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CenturyLink Fights Billing-Fraud Lawsuit By Claiming That It Has No Customers (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: CenturyLink is trying to force customers into arbitration in order to avoid a class-action lawsuit from subscribers who say they've been charged for services they didn't order. To do so, CenturyLink has come up with a surprising argument -- the company says it doesn't have any customers. While the customers sued CenturyLink itself, the company says the customers weren't actually customers of CenturyLink. Instead, CenturyLink says they were customers of 10 subsidiaries spread through the country. CenturyLink basically doesn't exist as a service provider -- according to a brief CenturyLink filed Monday.

"That sole defendant, CenturyLink, Inc., is a parent holding company that has no customers, provides no services, and engaged in none of the acts or transactions about which Plaintiffs complain," CenturyLink wrote. "There is no valid basis for Defendant to be a party in this Proceeding: Plaintiffs contracted with the Operating Companies to purchase, use, and pay for the services at issue, not with CenturyLink, Inc." CenturyLink says those operating companies should be able to intervene in the case and "enforce class-action waivers," which would force the customers to pursue their claims via arbitration instead of in a class-action lawsuit. By suing CenturyLink instead of the subsidiaries, "it may be that Plaintiffs are hoping to avoid the arbitration and class-action waiver provisions," CenturyLink wrote.

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  1. Corporations are people too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In this case, all these corporations are the same person using different alibis. With human-like rights come human-like responsibilities.

    1. Re:Corporations are people too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This, exactly this, is why Move to Amend is so important.

      If we were at war, who in the corporation gets drafted?
      If someone is killed by a corporate product, who goes to jail for murder?
      If everyone's retirement funds go up in smoke, who pays them back?

      You cannot have the rights of being a person WITHOUT the responsibilities of being a person.
      I've incorporated myself as an LLC, and look forward to my spending spree before filing for reorg under chapter 11 multiple times.

    2. Re:Corporations are people too! by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Guess how many "unsafe" products would be released? Zero

      You are way to idealistic. I'm developing a product. If it is safe (99%) I'll make millions, otherwise (1%) it will kill people. It isn't easy to determine which case holds. So I have a choice: 99% chance of becoming a multimillionaire along with 1% chance of a prison sentence, or I can just drop it (and all the funds I've put in to development up to this point.) If I'm a psychopath, I'll leap at this chance. If I'm not, I'll likely fool myself into believing the 1% chance is really zero, and go for it.

      History abounds with cases where people have done unsafe things, even when it was their own lives at stake, when pressured by bosses or prospects of financial bounty or ruin.

      What you suggest might well help, but it won't magic away unsafe products.

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  2. Limited Liability Corporations can do this. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is the insidious things of "corporations are people" crowd. Back in 1820s when Limited Liability Corporation idea was proposed it met with severe resistance because, the question of "who will be criminally responsible for the criminal acts of a corporation?" was not answered. Remember, those days they had debtors prisons and the defaulters went to jail! They wanted owners of corporations to go to jail if they fail to repay their debts.

    Now nearly 200 years later, the "corporations are people" crowd has steadily usurped the rights and liberties meant for real people in flesh and blood to these corporations. No criminal liability. Assets flow one way, Liabilities flow the other way, so no civil liability either. Perverse arguments like "spending money = speeach" and "corporations can have religious belief" has made mockery of our society.

    We can't clone ourselves, and transfer liabilities to the clone and keep assets with us. We can not clone ourselves, transfer the salary earned by the clone to us, call it "carried interest" and pay lower taxes. But corporations can do all these and more.

    Unless we limits the rights of the corporations commensurate with the liabilities they carry, we are doomed.

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  3. They'll get away with it too by bazmail · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Its weird how Americans really get fucked when it comes to internet service or mobile data/cell service. Whats going on?

    1. Re:They'll get away with it too by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Looks like voting wasn't enough. Are you running yet?

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  4. A simple improvement. by Kaenneth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Corporations should not be allowed to own other corporations.

    One layer of obfuscation and liability protection is sufficient for legitimate businesses.

  5. Re:Time for a Judge with a Daedric Gavel by jwhyche · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I agree that it is asinine, prison time is a bit over the top.

    No it isn't. Time and time again asshats like this use the "corporate card" to shield themselves from shit like this. They get away with all kinds of shit and laugh while hiding behind corporate laws and lawyers. It's more than time we stripped them of assets and send their ass to prison.

    We are more than happy to lock up some kid that robs a liquor store for $50 bucks for 20 years. But IF we send one of these fuckers to prison its for 6 months even though they stole millions. Bull fuckign shit. lock them up and let them rot.

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  6. Re:Time for a Judge with a Daedric Gavel by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I agree that it is asinine, prison time is a bit over the top.

    Why is prison time over the top?
    Billing people for services they never subscribed to is FRAUD...
    If an individual did this, they would be prosecuted and sentenced to jail time. Why should this be any different if a corporation does it?

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