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Twitter Bans 270,000 Accounts For 'Promoting Terrorism' (theguardian.com)

According to Twitter's latest transparency report, the social media company removed more than 270,000 accounts around the world for promoting terrorism in the second half of 2017. The number of accounts permanently suspended for sharing what the firm called extremist content between July and December represents a drop for the second period in a row. The Guardian reports: The social network puts this down to "years of hard work making our site an undesirable place for those seeking to promote terrorism." Nick Pickles, Twitter UK's head of public policy, said: "The overwhelming majority of these accounts were detected by our own technology, with just 0.2% of the accounts we suspended in 2017 being flagged by the police." Almost 75% of accounts were suspended before they sent their first tweet, according to the report, and 93% were discovered by tools that Twitter engineers had built. Twitter is understood to also use a combination of US and EU lists of terrorist organizations as well as research from academics and experts to identify terrorists on its network. The number of reports of abusive behavior submitted by government representatives also dropped amid a marked change in the type of abusive behavior reported. Two-thirds of the 10,000 reports concerned violated rules over impersonation, with only 16% of the reports for harassment and 12% for hateful conduct. Harassment and hateful conduct each accounted for a third of reported accounts in the first half of 2017. Only a quarter of reports of abusive behavior submitted by government representatives were acted upon by Twitter, compared with 98% of reports relating to the "promotion of terrorism."

95 comments

  1. Useful??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this effective, or is it a useless game of whack-a-mole?

    1. Re:Useful??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And are all of the accounts actually promoting terrorism, or just shit that Twitter disagrees with?

    2. Re:Useful??? by tsqr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And are all of the accounts actually promoting terrorism, or just shit that Twitter disagrees with?

      From TFS:Almost 75% of accounts were suspended before they sent their first tweet

    3. Re:Useful??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you're Hindu, you'll have to excuse the rudeness of some Slashdot posters who are racist against Hindus.

    4. Re:Useful??? by Falos · · Score: 1

      Effective at the stated goal, or the real one?

      Former: who cares
      Latter: Advertising partners confirm their benefactors have been mildly placated

    5. Re:Useful??? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      From TFS:Almost 75% of accounts were suspended before they sent their first tweet

      How can the account be guilty of promoting terrorism without having sent any tweets? Was this just going off them "liking" other tweets, from accounts that were shut down for actual infractions, or was any account named "DownWithAmerica" targeted?

    6. Re: Useful??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean the very same conservative Republicans who have spent the last 30+ years demonizing Democrats and mounting a concerted effort to turn the term 'liberal' into a pejorative?

      The very same conservative Republicans who insist, nay, demand that the United States is a "Christian" nation, and it should be lead as such?

      Those conservative Republicans?

    7. Re: Useful??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watch lists.

    8. Re: Useful??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hinduism isn't a race.

    9. Re:Useful??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they suspend enough accounts it might roll over.

    10. Re: Useful??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      NOTE: Feel free to mod me down since I'm an evil white Christian Conservative male, married to a real woman for 13 years and 5 kids including 3 adopted boys and a 30 plus year retired Field Engineer due to disability including an unknown neurological issues, chronic pain and some amazing big words that doctors are taught to say.

      Now that that's out of the way. It has been proven that Facebook, Twitter, and several other social media companies have been censoring Conservative opinions, regardless if you believe it or not. Its a proven fact and there are a few lawsuits pending over it. As a long term Slashdot follower and article contributor way back when, i have seen my comments constantly modded down simply because i dont follow the lefts agenda.

      Again mod me down or delete my comment as normal, you know who you are as do I.

      It used to be that you could post an opinion as a conservative on slashdot and other social media and have a respectable conversation on whatever subject. Now however i get a accused of being a racist, homophobic even though I've had gay roommates in the past yet im straight, anti science amd technology even though i grew up in the tech industry, i don't believe in the flat earth or the earth is 6000 years old and my favorite I'm anti climate change even though the earth has been in a constant state of change for the last 4.5 million years. I dont however believe in man made global warming and will continue to believe so until climate scientists release the real true unmodified data going back 50 plus years straight from the devices with zero and i mean zero uneditted or adjusted data. Of course good luck acquiring such data because ive been told repeatedly that the orignal data is no longer availble, i tried to get it.

      Personal Attacks and anti free speach against conservatives is real and on going problem even though the USA is supposed to be tolerant country and the left keeps claiming they accept everyone which is BS.

      Go back to your amazing utopia now where people dont question your logic or data.

    11. Re: Useful??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the Nazis were leftists. That makes no sense. It's the libtards on TV who are promoting all the fascist pig sh1t. Every day you see cops saving puppy dogs but never images of their jackboot standing on an unarmed civilian's head.

      9-11 was a Democratic Party inside job, just like the JFK assasination. Here's IRREFUTABLE scientific PROOF: ae911truth dot org

    12. Re:Useful??? by Z80a · · Score: 1

      It's useful to make twitter free of terrorism posts, but not very good for actual combat on terrorism, as they will just move to somewhere else.
      What should happen is twitter giving the police a list of those things, and then the police acting like people looking to join, then arresting the fuck out of the terrorists as soon some sort of real meeting is made.
      That meme of "all kids on the internet are FBI agents" should pretty much be real.

    13. Re: Useful??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody said "Hinduism", dumb shit.

    14. Re: Useful??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Liberals turn "liberal" into a pejorative on their own by their own illiberal behavior.

      The US is founded on Christian morality and philosophy. You may not like it but the underlying morality of the US has always been Christian even if it was established as a secular nation.

    15. Re: Useful??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok Yuri.

    16. Re: Useful??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You conservatives have no idea what America is and means.

      Fake patriots, fake Christians.

    17. Re:Useful??? by sycodon · · Score: 2

      I stupidly signed up for Twitter once.

      My very first post was a response to some Leftist.

      Twitter immediately suspended the account and wanted me to provide an ID, Phone number, etc. because the post was, "suspicious".

      So, ya. They believe terrorists are anyone who disagrees with the Left.

      Fuck'm

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    18. Re: Useful??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have a cite for your assertion that "It has been proven that Facebook, Twitter, and several other social media companies have been censoring Conservative opinions, regardless if you believe it or not. Its a proven fact and there are a few lawsuits pending over it." ?

      Frankly, your screed here sounds a lot like a generic right-wing bobble-head talking points.

      "To the privileged, equality looks a lot like oppression".

    19. Re:Useful??? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      In other words they were bots used to increase the follower count of other accounts, and amplify them with likes.

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    20. Re:Useful??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^ This.

    21. Re: Useful??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jackboot standing on an unarmed civilian's head...

      ...who previously tried to harm the cops or other people and wouldn't obey the lawful orders of said cops until they tackled his stupid ass to the ground.

      If you do what a cop asks you to do, it's very unlikely that you will come to harm. The streets aren't the place to battle against the police if they do something wrong, a courtroom is.

  2. Really by countach · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Promoting terrorism, aka being politically right of Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong.

    1. Re:Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iTz NoT sEnSoRsHiP iF iT's NoT tHe GoVeRnMeNt, WhAt ArE yOu, SoMe KiNd oF rAcIsT?!?

    2. Re:Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it's censorship, but it's not government censorship, they are free to move onto other platforms who are willing to hold their speech. Government censorship is different.

    3. Re:Really by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC that depends on the US state.
      Some states did have laws about open space and political speech.
      Private property did not always stop open public political discussion in some US sates.

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    4. Re: Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why would an organisation that has C*Os from the centre and centre-right do that?

    5. Re:Really by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      There are literal Nazis on Twitter, and they don't get banned because they avoid breaking the rules.

      There is zero credible evidence of political bias from Twitter in relation to account bans.

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    6. Re:Really by countach · · Score: 1

      Really. Please tell us why Sargon of Akkad was banned then.

    7. Re:Really by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Posting hard core pornography was the last straw after numerous ToS violations.

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    8. Re:Really by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Hard core pornography? You mean the same stuff you can find all over twitter. Or is it because he posted gay pornography at alt-right figures who were attacking him, and their response was mass-flagging his account?

      But somehow, people like arthur chu and kristi winters are still on twitter despite their numerous ToS violations that twitter doesn't seem to care about.

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    9. Re:Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the people who don't know, Sargon allegedly (because all we have for proof is a couple of easily doctored screenshots) posted a not particularly dirty picture of a man sucking another man's dick after being basically goaded to do so by the recipient. Some people say he forgot to mark it adult, others say it was marked. I believe the others, but whatever. Some prick then reported it for a laugh, i.e. not in good faith. And even though what Sargon did was not against Twitter's ToS, he got banned, (again allegedly) for harassment and not for pornography. And the ban stayed in effect even after it became known that the report was frivolous.
      Now, I personally don't share Sargon's sense of humour (among other things) but we both know that if Sargon had been a bigger public figure, or a leftist, he wouldn't have gotten banned. We also both know that Sargon, whatever his flaws, doesn't harass people. Personally, I am an old dinosaur from a forgotten generation of leftists, and for us censorship was one of the worst evils on the planet and we fought the right to get rid of it. And look at the world now.

  3. So all the Israeli government accounts are gone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Twitter is full of hypocrisy. The CEO Deserves a good public humiliation.

  4. What the... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I still honestly do not understand twitter and why anyone cares. I was on the internet long before it it existed.

    People who use or read twitter are "twits".

  5. Without sending a tweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Almost 75% of accounts were suspended before they sent their first tweet

    How can an account be banned for promoting anything before speaking publicly?

    1. Re:Without sending a tweet by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Almost 75% of accounts were suspended before they sent their first tweet

      How can an account be banned for promoting anything before speaking publicly?

      I hear Tom Cruise and some drugged-out ladies in a pool were involved.

    2. Re:Without sending a tweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps they promoted terrorism, got shut down, created multiple new accounts and got shut down preemptively.

  6. Promote Diversity by john+of+sparta · · Score: 1

    whatever diversity you got

  7. Did the get the biggest one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    The biggest supporter of terrorism in the last decade was that guy who sent 400 million dollars in unmarked, untraceable cash on a secret plane directly to terrorists without telling Congress or anybody else. Surely Twitter will come down hard on such a terror-enabling criminal.

    1. Re:Did the get the biggest one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Working on your public creds in hopes to get a Trump appointment there, AC? I'm sure the 400 million delivered to Iran (not terrorists) had zero impact compared to the Russia money going into the region, but for a guy like Trump it seems like a lot since he never had that much.

    2. Re:Did the get the biggest one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice try Obama.

  8. A lot of West-Wing head-scratching by mnemotronic · · Score: 0

    John Bolton: I don't know Mr. President. My Twitter account doesn't appear to be working either.

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    1. Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching by mnemotronic · · Score: 2

      Ok. That's not fair. Trump definitely isn't a terrorist.

      That requires planning skiils.

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    2. Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Ok. That's not fair. Trump definitely isn't a terrorist.

      That requires planning skiils.

      He he it's so cool to hate on Trump without stating any actual problem you have with him. Wow you're so fashionable!

    3. Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      Even if he had them, Twitter wouldn't get rid of him anyway. He's probably responsible for at least a double digit percentage of their traffic. They couldn't quit each other if they wanted to.

    4. Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess it's time to use--
       
      No, sir; not the gadget from Langley--
       
      Langley?? Gosh, no! That present from Putin, remember: You never saw this!

    5. Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He he it's so rebellious being a Trump sheep! Strong conservative values like porn stars, deficits, lies and corruption! Financial dependency on the elites! Tax cuts for the rich! Military marches! Super PAC kickbacks! Wow you're so cool! Bah bah.

    6. Re: A lot of West-Wing head-scratching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make sure to wash up when you're through playing out there in the slime.

    7. Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here, have a tissue and a lollipop, snowflake.

    8. Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Ok. That's not fair. Trump definitely isn't a terrorist. That requires planning skills.

      Errorist.

    9. Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ok. That's not fair. Trump definitely isn't a terrorist.

      That requires planning skiils.

      Well that's quite true. The Obama presidency proved that you don't need planning skills to be a terrorist. He did a pretty good job of killing leaders of other nations with no clue on what to do after, or destabilize an entire area of the world to the point that millions try fleeing to Europe and cause mass destabilization of a second area of the world.

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    10. Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nearly 2 years out and I bet you still don't understand why Hillary lost.

    11. Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strong conservative values ... like asswhole fucking progressive shills and breaking their neekaps, bitch-slapping lib.com ivyleeg witches and oiler "brake-lining" Trotsky news-pimps near steep hills in SanFran . Yep lots of conservative values to protect................

    12. Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      New evidence indicates the Pulse Nightclub shooting was planned out about as well as one of Spanky's executive orders. So no, terrorism doesn't require good planning. Recently, a white supremacist in Wisconsin blew himself up, so terrorism doesn't even require intelligence above the level of a moron. Even Spanky could qualify.

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    13. Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cause mass destabilization

      A convenient way to scare off Chinese investments in the region. Obama's/Clinton's biggest legacy is the amount of weapons and other supplies sold to terrorists, even here in Mexico.

    14. Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who gave that poster a "5"? Verify the claim first. Mashiki posted nonsense. Bad moderators.

    15. Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sir/Mam, this is directly in error. Thank You.

  9. Easy list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    They were registered in the domains...
    @gop.com
    @rnc.com
    and
    @maga.com

    No need to wait for anything before Twitter decided it was terrorism. I wonder if they accidentally deleted any accounts belonging to vegans, they may want to increase security if they did.

    1. Re:Easy list by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Banned from twitter, why would anyone care?!?

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  10. Re:So all the Israeli government accounts are gone by theweatherelectric · · Score: 3, Funny
    The CIA has a twitter account and they operate secret prisons in which they torture people. To quote from their Twitter feed:

    STW Analyst: “A lot of things have surprised me about working at the CIA! The diversity of occupations employed here, the rotation opportunities, the investment in employee training.”

    But not, sadly, the practice of torture.

  11. What's "hateful conduct"? by mi · · Score: 1, Troll

    Is it Ok to hate certain white hood-wearers? How about those with red stars and hammer-and-sickle?

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    1. Re:What's "hateful conduct"? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Twitter can't go down that path; if they start banning people for hate speech, they would inevitably have to ban president Spanky to be consistent.

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    2. Re:What's "hateful conduct"? by mi · · Score: 1

      Twitter can't go down that path

      Yet, the write-up claims, the did... Hence my question...

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  12. Meanwhile, at the Trump Tower by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    WTF, whispered the Donald

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    1. Re:Meanwhile, at the Trump Tower by Locke2005 · · Score: 0

      Only because somebody explained to president Spanky that "'WTF' means 'Where's The Fries?'"

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  13. Sounds like running from a witch hunt to me by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    Which is scary. Who thinks the Twits In Charge (TIC) have suddenly identified a few hundred thousand accounts in the week or so since Facebook had their business model thrown in their face?

    No, the twits came up with a list of bad words and bad origins and made 2 teams, where each got really good with perl and Regexps shooting at different goals.

  14. About fucking time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Twitter banned people for all kinds of stupid shit, but promoting terrorism always seemed ok to them. I always thought those terror accounts were CIA fronts or something because why else where they allowed to stay up for years promoting ISIS?

  15. Twitter has the right by Fortis+McMannus · · Score: 1

    As long as it's not illegal discrimination based on age, race, religion, gender, disability, medial condition, or sexual orientation Twitter can arbitrarily decide to or not to do business with anyone they want.

    1. Re:Twitter has the right by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      What if your religion is extremist?

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    2. Re:Twitter has the right by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The religion of war can cover its propaganda under as freedom of religion.
      The teaching are perfect and direct from god.
      A faith cant be changed. The faith is spread by war as part of that faith.

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    3. Re:Twitter has the right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that how left-wing lunatics seem to get a pass on Twitter and Facebook? They fall under the class of "medical condition" due to their mental illness.

    4. Re:Twitter has the right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since those "protected classes" are unconstitutional ... Twitter is a public transport and thus like public roads must take-all-comers.

    5. Re:Twitter has the right by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

      No, Twitter is a common carrier, and doesn't have any liability for what is published as long as they don't moderate it... meaning now that they are picking and choosing what viewpoints can be expressed, they CAN be sued for letting material slip through that incites illegal or violent behavior. Not sure they've thought this all the way through.

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  16. Liking a lot of pro terrorist posts by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    would be a good start. Following pro terrorist accounts exclusively. In otherwords, shill accounts designed to raise the visibility of the accounts that post.

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  17. was trump on there by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    I thought not...

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  18. In a related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Google AdWords started a special advertising offer, promoting a new advertising model aimed at terrorist groups who need to promote their activities. Special discounted monthly plans are offered to islamic groups that have been unduly pulled out of mainstream platforms.

  19. So does this mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That trumps account was deleted?

  20. Terrorism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nowadays, terrorism is indistinguishable from journalism and political activism under the eyes of the deep state and its agencies. What they're actually doing is implementing an Orwellian censorship programme on a massive scale.

    1. Re:Terrorism? by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

      It's only a constitutional issue if the government censors viewpoints. Private companies have every right to not give you a forum for your assinine ideas!

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  21. Re:So all the Israeli government accounts are gone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    washingtonpost is fake news. don't use them as a source if you want to be taken seriously.

  22. Baby steps by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Have they banned Trump's account for inciting violence yet?

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  23. Eastern Ghouta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember how like a month ago the rebels were all grassroots activists, rescue workers and administrative structures?
    Or were they 20,000 jihadi retaining thousands of prisoners and over 100,000 more hostages, shot when they were trying to leave.
    Promoting "rebels" went quite far in the mainstream media (even and especially in France, which stopped being "antiwar" a decade ago if not more). They called for war against the Syrian government to help the rebels too.
    So, should western mainstream media be banned? And plenty of non-Trump politician as well.

  24. And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And yet Donald fucking Drumpf still has an account.

    MASSIVE fail, Twitter. Ban the one that encourages more terrorism than any of them. Ban Drumpf.

  25. Bunk! [Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    [Obama] did a pretty good job of killing leaders of other nations with no clue on what to do after, or destabilize an entire area of the world to the point that millions try fleeing to Europe

    That's a bunch of bunk. Obama did NOT start the civil wars, and they raged on with and without dictator removal. Keeping (Syria) versus removing original dictator (Libya) made no difference: both countries went to shit. If the Middle East civil wars had any single cause, it was the harsh economic crash that began under W's watch.

    Get a better news channel, please.

    1. Re:Bunk! [Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching] by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      That's a bunch of bunk. Obama did NOT start the civil wars, and they raged on with and without dictator removal. Keeping (Syria) versus removing original dictator (Libya) made no difference: both countries went to shit. If the Middle East civil wars had any single cause, it was the harsh economic crash that began under W's watch.

      Gadaffi: No threat to the US, openly welcomed inspectors, had a GDP surplus, was honoring stipulations on trade agreements. Was reforming country into quasi-secular areas with internal government bodies. Post-Hillary and Obama economic collapse, ruin, destruction, and slave markets. The only reason ISIS hasn't managed to get a foothold was because under Gadaffi individual areas were managed like states and had their own internal controls and worked together. Syria on the other hand is far, far, far more interesting. Because the only reason that the US got involved in there was at the behest of "allies" who are now blockaded by Saudi Arabia, that wanted to build a NG pipeline. You know what the difference between Libya and Syria is right now? Syria is more stable.

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    2. Re:Bunk! [Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Gadaffi: No threat to the US, openly welcomed inspectors, had a GDP surplus, was honoring stipulations on trade agreements.

      A civil war begun and he started mass killings of his own people, which made the civil war all the more heated. US didn't start the civil war.

      You know what the difference between Libya and Syria is right now? Syria is more stable.

      You are comparing shit to puke.

    3. Re:Bunk! [Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching] by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      A civil war begun and he started mass killings of his own people, which made the civil war all the more heated. US didn't start the civil war.

      A civil war didn't begin, and he didn't start mass killings of his own. Islamic extremists started a war, which became a civil war along sectarian lines.

      You are comparing shit to puke.

      Your actual ignorance of the world is astounding.

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    4. Re:Bunk! [Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Your actual ignorance of the world is astounding.

      Projection.

    5. Re:Bunk! [Re:A lot of West-Wing head-scratching] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A civil war didn't begin, and he didn't start mass killings of his own. Islamic extremists started a war, which became a civil war along sectarian lines.

      True or not, what's that have to do with the Obama administration? It does not appear to be making or helping your point. Please clarify.

      You know what the difference between Libya and Syria is right now? Syria is more stable. [prior message]

      Calling Syria "stable" is really a stretch. If I had to give them a grade for stability, I'd give an F to Libya and an F+ to Syria. They are both humanitarian disasters.

      Don't get me wrong, I disagree with Obama's (and all President's) meddling in the area, but comparing an F+ to an F in order to say Obama is somehow clearly wrong for intervening more in Libya is a very weak argument to me. It's a poor case for claiming non-intervention is better than intervention. (Intervention is bad for OTHER reasons.) I don't understand your viewpoint here.

  26. We have a serious censorship problem today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The government and the powers that be - entities and industries like the entertainment industry have setup censorship filters at ISPs and now these filters are being extended to the platforms most of us utilize to communicate. When governments are permitted to create 'lists' it sets a dangerous precedent and we end up with people being unable to speak out. We've seen how poor these lists are with even babies incapable of communicating being put on terrorist watch lists. When your ability to communicate starts to be cut off you won't even know if its intentional or an accident because there are no means of REASONABLE appeal and there are so frequently mistakes in these lists.

    Hitler used census data to create lists of people and so did the US. The US interned the Japanese. We need to put an end to the censorship. It's just wrong.