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The Supreme Court Fight Over Microsoft's Foreign Servers Is Over (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: The much-anticipated Supreme Court case U.S. v. Microsoft -- which could have decided the extent of American jurisdiction over foreign servers -- is now, for all intents and purposes, dead. On March 30th, the Department of Justice moved to drop the lawsuit as moot, and today, Microsoft filed to agree with the motion. While the Supreme Court has yet to officially drop the case, it's a foregone conclusion that they will. Both the government and Microsoft agree that the newly passed CLOUD Act renders the lawsuit meaningless. In U.S. v. Microsoft, federal law enforcement clashed with Microsoft over the validity of a Stored Communications Act warrant for data stored on a server in Dublin. The CLOUD Act creates clear new procedures for procuring legal orders for data in these kinds of cross-border situations. In last week's motion to vacate, DOJ disclosed that it had procured a new warrant under the CLOUD Act.

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  1. Repeal by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is this another invasive anti-privacy act, or does this one have all the correct and proper controls to protect the American people?

    1. Re:Repeal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      or does this one have all the correct and proper controls to protect the American people?

      +5 funny.

    2. Re:Repeal by johanw · · Score: 2

      Maybe it gives some guarantees to US citizens. As non-US citizen however it would be foolish to store anything sensitive or confidential on US cloud services (even before this law).

    3. Re:Repeal by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Erh... my country's privacy laws might want to have a word with your faith that your laws apply anywhere but your country.

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  2. Not really by H3lldr0p · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The CLOUD Act was snuck into a must pass omnibus budget bill and not left on its own legs to be debated. But the biggest issue is that it makes it a international diplomatic affair to deal with what can best be described as a local law enforcement issue.

    Now, I don't know about you, but I would rather my government concentrate on the bigger issues when doing international diplomacy and not having to constantly ring up someone in the ambassador chain of command in order to get a sign-off on this sort of thing. Analogy time: It's one thing to ask to borrow a cup of sugar or an egg from time to time of your neighbor. You know you're going to do it for them and probably have in the past. It's another thing to ask for 10 grams of sugar every hour. The first isn't a big deal, the latter can really put a strain on your relationship with them. To the point that they might tell you to go away.

    And unless the point was to otherwise accelerate the international isolation of the US, then this was a poorly written piece whose authors knew it. Which is why it got attached as an amendment to a must-pass piece of legislation.

    1. Re:Not really by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And that's why the USA has fucked-up laws and cannot be called a democracy.

      Every country has some fucked up laws. It's merely a question of degree.

      If the US is not a democracy then no country is a democracy. (And a republic is just a form of representative democracy so spare us that meme) There is nothing about being a democracy that prevents bad decision or poorly designed legislative procedures.

    2. Re:Not really by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the US is not a democracy then no country is a democracy.

      That is a load of shit. There are plenty functioning democracies in the world that haven't devolved into a 2 party system, both beheld by corporate interests, and both forcing through unpopular legislation by riding on critical bills of supply.

      You're right the title of democracy doesn't prevent something being bad, but the way the USA is passing bills and the way the election process works are two things that are really stretching the definition.

  3. Absolutely Fabulous by EndlessNameless · · Score: 5, Informative

    So, we have two losers and one winner here:

    - American privacy rights are trampled, yet again
    - American cloud providers lose access to EU markets since we cannot provide the privacy protections they require

    + American law enforcement and surveillance agencies get their Christmas wish at last

    My vote this November is going to whoever promises to repeal this, regardless of the D/R/I after their name.

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    1. Re:Absolutely Fabulous by sjbe · · Score: 2

      My vote this November is going to whoever promises to repeal this, regardless of the D/R/I after their name.

      Really? Nothing else is of consequence to you?

    2. Re:Absolutely Fabulous by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Informative

      Considering that they don't really differ on anything else, you can as well make that the issue.

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  4. Re:create all the USA laws you like by Teun · · Score: 4, Informative

    As long as Google or (fill in corporation) wants to do business in the EU they will have to comply with the local laws.
    EU civilians have legal enshrined privacy rights, yes that might be shocking to US citizens and corporations, deal with it.

    The by far best solution for corporations and citizens in the EU is to keep their data in Europe, it avoids any misunderstandings about jurisdiction.

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  5. Re:Now let's see what excuses they'll come up with by Teun · · Score: 3, Informative

    Indeed, the EU has to be much stricter implementing their privacy rules, they are fundamentally incompatible with keeping data offshore in the US.

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    "The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."