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Teenage Subway Aficionados Help With the Upkeep of Every One of New York City's 472 Subway Stations -- At Least on Wikipedia (nytimes.com)

The New York Times has a feature story about two incredible teenagers who work behind the scenes to improve all of the Wikipedia articles about the New York Subway system. An excerpt: Ryan Ng is a 19-year-old freshman at Baruch College in Manhattan. He studies finance, lives at home with his parents in Queens and is a member of the college's "League of Legends" video game club. But in the somewhat fanatical world of Wikipedia supercontributors, he is best known by his alias, Epicgenius. As Epicgenius, Mr. Ng has made over 180,000 edits to Wikipedia and created more than 17,000 pages for the site. Most of his work is in the service of his particular fixation: updating the articles associated with all 472 stations of the New York Subway system.

"Sometimes I edit before I do homework, which is not a good thing," Mr. Ng said. But he finds his hobby satisfying. "When I improve an article, I feel like I've accomplished something. I see my editing as more of a mission." Mr. Ng discovered Wikipedia editing when he was 13. He recalled wanting to collaborate on the page for "Gangnam Style," the hugely popular 2012 hit by the South Korean performer Psy. Shortly thereafter, Mr. Ng decided to specialize in public transit, which he considered a somewhat more useful pursuit. He knows his hobby can become obsessive because it's happened before.

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  1. Ng implies South-Southeast Asian. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So given his parents likely first or second generation upbringing being an aspie probably comes with the territory, based on individuals I knew through my college years with similiar names and ethnic backgrounds.

    Having said that, good for him, we need somebody to contribute to American academic pursuits, even ones sometimes seen as banal, like subways in New York. Personally I find this quite interest and hope to read up on these pages more when I have time. So long as he's being relatively impartial in his research and documentation of these stations it seems like a net benefit to society, especially for historical purposes if he can find publicly available photographs, maps, etc of the tunnel systems for when sections inevitably are replaced, fail, or remodeled, so that future generations will have a snapshot of the subway system of the current generation in the future. I only wish more had been documented about the earlier subway lines, and hope that some of the abandoned but still existing lines get excavated, photographed, and otherwise documented for future generations exploration.

    1. Re:Ng implies South-Southeast Asian. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I doubt it. They will all be voted "articles for deletion" on the grounds of "lack of notability".

    2. Re:Ng implies South-Southeast Asian. by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

      IMO notability should not be an issue. Many of NYC's top stations have ridership that rivals other entire systems. The Lexington Ave. line (4/5/6) alone has more ridership than any other entire rapid transit system in the U.S., or about 74 times more than the one in Cleveland, Ohio where I live. You would not be surprised by this if you'd ever waited for one during rush hour.

  2. I didn't get the headline by grungeman · · Score: 1

    Can someone please translate?

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    1. Re:I didn't get the headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's a couple of guys who spend most of their time on Wikipedia writing about subway stations. Apparently they're "incredible".

    2. Re:I didn't get the headline by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's a couple of guys who spend most of their time on Wikipedia writing about subway stations. Apparently they're "incredible".

      More like half crazy but it's obsessive people like this that makes Wikipedia have huge, detailed articles on an absurd number of things. I mean how much would you pay someone to write on the New York subway for an encyclopedia? Even online where printing cost is not an issue you'd probably pay someone a buck or two for a tiny subsection. Instead you have a guy who'll write hundreds of articles for free out of some sense of public service. Some other dude will be an astronomy nut and write articles on stars and so on for every event, time period, area, species and whatever. Of course the downside is that many of these will treat their area as their own fiefdom, but the good crazy mostly outweigh the bad crazy.

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    3. Re:I didn't get the headline by john+of+sparta · · Score: 1

      agree...KenPom and all that. let the obsessives obsesses.

    4. Re:I didn't get the headline by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Now the presents a new question, should it be free or should there be a resource pool providing rewards for that kind of voluntary work. It is a good idea that it happens, should not an effort be made to promote it and provide some sort of reward for those who do it 'on spec' https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki..., for a job well done and the service it provides.

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  3. Subway Upkeep by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

    So, not actually mopping up hobo piss?

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  4. somewhat disappointed.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    that this had nothing to do with sandwiches.

  5. Donatello arises by john+of+sparta · · Score: 2

    as a Teenage Subway Aficionado

  6. An actual "thing"... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Informative

    Many would not think so, but the NYC subway system (and the London tubes as well. Not to mention the Moscow subway) has a big following that includes lots of YouTube videos and actual established tours. Check out: https://www.youtube.com/result...

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    1. Re:An actual "thing"... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A few weeks ago I was in a pub and a guy at the bar was involved in a talk to the next guy.

      Turned out he was retired and his hobby was "subway", "metro" or "tram" explorations. He was in my town to basically ride every city train from end station to end station and and watching the city/landscape.

      I actually considered something similar in Paris, I was so often there, but basically only know 0.5% of the city.

      But for that guy it was a typical holiday. He informs himself about the town and then books a hotel an then only rides around in trains ... kinda absurd.

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  7. Just the facts by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Ryan Ng is a 19-year-old freshman at Baruch College in Manhattan. He studies finance, lives at home with his parents in Queens and is a member of the college's "League of Legends" video game club.

    And has a fixation on Wikipedia subway articles...

    The is certainly one thing we can say for sure: Young Mr. Ng is not getting laid.

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    1. Re:Just the facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ryan Ng is a 19-year-old freshman at Baruch College in Manhattan. He studies finance, lives at home with his parents in Queens and is a member of the college's "League of Legends" video game club.

      And has a fixation on Wikipedia subway articles...

      The is certainly one thing we can say for sure: Young Mr. Ng is not getting laid.

      Geoff Marshall has a bit of a fascination with with the rail system(s) in Britain, and he seems to have healthy relationship with his partner (fiancee?). They spent a few months visiting all 2,563 railway stations in Great Britain last year:

      * http://allthestations.co.uk

    2. Re:Just the facts by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The is certainly one thing we can say for sure: Young Mr. Ng is not getting laid.
      I would not be so certain about that :D However he is not looking like an athlet.

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  8. Re:Public transportation = waste of talent by Potor · · Score: 1

    Why can't someone happily be involved in not being practical?

  9. Is editing Wikipedia really work? by magarity · · Score: 1

    but as a conservative Jew, he can’t edit on Shabbat

    Has he asked his rabbi about this? It hardly qualifies as 'work' if you ask me.

  10. To bad rhe MTA doesn't feel the same way by csmithers · · Score: 2

    IMHO, the MTA could care less about how the subway runs. They are only concerned with 20 and out (twenty years service, then pension). It's a real problem here..

  11. Subway Aficionados by nateman1352 · · Score: 1

    It is bad that the first thing I thought of while reading the headline was teenagers skipping out of their first class after lunch to go eat at Subway the restaurant?

  12. hobby can become obsessive ... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    One reason why I don't edit anymore.

    I used to maintain the german "Scrum" site (some morons put complete bullshit there), but I'm no longer doing that, mainly because I lost my password. And Wikipedia has a broken password recovery page since 5 or 6 years, no one is fixing it ... funny somehow, but actually sad.

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  13. Re:I used to be an obsessive editor. by ProzacPatient · · Score: 1

    This is my experience too. I've never had a positive experience trying to contribute to a wiki no matter what I did because I apparently dared to step onto the turf of another editor's pet article where I apparently could never please them no matter how hard I tried to follow the rules to a T. I finally gave up on participating in any kind of wiki when another editor reverted my edits on Uncyclopedia where everything is supposed to be intentionally non-sensible and absurd but my edit apparently did not meet his personal definition of funny.

  14. Re: Hunch by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

    Rents used to be much cheaper in the boroughs, in Jersey, etc. But migration to the area has FAR outpaced new residential construction, and as a result rents have skyrocketed even in formerly undesirable areas like Flatbush, Bushwyck, even East NY. About the only way I could see to live near NYC as a middle-class family of 6 would be to save up about a million dollars (calling into question whether we're really middle-class at that point), buy a house in Staten Island, and plan on an hour or more total commute involving drive to SIRR, train to ferry, ferry to city, then subway or bus to workplace in (hopefully lower) Manhattan. And the taxes alone would kill us, but they're no longer that much better in Jersey or Long Island, nor would commutes from either location be without challenges.