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Ola Wants a Million Electric Rides on India's Roads by 2021 (bloomberg.com)

Ride-hailing company Ola, Uber's fiercest Indian competitor, wants to roll out 10,000 electric three-wheeled rickshaws within a year and a million battery-powered vehicles by 2021. From a report: The startup run by ANI Technologies said it's in policy discussions with several state governments, and is talking with potential partners from automakers to battery producers. It aims to build out an existing pilot project in the central Indian city of Nagpur, where Ola's first EVs have already traveled more than 4 million kilometers. Ola's ambitions dovetail with the Indian government's objectives. Prime Minster Narendra Modi plans to significantly increase the number of new energy vehicles on the road. The power ministry in March said Modi had directed senior ministers to ensure that by 2030 most vehicles in India would be powered by electricity.

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  1. Thats nothing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want a BILLION!

    1. Re:Thats nothing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want a BILLION!

      Typical /.'er - such a small thinker! : )

    2. Re:Thats nothing! by hey! · · Score: 1

      So, .75 vehicles per person -- a little less than the ratio in the US of vehicles on the road to population.

      Every time you think about India you've got to recalibrate your mental scales.

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  2. If you are the Indian driver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What will be your priority?

    Making as much money as you could, or giving up 10 hours per day not driving your vehicle (which means no income) while you try recharging it?

    Add to that, India's power supply is notoriously unstable

    1. Re:If you are the Indian driver by Rei · · Score: 2

      Normally I'd write a rebuttal concerning charge times - but in the case of India, honestly, you're spot on. India has been doing this "We want a ton of electric vehicles.... but we're not going to do anything to prepare for them or encourage them" game. I mean, they added a subsidy, but it's very small, and only applies to local manufacturers, which are way behind the game on EV tech investments. The country has put way too little into charging infrastructure, and their anticompetitive trade policies (such as the local sourcing policy) have kept a number of manufacturers out, because EVs tend to have very custom parts lines.

      India could be another China when it comes to EVs, but they're going to need to get their act together if they want it to be anything more than talk.

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  3. Have some actual information Ola not doing well by Crashmarik · · Score: 3, Informative

    https://in.reuters.com/article...

    Insight: Ola's sputtering India electric vehicle trial a red flag for Modi plan

    Clean energy stories on Slashdot aren't dog whistles, they're electrodes planted in the pleasure centers of the gullible.

    1. Re:Have some actual information Ola not doing well by blindseer · · Score: 3

      From the article linked in parent:

      Getting infrastructure built in the world's biggest democracy where a not-in-my-backyard culture proliferates is a barrier for a lot of businesses in India. And it is proving to be the same for charging stations - Ola was forced to close one in Nagpur last year after protests by residents angered by traffic jams caused by drivers. It took more than five months to get government clearances to begin operating another station.

      Seems they want to blame this on democracy. Well, what's the solution then? Remove just "a little bit" of democracy? I have a problem with that. It's never "a little bit".

      Maybe what they need is a government that can properly plan the roads and other infrastructure so the people won't complain. This is not something that can be forced by government. People have to want the electric cars. Paying people to take them, when there isn't sufficient infrastructure to support them, is going to create a distaste for them in the future. Traffic jams around charging stations is a symptom of a problem, not the problem itself. Had they allowed this to develop more naturally with market forces then this would not have happened. What they have now is perhaps an entire generation with a bad experience with electric vehicles, because they forced them on the market too soon.

      The electric car industry may have just shot itself in the foot, and it may take decades before people lose the memory of this experience.

      Good job! You may have just stalled the electric car industry in India by 20 years!

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    2. Re:Have some actual information Ola not doing well by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Seems they want to blame this on democracy.

      There is a lot of truth in that. Infrastructure projects in China happen amazingly fast, and their ability to bulldoze through any local opposition is a big reason for that.

      NIMBYism doesn't scale. Sure, you don't want the new sewage plant in your neighborhood, but neither does anyone else, and if it doesn't get built your toilet doesn't flush. Someone has to have the authority to make hard unpopular decisions, with decisiveness and finality. Very few democracies do that well.

    3. Re:Have some actual information Ola not doing well by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Seems they want to blame this on democracy.

      There is a lot of truth in that. Infrastructure projects in China happen amazingly fast, and their ability to bulldoze through any local opposition is a big reason for that.

      NIMBYism doesn't scale. Sure, you don't want the new sewage plant in your neighborhood, but neither does anyone else, and if it doesn't get built your toilet doesn't flush. Someone has to have the authority to make hard unpopular decisions, with decisiveness and finality. Very few democracies do that well.

      Fortunately, there's always someone willing to be the "President-For-LIfe", or "Der Fuhrer", or whatever. Even better, there's always someone who yearns to be ruled by Der Fuhrer (or President-for-life, or Chairman, or whatever)....

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    4. Re:Have some actual information Ola not doing well by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Fortunately, there's always someone willing to be the "President-For-LIfe", or "Der Fuhrer", or whatever.

      That often doesn't solve the problem. It is often said of the Fascists in Italy, that "At least Mussolini made the trains run on time" ... but that was a lie. It was just propaganda. Italian trans actually continued to be unreliable.

      Snopes: Mussolini made the trains run on time. False

    5. Re:Have some actual information Ola not doing well by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Democracy is the problem, there's a reason China is shooting ahead whilst India fails. Letting every selfish idiot have a say leads to ruin. There's a reason all the progress in the West right now comes from corporations run by dictatorship models rather than the democratic state.

  4. bud bud buddy-bud by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    If they're electric why do they sound like a misfiring 2-stroke? Oh wait, it was the driver talking.

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  5. That's easy, build it and they will come by blindseer · · Score: 1

    If the powers that be want more people to buy electric vehicles then build an electric vehicle that people would want to buy. It's really that simple.

    But it's not that simple, is it? Because building an electric vehicle that people would want to buy is hard.

    People don't burn petroleum because they want to pollute the air. They burn this stuff because that's how we get the lifestyle we all enjoy. There's no easy answer to this. Providing subsidies to buy electric vehicles are great for the people that get the subsidies, nut not necessarily for those that have to pay the taxes to fund them. These electric vehicle subsidies are a tax on the poor so the wealthy can buy a new electric vehicle. I believe that to be ethically problematic.

    There's already quite the social and economic incentives to building and developing electric vehicles. People already buy electric vehicles as a social statement. People buy electric cars because they have advantages over those that burn hydrocarbons. We shouldn't have to pay people to buy them. If we want to see more people buy them then make them more awesome than they already are. Those that cannot do with anything less than a gasoline burner wouldn't buy an electric car if you paid them to. So, stop trying to pay people to buy electric cars.

    Here's another problem, all electric vehicles do is transfer where the energy comes from. People will still need energy. We know how to synthesize hydrocarbons from electricity. This process is even more efficient if there's some heat added, such as that from burning wood or nuclear fission which are low carbon energy sources used to make electricity from heat already. Wherever this energy comes from for the electricity to charge these electric cars can also be used to synthesize hydrocarbons. Synthesizing hydrocarbons closes the carbon loop on burning those hydrocarbons, we won't be releasing more carbon into the environment from long separated off reservoirs deep in the earth. We can take the carbon from the air and water, make fuel from it, and when it's burned it goes into the air again for more fuel later. It's as carbon neutral as any electric car.

    Synthetic fuels means no one needs a new car subsidy, even old cars become "green". Electricity capacity would have to be increased to compensate, but that would also be the case with electric vehicles. I'm not saying we should stop making electric vehicles. I'm saying that synthetic fuels needs development too. That's not going to happen if they have to compete with subsidized electric vehicles. The government is playing favorites in the market, and that's never good in the long run.

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    1. Re:That's easy, build it and they will come by dehachel12 · · Score: 2

      Synthesizing hydrocarbons closes the carbon loop on burning those hydrocarbons, we won't be releasing more carbon into the environment from long separated off reservoirs deep in the earth. We can take the carbon from the air and water, make fuel from it, and when it's burned it goes into the air again for more fuel later. It's as carbon neutral as any electric car.

      making hydrocarbons from electricity and then burning them in a car is horribly inefficient. (burning fuel only puts about 20% of its energy into kinetic energy, while transmitting into from electricity station to storing it in a battery and then converting it into kinetic energy has about 70-80% efficiency)

    2. Re:That's easy, build it and they will come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Also, the combustion produces nitrogen oxides, particulates, and so on, depositing this pollution right in the populated places where the cars are driven.

      Also, extracting CO2 from the air is pain because it is so dilute. One must do work against entropy.
      Obviously it can be done. Plants do it, for example, but they don't do it cheap - they require lots of freshwater, and trace minerals.

      If you can just as easily use a wind turbine or hydro dam or solar panel to charge an electric car and never burn anything, why bother with synthesis?

    3. Re:That's easy, build it and they will come by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Shh, it's about this quarters profits. That is as far as they see. They know the truth, they do not care, they want to keep fossil fuellers share prices up and sell fossil fuels for as long as they can, as fast as they can, they do not care, honestly really, they get more of a kick getting away with lying to everyone, then they do about creating a better future for humanity. For them humanity is the person they see in the mirror and the rest of us, we are just furniture to be used.

      Electric vehicles will dominate, how fast is the question and of course the next big question, how best to recycle used batteries and of course how to design better batteries.

      Americans used to enjoy slaves (in the worst ways imaginable and unimaginable), it was a part of their lifestyle and they had to be forced to give them up, actual war. So yeah, trying to talk them out of fossil fuels, waste of breath if they are making profit from fossil fuels. You talk around they and formulate regulations and you ban the shit, that is the only way to stop it. They will of course lie, cheat, steal and kill to keep the system that profits them going, that is just the way it is.

      Is regulation required to stop fossil fuels, yes, 100% no other choice, either you ban it or they will keep getting it out of the ground and burn it to make money.

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    4. Re:That's easy, build it and they will come by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      You are looking at it from a developed world perspective.

      I was in China earlier this year. Millions of electric scooters everywhere. It was actually quite scary - silent, often in a poor state of repair, people don't use their lights or seem to have any concept of how to drive safely, often rode them on the pavement... All electric, and extremely popular.

      Makes sense for China. They are mostly lead acid batteries, which are very cheap. Limited range is fine for going to work etc. People have strong family ties so can share a longer range car between themselves. Electricity is cheap too, and available everywhere, and they understand that it is cleaner too. The vehicles themselves are very low maintenance because there are no gears, no spark plugs, no oil, no starter motor, no alternator.

      India will be the same. Cheap, low range EVs that don't cost much to run. Probably using a lot of recycled batteries from first world countries, because we are crazy enough to throw them away. Battery prices are falling fast anyway.

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  6. Wait. Don't you need paved roads first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or is this horse and buggy ride hails? Stagecoach? Cockaroach? Mmmm. Tasty!

  7. And... by XSportSeeker · · Score: 1

    And I want to live in a luxurious high rise in Tokyo, so what?

  8. If anyone was wondering by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

    It looks like this is the electric rickshaw they're talking about.

  9. efficient three-wheeled rickshaws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    great !! they have the right context to do just that : develop the 3 wheeled rickshaws that are far more efficients than huge cars ...
    why would you use 1 ton to move you while a 10x lighter and efficient system can do the same, specially in cities.
    it solve a lot of problems, including charging station/times and cost to start with

  10. What ? In India? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2
    There is a reason India leads the world in UPS and battery backups.

    Indian homes use truck batteries and inverters to power their home during their periodic, regular, announced and un announced power cuts. Indian grid is woefully inadequate to handle charging loads of so many battery cars.

    I read a piece on Karachi, Pakistan, (I know Pakistan is a different country, not a province of India) where families gets into their air-conditioned cars and drive around aimlessly to escape the mid day heat when the scheduled power cut kicks in. I am sure that is common in India too.

    It could take a while for battery cars to take hold in India. Capital is very expensive in India. But the government is likely to encourage it. India is self sufficient in dirty coal, but needs to import oil for petrol and diesel. From balance of trade and foreign exchange perspectives, they really would like pure electric cars to take hold.

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    1. Re:What ? In India? by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

      At least a little while ago, the farmers got free electricity. That meant that if you were downstream of a farm and they were pumping water, there was no electricity left, they could literally send a boy up the poll to wrap the stripped ends of a wire around the distribution cables and use it to power an electric drill that barely even spun. There must have been no more than a couple of dozen volts available.

      I guess now the farms will all become vehicle recharging lots

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    2. Re:What ? In India? by Rei · · Score: 1

      Interestingly enough, rapid chargers would actually be more reliable in India than "destination chargers" / level 1/2. The higher-end of rapid chargers are starting to use battery packs to buffer from the grid (in order to deliver power faster than the grid can provide at a reasonable price). So random, unannounced power cuts don't phase them, so long as they're not excessively long.

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