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Dual-Motor Tesla Model 3 Possibly Coming In July (electrek.co)
According to Elon Musk, the dual-motor Tesla Model 3 is expected to be released in July. "Musk linked the release of the new Model 3 powertrain with the automaker achieving a production rate of 5,000 Model 3 vehicles per week," reports Electrek. From the report: Earlier this year, we reported on Tesla registering 19 Model 3 VINs with dual motor powertrain with NHTSA in the latest batch of new VINs. It happened right after the Tesla Model 3 dual motor powertrain design leaked in the latest design studio update. Then in February, Tesla registered a new batch of Model 3 VINs, including two dozen Model 3 VINs with the dual motor powertrain. It raised Model 3 reservation holders' hope that the new configuration could soon become available, but now Musk confirmed that it is still a few months away in a series of tweets last night. The CEO also linked the timing with the release of the Model 3 white interior. Tesla currently only offers a single interior option with black upholstery. The dual motor Model 3 is expected to deliver a slightly longer range and offer a quicker acceleration than the current single motor rear-wheel-drive version.
Musk says a lot of things:
Elon Musk, 2012: "The electricity used by the Supercharger comes from a solar carport system provided by SolarCity, which results in almost zero marginal energy cost after installation. Combining these two factors, Tesla is able to provide Model S owners free long distance travel indefinitely. () The Supercharger system will always generate more power from sunlight than Model S customers use for driving."
Elon Musk, 2013: "Model S is designed to allow a fast battery swap, exchanging your battery for a fully charged battery in less than half the time it takes to refill a gas tank. () Hopefully, this is what convinces people finally that electric cars are the future."
Elon Musk, 2014: "I am confident in the German consumer. I bet that from the end of 2014 onwards, we can sell 10,000 cars in Germany annually () By the end of 2014, we'll have 25 German Service Centres () We'll have 200 maybe 300 cars per week going to Germany (10,400 to 15,600 annually)."
Elon Musk, 2014: "I expect that in the long run, Tesla will build a battery factory in Germany."
Elon Musk, 2015: "The response has been overwhelming, OK, like crazy. In the course of like less than a week, we've had 38,000 reservations for the Powerwall, 2,500 reservations for Powerpack. So, it's like crazy off the hook. Yeah. And it seems to have gone super viral."
Elon Musk, 2015: "I don't want to sort of name specific suppliers, but our biggest challenges are with the second row seat, which is, it's an amazing seat, like a sculptural work of art, but a very tricky thing to get right. The falcon-wing door actually seems to probably not be a critical path item."
Elon Musk, 2015: "We should be able to do 90 percent of miles driven within three years," Elon Musk told the Financial Times in 2013, "The problem with Google's current approach (LIDAR among other sensors) is that the sensor system is too expensive," Musk said. "It's better to have an optical system, basically cameras with software that is able to figure out what's going on just by looking at things."
Elon Musk, 2016: "If you're in New York and the car's in Los Angeles, you can summon your car to you from your phone and tell the car to find you. It'll automatically charge itself along the journey () I might be slightly optimistic on that, but I don't think significantly optimistic that we can do that in two years"
Elon Musk, 2016: "We plan to fund about $1.5 billion in capital expenditures without accessing any outside capital other than our existing sources that support our leasing and finished goods inventory."
Elon Musk, 2016: "So as a rough guess, I would say we would aim to produce 100,000 to 200,000 Model 3s in the second half of next year. That's my expectation right now. Yeah, so that's the thing. () The date we are setting with suppliers to get to a volume production capability with the Model 3 is July 1 next year."
Elon Musk, 2016: "The probability of having an accident is 50 percent lower if you have Autopilot on () Even with our first version, it's almost twice as good as a person."
Elon Musk, 2016: "With your Model S, Model X, or Model 3, your solar panel system, and your Powerwall all in place, you would be able to deploy and consume energy in the most efficient and sustainable way possible, lowering your costs and minimizing your dependence on fossil fuels and the grid. () Culturally, this is a great fit."
Elon Musk, 2016: Musk told analysts the company's current plan "does not require any capital raise for the Model 3 at all."
Can I cancel my existing Model 3 order, so I can get a dual motor? After all, if one motor is good, two must be twice as good!
that's TPC to you.
Jesus tits, not this again. Spend a second on wikipedia. 'Unsprung mass'
I know you're AC. But perhaps you don't want to be wrong all your life.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
It would be the coolest virus of all times. But I bet they would just spin the wheels until the tires caught fire.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Honestly, it would probably just be easier to disable the thermal safety make the battery or motors overload and catch fire instead.
I would be curious if the frame would crack under the strain, though.
I wish I had my mod points from yesterday. Have an updoot I guess.
My turn came yesterday. It said I can have the premium in production model 3 in three to six weeks, or dual motor in late 2018 and the regular standard battery model 3 in early 2019.
Looks like they predict there is enough demand for the higher end versions to soak up all the production in 2018.
I am not waiting, no pricing is announced.
Price was, 35K base, +9K for extended 310 mile battery, +5K for premium interior that has open pore wood trim and two extra usbs. Some special cruise control is 6K and auto pilot is another 4 K on top of that. Desitnation charge of 1000$. Wanted an immediate payment of 2500$ to book it.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
"... and our suppliers are all idiots."
I doubt they are ALL idiots, but that sounds more credible than most Muskisms.
Tesla has been cobbling cars together for a while. This is not their first rodeo. Why did Musk's operation select incompetent suppliers for the Model 3?
You can't see ANYTHING from a car, You've got to get out of the goddamned contraption and walk...Edward Abbey
It is an interesting solution though, which is (or was?) used by some manufacturers. It has advantages and disadvantages.
They didn't. The supplier thing is bullshit. The production problems are really of Tesla's own making and due to the fact that their previous cars have been cobbled together. The model 3 is the first one for mass production and it should not be surprising that Tesla does not know how to do mass production.
All I want is a secure system where it's easy to do anything I want. Is that too much to ask ~~ Randall Munroe
Don't be an early adopter. The fixes, quality control, features and other improvements will happen on somebody else's car.
Then in February, Tesla registered a new batch of Model 3 VINs, including two dozen Model 3 VINs with the dual motor powertrain. It raised Model 3 reservation holders' hope that the new configuration could soon become available, but now Musk confirmed that it is still a few months away in a series of tweets last night.
This sort of thing is a perfect example of why I crack up every time someone cites VIN registrations as anything resembling a reasonable proxy of Model 3 production rates. A vehicle corresponding to a given VIN need not be produced in a particularly tight time frame, and, more importantly, need not be produced at all. It's beyond question at this point that Elon [ab]uses the registration process as a PR lever.
Except they aren't taking more time than other car manufacturers to get the production line up and running. Musk is just letting optimistic estimates out.
His pathological penchant for unrealistic estimates really isn't the core of the problem. Musk started actually taking orders for a mass-produced car before he even started working on the production line or even having a clue how long it would realistically take to do that. Other car manufacturers employ what Elon doubtless thinks is an old-fashioned and blinkered technique of selling mass-produced cars after they're actually being mass-produced.
Easier, but not nearly as cool. If you could turn the steering wheel, they'd all 'donut' quite nicely, might get up to a respectable RPM. But that might inhibit the tires catching fire, which would be OK, enough would get hung up and burn.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Car manufactures? This century? Post Model T?
On axle hydraulic motors are common. In heavy equipment. Where wheel and tire weight is measured in tons and they have no suspension except the tire sidewall.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Car manufactures? This century? Post Model T?
Wikipedia tells me that it is used in several newer concept cars. Also in three cars produced in series:
MW Motors Luka EV
and from the German wikipedia, the Chinese electric BYD ebus and the Mercedes-Benz Citaro Fuel Cell Hybrid bus.
The Liebherr T 282B ultra heavy truck also seems to use on axle electric motors.
Jesus tits, not this again. Spend a second on wikipedia. 'Unsprung mass'
I'm not the original AC, but I like to have a wider perspective on things than some 100-year-old tradition of car design. I imagine some people at Tesla have actually considered the pros and cons with an open mind, as they seem pretty innovative in general.
Electric motors don't have similar scaling issues as ICEs, so it might be a good tradeoff to have one small motor per wheel. I imagine it's a plus when you get rid of a mechanical drive train, along with friction and other losses. (See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...)
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
That's a no. No production cars.
Do you think there might be a reason for that? Hint: It's upthread, 'unsprung mass'
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
What? These are all production cars. I did not list any concept car.
You listed heavy equipment, buses, concept cars and one that they had made three of.
'Three' is not production, 'three' is not street legal anywhere. DOT makes you destroy more than three, just to be considered.
Bet there are golf carts and forklifts too. Also not a production car.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Ok I wasn't aware that the definition of "car" is different than that of the common translation to german ("Automobil"), which includes buses and trucks.
Unsprung vs sprung weight was literally a homework assignment in an introductory engineering class. It was a toy problem at that, mainly used to teach us how to use the mechanical simulation software.
You could have done the math yourself.