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Center of the Milky Way Has Thousands of Black Holes, Study Shows (npr.org)

New submitter xonen shares a report from NPR: For decades, scientists have thought that black holes should sink to the center of galaxies and accumulate there. But scientists had no proof that these exotic objects had actually gathered together in the center of the Milky Way. Isolated black holes are almost impossible to detect, but black holes that have a companion -- an orbiting star -- interact with that star in ways that allow the pair to be spotted by telltale X-ray emissions. The team searched for those signals in a region stretching about three light-years out from our galaxy's central supermassive black hole. What they found there: a dozen black holes paired up with stars. Finding so many in such a small region is significant, because until now scientists have found evidence of only about five dozen black holes throughout the entire galaxy. What they've found should help theorists make better predictions about how many cosmic smashups might occur and generate detectable gravitational waves. The study has been published in the journal Nature.

64 comments

  1. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    That sucks.

    1. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For decades, scientists have thought that black holes should sink to the center of galaxies and accumulate there.

      When/where was this ever suggested?

    2. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For decades scientists have said we are missing medium sized black holes, not that we knew where they all were.

  2. Trump's prison cell has only one black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    And it's the best hole

    1. Re:Trump's prison cell has only one black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't you get bored thinking about Trump all day? I mean if an article like this makes you think about Trump maybe you should seek help or try some better drugs or take a walk or something.

    2. Re: Trump's prison cell has only one black hole by cyber-vandal · · Score: 0

      Why does a supposed leftist use a homophobic slur?

    3. Re: Trump's prison cell has only one black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because he is mostly just a confused idiot.

    4. Re: Trump's prison cell has only one black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect you are a Queenslander. That explains a lot.

    5. Re:Trump's prison cell has only one black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, he must be the biggest loser in the world to be able to post his political bullshit multiple times in every single article. I'm guessing he's about 40 years old, doesn't have a job and still lives with his mommy.

    6. Re:Trump's prison cell has only one black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the USA, the most influential country

      That's a weird way of spelling "China".

    7. Re:Trump's prison cell has only one black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Seriously, he must be the biggest loser in the world

      Hillary is the biggest loser. This guy is just a crybaby.

    8. Re: Trump's prison cell has only one black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump is a very out traitor. Focus on that, faggot.

    9. Re: Trump's prison cell has only one black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But see, unlike you leftist progressive fucks, we have guns. Youâ(TM)re why there is a second amendment.

    10. Re: Trump's prison cell has only one black hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have guns too, child.

      More, we know how to use them.

      Sad.

  3. Perhaps Implications for Dark Matter Too by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is a very interesting result since it may have implications for Dark Matter. There is a gamma ray 'haze' around the central core of the galaxy that has caused some interest because without what used to be thought of as an unfeasibly large number of pulsars it would be impossible to produce from known astrophysical and so the thought was that it could be due to Dark Matter annihilations. However, if there is a far higher population of BHs than originally thought presumably this also means there should be a lot more pulsars and, if so, then this haze could be just from all these pulsars.

    1. Re:Perhaps Implications for Dark Matter Too by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Current observations are leaning that way. As they refined the data, it appears lumpy, not smooth. As if made by many point sources. Looks like large numbers of neutron stars, and not dark matter.

    2. Re:Perhaps Implications for Dark Matter Too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As they refined the data, it appears lumpy, not smooth. As if made by many point sources. Looks like large numbers of neutron stars, and not dark matter.

      Exactly! Everyone knows that dark matter is nice and smooth... right?

    3. Re:Perhaps Implications for Dark Matter Too by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

      Since it doesn't interact with anything except by gravity, it doesn't really have a way to clump up.

    4. Re: Perhaps Implications for Dark Matter Too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dark matter *cannot* be primarily neutron stars. It cannot be baryonic in nature, period. Big Bang nucleosynthesis puts hard, quantitative limits on it.

    5. Re: Perhaps Implications for Dark Matter Too by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Didn't say dark matter was neutron stars. I said that evidence points to neutron stars being the source for excess gamma rays coming from the galactic nucleus.

    6. Re:Perhaps Implications for Dark Matter Too by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Sorry, unless you are proposing that these were primordial black holes that doesn't work, because it would throw off the Lithium balance detected in cosmic dust clouds.

      Dark matter has to either be non-baryonic, or it has to have removed itself from interactions before the first stars lit up. (I'm not sure of the details here...it could be that it needs to remove itself before symmetry breaking. Back when I was reading about this primordial black holes weren't believed in [and I'm not sure they are now] so the explanations really skimmed over this lightly, and anyway that was multiple decades ago.)

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    7. Re: Perhaps Implications for Dark Matter Too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dark matter? Isnâ(TM)t that what we called the clusterfuck of an Obama administration?

    8. Re:Perhaps Implications for Dark Matter Too by mcswell · · Score: 1

      Enlighten me...or endarken me. IIUC, the mass of the galaxy can be inferred in two ways: from the number (and mass) of the visible stars it contains, and from the speed with which stars in galaxies orbit the center of the galaxy. The two numbers are an order of magnitude different, and the existence of dark matter is an inference from this difference. But if black holes were much more common in galaxies than we think, could they be the entire explanation for the discrepancy?

    9. Re:Perhaps Implications for Dark Matter Too by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      Sorry - I clearly not did explain myself well enough. The implication is that if there is a large population of pulsars then the galactic, gamma ray haze, which some are claiming is evidence of Dark Matter annihilating, could instead be explained by a very large number of pulsars in the galactic centre. The reason that pulsars have typically been excluded as an explanation is that you would need so many but the evidence here seems to suggest that there might actually be that many.

      While primordial BHs as a source of Dark Matter is certainly possible we'll need to see what rate of collisions LIGO detects when in comes online again with the new upgrades before we know whether this really is the nature of DM.

  4. Its true then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    This galaxy really sucks!

    1. Re:Its true then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait until she goes from Suck to Blow!

    2. Re:Its true then by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Funny, I have the same combination on my luggage.

  5. Hooray, extreme mass ratio inspirals! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's nice to confirm that these exist, because that means that we'll get to listen to extreme mass ratio inspirals as they fall into the central supermassive black hole. It produces a strong gravitational signal that's audible for a very long time, allowing high-precision tests of general relativity.

  6. A word of warning. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Funny

    You know, I told my precious star to stop hanging out with those no good singularity but did she listen? NOOOooo. She said, "he's just in my orbit" but then was consumed by him talking about "singularity this" and "singularity that" all the time. Before you know it you walk in on her are kissing that beatnik's event horizon, she goes critical and now is just like that jerk! That's when she starts merging with him in public for everyone to see! I know she has always had a warped perspective of time and space but this is on a whole new level!

    Parents, you've been warned! ;)

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    1. Re: A word of warning. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There now, that's nothing to go nova over.

  7. Finally a story... by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    ...that carries weight.

  8. Facebook wants to sell blackholes personal data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zuck's first thought on learning this. I guarantee it.

  9. Can you draw a black-hole? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The black holes don't exist.

    All this is a chinese tale.

  10. Will BH suck in dark matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Black Holes supposedly suck in everything --- will it drag the dark matter in, as well?

    1. Re:Will BH suck in dark matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This isn't really true. Black holes do not suck things in. The natural behavior of an object interacting with a black hole is to form a stable orbit around it, just as it would around a star. To actually fall in, even on purpose, would take an enormous delta-v.

      The only way anything falls in is:
      1. If it's on a direct collision course
      2. If it enters an accretion disc, that has some sort of viscosity
      3. If it gets close enough that the gravity waves radiated from the pair are significant

    2. Re: Will BH suck in dark matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this +5? A BH most certainly does "suck in" a lot of matter. And orbits aren't default stable configurations.

    3. Re: Will BH suck in dark matter by Agripa · · Score: 2

      Why is this +5? A BH most certainly does "suck in" a lot of matter. And orbits aren't default stable configurations.

      Object which enter the system with the black hole are on a hyperbolic orbit and will leave with the same hyperbolic orbit unless they interact in such a way as to change their orbit.

  11. Steve Bannon here, from Breitbart News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    To remind you that the Earth is only 6000 years old.

    Also it's flat. Every day the Sun God Ra rides across the sky in his chariot.

    This notion you have that the universe is 14B years old and that there are black holes at the centers of galaxies is a nice story.

    But it's just a story.

    Oops. I'm late. Time to go take my meds.

  12. Very Yellow Submarine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Sea of Holes.

    Excellent! And actually not very surprising. It explains why our galaxy rotates and just not get sucked into a singularity.

    Cool

  13. Similar Observation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Center of the Milky Way has thousands of black holes?

    So does Chicago!

  14. Galaxy center has black holes? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    Of course! That's where we keep them!

  15. Black holes matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Black holes matter - so does non dark matter

  16. How it works (possibly) by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was having troubles seeing how this could work. Unless you are very close indeed, a 5 solar mass black hole interacts with other stars in exactly the same way as a 5 solar mass star, as the only force in action is gravity. So how can these stellar mass black holes gather near the galactic core?

    The first sentence of the paper is: "The existence of a ‘density cusp’—a localized increase in number—of stellar-mass black holes near a supermassive black hole is a fundamental prediction of galactic stellar dynamics".

    I looked up the reference for this (Bahcall and Wolf, http://adsabs.harvard.edu/doi/...). It is late at night and decades since I studied stuff like this, so mostly I'm going on that paper's abstract plus a bit of background knowledge.

    The important assumption of Bahcall and Wolf is that the stars are much less massive than the small black holes (SBH), which are much less massive than the galactic black hole (GBH). (My error was in not considering this.) Now when you have a mixture of stars and SBHs near the GBH, they are zipping around and sometimes have close encounters where they gravitationally interact. These interactions on average will shift kinetic energy from the higher energy object to the lower energy object. Due to the mass difference, this means in a SBH/star interaction, the SBH will (more often than not) transfer energy to the star, so it will slow and fall deeper into the gravitational well of the GBH.

    A good analogy is a gas with heavy and light molecules. The heavy molecules will move more slowly and at the bottom of the container the gas will be richer in heavy molecules compared to at the top of the container.

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    1. Re: How it works (possibly) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a good analogy. The molecules in the container are not in orbit. Nothing keeps them at any particular height. Furthermore, why didn't the gas giants collect in the inner solar system when it was forming, and there were lots of collisions?

  17. Shouldn't they suck each others? by Eloking · · Score: 1

    I know their orbit must be stable, but I'm wondering why it stay that stable.

    Couldn't one of the black hole suck something big one time, gain a lot of gravity pull of collapse the whole thing?

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    1. Re:Shouldn't they suck each others? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Black holes don't suck things in, any more than a star does. Stable orbits are not the special case.

    2. Re:Shouldn't they suck each others? by meglon · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:Shouldn't they suck each others? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Stable is a relative term. It depends on how long a period of time you are considering. And near depends on what scale you are using also.

      If Einstein is correct, their orbits cannot be stable in the long term, but they may well be stable enough to last until the Milky Way merges with Andromeda.

      This is because "near" is quite relative. Here it probably means within a few hundred light years. I suppose they might be as closely packed as within a closed globular cluster, in which case they'd average only a couple of light years apart. But stars are small compared to that distance, and space is almost without friction, so while they might alter each others orbit, they'd be highly unlikely to collide, and it would take a triple interaction for two to end up orbiting each other. Additionally, I wouldn't even bet that they were all, or mainly, in the plane of the galaxy. The core is a lot thicker than the arms. Which gives them even more space to move around in.

      OTOH, each one is likely to have it's own small accretion disk, so they should be visible, at least occasionally. Perhaps occasionally quite luminous. But expect even the smallest ones to be more massive than the sun, so a planet running into it wouldn't change its orbit noticeably.

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  18. Cant trust this observation by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    The small black hole is very close to a super massive black hole that bends everything including light. So the radiation from the small black hole will take all sorts of weird twists and turns and whatever escapes from the gravitational well of the super massive black hole will be at a strange angle. On the receiving end we see many apparent black holes, how many are real, how many are ghost images?

    I have looked through glass crystals and through small diamonds. It will show many dozen windows, but I know there is only one real window in that room, and all but one of them are ghosts created by the facets of the crystals or the diamond.

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    1. Re:Cant trust this observation by mcswell · · Score: 1

      IIUC, we don't *see* black holes, we infer their presence. Which I assume is not affected by ghost imaging.

  19. Re:Gotta love the sci-fi by meglon · · Score: 2

    The reason "science" is losing it's credibility is really stupid people, who don't understand "science," and who prefer to be intentionally stupid and not learn, keep making posts like yours. Or rather, it's why "science" is losing credibility with really stupid people.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  20. My understanding is it should be more by PmanAce · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't it be more? What is the percentage of stars that produce a black hole at their deaths? Shouldn't our galaxy have thousands and thousands (or more) out of billions of star deaths?

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    1. Re:My understanding is it should be more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The vast majority of stars lack the mass and thus will not collapse into black holes or even neutron stars, but rather, end their lives as white dwarfs.

  21. Re: Gotta love the sci-fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vaccines cause autism, sterility, and priapism! Huzzah! Baginza!

  22. Duh..Nougat has holes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And what is nougat anyway?