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New York's Attorney General Is Investigating Bitcoin Exchanges (theverge.com)

The office of New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman announced today that it has launched an investigation into bitcoin exchanges. He's reportedly looking into thirteen major exchanges, including Coinbase, Gemini Trust, and Bitfinex, requesting information on their operations and what measures they have in place to protect consumers. The Verge reports: "Too often, consumers don't have the basic facts they need to assess the fairness, integrity, and security of these trading platforms," Schneiderman said in a statement. His office sent detailed questionnaires to the thirteen exchanges, asking them to disclose who owns and controls them, and how their basic operation and transaction fees work. The questionnaire also asks for specific details on how exchanges might suspend trading or delay orders, indicating Schneiderman is particularly concerned with exchanges manipulating the timing of public orders. The investigation will attempt to shed more transparency on how platforms combat market manipulation attempts and suspicious trading, as well as bots, theft, and fraud. Many of the exchanges Schneiderman is targeting, such as Beijing-based Huobi, have headquarters located outside the U.S., but the attorney general has jurisdiction over any foreign business operating in New York. Coin Center's director of research Peter Van Valkenburgh tells The Verge that the new investigation might be overkill, given the existing rules already in place for bitcoin exchanges. "Far from being unregulated," he says, "these businesses must contend with state money transmission licensing laws, federal anti-money laundering law, CFTC scrutiny for commodities spot market manipulation, SEC scrutiny for securities trading (should any tokens traded be securities), and in this case, state consumer protection investigations from the several attorneys general."

43 comments

  1. "Schneiderman Name Meaning" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    "German and Jewish (Ashkenazic): variant of Schneider, with the addition of Middle High German, Middle Low German, Yiddish man ‘man’."

    'nuff said. If you think he has ANY interest to "protect consumers", you are a dumbass.

    1. Re:"Schneiderman Name Meaning" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, just gonna shake 'em down for some campaign contributions for him and Cuomo.

    2. Re: "Schneiderman Name Meaning" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That, and possible tax targets

  2. None of them are in New York by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is the AG supposed to do about a web site located outside his jurisdiction?

    1. Re: None of them are in New York by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read the summary, heâ(TM)s gonna fuck up the butt coins and we are all gonna lol

    2. Re:None of them are in New York by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      those sites need to transact money with banks, credit card companies or brokers for consumers to buy and sell. Regardless of whether they can directly do anything to the companies they can completely fuck over their business model by shutting down their access to process funds if they choose not to comply.

    3. Re:None of them are in New York by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "shutting down their access to process funds"....OK you are partly correct. However....

      Many exchanges only allow deposits and withdrawals in BITCOIN.

      That way, nobody can stop or shut down their ability to continue doing business. There are HUNDREDS of coins to trade, once you deposit in bitcoin.

      Pretty clever, huh? Think that trend might increase as a result of this?

      And no, I don't need a bank still. I buy/sell bitcoins all the time for cash. Nobody can trace it or prove anything.

      LONG LIVE BITCOIN

    4. Re:None of them are in New York by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      they can completely fuck over their business model by shutting down their access to process funds if they choose not to comply.

      The feds can do that. The NY-AG can not.

      The NY-AG's main focus is driving financial sector jobs out of NY, while building a platform for a run at the governorship.

    5. Re:None of them are in New York by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      That's been the pattern since Spitzer

    6. Re: None of them are in New York by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Retard, how will you buy bitcoin?

    7. Re: None of them are in New York by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can buy it with cash. look it up, you lazy fuck.

  3. election time again by ohgary · · Score: 0

    Apparently election time for the AG is coming...

    1. Re:election time again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      perhaps. but it's more like someone has to step-up for the people when at the federal level (outside of mueller and his staff) it's a shitshow of total incompetence.

  4. Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's been long time coming, need to protect the consumer!

    1. Re: Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Im guessing this is sarcasm but anyways.... Everyone knows the crypto markets are manipulated like crazy in all forms, especially bots and trading with other people's funds during "transaction times" HitBTC wink wink. On one hand it sucks really bad if you're trying to treat crypto like stocks but om the other, you realize it's only ridiculously profitable BECAUSE of those bots.

    2. Re: Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bitcoin is ridiculously profitable?
      I know it was like $20,000 each or something last year. What is it up to now? $100k, $200k?

      All I can find when I search is something called BTC which fell 60%...

    3. Re:Finally! by PPH · · Score: 1

      It's been long time coming, need to protect our New York based banks!

      FTFY

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    4. Re: Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was $0.50 a coin when I bought it, and as of this moment is it at $8092.95 per BTC.

      Which is a 1,616,890% increase. So I would call that ridiculously profitable!

    5. Re: Finally! by boundandgaggedwomen · · Score: 1

      I bought in at $600, so you are up more than me. Still I took the family to Disney World last year on the sale of some of my coins profits.

  5. First World Problems: 1% by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 0

    /sarcasm Let's focus on 1% of problem and ignore the 99% that actually effect New Yorkers.

    Guess they got nothing better to do.

    1. Re:First World Problems: 1% by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      yes because obviously the AG's department is only 1` person and can't possibly be working on more than one thing at a time.

    2. Re:First World Problems: 1% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A number of those exchanges refuse to do business with New Yorkers due to the bitlicence laws...But New York is going to investigate them anyway?

    3. Re:First World Problems: 1% by war4peace · · Score: 1

      "affect", rather than "effect".
      Does this fit in the 1% or the other 99%?

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    4. Re:First World Problems: 1% by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > AG's department is only 1 person

      Show me where I said they were only 1 person?

      You completely missed the point. Out of ALL the problems they _could_ be focusing on, they decide to look at a problem that is almost non-existent?!?!

      How is "investigating" Exchanges that don't even do business with New York going to solve anything???

    5. Re:First World Problems: 1% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      of course they do business with people from new York, are you that fucking naive to believe they don't? regardless what other particular higher priority issue not being investigated with exchanges should they be focusing on? remember these will be specialists in their area for exchanges/international finance etc, you can't use them to chase kiddie porn or whatever your personal pet injustice is.

  6. The same guy who sued Exxon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For climate change. A case he cannot win. Yeah, thanks asshole.

    Just for the record, why is every person from New York State a jackass?

    1. Re: The same guy who sued Exxon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No but every commenter on slashdot is

    2. Re:The same guy who sued Exxon by boundandgaggedwomen · · Score: 1

      For climate change. A case he cannot win. Yeah, thanks asshole.

      Just for the record, why is every person from New York State a jackass?

      Its in their DNA, and it afflicks them too, if they move to NY and stay more than 5 years.

  7. All cryptocurrencies are Ponzi Schemes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Are (any) fiat-currency and (any) cryptocurrency really equivalent, as cryptocurrency fans claim?
    For example, US Dollar and Bitcoin are really equals?
    Value/validity/authorization of US dollar is provided/guaranteed by US Government (and in-turn whole US Public)!
    Also, not to mention, US Dollars in any US Bank is insured by US Government!
    What authorization/guarantee/insurance is behind Bitcoin? Nothing!
    Sorry but that is the end of discussion then!

    Why do you think Satoshi Nakamoto is really hiding his identity, if Bitcoin is really such a great innovation?
    He is just someone does not like media/fan attention?
    Or, could it be really because Bitcoin (and all cryptocurrencies followed it) are actually Ponzi Schemes?
    (So he knew very well that law enforcement would come after him sooner or later?!)

    If so-called cryptocurrencies are really good innovation, why they attract so many criminals/criminal activity?
    Could it really be because, all cryptocurrencies themselves are scams, and that is why they attract all kinds of criminals/criminal activity?

    If so-called cryptocurrencies are really currency, why no company/store can use Bitcoin as currency anymore?
    Because the price of Bitcoin proved to be extremely unstable to use as a currency?
    Would the result be different, if Bitcoin replaced by any other "cryptocurrency"?
    Aren't all work the same way?

    If so-called cryptocurrencies are really money; isn't people issuing their own money, illegal already, in all countries?
    If so then, why they are still not banned in all countries?

    Or, they are not actually virtual currency but virtual investment?
    But, if they are actually investment, why we need/want them?
    What would happen to world economy, if people invested in virtual investments, instead of real investments?

    Or, all so-called cryptocurrencies are actually just a modified (made decentralized and paying variable interest) Ponzi Schemes?
    (Price of cryptocurrencies would keep increasing in the long term (by their design), so it is equivalent of paying variable interest to all long term investors.)

    As more and more people invest in cryptocurrencies, it will become harder and harder to ban their trading everywhere!
    All cryptocurrencies need to be banned globally before it is too late!

    1. Re:All cryptocurrencies are Ponzi Schemes by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Ivan, it's you again.
      Hello.

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  8. BS by fred911 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Far from being unregulated,"

    That they are. They aren't required to maintain an orderly market (fill orders at best available price at that time). They're not required to post a bid/ask that they can't front run and they can buy and sell from their own account when there's better pricing available.

      This allows them to manipulate the spread that a listed or transparent market automatically corrects.

      The main issue is front running and not being required to maintain an orderly market. Spot sellers need to provide their own lubricant.

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    1. Re:BS by supremebob · · Score: 1

      Most of the exchanges have gotten been pretty smart about fraud prevention, though, and have added large disclaimers in their FAQ's to protect themselves from liability.

      They often say things like:

      "WE ARE NOT A BANK"
      "WE CANNOT REFUND YOUR BITCOIN TRANSACTION"
      "WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE IF YOU ENTER AN INCORRECT PAYMENT ADDRESS"
      "WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE IF YOU GIVE YOUR PRIVATE KEY TO A THIRD PARTY SITE"

      While these statements are true, I'm curious how many of them will hold up on court. They just might try to force next generation cryptocurrencies to have some sort of built in government regulated anti-fraud regulations to match their fiat currency equivalents.

    2. Re:BS by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      They often say things like:

      "WE ARE NOT A BANK"
      "WE CANNOT REFUND YOUR BITCOIN TRANSACTION"
      "WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE IF YOU ENTER AN INCORRECT PAYMENT ADDRESS"
      "WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE IF YOU GIVE YOUR PRIVATE KEY TO A THIRD PARTY SITE"

      Simply because they say these things does not make it legally so. If I say to you "I am not committing fraud", but in fact I am, your "agreement" to my statement does not absolve me.

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    3. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's the other way around. If I say to you "I might be committing fraud" (that some exchanges do), and I do, my statement does not absolve me.

    4. Re:BS by fred911 · · Score: 1

      " If I say to you "I might be committing fraud" (that some exchanges do), and I do, my statement does not absolve me."

      And likewise, being a participant (after hearing that type of disclosure) doesn't absolve you, it actually confirms your complicity of any/all fraud thereafter committed.

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  9. I have an alternative theory by Pollux · · Score: 2

    Back on April 11th, Vice News put up a really interesting documentary titled, "Street Gangs on the Dark Web". In the video, a reporter interviews a former drug dealer who has been using Bitcoin and the Dark Web to buy blank credit cards, reprogram them using stolen credit card data on the Dark Web, use the cards to get cash and goods, then use some of the gains to buy Bitcoin anonymously at these exchanges to continue funding his enterprise. And they also shared that a large majority of these walk-up Bitcoin exchanges are in the state of New York.

    I suspect the attorney general watched the documentary as well. Because the video has mysteriously been taken down, with no mention found ask to why, and a Google search for "Vice News Street Gangs on the Dark Web" proves the video at one point did exist, but none of the links contain the video any longer. Mod points to anyone who can find a working copy of the video.

    1. Re:I have an alternative theory by war4peace · · Score: 2

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      I suspect it will be removed soon although it's unlisted.
      Check this link as well: https://drive.google.com/file/...

      If it gets removed from there, I have downloaded it and will make it available through a torrent file if need be.

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  10. Question by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

    Are attorney generals required to be members of the bar, or are they political operatives who manage attorneys and decide on priorities?

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  11. Many companies won't do business with NY or NY'ers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In New Hampshire we have a lot of crypto currency vending machines and one of the more recent entrance into the market here I had the opportunity to sit down and talk with about his operations. He indicated that there were restrictions on his machines to prevent users from New York from making purchases explicitly because he didn't want to risk being tied up with NY bull shit regulations. The cost of complying with the regulations significantly increases the fees. When you start comparing the businesses which refuse to do business in NY or even in other states with more regulation you'll see a huge difference in the fees paid. Who would have thought? Less regulation = good. While there are some risks the risks are relatively low, but the smartest of us don't utilize these exchanges at all. Why bother when it means you'll increase your risk of suffering from significant amount of government tyranny. There is a reason I don't deal with exchanges. When I purchase crypto currencies I purchase them from others wanting to sell off-line. Now I am in New Hampshire so this is relatively easy because we have lots of people even in a small town like I live who buy, sell, and just plain old receive as payment regularly. And while a small percentage of people here treat crypto currencies as an investment most of us just use it as a currency. Overall we've probably all done better than compared to those holding US dollars or other traditional currencies. I certainly know I have.

  12. THE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    END.

    R>I>P

  13. Violation of Oath by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the A.G. SHOULD be doing is investigating state and city law makers on gun control issues.

    Per the U.S. Constitution Article 6 Section 2, any state law in direct conflict with a valid federal law results in the state law without standing. The law makers are also in violation of Title 42 of the U.S. Code, and title 18 of the U.S. Code which is a felony. This applies to the law makers, law enforcers, and the judges.

    Step up to the plate A.G. and do your job.

  14. I think the NYAG should stay in NY. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    None of these businesses are based in New York, and as a STATE attorney general, he has NO RIGHT to investigate interstate commerce.

    I think the New York Attorney General should stay in New York where he belongs. Doing business with New Yorkers across state lines does NOT put you under the jurisdiction of New York law enforcement.

    Interstate commerce is under the SOLE jurisdiction of the Federal Government.

  15. New York AG uses his position for political gain by boundandgaggedwomen · · Score: 1

    It seems every single NY AG, just uses his position for political gain.