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Engineer Develops Sonar Alarm System To Monitor Kids In the Pool (newatlas.com)

British electrical engineer John Barstead created a sonar alarm system that will warn parents or nearby sunbathers if a small child has accidentally fallen into a pool. The Dolphin Alarm, as it is called, is currently raising production funds on Kickstarter. New Atlas explains how it works: When small children who have no business going into the pool on their own are out playing near it, they wear a special wristband. If they should fall in, the wristband will generate a three-tone sonar signal as soon as it's immersed in the water. That signal will be detected by a hydrophone contained within a receiver unit that floats in the pool. When that happens, the unit will emit a 131-decibel alarm. It will also transmit an alert to an indoor remote unit located up to 150 m away (170 ft), which will likewise sound an alarm of its own. While there are other child-in-the-pool alarms, most of them are wave-activated and have to be shut off when other people are using the pool.

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  1. Awesome! by Hans+Lehmann · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now we no longer need to pay any attention to our kids when they're near a swimming pool. We have technology to do it for us!

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    1. Re:Awesome! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Funny

      I won't have to think about my kid ever again.

      You still have to wait till they are old enough to microwave their own food.

      Here is a great life hack to avoid killing your kid in a hot car: When you buckle the kid into the car seat, toss your cell phone and wallet onto the floor in front of the seat. When you reach your destination and reach into your pocket to check your Facebook status ... the phone isn't there. Then you remember the kid is asleep in the backseat!

    2. Re:Awesome! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Now we no longer need to pay any attention to our kids when they're near a swimming pool.

      Do you also think we shouldn't have seat belts, since parents don't need to drive as carefully?

    3. Re:Awesome! by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Anyone can get distracted for just a few minutes, no matter how doting the parents are. That's all it takes for tragedy to occur. Many years ago, my young cousin drowned in my aunt and uncle's pool. She simply wandered off and fell in. That's what toddlers do, after all. I'm sure they would have given anything for a device like this to warn them.

      I hope this works. It's a simple idea that could potentially save some heartbreak like our family had to go through.

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    4. Re:Awesome! by PPH · · Score: 2, Funny

      toss your cell phone and wallet onto the floor in front of the seat

      My cell phone and wallet are in my holster. I suppose I could give my kid my Glock to play with while I drive.

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    5. Re:Awesome! by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      Yeah. Put this together with the back seat alarm [slashdot.org] and I won't have to think about my kid ever again.

      Ah. An alarm to keep you from *forgetting* a kid who is *already* in the back seat. In the context of a story about an alarm that tells you when someone gets into something (a pool) that they're not supposed to, I half expected you to be linking to an alarm that warns you when your teenage daughter gets in the back seat of your car with her boyfriend.

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    6. Re:Awesome! by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When I first read the summary the first thing that went through my mind is the Super Freakenomics book mentions children are more likely to die from falling in a swimming pool than accidental gun death at home.

      How about the sum of accidental and deliberate gun death?

      A lot of kids fall into pools or drown swimming in the USA and something like this (perhaps the new generation of this tool) could be helpful.

      Or teach them to swim before letting them out of sight near a pool or lake?

    7. Re:Awesome! by thesupraman · · Score: 2

      It will be even more funz when the inventor gets sued into the dirt the first time a child drowns with the system in place.

      I hope he has taken a LOT of legal advice over possible legal exposure on such a device.....

    8. Re:Awesome! by apoc.famine · · Score: 2

      That could never go wrong.....

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    9. Re:Awesome! by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      That's the "before" part, when you do not let them out of sight near a pool or lake.

      Yep because we all know that parents are in 100% complete control over their toddlers at all times and there isn't ever a possibility that someone has a pool at their house, or god forbid a parent decides to actually leave the house sometime over their first 3 years.

      There's two kinds of people in the world:

      Those who think they are in complete control, and people who have had kids.

  2. Why have a wristband at all by technosaurus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just use the standard sonar signature of the pool and alarm if it changes.

    1. Re:Why have a wristband at all by Dog-Cow · · Score: 2

      One would think that one would read the fucking summary before replying, but this is slashdot...

  3. What if they aren't wearing the wristband? by mveloso · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The wristband is the flaw. A kid who isn't supposed to go into the pool isn't going to wear their special wristband, especially if it isn't their pool.

  4. Yeah - genius who's NEVER worked with kids... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it depends on the kid wearing a "water activated" wristband of some sort, it's a bit of a non-starter. The kid learns first that if he drags his arm through the water, big excitement ensues. Next he learns that if he takes the wristband off and throws it in the pool, even greater amusement ensues. Finally, the parents get rid of the thing out of irritation.

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    1. Re:Yeah - genius who's NEVER worked with kids... by starblazer · · Score: 2

      if I were a betting man it would be transmitting the signal thru the water, hence the 'sonar' part of it, therefore, little billy playing around with the sprinkler connected to the house wouldn't set it off. If you were draining the pool and he decided to wet the wristband using the drain hose would though as the circuit would be compete then.

    2. Re:Yeah - genius who's NEVER worked with kids... by arth1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, because if there's anything that toddlers absolutely love it's a sudden 131-decibel alarm tone.

      Yes, they do appear to love the sound of their own voice.

  5. Technology in search of a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If the problem is unsupervised children falling into a pool, the solution is a fence.

    After several minutes thought I find it rather hard to figure out the market for this product:
      * It requires modification of the pool environment, but is inferior to wave based child detection systems because it also requires,
      * Modification of the child via a large battery powered wrist strap, but is inferior to a leash because they can still fall in pools

    It also looks suspiciously like vapourwear:
      * no examples of it in operation
      * all depictions of the prototype are actually renders
      * any time the product is depicted "in use" it is a still photo with photoshop modifications

  6. Wave-activated sounds superior, actually by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I would think a wave-activated device, coupled with a security camera and some sort of mobile or web app, would be great (if I had a pool, which I don’t). It would work for neighborhood kids, which this wouldn’t. And, if I were away from the house, I could still call for emergency responders were it warranted.

    This new “invention” seems like something we could’ve had in the 1960s. The only reason it’s even here is probably the word “KickStarter”. Hey, @whipslash, please consider adding the ability to filter out KickStarter stories, the way we can other subjects.

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    1. Re:Wave-activated sounds superior, actually by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      Oh, and 150 meters isn’t remotely close to 170 feet - it’s a hair over 492 feet. 50 meters is about 162 feet... is that what was meant?

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  7. Cheaper Solution by bobstreo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Shock Collars and invisible fencing should protect your children quite nicely. And provide a handy guide for your robotic mower, which totally would never kill people instead of cutting grass. /s

  8. They have it backwards. by trogdor_linux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A much better idea would be a to have adults wear the sonar device to act as an inhibit for a wave based alarm sensor.

  9. Foolproof! by viperidaenz · · Score: 5, Informative

    Unless the wrist band falls off
    or It's battery goes flat
    or it gets damaged
    or someone forgets to put it on
    or it gets dirty and the ultrasonic transducer doesn't make a sound
    or it gets dirty and the water detector doesn't trigger
    or the detection microphone is fouled
    or the floating detectors battery goes flat

    There is already a solution for this problem. You can buy a system that detects disturbances in the water. They automatically arm themselves when the water is calm, you temporarily disarm it when you use the pool and it rearms automatically then you stop disturbing the water.
    When something disturbs the water, like a child falling in, an alarm is triggered.

    They're designed by real engineers to solve this specific problem as an alternative for pool fencing where it's legal or in addition to it as extra protection.
    They're designed to protect all kids, not just the ones you remembered to attach a wristband to.

    I fail to see a market for this and I hope no one gets lulled into a false sense of security by it.

  10. Website has basic errors by viperidaenz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It really inspires confidence in a safety product when the website describing its operation says "When the wrist band makes contact with water the transmitter sends an acoustic signal to the pool alarm which emits a loud penetrating"

    Penetrating what? Tentacle to rescue your drowning child?

    It's not even an HTML rendering issue, it's an image.

    They also feel the need to state "WRISTBAND TRANSMITTER - The Wristband is worn on the wrist" Where else do you wear a wristband?

  11. I recommend swimming lessons. by Qbertino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And bathing together with them until they can swim.

    Sometimes tech solves problems that don't exist. At least not for people with common sense.

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  12. Existing products do much better by heldal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Interesting idea, but pool guarding systems based only on video is pretty common. Like PoolView, SwimEye, AngelEye among others. It has existed for many years. As a matter of fact, my brother used to code for one of these systems. It's all underwater video monitoring with pattern detection and works fairly well.

    The only scenario where I could see this sonar-version would be practical is in Hotel resorts or other closed areas where visiting kids are given this wristband and then left to roam the premises unattended. Going for private households might be the angle required for Kickstarter, but all in all this seems like a product more suited for the business market, IMHO.