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Trump Proposes Rejoining Trans-Pacific Partnership (nytimes.com)

According to The New York Times, "President Trump told a gathering of farm state lawmakers and governors on Thursday morning that he was directing his advisers to look into rejoining the multicountry trade deal known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source)." The TPP was a contentious issue during the 2016 presidential election as both Democrats and Republicans attacked it. After signaling during the election that he would pull out of the trade deal "on day one" of his presidency, Trump followed through with his plans. From the report: Rejoining the 11-country pact could be a significant change in fortune for many American industries that stood to benefit from the trade agreement's favorable terms and Republican lawmakers who supported the pact. The deal, which was negotiated by the Obama administration, was largely viewed as a tool to prod China into making the type of economic reforms that the United States and others have long wanted. Both Democrats and Republicans attacked the deal during the president campaign, but many business leaders were disappointed when Mr. Trump withdrew from the agreement, arguing that the United States would end up with less favorable terms attempting to broker an array of individual trade pacts and that scrapping the deal would empower China.

Mr. Trump's decision to reconsider the deal comes as the White House tries to find ways to protect the agriculture sector, which could be badly damaged by the president's trade approach. The risk of an escalating trade war with China has panicked American farmers and ranchers, who send many of their products abroad. China has responded to Mr. Trump's threat of tariffs on as much as $150 billion worth of Chinese goods by placing its own tariffs on American pork, and threatening taxes on soybeans, sorghum, corn and beef. Many American agriculturalists maintain that the easiest way to help them is to avoid a trade war with China in the first place. And many economists say the best way to combat a rising China and pressure it to open its market is through multilateral trade deals like the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which create favorable trading terms for participants.

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  1. Trans pacific nations should say 'no'. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The big orange shit gibbon made his choice, and now he can live with it. That idiot thinks the entire world revolves entirely around him.

    1. Re:Trans pacific nations should say 'no'. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He thought that he could do better deals with each country individually. But those countries prefer a collective deal like TTP, because it stops one country making big demands.

      In other words, they like TTP because it protects them from crappy, one sided Trump-style deals.

      Trump seems to have realised this.

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    2. Re:Trans pacific nations should say 'no'. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The actual SAD thing is that he is a CON MAN with MOB BOSS mentality and has no clue how to run a business, not to mention a country. pff

  2. Ha! hah ah hahahahahhahahaha ha ha ha by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is why I don't worry about President Trump if the democrats recover the house (and in in the unlikely event they recover the senate too).

    He will immediately throw the republican party under the bus to join the winning side.

    He has no principles except, "Make money for Trump", "Avoid russia revealing whatever it is they have on Trump", and "Have affairs with women who look like Ivanka as long as I can get it up."

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  3. What happens when you can't read a page of text by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The entire purpose of TPP was to create a countervailing economic force against China's influence in Asia and the world economy. That was obvious to anyone who read even a few pages about TPP, but of course that's too much to ask of someone who is unwilling to read even a single page of non-bulleted text:

    "Trump said he likes his briefings short, ideally one-page if it's in writing. "I like bullets or I like as little as possible. I don't need, you know, 200-page reports on something that can be handled on a page. That I can tell you."

    1. Re:What happens when you can't read a page of text by king+neckbeard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And that "countervailing force" also happened to enable businesses to force more power into the hands of international conglomerates, away from workers, and away from environmental protections. China is just a scapegoat to allow for that bullshit

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    2. Re:What happens when you can't read a page of text by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yeah, Obama signed on to it because his bosses wanted it. "Obama did it" is generally a BAD thing.

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    3. Re:What happens when you can't read a page of text by goose-incarnated · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The entire purpose of TPP was to create a countervailing economic force against China's influence in Asia and the world economy. That was obvious to anyone who read even a few pages about TPP, but of course that's too much to ask of someone who is unwilling to read even a single page of non-bulleted text: "Trump said he likes his briefings short, ideally one-page if it's in writing. "I like bullets or I like as little as possible. I don't need, you know, 200-page reports on something that can be handled on a page. That I can tell you."

      So you prefer 200-page reports on something that can be handled by a page? Why?

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    4. Re:What happens when you can't read a page of text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Those somethings can't be handled on a page. Trump doesn't do nuance, and nuance abounds. He's THINKS it can be done in a page, but it can't. Maybe 200 pages is too long, but 1 is far too short to cover the topics.

  4. I love... by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...how he thinks the other 11 countries, who went ahead without the US and have completed a deal of their own, are going to suddenly reopen negotiations just because he wants them to.

    1. Re:I love... by Solandri · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The U.S. is a major, in some cases the largest, trading partner with these countries. While a trade agreement among themselves was desirable, the U.S. was and still is the big fish. This isn't like dating, where you can hold a grudge and totally ignore someone who jilted you. There are deep economic ties between these countries which continue to exist with or without a trade agreement, and stand to be improved with a good agreement. They will want to include the U.S. in the trade agreement if the U.S. is willing.

  5. We'll see by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can never predict, from week to week, what his position on something will be. So before we all overreact - either in favor, or against - let's see if this actually is a sign his position is changing, or just another off-the-cuff remark his assistants will be walking back in the next few days.

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  6. Trump is a big sellout ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Trump already knows that TPP is a sellout to our own national interest

    Trump used to criticize TPP as such

    And now Trump wants to sign on to TPP?

    Looks like Trump is preparing to sellout our own national interest, just like the D.C. Swamp

    1. Re:Trump is a big sellout ! by Dorianny · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most "developing" countries have environmental/safety/labor laws in the books, the problem is that they are rarely and selectively enforced, usually because of a incident that made widespread news or simply to hurt company owners backing political rivals.

  7. Re: English by youngone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pretending Democrats have anything to do with anything even remotely left wing is the real crazy here.

  8. Re:TPP vs CPTPP by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I actually read, not the full TPP treaty, but the executive summaries for each section of the treaty, which was still a lot of reading but possible for a person to do in his spare time over a couple of weeks.

    The treaty was a mixed bag, but which parts you consider good or bad depended on where you stood on things like environmental and labor protections, vs. things like stricter intellectual property rules. Take out the stricter IP rules and the treaty looks a lot better to a lot of people.

    Now one thing that's interesting if you look at who was in on the TPP, China isn't included. That's because the whole point of the TPP was to counter the growing influence of China. That's definitely a good thing for the US.

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  9. Re:Hahahahahaha why? by youngone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To be fair, all the other TPP countries heaved a huge sigh of relief when Mr. Trump pulled the US out of the deal, as all the bits that were impossible to sell back home came from the US.
    From what I understand mostly around particularly harsh copyright nonsense. It's hard to know though, because of the secrecy surrounding the whole deal, as if the people involved were ashamed of it or something.

  10. Re: Ha! hah ah hahahahahhahahaha ha ha ha by mark-t · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Of course he might be doing it to impress certain people, but that means that impressing those people is more important to him than that money.

    Which is my point... he clearly cares about other things than just making money for himself, even if the other things he cares about are no less self-serving.

  11. Perspective-dependant by DrYak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The thing is, from the point of view of some countries (mostly European)...

    1. They need environmental standards. No more maxing out pollution to be competitive.
    2. Labor standards. No more practical slaves to be more competitive.

    ...that's exactly how the US looks to us.

    (And you could add "health-safety" as an laternative sub-point to number 1.
    "No more mixing hazardous substance to keep competitive prices".
    From the US perspective : see all the shit that can be mixed into Chinese plastics
    From the EU perspective : see US attempting to reverse some bans against tobacco products).

    And that's where your number 3 kicks in :

    3. Investor-state dispute. People (especially hard-liberals) see companies-able-to-sue-governments and turn on their "burrrr corporations baddd!" brain. But this is exactly what would've been needed in all the cases where China stole US company IP. Or required joint-ventures. Or subsidized and/or spied for their own domestic companies.

    To the US, this looks like an useful tool to sue whole countries like China that don't give a fuck about pollution/health safety/legal quasi-slavery.
    (yeah, and also the bits about patents).

    To the EU, this looks like an open door for corporations to sue European countries which have much higher standards regarding pollution/health safety/legal quasi-slavery. (Again, see precedent of US companies acting against tobacco bans).
    And would also give a way to US companies to complain about controversial IP laws (like software patent. US companies having a way to sue country on IP grounds would open a way to bring more (the non hardware parts) of the H265/HEVC patent madness to Europe).

    1. People who just think globalization is bad because reasons.

    Above are a few example of the reasons.

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