a shame by bobstreo · · Score: 4, Informative

    If the FCC had enough balls (or a lack of glaring personal financial interest) to start collecting back spectrum licenses from AT&T and Verizon.

  8. Re:All Americans Deserve Equal Rights Online by srmalloy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "All Americans deserve equal rights online."
    And you'll get them as long as you're willing to pay through the nose for the privilege.

  9. Re:More rate hikes coming soon by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    suing their own customers and the customer are paying for it

    We've already paid for it. Twice. During the Clinton administration, $200 billion of taxpayer dollars were handed over to broadband providers who promised us 45 Mbps, both ways, within a decade.

    Since that time, over $1 trillion in direct payments, tax breaks and other inducements, all of it taxpayer money, has been given to broadband companies who are now fighting tooth and nail not to provide the service they claim to do.

    Considering it was the government (i.e. taxpayers) who created the internet, that it is government (i.e. taxpayers) who continues to foot the bill, it's very disingenuous for companies to claim they shouldn't have to do what the government tells them to do.

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  10. Great. Quit trying to regulate by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Instead, go after the monopolies. It is long past time for states to de-monopolize these utilities that want to be de-regulated, and at the same time, allow municipals to compete.

    This would be far more effective than trying to regulate them.

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  11. u have it backwards by WindBourne · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The answer is NOT to regulate these idiots. It will not help
    The RIGHT solution is to remove their monopoly, AND allow municipals and even states to set up competitive fiber utilities. Once a state de-monopolizes or at least forces open the ability for competition, then they will have no choice but to go after each other's area and compete on performance, and $.

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    1. Re:u have it backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is not much more room for utilities (at least in the ground) in most places. Electrictiy, sewer, water, telecom all usually require a certain distance from each other, and municipalities and private citizens don't like to hand out permits/easements for more where they might encroach. so atleast for telco underground, and overhead where they often go joint-use with the electric utility, there is not room for more than a few in my experience. Sometimes, especially with electrictiy for example, there isn't physical/legal room enough for more than one infrastructure...so sometimes "monopolies" are necessary, and they need to be regulated.

    2. Re:u have it backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, the RIGHT solution is to ban companies that own cables in the ground from charging for the services provided across them.

      Why should the same company provide both the connection and the content? Separating the two works for electricity, for physical deliveries, heck even for telephones. It's the easiest and cheapest option for internet.

  12. Re:All Americans Deserve Equal Rights Online by TheReaperD · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unless Comcast is the only provider in your area. If that's the case, you'll pay through the nose while you scream like a little bitch and then they'll ignore you and/or laugh at you since they know you have no other option.

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  13. Simple Fix by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The States should counter-sue demanding folks like AT&T be forced to break up into smaller companies.

    They posses an unfair advantage when they are delivering both content and control the pipes that supply it at the same time. It's a classic conflict of interest.

    Watch how fast the big Telcos go quiet about all this " sue everyone " nonsense if their Monopoly status gets threatened.

  14. Divestiture gone wrong. by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 5

    The only reason net neutrality / non neutrality is an issue is because the 1984 divestiture of the Bell System was done incorrectly.

    Rather than making it about local vs. long distance, followed by reversal of those rules based on some nonsense about unbundled elements, the only regulation that needs to be in place is this: a carrier can operate a central office and provide last mile connectivity, but cannot provide any services over those wires.

    By doing this, the carriers who operate the last-mile monopoly or duopoly cannot be the same carriers who operate voice, data, or video services over those wires. At this point you end up with the same diversity of Internet providers that you currently have over "long distance carriers" (if that's still even a thing).

    It's the only regulation needed, because it would eliminate the need for all of the others. You would almost immediately have aggregators who provide central office connectivity to smaller network operators. You would have large network operators going directly into the central offices to save money. And if a network operator got stupid and decided to prioritize or restrict traffic, subscribers would have dozens of other network operators to choose from.

    This is the principle of placing reglations ONLY where a natural monopoly exists. When you regulate higher up the value chain, you get inefficiencies and politics and corruption and all of the other crap.

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  15. The Libertarian counter argument is by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    that if government would just get out of the way competition would happen. And we've seen this over and over again in large scale networks. Just look at the rail road industry... wait scratch that. Well there's the telephone industry... no, scratch that one too. Look, deregulation work this time. No monopolies. We promise.

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  16. Muni broadband will last about 3/10ths of a second by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    before the telecoms parachute in lawyers and lobbyists and shut it down. Most states already have laws banning it. The trouble with municipal governments it they're too small to fight off a mega corp. It's the same reason we don't let cities run their own branch of the national defense. China would pick 'em off one by one until we were a vassal state.

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  17. Re:yes by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    The walled community could have its own community broadband.
    A nice suburb could bring in new community broadband.
    A city can place new community broadband in for its business district.
    Let a city and state see what networks that are not paper insulated wireline can really do to bring in new digital products and services.
    Open your city and state up to internet innovation.

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