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Facebook Competitor Orkut Relaunches as 'Hello' (bloombergquint.com)
An anonymous reader quotes Bloomberg:
In 2004, one of the world's most popular social networks, Orkut, was founded by a former Google employee named Orkut Buyukkokten... Orkut was shut down by Google in 2014, but in its heyday, the network had hit 300 million users around the world... "Hello.com is a spiritual successor of Orkut.com," Buyukkokten told BloombergQuint...
"People have lost trust in social networks and the main reason is social media services today don't put the users first. They put advertisers, brands, third parties, shareholders before the users," Buyukkokten said. "They are also not transparent about practices. The privacy policy and terms of services are more like black boxes. How many users actually read them?"
Buyukkokten said users need to be educated about these things and user consent is imperative in such situations when data is shared by such platforms. "On Hello, we do not share data with third parties. We have our own registration and login and so the data doesn't follow you anywhere," he said. "You don't need to sell user data in order to be profitable or make money."
Buyukkokten said users need to be educated about these things and user consent is imperative in such situations when data is shared by such platforms. "On Hello, we do not share data with third parties. We have our own registration and login and so the data doesn't follow you anywhere," he said. "You don't need to sell user data in order to be profitable or make money."
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Their app is badly broken right now. I've been trying for the last week to sign up, no dice.
Posting my status updates and photos into yet another company's database doesn't appeal in the slightest. Put aside for the moment that they could be bought up and have their privacy policy changed. The inevitable data breach will expose my data in the end. There's a lot of talk about how Facebook sells our data to third parties. But how about why they are keeping it for so long in the first place?
Their pledge is "user first", but the relevant method to forecast privacy behavior beyond words is economy: who pays?
It's not even a site... hello.com only talks about downloading some fucking "app". I have no phone. This is bullshit. And not a word about it in the summary... Retarded news.
Jerry!! Hello!!
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Hullo zeeba neighba.
If only you knew how close you were.
The next time I create a social media account it will be on a server that I built that lives in my house, using open distributed transfer protocols.
Like Mastodon, only not so gay.
Unfortunate deployment method. It refuses to be available unless I install it on a smartphone, but I must get a download link by sending an SMS text. If I go to an app store for software that's been vetted as safe to install, I counted eight diferent apps named "Hello" before I gave up trying to find a safe version of their software.
Yet.
Eventually they all sell your data. There's just too much money at stake.
The trademark folks at Ello.co might want to have a word with them.
That it eventually got shut down, and nobody cared.
#DeleteChrome
There are several competitors that are fighting to be the new facebook. I looked at several of them and they are already getting traction. I like the look of MeWe best so far but I'm keeping my eye on a few of the others.
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K
This time around they are thinking BIG - shooting for 3 concurrent users!
Really?
Again?
I thought we were Pastis.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
The idea of a centralized service for building social networks is intrinsically defective. Social networks should be distributed, with no single point of failure or control, no single point to monetize users, and no single point to compromise privacy. What we need if we really care about privacy and individual control is some combination of web-of-trust, digital signatures, blockchain, and peer to peer networking.
There is no web version of it to use on a computer.
If I'm sitting in front of my computer already, I don't want to have to use my phone just to access a site.
IRC* is still here.
With distributed servers and no ads at all.
Have fun.
AC
* Internet Relay Chat
Available only as a smartphone app.
There's likely a reason for that; to get permissions it would not get on a PC. No thanks.
That should tell you all you need to know about this site- phone-number-keyed data.
We had coffee and crème brulée last night at Pastis. Nice place.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
If you're looking for a new social network that really does respect your privacy, try http://www.foxsake.com/ .
I can't find it on hello.com, but Google can:
https://hello.com/policy/privacy/
(excerpt)
Information that We Share with Third Parties
We will not share any PII that we have collected from or regarding you except as described below:
Information Shared with Other Account Holders. As part of our Services, any Account holder may view your profile information, which includes your name, gender, location of interest and profile picture. You may also choose to share additional information, such as age or birthday. Your email address and phone number will never be shared with others as part of your profile information. Any Account holder may also view your public posts. As part of our Services, you can directly communicate with other Account holders, whether you are connected with them or not. The content of your communications will be visible and available to those Account holders with whom you communicate. For example, the phone number you provide to create your Account is not shared with other Account holders when you connect with them, unless you decide to share it by providing the number yourself in a communication with another user. We encourage you to use your good judgment for your communications and not post any private or sensitive information.
Information Shared with Our Services Providers. We may engage third-party services providers to work with us to administer and provide the Services or to respond to your questions and inquiries. These third-party services providers have access to your PII only for the purpose of performing services on our behalf.
Information Shared with Third Parties. We may share aggregated information and non-identifying information with third parties for industry research and analysis, demographic profiling and other similar purposes.
Information Disclosed in Connection with Business Transactions. Information that we collect from our users, including PII, is considered to be a business asset. Thus, if we are acquired by a third party as a result of a transaction such as a merger, acquisition or asset sale or if our assets are acquired by a third party in the event we go out of business or enter bankruptcy, some or all of our assets, including your PII, may be disclosed or transferred to a third party acquirer in connection with the transaction.
Information Disclosed for Our Protection and the Protection of Others. It is our policy to protect you from having your privacy violated through abuse of the legal system, whether by individuals, entities or government, and to contest claims that we believe to be invalid under applicable law. However, it is also our policy to cooperate with government and law enforcement officials and private parties to enforce and comply with the law. We may disclose any information about you to government or law enforcement officials or private parties as we, in our sole discretion, believe necessary or appropriate: (i) to respond to claims or the legal process (including subpoenas); (ii) to protect our property, rights and safety and the property, rights and safety of a third party or the public in general; and (iii) to stop any activity that we consider illegal, unethical or legally actionable activity.
Your Choices
We offer you choices regarding the collection, use and sharing of your PII and weÃââll respect the choices you make. Please note that if you decide not to provide us with the PII that we request, you may not be able to access all of the features of the Services.
Alerts and Notifications. As part of the Services we provide, you may (if enabled) receive push notifications, text messages, alerts, emails, or other types of messages directly sent to you outside or inside the App (ÃâÅ"Push MessagesÃâÂ). You have control over the Push Messages settings, and can opt in or out of these Push Messages through the Services (with the possible exception of infrequent, important service announcements and administrative messages). Please be aware that third party messagin
The only way to play, it seems, is to download an "app." There's no web interface.
Complete non-starter for me. Hard pass.
...and city channel moderator, I'll say this: it won't work. People left Orkut to get on Facebook for a reason. If you never used it, think about MySpace rebranding itself and trying to become relevant once again.
Will this guy fuck the Zuck? Tune in at 11 for news.
I think at this point it's clear that any social site simply can not be made and housed in and by America, because they will all degrade into the same thing -- a money-making business that feeds all private and personal details to both businesses and American intelligence services.
People have lost trust in social media, but we're not like the others! I call bullshit on this.
A true spiritual successor to Orkut would be called Olá.
Facebook competitor? LOL
Facebook has successfully established itself as the defacto social media monopoly. Also rans such as Twitter, Instagram(Facebook), SnapChat(LOL) COMBINED pale in comparison to Facebook.
Orkut/Hello aren't even close to being a competitor.
Getting really tired of what ought to be a standard web interface demanding instead that I must install their special "app". I *do* have a phone, but I still don't want yet another special "app" running in the background for just one more special website.
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hello.jpg should be the default user picture on Hello.
The site tries to load a script from facebook.net - no thanks.
Thank you to uMatrix.
Regis says hello...
While true that's an incredibly weak criticism of Hello (nee Orkut). In time that could change, and this critique would suggest that somehow makes Hello worth considering.
A more thoroughgoing critique is that Hello just another central-point-of-censorship/tracker regardless of what their current terms of service and/or developer promises say. Switching from Facebook to this or some workalike is switching masters or switching parties who spy on you, not getting away from being spied upon. Google's saying used to be "Don't be evil" but as far as we know Google always spied on their users, Google distributes proprietary malware, and Google pushes other central/single-point-of-censorship services that could be done in a privacy and freedom-respecting way (such as free software-based, decentralized, real-time chat). The fix for this is possible but not in line with any business built to be yet-another spying service. This a far better reason to reject Hello and to reject anything else with the same centralized architecture.
Digital Citizen
Bye
And if they value privacy why do they require an email or phone number to sign up?
Through what other means do you expect users to receive a synchronizer token to reset their authentication credentials?
IRC has that, it’s called hyperlinks to whatever you want( its up to the client to implement tho)
To what server would the client upload said media in order to produce a hyperlink? IRC server software distributions tend not to bundle a file drop for use by the server's members. This means each user has to lease web hosting for the file drop.
I will admit that IRC lacks ( at last most networks) a server side chat history but thst is a limitation that will dissapeer if enugh users wantit I think.
ZNC is one popular example of an IRC proxy program called a "bouncer" that remains connected to an IRC server and saves chat history on behalf of a user so that the user can view it once he reconnects to the bouncer. But IRC server software distributions tend not to bundle a bouncer for use by the server's members. This means each user has to lease a shell account for the bouncer.
Not available in my country (one of the larger European countries) and only has a app but not a website. Worthless.