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A Coal Power Plant is Being Reopened For Blockchain Mining (cnet.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Sure, you could mine bitcoin on that old PC in your garage, or you could use a whole power station to do it. That's the idea behind the Blockchain Application Centre -- an Aussie tech initiative that will see one of the country's now-shuttered coal-fired power plants reopened to provide cheap power for blockchain applications. It's the work of Australian tech company IOT Group, which has partnered with local power company Hunter Energy on the project. According to The Age, Hunter Energy will recommission the Redbank power station in the Hunter Valley, two hours drive north of Sydney. Once the power plant is reopened (expected to be completed within 12 months), it will offer wholesale or "pre-grid" power prices to blockchain companies, allowing them to do things like mining cryptocurrencies, without having to pay retail power prices.

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  1. Yay Coal Power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So not onlly are we going to waste tons of electricity, we're going to pollute now too.

    1. Re:Yay Coal Power by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Funny

      So not onlly are we going to waste tons of electricity, we're going to pollute now too.

      Coal is the future. Coal powered power stations, coal powered cars, coal powered politicians. Dissing coal will get you sent to the gulag.

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    2. Re:Yay Coal Power by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Next, we’re going to bulldoze the rainforest and plant tulips there.

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    3. Re:Yay Coal Power by lgw · · Score: 2

      At least the South Seas scam served a purpose - it was cooked up to refinance government debt, not that different in practice from state lotteries now that I think about it.

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  2. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is so pointless. All that energy, and all those computing resources, for nothing. What the hell is wrong with people?

    1. Re:Why? by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      That's certainly true... but it was stupid the last time, it's stupid this time, and it'll be stupid next time. What exactly is your point?

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    2. Re:Why? by klingens · · Score: 2

      It's not totally pointless, at least for the power company. Economically it's great.
      Coal plants are awful in the current fast energy market: if you want to deliver power tomorrow at 11am, you better start firing the boiler now or it won't happen.
      If you however have a always running baseload from the bitcoin mining, you can immediately react to fluctuating power needs by simply turning off the miners, or at least hibernate them. You cannot power up or down a coal power plant in seconds but you can do this with mining rigs.

      It makes the coal plant economically usable as a fast reaction power plant, to deliver when power is in demand and highly priced.
      Ecologically however, it's of course a total catastrophe.

    3. Re:Why? by kenh · · Score: 2

      This is so pointless. All that energy, and all those computing resources, for nothing. What the hell is wrong with people?

      Are you talking about Crypto Currencies or Candy Crush?

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  3. God damn it by jwhyche · · Score: 5, Insightful

    God damn it, this fucking insanity has to stop. Not only has it impacted my ability to upgrade to a bitch'n graphics card but now they want to poison the air I breath for this shit?

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    1. Re:God damn it by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have to say that I am disgusted by this.
      We really need to stop ALL new coal plants, or re-openings, from occurring. That should include ALL NATIONS.

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    2. Re:God damn it by indy · · Score: 2

      There is two ways out of this. One is Bitcoin depreciating substantially, making mining less profitable. The other is having an alternative market for compute power that pays better. Projects such as Golem and (this author's very own) BitWrk are trying to achieve this.

    3. Re:God damn it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you think the reactions to this are based on left/right leanings, you may need to check your inner humanity. Polluting the every loving hell out of the Earth because you see a get-rich-quick scheme in front of you should be something we all mock, mercilessly, for the idiotic benchmark of greed mixed with stupidity that it is. I have to believe that anyone that doesn't understand that is lacking a fundamental ability to think through consequences.

    4. Re:God damn it by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Are not coal plants heavily regulated for filters? It may release more CO2, but that isn't "polluting the hell" out of anything.

      Today's filters do a good job of straining out particulates, but you still have gases. Not just the ever-popular CO2, but NOx and SO2, the stuff that creates smog in the Grand Canyon from Arizona's last remaining coal plant.

    5. Re:God damn it by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      Because an "alternative market for compute power that pays better" would just make even more money for this coal plant, I have a better idea: put the NSA to work on breaking the Bitcoin system itself, either the mining part or the blockchain part, to crash its value. Let mobsters kill each other over their suddenly emptied stores of value while millions of GPUs suddenly become available for cheap.

    6. Re:God damn it by WindBourne · · Score: 2

      no, just tax the import from their nation. Simple as that.

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  4. Re:Bitcoin, a Leftist phenomenon by supremebob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bitcoin seems to be more loved by the Libertarian sect, which doesn't seem to give a damn about environmental causes and thinks that polluting businesses should "self regulate" themselves. Yeah... because that worked so well back in the 1950's and 60's.

  5. Massive carbon tax would fix this by presidenteloco · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's too bad Australia seems to be run by fossils these days though, so that won't happen.

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    1. Re:Massive carbon tax would fix this by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Funny

      What do you mean these days? We were always proud of being in the big leagues of Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, and the USofA when it comes to CO2 emssions per capita.

      Sure we've dropped the ball the last 4 years but we want to retake our place above the USA.

  6. Dirty money by HeckRuler · · Score: 4, Funny

    Huh, is this some sort of competition to find the dirtiest of money?

  7. A new parameter for the Drake Equation by sinij · · Score: 4, Funny

    A think we need to update Drake equation and add a parameter for crypto mining.

    1. Re:A new parameter for the Drake Equation by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

      A think we need to update Drake equation and add a parameter for crypto mining.

      I didn't know he was into Math, but Drake might have to collect his Spotify royalties with a bitcoin wallet in the future:

      That means musicians like Drake, Justin Bieber, and Rihanna, who were Spotify’s most streamed artists last year, need to get comfortable with the idea that their royalties are going to be tracked on a blockchain—and maybe even paid out on one—before the fantasy of music on the blockchain takes shape.

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  8. INFINTE FACEPALM by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This has got to be the most pants-on-head retarded nonsense I've heard yet. Is Australia vying for the title of 'most fucked up' with Florida or something?

  9. Re:Oh right, the power question by danbert8 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm not a huge fan of coal and reactivating this plant for digital jerking off is about the stupidest thing humanity can do. But you can only get to "millions" of innocent people if you make some serious extrapolations and assumptions of lung afflictions and global warming causing mass deaths. Meanwhile on the other side of the equation is the "save a buck" which has a very measurable impact on saving lives in 3rd world countries. More people in the world die due to lack of access to electricity than due to any pollution side effects of electricity production.

    In fact, people in poor countries are so desperate for cheap fossil fuels that there are tragic mass deaths as people try to scavenge spilled gasoline from tanker trucks where they go in risking their lives for a cooking pot worth of fuel.

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  10. Hilarious by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

    "We techies are so very environmentally responsib ... ooh, shiny bitcoin!"

  11. Re:The silver lining available here by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

    1) That's a bad thing. The NICE part of bitcoin is that it's distributed. It's a feature!

    2) It's WASTE heat dude.

    But sure, they've been trying to harvest waste heat from power plants. I've heard some interesting ideas about using the heat gradient as a sterling engine and turning it into vibrations then converting that back into power.

    They need to think about how to co-locate thermal power intensive industries.

    They're going to co-locate where the damn coal is cheap. Where the land is cheap. Where the employees are cheap. Or do you think having a cheap bread baking oven is going to offset the cost of running a RAIL ROAD LINE from the coal mine to the coal plant? It's great that you're thinking about efficiencies. But this is a general issue with power plants that has been around a long time and there's a whole field of education dedicated to this stuff. It's like commenting that maybe NASA should think about how much air resistance rockets have to deal with.

  12. Re:Utter stupidity by war4peace · · Score: 2

    Yeah, like gaming is 10 times better...

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  13. Re:Does Not Compute by KeensMustard · · Score: 2
    Well yes.

    A closer read of the article reveals that the idea (and it is still an idea) was conceived by an entrepreneur who, you guessed it, has a financial sake in getting that particular coal plant restarted.

    Coal power in Australia is not competitive, for the reasons you state: a trade deal with China makes panels cheap, and unused land is cheap and there is sunlight going free. Even this plan is part of broader plan to transition to solar on site at the coal plant.

    In Australia we are treated to the curious sight of having right wing 'economic dry' conservatives attempting to socialize the production of power to build coal plants because private industry - to whom they sold the plants, won't build more and keep shuttering old ones.