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Google Chrome To Boost User Privacy by Improving Cookies Handling Procedure (bleepingcomputer.com)

Catalin Cimpanu, writing for BleepingComputer: Google engineers plan to improve user privacy and security by putting a short lifespan on cookies delivered via HTTP connections. Google hopes that the move will force website developers and advertisers to send cookies via HTTPS, which "provides significant confidentiality protections against [pervasive monitoring] attacks."

Sending cookies via plaintext HTTP is considered both a user privacy and security risk, as these cookies could be intercepted and even modified by an attacker. Banning the sending of cookies via HTTP is not yet an option, so Chrome engineers hope that by limiting a cookie's lifespan, they would prevent huge troves of user data from gathering inside cookies, or advertisers using the same cookie to track users across different sites.

37 comments

  1. They're cutting out the competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're still using a browser published by an ad company.

    1. Re:They're cutting out the competition by thebryce · · Score: 1

      mod parent up!

    2. Re:They're cutting out the competition by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      The ads are now direct and more encrypted :)

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    3. Re:They're cutting out the competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one welcome our new I.T. closet cleaner privacy overlord.

    4. Re: They're cutting out the competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, and forcing all advertisers to pay them for their adsense cookie for cross site info. A true sign of a monopoly using what might cone off as the right move for their own gain.

        I still dont know why we donâ(TM)t have site-sandboxed cookies within the browser where the user can adjust between static subdomains to temporary individual pages.

    5. Re: They're cutting out the competition by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      Someone just built one for FaceBook, on FireFox.

    6. Re:They're cutting out the competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean seriously... Even the department line gets it.

      Luckily there's still chromium, at least.

  2. Just let us have cookie control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let us manage cookies without making us have extensions and let us choose which sites are allowed to have cookies. All web browsers have been crippling their cookie management recently.

  3. Re: AC To Boost Visibility By Improving FP Procedu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I tip le fedora in your general direction, good sir!

  4. Easy way to boost privacy by Moldiver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Easy way to boost privacy - Stop using Chrome and google services...

    1. Re:Easy way to boost privacy by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      and for starters, replace DNS servers 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 with 1.1.1.1 / 1.0.0.1 ...

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    2. Re:Easy way to boost privacy by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Easy way to boost privacy - Stop using Chrome and google services...

      Depends on what you mean by privacy. There are people I trust with my data. There are many more that I don't. Just because I use Chrome and Google Services doesn't mean I don't want a secure method of communicating with people, them specifically.

    3. Re:Easy way to boost privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From one massive surveillance to another? How about you kick your ISP in their nuts if the native DNS they provide are not faster than those you quoted? There is no reason for the ISP DNS servers being slower than any 3rd party. Apart from incompetence.

  5. https by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    Google has been pushing https a lot already, for a few years, and cookies exchanged over an https site are secure. Websites using http to send/set/read session (...) cookies deserve to be hacked.

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    1. Re:https by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone might want to tell Valve that considering it's exactly what Steam does. They've thus far ignored me in the 3+ years I've tried telling them, including providing attack examples.

      The issue with cookies is less http vs https and more Chrome castrated cookie handling in general. The interface itself is _horrid_.

    2. Re:https by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are other use cases for cookies besides login that aren't sensitive. Granted local storage and session storage were meant to replace them, but we can't rewrite the entire web every 3 years because google felt like it.

  6. I have altered the deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  7. Aren't cookies essentially obsolete? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're an out dated tracking technology from the 90's.... even main stream radio shows like "kim komando" have programs talking about how companies like apple and google use far more sophisticated tracking tech that we all know we can't opt out of.

  8. Cookies are obsolete now. Fingerprinting is in. by denis-The-menace · · Score: 2

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=brow...

    When chrome is able to evade browser fingerprinting, we'll talk.

    Is there even a browser out there that does this?

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    1. Re:Cookies are obsolete now. Fingerprinting is in. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Is there any company that actually uses browser fingerprinting? I haven't seen it used anywhere (but obv that doesn't mean it's unused). Other methods are still too practical, and easier to work with.

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    2. Re:Cookies are obsolete now. Fingerprinting is in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i would gladly build from source to roll in gh patches providing that functionality for ffox v52 releases!

    3. Re:Cookies are obsolete now. Fingerprinting is in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Other methods are still too practical, and easier to work with.

      "if its possible, its already being used against you" -- is not a paranoid but an informed matter-of-fact statement. have you not paid attention over the last 20+ years?

    4. Re:Cookies are obsolete now. Fingerprinting is in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there even a browser out there that does this?

      Tor Browser Bundle with javascript disabled goes a long ways.

      Whichever browser you use, DISABLE FUCKING JAVASCRIPT BY DEFAULT. It is a massive security and privacy clusterfuck.

  9. Then your router/printer deserves to be hacked by tepples · · Score: 1

    Websites using http to send/set/read session (...) cookies deserve to be hacked.

    Does this include of your home router, printer, or NAS box? The login page of home network devices like these probably uses cleartext HTTP because several usability problems with running a private HTTPS server still have not been solved for less-technical users.

    In mainstream web browsers, the warning for a cleartext HTTP connection is still not as scary as the warning for an HTTPS certificate from an unknown issuer. And when displaying this warning, mainstream web browsers make no distinction among the same subnet on a home LAN, the same subnet on a coffee shop LAN, and the public Internet. This makes the "trust on first use" model of SSH, where the user is expected to compare the key fingerprint presented to the client with the fingerprint presented out of band, less practical.

    Most home users aren't technical enough to operate a private certificate authority, install its root certificate into the trusted certificate repository of each browser on each device that they use, and issue a certificate to each of these home network appliances. Nor are most home users technical enough to find one of the few gratis DDNS providers that is on the Public Suffix List and set up an automated integration with both the DDNS provider and Let's Encrypt.

  10. Chrome privacy? by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 1


    Ohhhhh, google means they are the only one to store, sell and analyse the data.

    "privacy" -Gotcha!

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  11. Fake threats vs actual threats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's like every day is a Zuckerberg hearing where cross site stalking of Internet users is justified by invoking "security" without the whole room breaking out in laughter.

    Are we actually expected to care tracking bugs designed to stalk us might be leveraged by other stalkers? Chrome itself is loaded with Google malware that spies on its users.

    I do not support breaking HTTP in the name of security. Reduced complexity and permission requirements needed for HTTP make it valuable hedge against attempts to leverage DNS and PKI as a means of censorship.

  12. Re: Cookies are obsolete now. Fingerprinting is in by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    That's a nice, pithy statement, but it's not really accurate. For example, it's possible to throw bricks through my living room window but so far that hasn't been used against me.

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  13. Chromium or Brave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, although Chromium is fine (and is engineered way better than Firefox), provided you don't turn on telemetry. I'm partial to Brave, which uses a Chromium base but with additional security features.

  14. Browser fingerprinting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fingerprinting is the most sophisticated tracking technology today, though it still isn't mainstream. EFF, Brave and others are working on developing technologies against it. The best defense presently is to block tracking scripts. Hopefully they come up with better defenses later.

    The other thing is most of the web is moving heavily towards mobile, and companies are pushing users into dedicated apps. If you're engaging with a service via its app, cookies and fingerprinting and scripts and tracking code all don't matter since you're just giving the service a direct line into your device via the app. It's a good idea to keep your devices free from any software and apps you don't actually need and use your (secured) browser as often as possible.

  15. Brave and fingerprinting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Brave has an anti-fingerprinting feature that attempts to control or confuse access to canvass, WebGL, and a few other things. It's not perfect but it works pretty decently. Brave still isn't ready for prime time, though. The desktop version is in beta. Mobile works, but with some limitations.

  16. Re: Cookies are obsolete now. Fingerprinting is in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why waste good bricks :D

  17. Re: Cookies are obsolete now. Fingerprinting is in by EndlessNameless · · Score: 2

    For example, it's possible to throw bricks through my living room window but so far that hasn't been used against me.

    That's a nice, pithy example, but it's not really relevant. There is no benefit to throwing bricks through your living room window, but there are well-established means of monetizing user data.

    This is especially true since fingerprinting can offer data that cookies don't. For example, fingerprinting may expose a user who has cleared his cookies, switched browsers to segregate his activity, or used Incognito Mode. Fingerprinting can link an unknown/new user to a preexisting cookie or advertising profile in some cases. It circumvents existing privacy measures and exposes information that was never available before.

    It is both bad and difficult to stop. Most fingerprinting metrics are exposed by the browser because they were useful to web developers for legitimate reasons. Almost any attempt to stop fingerprinting will break something else. Legal prohibitions are probably necessary, and even that won't stop some people.

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  18. Even easier method by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

    Delete your cookies every night. Clear everything so you start fresh in the morning.

    Make web sites and advertisers work to figure out who you are.

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    1. Re:Even easier method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are super cookies which can't be deleted. Better tip is to uninstall every night, then re-install again to clear all types of cookies.

  19. Software freedom boosts privacy by jbn-o · · Score: 1

    Actually the browser's author or what that author does is both inaccurate (Google is not just about advertising) and irrelevant. If Google Chrome were published as free software—software that respected a user's freedom to run, inspect, modify, and share published software—users could inspect the source code, change what they didn't like, run the variant they prefer, and share their improved version. Users don't have these freedoms with Google Chrome, Chrome is proprietary (nonfree, user-subjugating) software.

    So users have to decide to reject the software or have blind faith that Google will do right by them and believe that it is in Google's interest to "boost user privacy" at all. The mechanism by which Google purports to do this is irrelevant because Google got to where it is by spying on and censoring users. Proprietary software is often malware and Google's proprietary software is no exception.

  20. Come on Google, do better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear Google, it's not your internet. Stop fucking with the browser and the protocols to force more of the internet ecosystem into your monopolistic business services.

    Dear DoJ, wake the fuck up! It's long past time you dragged Google over the coals for their Daily Do Evil. You punished Microsoft for far less - Microsoft didn't actively remove User Choice they just installed Internet Explorer as the default browser on their own operating system.

    That said web sites don't have any business pushing out cookies that expire in years instead of days or hours. In addition to that there are plenty of web sites in the Alexa Top 1000 list that publish way more cookies than they really ought to - one site I tested had 63 Set-Cookie headers in its GET / HTTP/1.1 response... what the fuck?