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Yahoo's New Privacy Policy Allows Data-Sharing With Verizon (cnet.com)

"Yahoo is now part of Oath and there is a new Privacy and Terms contract..." warns long-time Slashdot reader DigitalLogic. CNET reports: Oath notes that it has the right to read your emails, instant messages, posts, photos and even look at your message attachments. And it might share that data with parent company Verizon, too... When you dig further into Oath's policy about what it might do with your words, photos, and attachments, the company clarifies that it's utilizing automated systems that help the company with security, research and providing targeted ads -- and that those automated systems should strip out personally identifying information before letting any humans look at your data. But there are no explicit guarantees on that.
The update also warns that Oath is now "linking your activity on other sites and apps with information we have about you, and providing anonymized and/or aggregated reports to other parties regarding user trends." For example, Oath "may analyze user content around certain interactions with financial institutions," and "leverages information financial institutions are allowed to send over email."

Oath does offer a "Privacy Controls" page which includes a "legacy" AOL link letting you opt-out of internet-based advertising that's been targeted "based on your online activities" -- but it appears to be functioning sporadically.

CNET also reports that now Yahoo users are agreeing to a class-action waiver and mutual arbitration. "What it means is if you don't like what the company does with your data, you'll have a hard time suing."

38 comments

  1. Slowly the frog boils by Grand+Facade · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Slowly the frog boils

    although not so slowly lately

    Very Orwellian.

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    1. Re:Slowly the frog boils by geekmux · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Slowly the frog boils

      although not so slowly lately

      Very Orwellian.

      Believe me, it's still a slow boil.

      There aren't enough users who give a shit about their privacy no matter what company gets dragged in front of Congress next. Edward Snowden certainly didn't impact change regarding privacy and social media use. Neither will any privacy-crushing revelations as more and more companies are scrutinized. 1 in 10 Americans deleted their Facebook accounts in the last month? Fucking please. There are more dead people on Facebook than that so-called major shift in social media use.

  2. Disrespect to protect Stock Price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And no one was warned so if you didn't want your data pilfered you didn't have a chance to delete it beforehand. Not that deleting it doesn't mean they won't scan their backups and data mine that, but at least you would have gotten to feel like you protected yourself.

    Now the only hope you have is to never login again and thus you've never accepted the new terms so you're not bound by them and technically they can't apply their new permissions to your account. But good luck trying to win that in court.

    ToS and similar contracts are so fucked up. It should be illegal to change them without prior approval.

  3. They kicked me out anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I had a yahoo email account for decades ; about a half-decade back they forced me to have a "recovery email address", I provided a fake one and it was fine.
    For years, they asked for my phone number every time I logged in, to "improve my security" or whatever.
    Now after "Oath" is running the show, they don't allow me to log in. They want me to check the recovery email address, which doesn't exist.
    A shame : I can't even go in there and delete things.

    I should have known better and deleted everything before it was too late. But I had all my accounts like ebay, amazon etc. tied in here.
    Now it's clear that Yahoo is your enemy, just like gmail, failbook and others.

    1. Re:They kicked me out anyway by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Aol is pushing a recovery ph number, still optional. I presume they are lying and that the real reason is so they can tie together disparate tracking databases.

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    2. Re:They kicked me out anyway by antdude · · Score: 1

      Signing up new AIM account before AOL shut it down required phone numbers for validations.

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  4. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like Google, then? Using our info for the highest profit.

    As a totally unrelated side note, there is this cool thing called ProtonMail...

    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sign_up_for_every_boring_mailing_list_you_can!_My_favorites_are_financial,_let_the_bots_read_into_that!

    2. Re:So... by nazsco · · Score: 1

      google (gmail,maps,etc) shares data with alphabet(ads).

      instagram/whatsapp shares data with facebook.

      OnStar shares data with your car manufacturer.

      Its just a case of X shares data with X's owner.

      If you don't know which company you are really doing business with, that is the main problem.

    3. Re:So... by nazsco · · Score: 1

      and forgot: CNET shares data with CBS

    4. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just like Google, worse than Google, because not being evil isn't a consideration.

      Full disclosure, I own some VZ stock, in part because I think they are primed to start making a lot of money due to this and other tracking.

  5. yahoo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People still use this company? Last I checked they couldn't even do search right and had to piggy back bing.

    1. Re:yahoo? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      People still use this company? Last I checked they couldn't even do search right and had to piggy back bing.

      I still seem to be subscribed to a couple of mailing lists from egroups that Yahoo bought out, unluckily I have no idea how to log on to Yahoo due to not even knowing the user name, little well a password. The mailing lists chug along sending me mail over pop and it is easy to ignore the ads at the bottom due to using a text mode mail program.
      It's a problem with most of these companies, you sign up with one and before you know it, its been bought out by a bigger one and then bought out again, each time usually with more draconian policies.

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  6. completely shocked I tell you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...said nobody.

  7. AOL Email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AOL Email is on Yahoo servers

  8. Why use Yahoo mail? by schwit1 · · Score: 1

    Other than being too lazy to switch to an email only provider that doesn't treat you as the product.

    1. Re: Why use Yahoo mail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's turn it around... How do I make sure none of my users are exposed to parts of the internet with such abysmal standards.

      Does a geoblock type of database exist for known bad actors in the data protection sphere?

    2. Re:Why use Yahoo mail? by WoodstockJeff · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't, except... My yahoo address is easily associated with me, personally. I'd delete it entirely, ... except that gives them permission to re-issue it to someone else, who could easily impersonate me.

  9. Yahoo any more by jwhyche · · Score: 2

    Who uses Yahoo any more? After that big ass data breach I figured most smart people would close any accounts they had there.

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    1. Re:Yahoo any more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      True. But there is a big picture here that we must not miss.

      ALL forms of communication are monitored. Significantly and increasingly by private businesses with a profit motive, as well as by government investigators (who probably have a profit motive to, to which they won't admit, since everybody has a profit motive). Neither of these parties cares about you, or the harmful impact their monitoring might have on you.

      GMail does this and has since its inception. If you go with a private, pay-for email provider that promises not to monitor, they can't escape the fact that the data is moving over the Internet, hopping from server to server, being monitored.

      Your cell phone calls are monitored. All your social media is monitored.

      If privacy is important to you, you MUST fall back to paper mail with manual encryption. It's the only way, and THAT isn't even very good.

    2. Re:Yahoo any more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a caveat to this law though.

      Voice providers, because they are sending data, are also liable. Cell Providers are liable. E-mail, chat messaging platforms, cloud providers....

      Who's using the internet to get hookers?

      Mostly rich people with money to burn, high-lifers, and politicians.

      Who do you think Yahoo is going to target? And what do you think the prostitutes are going to do, having used cell phones, when some big politician gives them a hard time or they just don't like the policy?

      The government has all of the evidence locked away in NSA data stores. They legislate there's no encryption. And now you're going to go after tech companies and tell them how to do their business and expect them to just not use that leverage to not just slander. You have hard evidence. You can put people in jail.

      If this law is effective, there's going to be lots and lots of handcuffs for rich folks.

      If not, then in a few years, the supreme court will shoot it down on principal alone.

    3. Re: Yahoo any more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nice punctuation, bitch.

    4. Re:Yahoo any more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gmail doesn't scan email anymore. Try to stay up-to-date, dear.

    5. Re:Yahoo any more by antdude · · Score: 1

      Lots of people still do. Even if you close them, Yahoo! and Verizon still have your datas. :(

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    6. Re:Yahoo any more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what about smart people's grandparents?

  10. Get used to it. This is the new norm. by RhettLivingston · · Score: 2

    Automated, at least, reading of all internet message traffic including your email is implicitly required by FOSTA (or any other law that makes services liable for their traffic contents). Yahoo and Verizon are criminally and civilly liable if anyone is using their system to enable or arrange any aspect of sex for money.

    If someone were killed in a meetup and the investigation afterward indicated any portion of the meetup had been enabled by their email system, as an involved entity with deep pockets, they are going to get hit up in a civil case. Period.

    It is the civil portion that scares these companies the most because prosecutorial discretion won't save them from at least occurring big legal fees. There is an army of attorneys gearing up to make money off of this law.

    Yahoo has to be able to prove that they have taken measures to at least try to prevent the use of their system to arrange sex for money trades or coordinate trafficking and the language used in the emails that get through had better be "coded" language that they can reasonably argue a trained person would not have picked up, much less a trained AI.

    All online message traffic of all media types will soon be censored by the big guys and the little guys without resources to do so will simply be forced out of business. That is what all regulation does and why the big guys actually like it though they pretend to fight it.

    1. Re:Get used to it. This is the new norm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I won't get used to it. Stop being so defeatist.

      That's the real reason why you get fucked over all the time. You choose to bend over and take it. If you actually gave a crap and stopped with the "Dropping my pants now, sir." Maybe this crap would stop. But it definitely won't as long as you and everyone else keeps bending over.

      All online message traffic of all media types will soon be censored by the big guys and the little guys without resources to do so will simply be forced out of business. That is what all regulation does and why the big guys actually like it though they pretend to fight it.

      No, that's what poorly written / kneejerk reactionary regulation does. Proper and well thought out regulation doesn't do that, and can actually benefit everyone. But such regulation takes time and effort to implement, in addition to requiring an ability to realize when proper regulation is already on the books, but needs better enforcement, or when no regulation is actually required.

      Unfortunately, we have a bunch of idiot voters who care more about the politician's looking like they have done something, rather than care about proper governance.

  11. I still use yahoo mail... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    it's no worse than gmail from my point of view. I have both and prefer yahoo. Where else should I go? Been using it since the beginning... had many email providers, paid and unpaid. All have gone away except yahoo and gmail. Been on slashdot since 1997, but still an AC.

  12. So is that job done for Melissa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    finally gets her huge pay off for removing the name yahoo from existence. Well done!

  13. System run amok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shameless data-mining pigs in a system where there is no accountability. Even if there wasn't an ad-framework in place, they would still justify doing this as a means of control and power. Leave it to the elite to continue to abuse their privilege unfettered by law or morality.

  14. no database deletes records by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do know that any decent DB designer, never deletes data, as this fragments data stores.
    The smart way is to just have delete flag, that will not fragment/cause index issues.
    Nothing is deleted, just marked as ghosted. Storage is cheap.

  15. all marriages involve money for sex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Groom pays for wedding, and food and presents, and holidays.
    Part of that transaction in return involves sex from the wife for years in return.

    Might as well ban all wedding websites/books/amazon.

  16. I thought that Yahoo by brucekeller · · Score: 1

    Basically just owns shares of Alibaba at this point as the main source of their value. I mean do they do anything else relevant?

  17. I closed my email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had the same yahoo email since it started, now it is closed. They wanted more, they will get nothing.

  18. Big Brother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The simple fact of the matter in the modern age where "ALL" of our communication (banking, credit cards, friends, entertainment, etc, etc) is done electronically and through big companies whose only objective is profit and whose main source of that profit is advertising and selling client information we have given away our power. The only way to remain private is to not use email, not purchase anything online, not do any financial transaction online...etc, etc...Which is actually impossible. Big Brother has us hog tied and under control...