New Child Protection Nonprofit Strikes Back At Sex-Negative Approach of FOSTA-SESTA (youcaring.com)

qirtaiba writes: When the FOSTA-SESTA online sex trafficking bill passed last month, it sailed through Congress because there were no child protection organizations that stood against it, and because no member of Congress (with the brave exceptions of Ron Wyden and Rand Paul) wanted to face re-election having opposed a bill against sex trafficking, despite its manifest flaws. In the wake of the law's passage, its real targets -- not child sex traffickers, but adult sex workers and the internet platforms used by them -- have borne the brunt of its effects. Websites like the Erotic Review and Craigslist's personals section have either shut down entirely or for U.S. users, while Backpage.com has been seized, leaving many adult sex workers in physical and financial peril.

A new child protection organization, Prostasia Foundation, has just been announced, with the aim of taking a more sex-positive approach that would allow it to push back against laws that really target porn or sex work under the guise of being child protection laws. Instead, the organization promotes a research-based approach to the prevention of child sexual abuse before it happens. From the organization's press release: "Prostasia Director Jaylen MacLaren is a former child prostitute who used a website like this to screen her clients. She now recognizes those clients as abusers, but she does not blame the website for her suffering. 'I am committed to preventing child sexual abuse, but I don't believe that this should come at the cost of civil liberties and sexual freedom,' Jaylen said. 'I have found ways to express my sexuality in consensual and cathartic ways.'" Nerea Vega Lucio, a member of the group's Advisory Council, said, 'Child protection laws need to be informed by accurate and impartial research, and ensuring that policy makers have access to such research will be a top priority for Prostasia.'"

Comments

Re:I wish them luck

[fafalone]

The religious right and SJWs have a lot more in common than anyone wants to admit. At least on this one I even think "its a sin" is better than "because you're being exploited no matter what you say".. Empowering women right up until they make a 'bad' choice, then its 'we're stopping this for your own good' just like the right.

I don't know any SJW types

[rsilvergun]

that oppose prostitution. Care to point any out? I do know a lot that want more social services so women are much less likely to turn to prostitution. But they're all in the "Legal, Taxed & Regulated" crowd.

Now, I do know a lot of right wingers who enjoy seeing people punished for their mistakes. Bill O'Reilly and the whole Fox News crowd come to mind . I also know a lot of religious people who are convinced that if we don't get all this sinning under control God's going to wipe us out. Pat Robinson comes to mind. Let that last one sink in for a minute. If you're a sinner you're not just a bad person to these folks. You're an existent threat to their continued being. God's done it multiple times before (The Flood, Sodom/Gomorrah, etc), who's to say he won't do it again? He's changed his mind before...

Re:I don't know any SJW types

[Ol Olsoc]

that oppose prostitution. Care to point any out? I do know a lot that want more social services so women are much less likely to turn to prostitution. But they're all in the "Legal, Taxed & Regulated" crowd.

Oh, they are out there. http://www.womensmediacenter.c...

There is a schism in feminism between sex negative and sex positive. The sex negative version finds that prostitution is exploitation of women by men. I'm not certain how they feel about women going to women prostitutes.

Sex positive feminists tend toward if the woman is doing this of her own free will, then she can do as she wants. Many of the dancers at one of our local "Gentleman's Clubs" are students working their way through college. No one is forcing them, loans are available.

Now, I do know a lot of right wingers who enjoy seeing people punished for their mistakes. Bill O'Reilly and the whole Fox News crowd come to mind.

Well, as long as it is other people's mistakes. Buddy Billy is a first class creeper in his own right, and Roger Aisles and his raw hamburger like genitals are just two of their creeps.

I also know a lot of religious people who are convinced that if we don't get all this sinning under control God's going to wipe us out. Pat Robinson comes to mind.

I've always been amazed that Pat's gawd punishes Southern States for those Liberal Nawthener's sins. Legalize Gay Marriage? Let's send a Hurricane to Mississippi.

Re:I don't know any SJW types

[Mashiki]

SJW type and feminists at that. Remember the furor over dancers at a microsoft-GDC party? Yeah. Small group of whiners, but damage is done, people no longer employed. These are the same two groups that have been going hard after video games for the last few years, either trying to make claims that "sexuality cause men to become rapists" or "violent video games cause men to become serial killers." What should be bothering anyone old enough to remember Jack Thompson is that the left sjw/feminists have their own in Anita Sarkeesian, and where if it was o'l Jack they'd be rushing to fling attack articles. With Sarkeesian, they're nodding their heads and smiling while saying that she's absolutely right.

Remember the shit show over grid girls? All those feminists and sjws who screeched that a women should be able to work at any job they wanted? And....then pushed F1 to the point they basically fired dozens of women from well paying jobs that they wanted and enjoyed. Hope everyone is enjoying the regressive steps backwards and away from the sexual revolution now.

SJW's, Feminists, and what's left of religious conservatives still in that realm are all on the same side. It was feminists and SJW's pushing the #metoo stuff, it was a nearly dead sex-negative religiously back conservative group that got cosmopolitian removed from walmart. It's also not hard finding the number of people from the first two groups, pushing for censoring non-western games or even running campaigns to have games banned from sale in North America. DOAX3 was a good example, to the point where the made a developer believe there was *no* western market for it. Then there's crunchyroll censoring DanMachi Memoria Freese and really, I could keep going.

Re:I don't know any SJW types

[fafalone]

All of that is leading to not only an end to the sexual revolution, but back towards gender segregation.
-A lot of professional men won't take private meetings with female suborbinates, and forget any kind of business travel where it's a man and woman coworker. Some women have noticed this and tried to say "Don't avoid women just don't sexually harass!" after they so thoroughly obliterated the line that asking for confidence it won't be crossed by something innocuous is a joke.
-I can't imagine being a male on a college campus these days. Just about any alcohol is grounds for 'I was too drunk' (no matter how drunk the guy also is, he's always at fault*). 'Affirmative consent' is an absurd minefield 'Can i touch your breast now? Can I touch your butt now?'. Consent can be retroactively withdrawn years later. And it's guilt upon accusation with virtually no due process, judged by someones whose mandate is 'believe the victim no matter how many problems the story has', punished by expulsion, which is a major life destroying consequence. How long until college men avoid college women entirely?
-At first, #metoo exposed some awful perverts doing some awful stuff. But, surprising no one, people soon were getting their careers destroyed over incredibly trivial stuff, and vague recollections of things decades old. A lot of guys suddenly thinking Mike Pence doesn't seem so crazy after all with his 'never alone with a woman besides his wife' rule.

While I'm sure some of the rabidly man-hating women welcome it, I gotta think most women don't want a world where men and women are terrified of being alone with eachother. But it's still heresy to suggest any solution other than forcing men to walk blindly through the minefield.

*- My all time favorite case: A girl goes into a guys room, he's black out drunk and mostly unconscious. She proceeds to give him a blowjob. Texts her friends about it, confirming this version of events, then goes back out partying and gives another guy head. Almost 2 years later, *she* files a Title IX complaint against the blacked out dude, claiming that because she had had a couple beers, he had assaulted her. Despite seeing the texts confirming he just laid there passed out, he was found responsible for sexual misconduct and expelled (eventually, a judge in a real court overturned it). That's right, the college said he had sexually assaulted her by receiving oral sex while unconscious.

Re:I don't know any SJW types

[gijoel]

Which feminists would that be? Susie Bright, Nina Hartley, Rachel Kramer Bussel? BTW they're all sex positive feminists.

I'd also point out the Ron Paul often got into a lather about what people did with their unmentionables. Rand Paul like his father doesn't think women should be allowed to control their bodies. So you might want to take that log out of your eye now.

About those grid girls, people objected as they're thought to encourage morons to view women as objects and not you know people with their own tastes, values and desires. How about you run this little experiment for me. Go and get a job at a gay bar, wear stupidly tight shirts and hot pants. Clothes so tight that they look ready to snap. Work there for a month and tell me how it felt. Tell me how it felt when a drunk patron makes a pass at you, how it felt when they waived a tip in front of you as they asked you out on a date. Tell me how many times you got groped on an average shift, and then tell me how bad objectifying is. Besides what has F1 lost by getting rid of them? Are you there to watch the cars or the women. If the latter then why don't you save yourself a sunburn and go to a strip club.

Re:I don't know any SJW types

[Mashiki]

Did you understand the objections? It was a professional conference for game developers

Apparently I did, but you didn't. See this was an *after party* for people who attended the event.

Objecting to the dancers at that event is in no way incompatible with sex-positive feminism or support of legal, safe and regulated prostitution.

Really? Sure does explain why feminists were screeching that it was sexism and those women were being degraded(their argument) all the way down.

I've noticed one common aspect of arguments against SJWs is that they over-simplify and straw man the things they find objectionable. It's hard to tell if it is deliberate or if just some kind of premature "hot take". They often employ emotive language and imagery like "screeching" and hint at conspiracies.

Yeah that's funny, because reality happens to be the opposite of what you regularly spout. Just like in this case. You know, where it was an after party, and despite this type of even going on for literal decades there was zero problems until some sex-negative, self-righteous, white knight decided that sexy scared them.

If SJWs didn't exist then anti-SJWs would have to invent them... So they did.

Oh there was no need to invent them, we used to call you "politically correct activists" then you decided to start using SJW because you believed that you were doing good. Where as most of western society believes otherwise. Especially when you bring out the **NO FUN** sign, and get people fired from a job they enjoy.

Re:I don't know any SJW types

[Mashiki]

This shit got +5 informative? Good to see that blatant sexism is still A-OK on slashdot. The only thing Anita Sarkeesian did was publish a series of videos with her rather mild (and occasionally snarky) opinions on video games. Oh that and being female with intent.

So it's "blatent sexism" because she's a female Jack Thompson, and places blame for school shootings on "toxic masculinity" and then states men are sexist because of video games? Or that she wants to ban and/or video games if they don't fall into her moral compass. How about her whining about "extreme violence."

Literallt none of the bullshit lies you've tried to spread about her over the years have been true. Not one single one. Mod parent down.

Considering you can't be bothered to click on links, and read her own words for yourself. That's hilarious. Don't worry, those are all factual links too. Just like every other time you can't be bothered to click on them.

Re:I don't know any SJW types

[Mashiki]

Take your pick, you can read them on your favorite progressive blog/website. Like polygon, vox, mic, paste, feministing and so on. While, we're getting into this why don't you explain why men have no paternal rights when there's a fetus involved.

Go and get a job at a gay bar, wear stupidly tight shirts and hot pants. Clothes so tight that they look ready to snap. Work there for a month and tell me how it felt. Tell me how it felt when a drunk patron makes a pass at you, how it felt when they waived a tip in front of you as they asked you out on a date. Tell me how many times you got groped on an average shift, and then tell me how bad objectifying is. Besides what has F1 lost by getting rid of them? Are you there to watch the cars or the women. If the latter then why don't you save yourself a sunburn and go to a strip club.

Hey I got one for you, why don't you go be a police constable or cadet for a while. Then go work in a bar for a night. Get groped 100-250 times in a night by women, just women. Where they jam their hands down your pants, forcibly kiss you, and so on. Hey that's all sexual assault right? Then get told that there is no recourse or any formal or legal complaint process and you have to put up with it. With the implicit threat, that perusing this will earn you a blacklist in the job. Now that you've got all those drunk women doing that, and there's no recourse why don't you tell everyone what the solution is. Because that's the norm if you ever work a bar as a cop, cadet, or volunteer. And it's like that every weekend and you're expected to do your job regardless to keep the peace.

Now just think back 40 years ago, after helping the corner pick some kids brains off the ceiling of the barn where he committed suicide you were told to "take a few days off, and drink until you can't stand." Today, you'll at least get psychiatric counseling after that, but that was still standard even a decade ago and still is in many small police forces. There are far more protections, recourse(legal and policy) for a women in nearly every environment that exists in the west. The same does not apply for men, but we're still expected to do that job, whether working, or volunteer and put up with it and deal with the problems on our own.

Now why don't you ask those women who enjoyed working as grid girls and were fundamentally pissed off because they lost their jobs over it, but there were recourse and legal options for everything you've already described.

And I already know what your answer will be, it's obviously "go to the press." Problem, the press doesn't care. They'll care if it's a woman in that situation though. So by all means, explain.

Re:I don't know any SJW types

[Mashiki]

It's Mashiki, he sock-puppets his way to +5. Today he overdid it a bit, and has now run out of mod points so all his replies are stuck at the default level.

Nice conspiracy theory. It's not that you have ideas that are increasingly regressive and people are having enough of it, no no, it's *not* that. It's the fault of someone else. Just a tip though, I only need one account. Maybe, you're projecting your insecurities and need for self-validation?

I don't think he will ever stop blaming Sarkeesian and Clinton for everything. They are too convenient. Look at his post history, whenever he has no argument to make (which is most of the time) he just starts ranting about one of them.

Where's the blame? Are you saying that a person who puts themselves into the public spotlight, espouses views that are socially and culturally regressive shouldn't be challenged on them? That pointing out and making people who support her, realize that her views are "toxic and problematic" to use your lexicon? Oh, I see now...it's "ranting" when someone with media and/or political power does something and people make commentary on it. Unless of course you disagree with it. Well, I guess you'd know that from experience so I'll just bow to the master.

I realized a while back that he never argues in good faith. Should have seen it sooner really... It wasn't until he accused me of being a secret sexual predator for the third time that I decided to stop replying to him if he addresses me directly.

I almost always argue in good faith. But I've never accused you, I simply wondered if your repeated pushes of regressive feminism, and rampant white-knighting, made you just like other white-knights that eventually are shown to be sex-pests and you act the way you do to try and make yourself feel better. I mean, plenty of those anti-GG actors you used to use in your arguments were great. I personally like the defenders you used, that claimed people who were supportive of gamergate were rapists, sexual predators, pedophiles and can't forget terrorists who call in bomb threats to religious/public buildings were well...projecting all the way down.

Re:I don't know any SJW types

[Opportunist]

Like canaries or something.

You should not compare women to birds, it could be seen as objectification or worse.

yours,
legal department

Re:I don't know any SJW types

[bluefoxlucid]

Go and get a job at a gay bar, wear stupidly tight shirts and hot pants. Clothes so tight that they look ready to snap. Work there for a month and tell me how it felt. Tell me how it felt when a drunk patron makes a pass at you, how it felt when they waived a tip in front of you as they asked you out on a date.

Men can handle this somewhat better than women, although maybe not to that degree. We shrug a lot of stuff off. I've never quite figured out why; and I'm a bad model because I shrug everything off (near-perfect psychological resilience--it's a defect), so I can't really explore by introspection using the data I have.

I grew up in an era where you could generally insult a man for being fat, ugly, and stupid, because he'll probably get angry at you and then go about his life; whereas laying into women like that will get you beaten in the nearest back-alley because women actually wander away hurt and people don't give you a pass on that one. That's about the extent of data I have here.

The experiment might just end up with someone telling you a bunch of dudes are assholes but they don't see why women can't just "man up" and quit whining. This is especially-likely when you've prepared someone for the experience ahead of time by allowing them to consider the ramifications and then put themselves there by intent: they go in with stronger defenses, and will generally attempt to achieve validation rather than understanding.

Re:I wish them luck

[Ol Olsoc]

But now that both liberals and conservatives have turned sex-negative again, fat chance.

Hopefully this will change. We have seen the (hopefully) ultimate of sex negative in the #metoo movement, which has mixed legitimate events with ones that are one step away from gender apartheid, like the Ansari Assiz event, where a date that a woman didn't enjoy was cast as a legitimate reason to destroy his career. The sex negative outlook of the third wave feminists casts women as fundamentally weak. Fragile minds that are so easily damaged beyond repair that Victorian women would be disgusted by the concept that women are that weak.

So as marriage rates that were already plummeting are coupled with an active avoidance of the frail flowers that cannot withstand any adversity, and the definition of adversity extended to normal interactions - this entire sex negative worldview starts to look like a really bad idea.

And it pisses off normal women who are able to take care of themselves, enjoy sex, and might enjoy their husband sweeping them off their feet for some impromptu wild sex, which is now considered rape in the world of "Yes means yes" where the male must ask permission for every stage of intercourse, and the woman must grant it.

I suspect that the third wave feminists and their useful idiots will be marginalized soon, as more and more people understand the world they are trying to create is going to end as successfully as the shaker movement.

Re:I wish them luck

[jedidiah]

> I don't think it's fair to conflate anti-prostitution with anti-sex.

The same people that are against prostitution are generally against many of the choices you would make about your own body. This goes for both political factions.

This strange confluence of fundies and feminists has been in force since the 80s when Gloria Steinem first picketed against porn.

Re:I wish them luck

[Applehu Akbar]

And I for one will never forgive the SJWs for what they did to Garrison Keillor.

Re:I wish them luck

[Notabadguy]

Just bloody masturbate. Rant rant rant.

Spoken like someone who's never put their dick in a woman's mouth.

fake news??

[Reverend Green]

It's interesting that the director of this NGO, Jaylen MacLaren, has a very unique name. Yet Google seems to know nothing at all about her background.

Perhaps there NGO is some type of front group?

Re:fake news??

[AmiMoJo]

According to the group she is a former child prostitute, so it's not that surprising that there isn't much information on Google about her.

Anyway, do we really need to investigate her personally? I mean, what is the point, other than to make an ad-hominem attack? The argument put forward here stands on its own and it doesn't matter where it comes from. It's disappointing to see how many /. stories get comments along the lines of "oh but this person is X so now everything they ever say or do must be rejected".

Re: Republican hyprocrisy again

[Reverend Green]

Tell that to the feminists.