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Japan Could Have More Than 3 Million Cryptocurrency Traders (coindesk.com)

According to Japan's Financial Services Agency (FSA), the country has at least 3.5 million individuals that are trading with cryptocurrencies as actual assets. "Among them, crypto investors in their 20s, 30s and 40s make up a major share, accounting for 28, 34, and 22 percent, respectively, of the total crypto trader population in Japan," reports CoinDesk. From the report: Announced at the first meeting of a cryptocurrency exchange study group established by the FSA in early March, the data release marks the latest effort by the financial watchdog in bringing greater transparency to the industry following a recent hack of one of the domestic exchange Coincheck. According to the FSA, the study and disclosure of the domestic trading statistics is a first step towards a more comprehensive examination over institutional issues in the cryptocurrency trading space in Japan. In comparison, the financial regulator also disclosed in the latest report that the number of traders investing in cryptocurrency margins and futures is about 142,842 as of the end of March. What's perhaps notable is the major contrast in the growth of yearly trading volume drawn to these two different types of investments. According to the FSA's data, for example, yearly trading volume of the actual bitcoin cryptocurrency has grown from $22 million as of Mar. 31 in 2014 to $97 billion in 2017. Yet at the same time, trading on margins, credit and futures of bitcoin as an underlying asset has surged from only $2 million in 2014 to a whopping $543 billion just in 2017 alone, the agency said.

35 comments

  1. This number seems high by nickovs · · Score: 0, Troll

    Japan has about 1.8% of the world's population. The quote oft attributed to P.T. Barnum is that there's a sucker born every minute, which would suggest that about 9,500 are born each year in Japan. Thus this would represent more than 300 years supply of suckers. Perhaps they import them to make up the numbers.

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    1. Re:This number seems high by BeauHD+(+6,+Expert) · · Score: 1

      Do you really believe this?

    2. Re:This number seems high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are you accounting for change in birth rate since P. T. Barnum's quote? :P
      Joking aside, perhaps you're aware that "there's a $(noun) $(verb) every minute" is a figure of speech that's never intended to be taken literally.

      Japan's population is 127 million. 3 / 127 = 2.4%. Even though Japanese people are smarter than the world average, the dumbest 2.4% are still dumber than a sack of rocks.
      (* Hint: That's "dumber than a sack of rocks" is figure of speech, too.)

    3. Re:This number seems high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think OP could be potentially equal or less intelligent than a bag of undetermined rocks. Most of the world's oceans are unexplored. I leave you in each other's fine company.

  2. not surprising by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not surprising, since they advertise bitcoin on the train and billboards all over the place.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    1. Re: not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      When I was in Akihabara a few months ago, there were plenty of "We accept bitcoin" signs in main stores. And I mean Yodabashi or Big Camera, not a small one in a shitty alley .

  3. Analytics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seriously.. how does this article able to display the age of the traders? How did they gain this information? How was it correlated? Did the traders consent this as public information?

    1. Re:Analytics? by war4peace · · Score: 1

      You get data from the age table and not correlate it with names, then aggregate it.
      Most crypto exchanges require an ID scan for you to be able to engage in meaningful trading.

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  4. As Currency? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Are any of them trading with cryptocurrency as currency? Or are they just tossing it back and forth as 'assets.'

    It can't be a currency unless the value stabilizes. If it's an 'investment' it's a poor idea to use it for a currency.

    1. Re: As Currency? by slazzy · · Score: 1

      Banks are no better. They also take all your money on a whim. One letter from a three letter agency and your funds are frozen. Good luck paying for a lawyer to get it back. I've been there, and i did nothing wrong.

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  5. Re:Why is /. Obsessed with buttcoins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Because a few loud mouths spent all their savings on this fraud and want to get their money back.

  6. The trouble with crypto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because the supply of crypto miners is limtited in part by the technical knowhow to run a mine-op, and the number of people who can do that is naturally less than the whole population. People must realize that the risks of crypto, due to fluctuations in value and lack of a solid backing, and also the inability for "monetary expansion" such as when banks may loan out up to a multiple of the amount they have on hand, notwithstanding troubles with exchanges and outright fraud, or ICOs which are scams. Eventually regulation must react and it As inevitable to expect governments to hold. The problem with the laissez-faire approach, history being full of issues of poor monetary regulation and oversight, from the crash of 1929 "Black Friday" to financial meltdowns that have caused countless problems for people to plan retirements, on the side of the general public being protected. It is ASIC game since the efficiency of GPU mining and the difficulty of cheap electicity for a mine-op.

    Not once have valuations dormant in a sane range.

  7. Of course! by plumwhite23091 · · Score: 0

    Father of bitcoin is Japanese. https://williamreview.com/live...

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    1. Re: Of course! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      SPAM SPAM SPAM

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  8. Don't forget about the official certifications by thesjaakspoiler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It almost looks like a risk free investment if the Ministry of Finance hands out official certifications to all those bitcoin investment companies. And with interest rates close to zero on savings ($.48 on $100K saving) and no ROI on any other type of investments, a lot of Japanese are looking for other ways to invest their money.

    1. Re:Don't forget about the official certifications by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      "a lot of Japanese are looking for other ways to invest their money."

      Sure. And maybe US and other G7 assets are a bit overpriced. And maybe China isn't a great place to invest either. And who wants to bet money on the future of some tropical hellhole full of crazed, incomprehensible, and quite possibly incompetent gaijin? But ...

      "... at the same time, trading on margins, credit and futures of bitcoin as an underlying asset has surged from only $2 million in 2014 to a whopping $543 billion just in 2017 alone"

      Half a trillion USD in speculative "investment" in a historically volatile (and somewhat imaginary) commodity? What could possibly go wrong? By way of comparison, the sum of all Japanese holdings of US Treasury notes is about 1 trillion USD.

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    2. Re:Don't forget about the official certifications by Whibla · · Score: 1

      Half a trillion USD in speculative "investment" in a historically volatile (and somewhat imaginary) commodity? What could possibly go wrong? By way of comparison, the sum of all Japanese holdings of US Treasury notes is about 1 trillion USD.

      While I feel much the same way, you appear to be conflating investment / holdings with trading volume.

      Admittedly, the picture when we look at just volumes* is not much prettier:

      Daily 'Crypto' trading volumes (2017) was roughly $1.5 billion / day.
      Daily 'Stocks' trading volumes (2017) was roughly $25 billion / day.

      In other words trading in 'cryptos' now accounts for about 17% of all financial trading activity in Japan. Startling doesn't even begin to describe this statistic!

      *figures are pretty rough and rounded, but were taken from the jpx website.

    3. Re:Don't forget about the official certifications by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      I probably agree with you, but I'm not quite sure how 1.5B is 17% of 25B.

      Doesn't matter. What makes me nervous is that I remember all too clearly how a decade ago we were told that ludicrous sums in improbable financial instruments (CDOs, etc) was not a problem because everything would net out to zero. Except ... it turns out that the bets don't net out to zero if some of the players can't cover their bets.

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    4. Re:Don't forget about the official certifications by Whibla · · Score: 1

      ...but I'm not quite sure how 1.5B is 17% of 25B...

      It isn't. My bad. Mental arithmetic failure, resulted in me inverting the two... should be 6%. Thank you.

      And I do share your nervousness. Leverage on the scale these figures imply is a financial disaster waiting to happen.

  9. Even the story backs him up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Notice the 'value' is quoted in dollars? Yet these are supposed to be money.
    Only not money backed by an economy, its supposed to be backed by blockchain value, with is a worthless audit trail.

    Its a con. And theres no way there are 3.5 million traders in japan alone. They miht as well be trading tulip bulb futurres.

  10. No other investments worthwhile??? by TJHook3r · · Score: 1

    Has it always been the case that 'investors' were greedy, ignorant sheep? Or are these the same percentage as usual, the ones that pile into the latest fad and make the real investors rich? We have a messed up society where it is less effort and same reward for trading made-up numbers than starting a new business. Technical trading versus fundamentals I suppose, but it also looks a lot like gambling - I would be interested to see if the long term prospects are any better than betting on the horses! One more thing - how do bitcoin traders fill their day? How do you sufficiently fill your time enough to call this your occupation, as opposed to a well paying hobby?

    1. Re:No other investments worthwhile??? by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      The Japanese central bank prints money to buy bonds and stock, which squeezes out everyone who has to use earned money

  11. Not quite a zero sum game by gnasher719 · · Score: 0

    With bitcoin and all other crypto currencies, the amount of money paid to "investors" equals the amount of money paid by other "investors", minus some inevitable losses, minus all the cost involved with trading. In other words, not even a zero sum game.

    The safest thing is to watch them masturbate from a safe distance and keep your money in your pocket. And should you find a bank lending money for buying crypto currency, avoid that bank.

  12. Or they could have 7. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Youre such bitwhores /.

    WHORES
    WHORES
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    Shame.

  13. Japanese Reactionaries Can Never Block Advance of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apr. 7, Juche 107 (2018) Saturday

    Japanese Reactionaries Can Never Block Advance of DPRK

    Japan, vociferating about the "effectiveness" of its unilateral sanctions against the DPRK, made a decision that all foreign ships entering it should regard it a duty to make "a report on records of portcall on north Korea." It also decided to fine those concerned and inflict legal punishment such as prison sentence on them in case ships which dropped in at Korea enter ports of Japan after concealing the fact.

    It is a useless act which can be made only by the islanders politically ignorant and senseless to the times.

    With no desperate efforts can the Japanese reactionaries ever block the advance of the DPRK.

    Japan is trying to provoke the DPRK through unilateral sanctions while following the U.S. but it is as foolish as trying to pluck a star from the sky.

    We will never allow any slightest act of violating the sovereignty of the country.

    The Japanese reactionaries should seriously pay heed to this warning of the DPRK.

    Ri Hak Nam

  14. Re:Why is /. Obsessed with buttcoins by Whibla · · Score: 2

    Because a few loud mouths spent all their savings on this fraud and want to get their money back.

    The flip side being the people who dabbled (iow 'spent' £10) on them 10 years ago, and cashed out at the end of last year for £200,000.

    I suspect they're pretty happy with their choice...

  15. Come on slasshdoooot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep them bitcoin stories coming in, pappa needs a new car!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  16. Re:Why is /. Obsessed with buttcoins by arth1 · · Score: 0

    The flip side being the people who dabbled (iow 'spent' £10) on them 10 years ago, and cashed out at the end of last year for £200,000.

    I suspect they're pretty happy with their choice...

    Not necessarily, if they are Good People. Because bitcoin doesn't add any intrinsic value, that £199,990 gain came from other people's pockets. Some are undoubtedly fine with taking other people's money, but some are not.

  17. Re:Why is /. Obsessed with buttcoins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the ponzi scheme always pays its engine.. thats how it spreads bro. you only pay some people alot and alot a little

  18. alt-right investors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because a few loud mouths spent all their savings on this fraud and want to get their money back.

    When they are working for minimum wage in their late 70's they may finally realize that they should have voted for Bernie instead of Trump.

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