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Apple Tells the EPA Why Cutting the Clean Power Plan Is a Bad Move (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Apple is pushing back against the Environmental Protection Agency's proposal to repeal the Clean Power Plan. The company filed a public comment with the EPA today arguing that scrapping the policy, which calls for cutting power plant pollution, would dull the United States' competitive edge in the clean energy economy. The Clean Power Plan (or CPP) was finalized by the Obama administration, and it takes aim at power plants -- the number one carbon polluters in the U.S., according to the Obama-era EPA website. Had the CPP ever taken effect, it would have given power plants until the year 2030 to curb their carbon emissions by about 30 percent, a move that the Obama administration said could protect the environment, public health, and consumer's pocketbooks.

Apple's comment cites the economic advantages of supporting clean energy, including that it provides "corporate electricity buyers with a hedge against fuel price fluctuation." The price of solar and wind don't change like the price of oil, Apple's filing says. (It also notes that China is currently beating the U.S. in clean energy investments.) The company also says that regulating the grid's carbon emissions "power plant by power plant" won't work. It references its own experiences operating with 100 percent renewable energy here in the U.S. and the work of its subsidiary, Apple Energy LLC, which sells the excess electricity the company generates back to the grid. The electricity system is far too interconnected, the filing says, so "regulation should consider the dynamic and interconnected nature of how power is generated, sold and consumed." That's why it supports the clean power plan, which it says provides a nationwide framework for regulating electricity generation: "It is both needed and the smart thing to do."

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  1. This couldn't possibly matter less by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Informative

    half the reason Trump got elected was desperate coal miners. This is an utterly impotent gesture on Apple's part. He's got to do something to appease them or they're not going to come out to vote for him next election.

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    1. Re:This couldn't possibly matter less by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That does not add up.
      How many voters do you have in the US?
      How many are coal miners or in any way related to the coal industry?

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    2. Re:This couldn't possibly matter less by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 2

      It was A reason. It wasn't nearly half. He won West Virginia. Big fucking deal.

      Once the coal miners look around and realize nothing has really changed for the better for them, they might think twice.

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    3. Re:This couldn't possibly matter less by Ogive17 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      States that once relied on mining are easy to sway by throwing a bone or two their way. Then other blue collar workers who feel overlooked think Trump is going to look out for them.

      Do not discount the gullibility of the average American voter.

      (I'm an American, fwiw).

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  2. Re:I have a question - I have my own by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just who would be producing the equipment used to implement this "clean power plan" nationwide? I bet China, our obvious enemy today, would benefit greatly.

    And why is that? Maybe because we neglected green and clean energy because the fossil fuel industry has our government (pretty much the Republicans) by the balls? (Mitch McConnell [R-KY] origninated the lie about the "War on Coal" at the behest of his masters in the industry.)

    And maybe they did a great job in convincing half the electorate that green and clean is some "librul horseshit" to destroy jobs and ...socialism?

    We are backwards. Sticking to fossil fuels - an antiquated dirty backwards fuel source - will ruin this country. While the rest of the World progresses and surpasses us (like China already has in terms of energy), we will become a backwards shithole because of ignorant short sighted ideology and folks trying to preserve their outdated business - like the coal miners.

  3. Re:So? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Think of them as a major us employer and energy consumer.

    Or not, since TFA mentions that Apple produces its own clean energy and sells the excess to the grid. Perhaps Apple is worried that they won't be able to sell their excess for quite so much as they had planned on....

    The only way clean energy does not make sense as a national grid objective is if the fuel is practically free, and you need significant multi-week storage capacity locally. Battery economics plus improved transmission capacity are likely to marginalized those benefits.

    If it makes sense, then you won't have to force people to do it, do you? Or does it only make sense when you use force?

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  4. There's already a hedge by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The capacity of American oil production is such now that there is essentially a natural cap of $70/barrel, which which get lower over time as oil production improves technology. Natural gas is also really cheap now compared to where it used to be and is going to stay that way for a very long time.

    Alternative energy will take over naturally is the technology there improves also... just let it do its thing.

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  5. Re:EPA Programs by quantaman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For every EPA program cut, EPA directors add $75,000 bonuses to their salaries.

    Reduce fraud, waste, and abuse then get some extra cash. An excellent incentive program.

    Your pithy response would be more effective if the Scott Pruit wasn't so ridiculously corrupt and wasteful.

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  6. No, we need to go as fast as we can. by bussdriver · · Score: 2

    We shouldn't always wait for a disaster to react to. We should be wise and make moves in advance of "market conditions" to form. The invisible hand of the market is NOT god and it's not wise either; it's mostly reactionary and short sighted.

    Alternatives needed to get jump started and they did... but they need to grow faster than they have and most importantly, they need to be large enough to bribe government officials on a competitive scale with the fossil fuel industry. THEN we can seriously talk about sitting back and letting the chaos unfold hopefully in the right direction.

    Old energy is still heavily subsidized and far too influential. It is not a fair competition.