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Teenage Subway Aficionados Help With the Upkeep of Every One of New York City's 472 Subway Stations -- At Least on Wikipedia (nytimes.com)

The New York Times has a feature story about two incredible teenagers who work behind the scenes to improve all of the Wikipedia articles about the New York Subway system. An excerpt: Ryan Ng is a 19-year-old freshman at Baruch College in Manhattan. He studies finance, lives at home with his parents in Queens and is a member of the college's "League of Legends" video game club. But in the somewhat fanatical world of Wikipedia supercontributors, he is best known by his alias, Epicgenius. As Epicgenius, Mr. Ng has made over 180,000 edits to Wikipedia and created more than 17,000 pages for the site. Most of his work is in the service of his particular fixation: updating the articles associated with all 472 stations of the New York Subway system.

"Sometimes I edit before I do homework, which is not a good thing," Mr. Ng said. But he finds his hobby satisfying. "When I improve an article, I feel like I've accomplished something. I see my editing as more of a mission." Mr. Ng discovered Wikipedia editing when he was 13. He recalled wanting to collaborate on the page for "Gangnam Style," the hugely popular 2012 hit by the South Korean performer Psy. Shortly thereafter, Mr. Ng decided to specialize in public transit, which he considered a somewhat more useful pursuit. He knows his hobby can become obsessive because it's happened before.

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  1. GOD SAVE THE QUEENS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WORD!

  2. Hunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of his work is in the service of his particular fixation: updating the articles associated with all 472 stations of the New York Subway system.

    Fixation and strange hobby. Sounds like an aspie.

    1. Re:Hunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well he is 19 and still lives with his mommy and daddy.

    2. Re: Hunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure if you know what typical expenses are these days and what positions are available for 18-19 year olds but moving out on your own is no cake walk unless you want to forgo health insurance or live on the streets. The kid also lives in one of the highest cost of living cities in the world, NYC, which makes what little income he could make go even shorter.

    3. Re: Hunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >waah life is hard outside of mummys womb

      get a job

    4. Re: Hunch by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

      Rents used to be much cheaper in the boroughs, in Jersey, etc. But migration to the area has FAR outpaced new residential construction, and as a result rents have skyrocketed even in formerly undesirable areas like Flatbush, Bushwyck, even East NY. About the only way I could see to live near NYC as a middle-class family of 6 would be to save up about a million dollars (calling into question whether we're really middle-class at that point), buy a house in Staten Island, and plan on an hour or more total commute involving drive to SIRR, train to ferry, ferry to city, then subway or bus to workplace in (hopefully lower) Manhattan. And the taxes alone would kill us, but they're no longer that much better in Jersey or Long Island, nor would commutes from either location be without challenges.

  3. I used to be an obsessive editor. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then all my edits were reverted, so I became an obsessive vandal instead. Plus fuck 331dot and Cordless Larry for becoming admins this week.

    1. Re:I used to be an obsessive editor. by ProzacPatient · · Score: 1

      This is my experience too. I've never had a positive experience trying to contribute to a wiki no matter what I did because I apparently dared to step onto the turf of another editor's pet article where I apparently could never please them no matter how hard I tried to follow the rules to a T. I finally gave up on participating in any kind of wiki when another editor reverted my edits on Uncyclopedia where everything is supposed to be intentionally non-sensible and absurd but my edit apparently did not meet his personal definition of funny.

  4. Ng implies South-Southeast Asian. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So given his parents likely first or second generation upbringing being an aspie probably comes with the territory, based on individuals I knew through my college years with similiar names and ethnic backgrounds.

    Having said that, good for him, we need somebody to contribute to American academic pursuits, even ones sometimes seen as banal, like subways in New York. Personally I find this quite interest and hope to read up on these pages more when I have time. So long as he's being relatively impartial in his research and documentation of these stations it seems like a net benefit to society, especially for historical purposes if he can find publicly available photographs, maps, etc of the tunnel systems for when sections inevitably are replaced, fail, or remodeled, so that future generations will have a snapshot of the subway system of the current generation in the future. I only wish more had been documented about the earlier subway lines, and hope that some of the abandoned but still existing lines get excavated, photographed, and otherwise documented for future generations exploration.

    1. Re:Ng implies South-Southeast Asian. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I doubt it. They will all be voted "articles for deletion" on the grounds of "lack of notability".

    2. Re:Ng implies South-Southeast Asian. by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

      IMO notability should not be an issue. Many of NYC's top stations have ridership that rivals other entire systems. The Lexington Ave. line (4/5/6) alone has more ridership than any other entire rapid transit system in the U.S., or about 74 times more than the one in Cleveland, Ohio where I live. You would not be surprised by this if you'd ever waited for one during rush hour.

  5. I didn't get the headline by grungeman · · Score: 1

    Can someone please translate?

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    1. Re:I didn't get the headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's a couple of guys who spend most of their time on Wikipedia writing about subway stations. Apparently they're "incredible".

    2. Re:I didn't get the headline by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's a couple of guys who spend most of their time on Wikipedia writing about subway stations. Apparently they're "incredible".

      More like half crazy but it's obsessive people like this that makes Wikipedia have huge, detailed articles on an absurd number of things. I mean how much would you pay someone to write on the New York subway for an encyclopedia? Even online where printing cost is not an issue you'd probably pay someone a buck or two for a tiny subsection. Instead you have a guy who'll write hundreds of articles for free out of some sense of public service. Some other dude will be an astronomy nut and write articles on stars and so on for every event, time period, area, species and whatever. Of course the downside is that many of these will treat their area as their own fiefdom, but the good crazy mostly outweigh the bad crazy.

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    3. Re:I didn't get the headline by john+of+sparta · · Score: 1

      agree...KenPom and all that. let the obsessives obsesses.

    4. Re:I didn't get the headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're wrong, polishing is required maintenance for most guns if you plan on obtaining the firearms maximum lifespan. Otherwise they'll eventually rust, rendering them both ugly and useless!
                    In fact, polishing & other gun maintenance = part of the term "Well Regulated." Look it up if you don't believe me!

    5. Re:I didn't get the headline by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Now the presents a new question, should it be free or should there be a resource pool providing rewards for that kind of voluntary work. It is a good idea that it happens, should not an effort be made to promote it and provide some sort of reward for those who do it 'on spec' https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki..., for a job well done and the service it provides.

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    6. Re:I didn't get the headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like they don't have a life and still live with parents !

    7. Re:I didn't get the headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're totally wrong, all high and mighty.

      They're actually Epic Genius'

    8. Re:I didn't get the headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but is polishing your gun more useful than being incredible?

    9. Re:I didn't get the headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *whoosh*

    10. Re:I didn't get the headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking all those articles are getting abandoned once he gets laid...

  6. good shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Autism to the rescue!

    1. Re: good shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite rewarding. From the linked article:

      Their diligence paid off, and the âoeSecond Avenue Subwayâ article was selected by one of Wikipediaâ(TM)s impartial reviewers as a âoeGood Articleâ in 2016.

      Epic.

    2. Re: good shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      âoe â(TM) âoe â
      Hopefully Wiki isn't as fucked up as some other site that can't fix a fucking unicode problem.

  7. Subway Upkeep by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

    So, not actually mopping up hobo piss?

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  8. This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi, I’m(A) ____________, and I’m (B) _________________

            (B) Our greatest responsibility is to serve our ________________(region) communities. We are extremely proud of the quality, balanced journalism that ______________(station) produces.

            (A) But we’re concerned about the troubling trend of irresponsible, one sided news stories plaguing our country. The sharing of biased and false news has become all too common on social media.

            (B) More alarming, some media outlets publish these same fake stories stories that just aren’t true, without checking facts first.

            (A) Unfortunately, some members of the media use their platforms to push their own personal bias and agenda to control ‘exactly what people think’This is extremely dangerous to a democracy.

    1. Re:This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. by morethanapapercert · · Score: 0
      this is offtopic, and, a quote without a referent, leaving some Slashdotters in the dark. But it's important enough that I don't think it should get voted down.

      Sinclair Broadcast group is a huge player in the USA local TV station business. At present it owns over 25 stations across the country. Recently; every single station broadcast an editorial as part of their evening news show. They all used the exact same script. Every. Single. Station. Youtube has supercuts of this remarkable "coincidence" for those interested.

      This obviously orchestrated piece raises serious questions about editorial independence in the news departments of those stations. I don't consider myself Right wing or part of the "You are Fake News!" crowd by any means , I don't even live in the US. But This troubles me. Yes, there is fake news going on, especially at the popular blog level, there is shoddy journalism no doubt. But I think the biggest problem is the echo chamber effect. People tend to get their information from only one source, almost always a source that already caters to their beliefs and preconceptions. After the fact corrections by the source don't carry nearly the same weight as the original story and corrections from other sources backed up by facts get attacked as Fake News or an attack on the person themselves. Having big media groups so obviously pulling the strings of newscasters only makes it easier for people to cling to their chosen echo chambers.

      Our news sources must not only be fair, accurate and transparent, they must be SEEN to be such. This act by the Sinclair group shoots the entire US news industry in the foot. The less people feel they can trust traditional media sources, the more trust they'll put into overtly biased and hostile sources like The Daily Stormer.

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    2. Re: This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound concerned. BIGLY concerned.
      Enjoy your tarrifs from the chinks..

  9. somewhat disappointed.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    that this had nothing to do with sandwiches.

    1. Re:somewhat disappointed.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that you Jared?

  10. Donatello arises by john+of+sparta · · Score: 2

    as a Teenage Subway Aficionado

  11. Monday News Item by IonOtter · · Score: 0

    "In local news tonight, two teenagers are in jail, awaiting questioning by Department of Homeland Security officials. Ryan Ng and Shaul Picker, both of Queens, were found to be obsessively documenting sensitive information on the city's 472 subway stations on the popular website, Wikipedia. When asked why the teens were being kept in jail pending questioning, DHS officials said that they were taking the actions 'out of an abundance of caution.' Neither the teens parents, nor Wikipedia representatives, have made any comment."

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  12. Public transportation = waste of talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    They should take their obsessive editing and specialize in something useful like business or science. Become technical editors and make a good living. Public transportation is a dying industry, financed by stolen tax money, and soaked in literal piss.

    1. Re:Public transportation = waste of talent by Potor · · Score: 1

      Why can't someone happily be involved in not being practical?

    2. Re:Public transportation = waste of talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why can't someone happily be involved in not being practical?

      Because then they aren't slaves to the Koch brother's military industrial complex and might start thinking for themselves? Can't have that.

    3. Re: Public transportation = waste of talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Koch brothers are libertarians, not neoconservatives or neo-liberals. You may accuse the Koch brothers of a number of things, but military industrial complex is not one of them. You have just demonstrated your incompetence in this subject.

    4. Re: Public transportation = waste of talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha ha ha!

      You probably believe that.

  13. An actual "thing"... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Informative

    Many would not think so, but the NYC subway system (and the London tubes as well. Not to mention the Moscow subway) has a big following that includes lots of YouTube videos and actual established tours. Check out: https://www.youtube.com/result...

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    1. Re:An actual "thing"... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A few weeks ago I was in a pub and a guy at the bar was involved in a talk to the next guy.

      Turned out he was retired and his hobby was "subway", "metro" or "tram" explorations. He was in my town to basically ride every city train from end station to end station and and watching the city/landscape.

      I actually considered something similar in Paris, I was so often there, but basically only know 0.5% of the city.

      But for that guy it was a typical holiday. He informs himself about the town and then books a hotel an then only rides around in trains ... kinda absurd.

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  14. Just the facts by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Ryan Ng is a 19-year-old freshman at Baruch College in Manhattan. He studies finance, lives at home with his parents in Queens and is a member of the college's "League of Legends" video game club.

    And has a fixation on Wikipedia subway articles...

    The is certainly one thing we can say for sure: Young Mr. Ng is not getting laid.

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    1. Re:Just the facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The is certainly one thing we can say for sure: Young Mr. Ng is not getting laid.

      Unsurprisingly...
      http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-facts-that-prove-sex-isnt-as-important-as-you-think/

      CYA

    2. Re:Just the facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ryan Ng is a 19-year-old freshman at Baruch College in Manhattan. He studies finance, lives at home with his parents in Queens and is a member of the college's "League of Legends" video game club.

      And has a fixation on Wikipedia subway articles...

      The is certainly one thing we can say for sure: Young Mr. Ng is not getting laid.

      Geoff Marshall has a bit of a fascination with with the rail system(s) in Britain, and he seems to have healthy relationship with his partner (fiancee?). They spent a few months visiting all 2,563 railway stations in Great Britain last year:

      * http://allthestations.co.uk

    3. Re:Just the facts by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The is certainly one thing we can say for sure: Young Mr. Ng is not getting laid.
      I would not be so certain about that :D However he is not looking like an athlet.

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    4. Re: Just the facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why are you thinking of his covered parts?

  15. 19 and lives at home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't need to be said. All millienial assholes live at home. Fucking hell my own kids didn't move out until they were 25+. It sucked.

    1. Re: 19 and lives at home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As your kids approach their 30's it did become an issue. I mean, daddy is going to need a reach-around at least. When they continue to suck away your resources then she better be sucking more than that. What is it with these pricks.

  16. Is editing Wikipedia really work? by magarity · · Score: 1

    but as a conservative Jew, he can’t edit on Shabbat

    Has he asked his rabbi about this? It hardly qualifies as 'work' if you ask me.

    1. Re:Is editing Wikipedia really work? by nonBORG · · Score: 0

      I am guessing just knowing he enjoys this and is good at it may help him find an actual job where he gets paid for doing something he enjoys. But I would have called it a hobby that could turn into a career rather than work.

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  17. To bad rhe MTA doesn't feel the same way by csmithers · · Score: 2

    IMHO, the MTA could care less about how the subway runs. They are only concerned with 20 and out (twenty years service, then pension). It's a real problem here..

  18. Subway Aficionados by nateman1352 · · Score: 1

    It is bad that the first thing I thought of while reading the headline was teenagers skipping out of their first class after lunch to go eat at Subway the restaurant?

  19. I don't think so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A teenager wrote 13,000 Wikipedia pages? No... just no.

  20. hobby can become obsessive ... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    One reason why I don't edit anymore.

    I used to maintain the german "Scrum" site (some morons put complete bullshit there), but I'm no longer doing that, mainly because I lost my password. And Wikipedia has a broken password recovery page since 5 or 6 years, no one is fixing it ... funny somehow, but actually sad.

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