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Is It Time To Stop Using Social Media? (counterpunch.org)

Slashdot reader Nicola Hahn writes: Bulk data collection isn't the work of a couple of bad apples. Corporate social media is largely predicated on stockpiling and mining user information. As Zuckerberg explained to lawmakers, it's their business model...

While Zuckerberg has offered public apologias, spurring genuine regulation will probably be left to the public. Having said that, confronting an economic sector which makes up one of the country's largest political lobbying blocks might not be a tenable path in the short term.

The best immediate option for netizens may be to opt out of social media entirely.

The original submission links to this call-to-action from Counterpunch: Take personal responsibility for your own social life. Go back to engaging flesh and blood people without tech companies serving as an intermediary. Eschew the narcissistic impulse to broadcast the excruciating minutiae of your life to the world. Refuse to accept the mandate that you must participate in social media in order to participate in society. Reclaim your autonomy.

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  1. It's time to user smaller specific social media by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We should not have more than 10% of the population on any given social media platform.

    I haven't used facebook for almost a decade. I saw it was a bad actor from the beginning.

    But Google is just as bad but not as obvious as is any other social media.

    You are the product.

    But part of their power depends on having most people on their platform. If they can't get more than a fraction of people on their platform, then they cannot build comprehensive profiles.

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    1. Re:It's time to user smaller specific social media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      yeah bullshit. all that would mean is more points of exposure and companies would just aggregate across platforms.

    2. Re:It's time to user smaller specific social media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it's time to boycott all those silos you call "platforms" and go back to open protocols. Everybody should physically own their data (including encrypted cloud storage, as long as the key never leaves the client) and connect with each other over a secure open protocol.

    3. Re:It's time to user smaller specific social media by gravewax · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You seem to have failed to learn your lesson from all the breaches and data collection. there is no such thing as too expensive, Business 101 is if the data is hard or expensive to gather then it is much more valuable and can be sold at a much higher cost. The only answer is for your data not be out there.

    4. Re:It's time to user smaller specific social media by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Would not work.

      If I organize an Aikido seminar with a famous teacher I expect about 100 - 120 guests.

      For that I have my FB account and simply post into my timeline the event details or organize an "FB Event" , where people can click "join", "maybe", "no".

      To reach all my audience I would need to do that on every majour platform. And hence: I would be on all majour platforms. Sooner or later people would migrate to the more prominent one(s).

      E.g. classmates from school gather on platform A
      Ex military on platform B
      Family on Platform C, except for your spoces parents who refuse ;D

      And so it goes on. In the end everyone is on several platforms. I'm on several platforms anyway, because I don't use FB for business, but linkedin and XING.

      It is the same with messaging Apps ... I use 4 regularly and have probably 4 more installed (and that does not include FB messenger ... I only use it if I need to sent a reply, but that I usually do via the web site)

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    5. Re:It's time to user smaller specific social media by stdarg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To reach all my audience I would need to do that on every majour platform.

      It is the same with messaging Apps

      That's because these platforms are deliberately non-interoperable in an attempt to build their own market share. If the idealists in this thread got their way and people just said no, then we'd end up with a system more like email. My gmail account can email any other email account, no problem. Why can't messengers/calendars do the same? No technical reason.

    6. Re:It's time to user smaller specific social media by BronsCon · · Score: 2

      Nevermind, I clicked to expand the definition, and sure enough you're right:

      hawk2
      hôk/
      verb
      gerund or present participle: hawking

      carry around and offer (goods) for sale, typically advertising them by shouting.
      "street traders were hawking costume jewelry"
      synonyms: peddle, sell, tout, vend, trade in, traffic in, push
      "hawking his wares on the street"

      I believe I'll just take my seat, now.

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    7. Re:It's time to user smaller specific social media by Rob+Y. · · Score: 4, Informative

      But Google is just as bad but not as obvious as is any other social media. You are the product.

      I don't know what you mean by 'not as obvious', but no Google is not just as bad. And it just confuses the issue to insist that they are. The problem with Facebook isn't that they have your info - it's the way they use it. Including sharing it with 3rd parties, sharing stuff they told you only your friends could ever see, and allowing 3rd parties to target you directly based on the info they got from Facebook.

      Google has your info and uses it to run their business. Which is plenty intrusive, but still consists of showing you advertisements that they think you'll click on. That's a devil's bargain that you might not like, but it's not what Facebook does - which is to use your info any damn way they can think of as well as selling it to others. It's possible to use Google's search service in incognito mode and not give them any personal info - and they can still make money off of you in that mode. Of course, once you sign on to Gmail, you're in the matrix. But at least it's possible. Facebook doesn't have the luxury of a business model that can exist without your info - but that doesn't mean they couldn't run a successful business without compromising it. They just choose not to.

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  2. Not stop - using own owned platforms by therealspacebug · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One does not have to stop using social media, but one can use own owned platforms like Matrix (http://matrix.org).

    Also one can stop sharing everything about your life.
    For example I have Twitter which I mostly use only to read posts as new. I seldom post something myself.

    1. Re:Not stop - using own owned platforms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "For example I have Twitter which I mostly use only to read posts as new. I seldom post something myself."

      Twitter here:
      That is ok, just knowing what you do read and what you do not is enough for us to monetize your personal data.

      Thanks for being a sheep,
      Twitter Inc.
       

    2. Re:Not stop - using own owned platforms by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Also one can stop sharing everything about your life.

      Or just don't post stuff you want to keep private. My wife posts photos of our vacation to Facebook. Do I care if the whole world knows where I went on vacation? Nope, not at all. My daughter posts pictures of all our meals. Do I care? Nope, unless Trump starts rounding up all the vegans (we are mostly liberals).

      The things I want to keep private (my heroin dealer's cell number, assassination list, KGB paystubs) don't go on Facebook.

      I have never regretted anything I posted. Using social media is fine as long as you aren't stupid about it.

    3. Re:Not stop - using own owned platforms by sheramil · · Score: 2

      Also one can stop sharing everything about your life.

      Alternatively, start sharing things about your life which aren't exactly true. For example, I just landed a full-time job that pays $45,000 a year, and all I have to do is sit at this console and turn that key if we get the alert and the other guy turns his key at the same time.

    4. Re: Not stop - using own owned platforms by peragrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You went on vacation, so you weren't home, which is a great time to break in and steal stuff.

      You posted pictures of your home,probably move in dates. The location is somewhere in your history.

      Before social media so much knowledge was public, but hard to access. Now it is quick to access

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    5. Re:Not stop - using own owned platforms by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Twitter dos not know who I am for one"

      It doesn't care what your name is. It knows that you're a right wing conspiracy theorist, a bit racism sprinkled over and so it knows which ads to serve you to influence your behavior in the voting booth.

    6. Re: Not stop - using own owned platforms by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      You went on vacation, so you weren't home, which is a great time to break in and steal stuff.

      The photos were posted after we returned. Anyway, if you want to find an unoccupied house, there is a far easier way: Knock on the door. If someone answers, apologize and say you had the wrong address. Otherwise, jimmy a window and load up your sack. Of course, you can't be sure that no one is home just because they didn't answer the door, but you can't be sure everyone in the house went on vacation either.

      When we go on vacation, we lock up, recharge the security camera batteries, set all the motion sensor alarms, put bars in the windows, hide our valuables, and notify the neighbors. It would actually be the WORST time to rob us. A typical weekday while we are at work/school would be much better.

      The location is somewhere in your history.

      The location of my home was already public information long before social media existed. It is listed in the phone book (which is online), and is also listed on public documents at the Santa Clara County website, that anyone can access.

    7. Re: Not stop - using own owned platforms by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      You went on vacation, so you weren't home, which is a great time to break in and steal stuff.

      If you post the pictures when you get back, this is a non-issue.

      You posted pictures of your home,probably move in dates. The location is somewhere in your history.

      Unless the address is in their "history", because they posted it to Facebook, it's not part of the database.

      Before social media so much knowledge was public, but hard to access. Now it is quick to access

      You have no idea what you're on about. Anyone with a business license can get access to government databases on a for-fee basis. They used to call it MERLIN, I'm not sure if that's still the current system. You can't easily use it to look up SSNs, but if you have someone's SSN you can use it to find all kinds of other information. And it has lots of stuff indexed by name, like pretty much everywhere you've ever lived if you used the address for anything — like a bill, or a professional certification, or a bank account. And that stuff existed and was centralized before Facebook was even imagined.

      Unless you're giving away useful information on social media, it's not a threat. What makes facebook or google a threat, and it's easy to block, is their ubiquitous tracking. But just use uMatrix or similar and don't allow google-analytics, facebook.net, and so on, and you won't get tracked on random sites either.

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    8. Re:Not stop - using own owned platforms by dontbgay · · Score: 2

      If you have Instagram, WhatsApp, Facebook, or FB messenger installed; they have that info.

      youPorn has a like button next to that funky butt lovin midget porn. They already have your dirty little secrets. Some websites only put a single tracking pixel on their page so FB and Google know everywhere you go. It's literally next to impossible for the average user to get away from it

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  3. Wrong question; You shouldn't have used it at all. by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course, it is never too late to realize your mistake in believing it was ever OK to give a soulless corporation access to your personal information, and thus also allow HR to look at all your party pics where you got drunk, and other things you really dont want your professional career life to know about-- but really, what ever made you guys think it was even a good idea to start with?

    I remember when the very idea of using your real name online was a point and shame offense.

    We need to get back to that kind of thing,

  4. Off to a good start. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

    The best immediate option for netizens may be to opt out of social media entirely.

    Posting that on /. Are you going to hit up Facebook and Twitter too, or should one of us do it?

    [ RT to take back control. #OptOut ]

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    1. Re:Off to a good start. by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Posting that on /. Are you going to hit up Facebook and Twitter too, or should one of us do it?

      Isn't Slashdot social media? You've got friends and foes, journal entries, notifications...

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  5. Re:Um... by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

    More of a news aggregator with comments.

  6. Re:Wrong question; You shouldn't have used it at a by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Before dedicated social networks we used mailing lists, Usenet and forums. They were great because you could meet interesting, like-minded people, and they didn't harvest your personal data.

    These days it's harder to avoid social networks. They offer a lot of features that people want, like easy photo sharing and real-time chat built in. Sure, you can replicate it all, but try getting random non-techies to install an IRC client, or spell Diaspora.

    Modern life has become reliant on those services. People are too busy, they aren't going to post everything to five different networks and your personal email address.

    The only solution is an open protocol. Make Facebook a protocol, let people choose the platform and client that suits them the best.

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  7. Re:Wrong question; You shouldn't have used it at a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is the problem. People think they need it now. The abuses possible are inherent in all present implementations. A federal injunction should be issued. If they want to save face. Perhaps they read slashdot? The sharing of all (or part) personal information online is a national security risk. period. fucking period.

    But I beg to digress (facebook needs to die. shutdown.) We need to focus on the solution. Open source (free as in beer) software and hardware to the rescue.

    Let's get to this, gentlemen. IRC or whatever. but connect and solve this problem. We need transparency. We need the people to be able to set up their own networks. Think mesh community nodes with a DMZ to talk to the other networks. We can do this better. I know we can.

  8. Just ditch Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For f**ks sake, *Facebook* sold access to your messenger private MESSAGES to a company that markets that data worldwide. Using some hidden psuedo opted in by default consent.

    It isn't some sort of endemic that spans every social media company. It's just Facebook that's constantly pushing the boundaries of what it can get away with.

    "A Facebook spokesperson confirmed that the app, which was designed by Cambridge University researcher Aleksandr Kogan to collect data on Americans on behalf of Cambridge Analytica’s British counterpart SCL, requested access to user inboxes through the read_mailbox permission."

    So your private messages were sold to Putin. It wasn't by accident, they weren't hacked, Cambridge Analytics requested access to the messages in your mailbox and Facebook sold them that access via an implemented API. And CA were not at all secret about their intentions, they toured the world offering up your Facebook data for sale.

    Here's Aleksandr Kogan of Cambridge Analytics touting the data grab and the ability to use it to influence foreign elections to Putin's St Petersberg group:

    http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/20/technology/aleksandr-kogan-video-facebook-cambridge-analytica/index.html

    Ditch Facebook, delete your account, never ever log in again. If you use a site and it has a Facebook button on it, its a tracking system, ask them to remove it.

  9. Meet space, not Cyber space by Alain+Williams · · Score: 2

    While there is a place for electronic communication: emails, 'phone calls, on-line group messaging, what is far more satisfying is meeting people in the flesh to: chat, eat together, dance, go for walks, ... that is how true friendships are nurtured and grow. When you are with people you more easily learn their true nature. We are a social species -- this need has been exploited by social media, with the unfilled promise that using it will make us more socially successful: whereas the result is often the opposite.

    1. Re:Meet space, not Cyber space by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Indeed, tell me your Facebook name and I'll send you an event invite so we can meet.

      Oh and if that wasn't snide enough just remember I'm currently in Italy, but meeting in real life is easy right so it should be just as easy to catch up in Milan for a coffee as it is to have this conversation right?

      The world of social network is not as simple as the proponents of alternatives always make it out.

  10. It's time for a new non-commercial service. by Qbertino · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We need to upgrade/replace email and Usenet.

    I've said this time and time again: Facebook only exists because we're still using protocols and services from the steam age of computing. Usenet is super-dead and email is some awkward crutch.

    Replace it with something from this day and age and Facebook will disappear all by itself because people will stop using it because it won't be the best solution around anymore.

    It's that easy.

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  11. Re: Wrong question; You shouldn't have used it at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I remember when Bruce Perens freaked out that others made accounts spelled similar to his name, and they changed the page so UIDs became vgisible, so it beme a 'thing' to have a low UID.

    Thanks, Bruce.

  12. User data collection powers the free internet by petes_PoV · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "How would you like to pay?"

    The question we hear many times a day. Yet we expect that almost all websites will not charge us. Even though they have costs: depreciation, electricity, staff, buildings - that someone has to pay for.

    So would the public be willing to hand over a credit card to use a website? Experience shows that almost nobody does, when compared with the billions of accesses per day that come from subscribers to "free" sites. And what happens to "privacy" then? We would just trade fears of all the lies we tell when we subscribe to a website being replaced with the far more serious fears of having our card details stolen, bought and sold.

    Personally, I don't give a damn about who knows when my date of birth was, what I last bought from Amazon or whether I "liked" a particular posting or not. It seems to me that the only people who do worry, do so about how other people might be losing their privacy - not about their own. If it bothers you, then stop. If it doesn't then ignore all the media frenzy. Though since almost all the online sites that are carrying scare stories about mass data collection are doing exactly the same thing they criticise FB and social media in general, of doing.

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  13. Re:Wrong question; You shouldn't have used it at a by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Modern life has become reliant on those services.

    Says who? I've never used those services in the first place.

    People are too busy, they aren't going to post everything to five different networks and your personal email address.

    The question is, why are you posting everything? Stop broadcasting your life online!

    Go back to regular forums, there's still millions of them all over the place, targeting specific topics. If I visit a DIY arcade cabinets forum, the worst thing that can happen is that I see ads related to arcade hardware, which I might be interested in because I visit that kind of website.

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  14. It's time to stop using certain features, surely. by hey! · · Score: 2

    It's pretty much impossible NOT to reveal your social connections using social media, but it's the combination of insight into the nodes in that graph with the network that gives people with that data power over you.

    So any kind of game, app or quiz where you reveal things about yourself or personal preferences is a bad thing. Forwarding and commenting on political news is probably a bad thing -- not in itself, but combined with the analytical power a social connection graph provides; it's one thing to exercise your free speech, it's another to contribute to a the greatest political surveillance network in history.

    You might want to think twice about face tagging and geotagging your photographs too -- going by the Categorical Imperative. If enough people do that they've got a covert body tracking network.

    People use social media because they serve a useful purpose, but they aren't aware of the unintended consequences; exploiting unintended consequences is those companies' entire business model.

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  15. Re:Wrong question; You shouldn't have used it at a by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    I actually managed to convince most of my friends to move to WhatsApp as an alternative to Facebook. WA at least does end-to-end encryption and isn't a social network, so while not perfect it's a lot better.

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  16. Re: It's time to user smaller specific social me by Jerry · · Score: 2

    "I'm a narcissist that isn't getting rewarded on social media by people telling me how great I am, so now I'm telling people that I stopped using it. Aren't I unique, quirky, and a total edge Lord?

    I'm so young and counter culture it hurts"

    Yeah, great, you play in the sand box kid

    Your comment reflects the total hostility that is exhibited on all sides of any topic on most forums these days.

    Not knowing a single fact about the poster you fling poo like a caged monkey, while insinuating the worst motives about your target anonymously. YOU are what is wrong with trying to hold intelligent discussions on most comment forums today.

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