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Pasta Is Good For You, Say Scientists Funded By Big Pasta (buzzfeed.com)

Earlier this month, numerous news outlets reported on a study which concludes that eating pasta is good for health. In fact, the reports claimed, eating pasta could help you lose weight. Except, there is more to the story. BuzzFeed News reports: What those and many other stories failed to note, however, was that three of the scientists behind the study in question had financial conflicts as tangled as a bowl of spaghetti, including ties to the world's largest pasta company, the Barilla Group. Over the last decade or so, with the rise of the Atkins, South Beach, paleo, and ketogenic diets, Big Pasta has battled a societal shift against carbohydrates -- and funded and promoted research suggesting that noodles are good for you.

At least 10 peer-reviewed studies about pasta published since 2008 were either funded directly by Barilla or, like the one published this month, were carried out by scientists who have had financial ties to the company, which reported sales of 3.4 billion euros ($4.2 billion) in 2016. For two years, Barilla has publicized some of these studies, plus others favorable to its product, on its website with taglines like "Eat Smart Be Smart...With Pasta" and "More Evidence Pasta Is Good For You." And the company hired the large public relations firm Edelman to push the latest study's findings to journalists.

220 comments

  1. Not a malicious ad? by amazingxkcd · · Score: 1

    Any italians here able to comment on how pasta empowers their conversational gesticulars?

    1. Re:Not a malicious ad? by kamapuaa · · Score: 5, Funny

      Missed opportunity. Should have said "first pasta."

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    2. Re:Not a malicious ad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean "gesticulations"?

    3. Re:Not a malicious ad? by rojash · · Score: 1

      Think he meant testiculars

    4. Re:Not a malicious ad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think he meant testiculars

      Pasta is healthy for those too. Say Scientists funded by Big Testicles.

    5. Re:Not a malicious ad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same way Italian reds do. What matters most is how much better at gesticularization they are compared to German whites. And those Greek oysters from the certain coastal town, best in the world ..but they are growing the same species at other pla.. best in the world!.

    6. Re:Not a malicious ad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think he meant testiculars

      Pasta is healthy for those too. Say Scientists funded by Big Testicles.

      Yeah, but self-study is unethical... and oddly enough only one type is ever employed by Big Testicles.

    7. Re:Not a malicious ad? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      In Amsterdam, a study on the use of Sex and Drugs are good you was funded by Big Pharma, and Big ...

    8. Re:Not a malicious ad? by Q-Hack! · · Score: 1

      I don't really care what the pseudo scientists say. If I die having sex and eating pasta, my life would be complete.

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    9. Re:Not a malicious ad? by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      I smell a giant Pastafarian conspiracy at work here...

    10. Re:Not a malicious ad? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Bravo! I wish I had the points to mod you up

  2. please enquote "Scientists" by davecotter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the heading, you should enquote "Scientists" to indicate the irony. A Scientist is not a Shill. A Shill is not a Scientist.

    1. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like the way you verbed that noun. AFAIK "enquote" isn't a real word. But I guess it is now.

      Personally I would have said (or written) "...you should have used quotes around 'Scientists' to indicate..."

    2. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes.

    3. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by OzPeter · · Score: 2

      I like the way you verbed that noun. AFAIK "enquote" isn't a real word. But I guess it is now.

      Personally I would have said (or written) "...you should have used quotes around 'Scientists' to indicate..."

      To quote Calvin

      Verbing weirds language

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    4. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by Bryansix · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, that's disingenuous. All Scientists are susceptible to bias. Biases are hard to root out and many of them are unconscious. It's very hard for any scientist to ignore their source of funding. It's even hard for a scientist to basically put themselves out of a job. Money is a great motivating tool. The point here is scientists are all human and are all fallible and susceptible to bias. Science has never failed me but scientists have.

    5. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's the kind of BS up with which we should not put.

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    6. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      I like the way you verbed that noun. AFAIK "enquote" isn't a real word. But I guess it is now.

      Technically, "quote" is a verb, not a noun. "To quote" is to repeat what someone said. The noun form is "quotation", and the noun for the punctuation is "quotation mark". Both of the nouns are commonly shortened to "quote", though.

    7. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though the GP made a cromulent remark, I'm still happy for the embiggening of my vocabulary.

    8. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by KeensMustard · · Score: 1

      Which "climate scientists" do you mean? The ones funded by gas, oil and coal companies and/or their PR goons?

    9. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He never claimed to be a grammatician.

    10. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You mean, "no true scientist is a shill".

      I don't know of anything that prevents a scientist ("a person who is studying or has expert knowledge of one or more of the natural or physical sciences") from shilling, or a shill from sciencing.

    11. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by bigtreeman · · Score: 2

      Scientists cease to be scientists when they don't use proper scientific method.
      They become guys in stupid white coats.

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    12. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Up with, that's the kind of BS we should not put. Hmmph.

      Yoda'd that for you...

    13. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      It's really quite absurd to think that unconscious bias has anything whatsoever to do with this.

      “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” -- Upton Sinclair

    14. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone call Scotland and let them know they can take a breather, we have a new NO TROO thing to take some of the load off.

    15. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No a Scientist is someone that comes up with scientific conclusion that are beyond reproach. After all it is science. In this case we have some pasta scientists making perfectly valid conclusions about pasta. Sure it was paid for by the pasta lobby. But once again these are scientists, pasta scientists, so unless you have spend the last 20 years of your life studying pasta like these pasta scientists have you are not qualified to question the scientific findings of scientists. A pasta scientists would never change their scientific findings of science to reflect the whims off their boss. That would be unscientific. One think I know is that scientists are always scientific.

      Hooray for Pasta Scientists, and hooray for the Great Flying Spaghetti monster.

    16. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No by definition, whatever method a scientist uses becomes the scientific method. You sound like one of those people that believes the Earth is only 6000 years old.

      Remember if you do not believe everything ever said by a scientist you are a racist homophobic nut job who believes the earth was created 6000 years ago in 6 days.

      The word 'science' has become so corrupted in today's world that the thinkers of the enlightenment would be aghast.

      There should be another word for 'old timey science' which encouraged people to analyze evidence and come up with their own reasoned thoughts vs the new modern politically correct science that requires people to accepts as a matter of faith all the diverse conclusions of Scientist as if they spoke from on high.

    17. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So, how about "researchers" then.
      If you already know what you are going to find you aren't really researching anything.

    18. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      By itself being funded by pasta or whoever does not disqualify the science or the scientist. The science may be valid. If an interested party thinks there is scientific proof if only one goes looking for it, but nobody else is interested in investigating then in principle it is ok to do the investigation. The results of the research can be validated and reviewed on their own.
      In practice the situation is slightly different and a lot of research is worthless only serves a PR operation in someway. For instance it offers a valid scientific result which is actually uninteresting but it can easily be misrepresented as something interesting. Then the scientist strictly speaking is not a shill. Not far off though. There's a lot of this 'shifting responsibility around' stuff.

    19. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by Falconnan · · Score: 1

      Yes. "Enquote" is a real word. As in, I enquoted "enquote". This could get real recursive, real quick.

      My work here is done.

    20. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by will_die · · Score: 1

      Any of them that receive money for the work they do.

    21. Re:please enquote "Scientists" by KeensMustard · · Score: 1
      So, definitely the ones funded by gas, oil and coal companies and/or their PR goons,

      But probably not the ones who had their funding threatened because they defied the narrative of the government and the coal, gas and oil companies that own those governments, nor the ones who carried on speaking the truth after the lives and lives of their families were threatened by denialist thugs.

  3. I love it if ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... I can get it pasta my mouf.

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  4. Flying Spaghetti Monster by registrations_suck · · Score: 5, Funny

    The blessings of the Flying Spaghetti Monster are numerous and provided with great love....and usually a nice sauce.

    1. Re:Flying Spaghetti Monster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ew, hold the sauce please.

    2. Re:Flying Spaghetti Monster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was going to ask if "Big Pasta" meant the Flying Spaghetti Monster. After all, when you hear the word "monster" it generally evokes images of a large beast that could potentially swallow a person whole. So then it would be, by definition, big, and spaghetti is a kind of pasta.... so you have big pasta!

    3. Re:Flying Spaghetti Monster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ramen

  5. Blacklist these groups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In an ideal world the Scientists are blacklisted, the research Groups are blacklisted, and the world moves on to "Real Science."

    Oh, that's right, we don't have much real science going on, it's almost all corporate driven marketing or self-beneficial now.

    1. Re:Blacklist these groups? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This post brought to you by Post-Truth! Working to put uninformed gut feelings on par with history, science, and math since 2016!

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    2. Re:Blacklist these groups? by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Considering various groups pushing intersectionality have been pushing this hard for the last few years? Sounds about right, so far we've got "feminist math" "black science" demands to "decolonize various STEM fields" and so on. Just remember the rabbit hole isn't what you're looking into, it's already here.
       

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    3. Re:Blacklist these groups? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Oh, that's right, we don't have much real science going on

      I wish some scientist would come and do a scientific study on "Confirmation bias among Slashdot ACs". But really that's what we call settled science even without a scientific study.

    4. Re:Blacklist these groups? by Kjella · · Score: 2

      This post brought to you by Post-Truth! Working to put uninformed gut feelings on par with history, science, and math since 2016!

      Meh, the post-truth movement is as old as time itself. Heck even an octopus has figured out that if a clear view of the situation is not to your advantage blot it out with ink. For every situation there's someone willing to believe it's a false flag operation or that the real news are fake. There was no massacre, they're all hired actors. Nobody got assassinated, it's a conspiracy to accuse us. Heck, there's still people who think Holocaust didn't happen despite so many tons of evidence and testimony across millions of stories. But the people who want to believe differently probably think there's a secret Jew camp ghostwriting stories, photoshopping pictures, falsifying records and built the concentration camps as props. There will always be more and less sane people that refuse facts as fiction.

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    5. Re:Blacklist these groups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, we just have "math', "science", and "STEM". The right is trying to invent terms like "feminist math" to describe actual math that comes to conclusions and proofs that hurt their feelings. Same as with science and STEM; the right is provably on the wrong side of the logic here, it's been proven multiple times and even a lot of right wingers are hopping off their crazy train to rejoin the reality based community, but for every one that jumps off and can be employed in STEM fields again, another seems to double down and abandon all logic and reason to whine about how it's not politically correct to anger people with impunity anymore (aka James Damore, who was always a shitty engineer according to his job history and colleagues).

    6. Re:Blacklist these groups? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      The right is trying to invent terms like "feminist math" to describe actual math that comes to conclusions and proofs that hurt their feelings

      Oh child. You've only proven yourself to be an idiot. Sorry, but the left, feminists, "black rights" groups already have you beat. It's almost like you can't realize that you're part of the same group of people trying to destroy western civilization.

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  6. If you're allergic ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... try anti-pasta.

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    1. Re:If you're allergic ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      They no longer sell anti-pasta in my local grocery store after someone mixed up the boxes and put in the same bin as the regular pasta.
      The store went out of business shortly thereafter because it became a rapidly expanding cloud of super-heated plasma.
      People also left them a lot of bad yelp reviews.

    2. Re:If you're allergic ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's rice pasta for that

    3. Re:If you're allergic ... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Instantly reminded me of the Wog Boy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    4. Re:If you're allergic ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Thank you so much for the reference. I had not seen it. I use that line a lot and now I have a audio/visual aid.

      Well played. Pun intended.

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    5. Re:If you're allergic ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Fuck

      I am familiar with the theory of pasta and anti-pasta, but wow.

      You fuddy.

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    6. Re:If you're allergic ... by slew · · Score: 1

      ... try anti-pasta.

      <NIT>
      anti-pasta - "anti" meaning before as in what you eat before the pasta, because if you don't actually eventually eat pasta later, there is technically no anti-pasta (just like if there was no war, there wouldn't be an antebellum).

      So if you are allergic to pasta, you just eat starters (aka antipasti meaning before-the-meal), not anti-pasta, because after eating anti-pasta, you would then be doomed to eat the pasta you were trying to avoid... ;^)
      </PICK>

    7. Re:If you're allergic ... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I tried to find a longer clip where his date corrects him about what antipasto actually is right before the chef hurls abuse at him saying "when you gonna get a new joke".

      But alas Youtube failed me :(

    8. Re:If you're allergic ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Thanks.

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  7. Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ironic coming from BuzzFeed which is ok with pseudo-scientists lambasting "biological essentialism" when it comes to social justice evangelist shit,
    but are ok with pointing out bullshit science behind pasta marketing.
    Someone replace the source with some other website which won't tarnish this article by the source name alone. Buzzshit of all places.

    1. Re:Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Also, in other news "The world is getting warmer, Say Scientists Funded By Global Warming Alarmist"

    2. Re:Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The world is getting warmer the more fat people there are, but good luck getting that past the BuzzShit fat acceptance feminists and their social justice.

  8. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Elephant Crap is good for you too, according to the Elephant Feces 'Scientists' among us. It's high in fiber.

  9. everything in moderation by SirSlud · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just eat some pasta, or don't eat some pasta. Unless you're eating pasta three times a day, and nothing else, who the fuck cares. Have some pasta. Have some fruit. Have some vegetables. Have some meat. Don't eat garbage, and don't eat one and only one thing.

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    1. Re:everything in moderation by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      Pasta in moderation, except if you're insulin resistant (like half the US population), and then it's better to not eat it at all.

    2. Re:everything in moderation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm zymarikaphobic, you insensitive clod

    3. Re:everything in moderation by fazig · · Score: 1

      As long as you keep your total amount of carbs in check it should be fine. It's some old folk wisdom that you can eat anything (let's not be too pedantic here) if you eat in moderation.
      But if you eat a bowl of sugar and starch for breakfast aka cereals, a plate of starch like pasta for lunch, and then puffy slice of sugar and starch like a cake for dinner over a longer period of time, your pancreas might not be able to keep up with it for very long. Add the sedentary lifestyle that seems to become ever so popular and you'll get full blown type 2 diabetes before you turn 50.

    4. Re:everything in moderation by suutar · · Score: 1

      the catch, of course, is defining "moderation". For most people, lacking a real definition, it winds up working out as "what I'm used to".

    5. Re:Everything in moderation by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Do people ever realize how neat and novel, historically, that our main problem is, of too much nutritious, energetic cheap food?

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  10. ... Say Scientists Funded by Big Governments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Odd how all the skepticism falls away when people agree with the agenda. Position bias is real, says scientists funded by anybody.

  11. Everything in moderation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eat moderate amounts of a variety of foods and you don't have to worry about any of this.

    For real.

  12. Uhh, yeah? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only ones who are going to spend big money on researching pasta have some kind of interest in pasta. I'm unaware of any large anti-pasta interest groups so naturally the only remaining group who would fund pasta research are pasta producers. Not like big oil is going to run around researching pasta, and the government is too busy trying to determine how many different genders can be applied to the genus Melocactus.

    1. Re:Uhh, yeah? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. People are quick to dismiss results based on the funding source, when what they really need to be asking is "was the methodology sound, and the conclusion accurate?" Sure, where you money comes from *can* bias results, but to automatically assume it *does* is as ridiculous as just accepting the research without question!

    2. Re:Uhh, yeah? by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      Also, it's naive to think the meat industry (which is a much more real and organized thing than "Big Pasta") had no finger in the whole high-meat diet fads thing.

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    3. Re:Uhh, yeah? by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      Cargill produces and controls most of the worlds wheat production. Maybe bigger than most meat producers.

    4. Re:Uhh, yeah? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But scientist used to claim with scientific certainty that phrenology could be used to predict human intelligence and personality. They made this scientific conclusion without any vested anti-phrenology lobby trying to discredit them. Yet discredited they were. What makes one so certain climate scientist are not wrong this time? Unlike the olden days when you could actually question the validity of a phrenologist, today you are not allowed to question anything a scientist says. We must accept the word of scientists as if they were coming from the word of God herself.

  13. Lose weight by Ryanrule · · Score: 2

    Move more, eat less. No, you are not genetically fat, you just have no willpower and are lazy.

    1. Re:Lose weight by cbdougla · · Score: 2

      Hey! I resemble that remark!

    2. Re:Lose weight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for perpetuating that wonderfully profitable myth!

      - Your Friendly CorpFood Giant

    3. Re:Lose weight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How's it a myth? The liver is responsible for regulating fat in the body.
      Unless you have lost your liver then there's no genetic obesity, there's just an individual's inability to understand how their liver functions and how to regulate carbonhydrate intake and avoid insulin dependence and glycogen production in order to allow the liver to focus on fats and produce ketones.
      That's the chemical part of the equation, the other is eating a quantity of food which doesn't result in weight gain over a week of experiment, no matter how little it is regardless of your feelings about it.
      Fat people who whine about genetics are uneducated about how their body works in the first place.

    4. Re:Lose weight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Move more, eat less" is the myth.

    5. Re:Lose weight by suutar · · Score: 1

      I am not, it is true. But I know people who are. Yes, really.

    6. Re:Lose weight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you are not genetically fat, you just have no willpower and are lazy.

      You clearly have no idea WTF you're talking about, but you're just parroting something you heard once.

      I know big people. I am a big people. My wife is a big people.

      When I look at the childhood pictures of people who have always been big people, at a young age you can spot which person you're talking about even if the face is covered -- because at a certain age, that little fat kid is just physically bigger than the rest of the kids.

      When you see a 7 year old who is physically larger in every dimension than their peers, that kid is an endomorph, and that kid is always going to fight to not lose weight. At that age, they'll be taller and wider than their peers -- and I'm talking shoulder and hop width type stuff. If you're an endomorph, your skeletal structure and shape pretty much doom you to be big, and no matter what you do 'skinny' isn't an option.

      Yes, lots of people are fat because they eat crap and don't exercise. Lots of people are big because nature made them that way, and nothing you do is going to readily change that.

      This is a real thing, it's been around for decades, and your not knowing it doesn't make the shit you say true.

    7. Re:Lose weight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I moved more and ate less, and I lost 150 pounds. I'm now at my ideal weight and have been for years. If you're fat and don't want to do the same, that's fine. You can keep smoking, too. It's about as bad for you as staying fat.

    8. Re:Lose weight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't understand the science, you don't have to pretend you do. You can simply not say anything.

    9. Re:Lose weight by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      You know, 'eat less, move more' has been known, for decades, to be incorrect. Cut down your sugar intake as much as possible, on the other hand, and watch your weight melt off and probably your diabeetus go away.

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    10. Re:Lose weight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude's big boned. Don't you know everyone isn't tiny boned?

    11. Re:Lose weight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But isn't lazyness and lack of willpower a consequence of the genes?

      I am told I can't discriminate against brown skinned people because they had no choice but to be born brown skinned. Well my genes disposed me to be lazy and enjoy eating pasta I demand my employer not discriminate and give me as much money as those people who are genetically disposed to be hard working, intelligent, and eat salads.

      Lazy pasta eaters have lives that matter too.

    12. Re:Lose weight by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You know, 'eat less, move more' has been known, for decades, to be incorrect.

      Hence all those fat bastards you see in films & photos of Belsen.

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    13. Re:Lose weight by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Ok, let me switch to pedantic mode.

      You know, 'eat less, move more' as a method of voluntary weightloss, or an expression that human beings can be treated as basic physics test questions, has been discredited for decades. Turns out that if you're overweight, and simply cut calories, your metabolism will slow down to accommodate. You should read further into the current scientific understanding of such things, I suggest Dr. Jason Fung's "The Obesity Code" as an excellent starting off point, which references a lot of studies and what not for further examination."

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    14. Re:Lose weight by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Unless there are humans with chloroplasts, that's utter rubbish.

      Yes, there's an efficiency factor. No, it can't go higher than 1.

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  14. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we please refrain from using Buzzfeed as a credible source of news?

    Also, when did Big Pasta Corp become a thing?

    1. Re:Really? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > when did Big Pasta Corp become a thing?

        Probably when they finally figured out in the 80's that they didn't know what the fuck they were doing W.R.T. marketing pasta sauce.

      Episode is: Perfect Pasta Sauce (The Jimquisition REMASTERED)

  15. INCORRECT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I drink only Soylent, and it has everything anyone needs.
    Except for the once-a-week I go out to a restaurant, but that is just to keep my wife minimally satisfied.

    1. Re:INCORRECT by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Don't worry. Keep consuming soylent green and one day you'll "satisfy" your wife.

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    2. Re: INCORRECT by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Soylent-only diets are for fools. Nobody knows all the micronutrients humans need for good health. That's one important reason to eat real food.

      Your wife's insistence that you share at least one meal with her a week may be keeping you alive.

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    3. Re: INCORRECT by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I also hear that Soylent gives you awful haunted demon farts, so his wife might just want to eat outside to get some fresh air.

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  16. It *is* good for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless, of course, you sit on your fucking ass all day. Then, not so much.

  17. Pearls Before Swine ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... by Stephan Pasta.

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    1. Re:Pearls Before Swine ... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      ... by Stephan Pasta.

      Can't wait for someone to plagiarize Stephan's comic so he can sue them, claiming copypasta.

      [ P.S. Love you Elly Elephant ]

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  18. Low-carb = kidney damage by DavidHumus · · Score: 1

    Since these fad diets are not based on science - and the people who adopt either don't know or don't care - maybe pasta companies could emphasize...oh, never mind, reason will always be a distant second, at best.

    1. Re:Low-carb = kidney damage by religionofpeas · · Score: 3, Funny

      citation required.

      In the mean time, most kidney failure in the US is caused by eating too much carbs.

    2. Re:Low-carb = kidney damage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      citation required for your claim as well.

    3. Re:Low-carb = kidney damage by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      citation required.

      In the mean time, most kidney failure in the US is caused by eating too much carbs.

      So you call out the summary because it doesn't provide a citation for its claim, then you make your own sweeping claim also without citation?

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    4. Re:Low-carb = kidney damage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It can happen: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc052709

    5. Re:Low-carb = kidney damage by religionofpeas · · Score: 1, Informative

      My claim is not a big secret: https://www.kidney.org/atoz/co...

    6. Re:Low-carb = kidney damage by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      And another one:

      > High blood glucose, also called blood sugar, can damage the blood vessels in your kidneys.

      https://www.niddk.nih.gov/heal...

    7. Re:Low-carb = kidney damage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh right, more Big Pea money studies conflicting with Big Pasta's conclusions.

    8. Re:Low-carb = kidney damage by apoc.famine · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes. When someone makes a claim counter to current understanding and research, it is upon them to provide evidence.

      You may not understand that renal failure is primarily caused by type two diabetes, which is primarily caused by a high carb diet without enough exercise, and that is fine. (If you don't understand it, you probably should. It might well prolong your life.)

      What you shouldn't do is arbitrarily pick a side, and ask the guy saying, "the sky is blue, prove that it's pink" to make his case for it being blue. That makes you look ignorant. We have search engines for a reason. The links on these pages titled "Reply to This" are not search engines.

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    9. Re:Low-carb = kidney damage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are making an assertive claim as to what is or is not established science, then it behooves you to provide a citation. Regardless of "current understanding and research", because who's to say what qualifies under that heading?

      If I claim "the sky is pink", then sure, I should provide a citation for that. But if I reply saying "nonsense, the sky is blue", then I need to provide a citation for that too - because, however self-evident it seems to you, it is at this moment under dispute. A citation will, if nothing else, clarify the basis of your claim and give the opponent something to argue with.

    10. Re:Low-carb = kidney damage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Those links don't support the assertion 'most kidney failure in the US is caused by eating too much carbohydrate'

      They support the assertion 'hyperglycaemia causes kidney damage'

      The two statements are miles apart. Sure, if you have diabetes then feasting on pasta may result in hyperglycaemia. But if like most people you aren't a diabetic (or suffering from a couple of other conditions) eating masses of pasta every day simply won't result in hyperglycaemia because, well, insulin.

      What it might do is make you really fat if you don't excercise to get rid of the calories. And being really fat can prevent insulin working properly, and then once again you may be at risk of hyperglycaemia.

      That said, pasta is one of the better carbs to eat if you are prone to hjypergaycaemia because it releases sugar pretty slowly.

      None of which comes close to addressing whether hyperglycaemia is itself the main cause of kidney failure in the US, and that's a whole other matter (and I have no idea if it is or isn't).

    11. Re:Low-carb = kidney damage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My claim is not a big secret: https://www.kidney.org/atoz/co...

      Yet there's no mention of pasta or carbs on that page!

  19. Durum tshhh by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1

    Rice is nice, but pasta's faster.

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    1. Re:Durum tshhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do the Commonwealth accents pronounce "pasta" and "faster" with the same vowel?
      It's really weird. It's not like they can't make make the right sound; they just spell it "ar".
      Remember back when Obama was running for president, and the British newsreaders pronounced the second syllable of his name "bam"?

  20. "Big Pasta"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that's called rigatoni.

    1. Re: "Big Pasta"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rigatoni? Try Manicotti and the real king, Lasagna.

  21. Hungry for Apples? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are apples? Apples are food.
    And when do we need food? When we're hungry.

    1. Re:Hungry for Apples? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brought to you by the Apple Council.

  22. Obligatory "King Pin" movie reference by Lucas123 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ishmael: "You really should try to quit, Mr. Munson. They say it's bad for your heart, your lungs. It quickens the aging process."

    Roy: "Is that right. Who's done more research on the subject than the good people at the American Tobacco Industry? They say it's harmless. Why would they lie? If you're dead, you can't smoke."

  23. shocking ... by Hugh+Jorgen · · Score: 1

    Science has been in the pockets of governments and lobbyists for decades now.

  24. Big Pasta? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you know why it's called Big Pasta? Because it ate too much pasta.

    Ah, BURN! /Fez

    1. Re:Big Pasta? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The mafia... The only thing worse than Big Asparagus.

    2. Re:Big Pasta? by PPH · · Score: 1

      I'd rather support my local pasta farmers.

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    3. Re:Big Pasta? by Tyler+Durden · · Score: 1

      The Pasta Nostra?

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  25. Pasta IS good for you by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    It's a very low fat source of protein and energy. Extremely low fat in proportion to the others. I eat a pound of pasta every day as part of my 4,000 calorie per day diet (pasta contains approximately 1,600 calories in a pound). I don't know how I'd make my calorie intake goals without it.

    1. Re:Pasta IS good for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      aol.com

      Stopped reading there.

    2. Re:Pasta IS good for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always add oil in it. Rapeseed or olive.

  26. Good for you... by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

    "good for you" is too broad a statement and can't be scientifically validated. Pasta tends to have a lower glycemic index (GI) than most bread and potatoes and some varieties of rice as they're typically eaten, meaning that it keeps your blood-glucose levels more even and puts less load on your pancreas (which produces insulin). But then pasta tends to be calorie dense and so easy to overeat, leading to weight-gain and perhaps obesity and all its accompanying health effects. Also, what do people typically have with their pasta? Fatty, calorie-dense, and/or high-GI sauces, toppings, and/or condiments?

    Yes, pasta can be part of a healthy meal but it can also be part of a very unhealthy meal. We should be talking about healthy meals, not individual ingredients.

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  27. We need carbs to live. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think, like with all things, moderation is key when it comes to pasta. If you've ever gotten into distance training, you'll know that you can scarf down massive quantities of carbs in a day and still be losing weight. However, if you sit at a desk ten hours a day, then go home and sit on the couch for another five, then go to bed, you can eat a minimal amount of carbs and pack on the pounds.

    What the pasta companies SHOULD be doing is promoting "healthy" pasta eating, and showing how pasta can be a part of a healthy life IF YOU GET OFF YOUR ASS AND MOVE AROUND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. However, if you prefer being a potato, well, sorry, the human body wasn't put together to be that way 100% of the time. So you really can't blame the pasta makers for your fat.

    I do wish we could get away from having company sponsored "scientists" performing these types of studies. Sink that money into real advertising, or, hell, research the problem in a real way rather than making up bullshit and hiring shills as scientists to promote it.

  28. Eggs, milk and butter will kill you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Reminiscent of the days when the Oleo Margarine Industry published studies telling Americans how bad butter was for their health. Eggs, milk and butter had been consumed for countless years but suddenly they were a deadly health risk, just ask the people selling the alternative product.

    1. Re:Eggs, milk and butter will kill you by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Thing was it wasn't just that industry publishing it. It was mass-reams of nutritional scientists stating the same thing. It's right in line with all those kids who drank sugary drinks in the 50's and 60's but now kids are suddenly overweight, but they never thought of the reason why. Sitting on your ass all day does have consequences, especially when government itself pushed the "keep your kids inside" bullshit.

      Just have your bacon and eggs, and use the bacon fat for other cooking too. Be happy.

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    2. Re:Eggs, milk and butter will kill you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      government itself pushed the "keep your kids inside" bullshit.

      Citation needed

    3. Re:Eggs, milk and butter will kill you by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Citation needed

      Why don't you look up the "stranger danger" BS, and then roll down the hill from there?

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  29. Sometimes you need someone with an agenda by John+Jorsett · · Score: 5, Interesting

    On the one hand, we should be skeptical of "research" funded by folks with a stake in the outcome. On the other, who else would do it? Would a study funded by an Atkins advocacy group that didn't find benefits to a low-carb diet ever see the light of day? No, it would quietly be shredded, burned, and buried. Like our adversarial court system, you need people who think that we've gotten it wrong to pony up to get the other viewpoint looked at. The real test is, are the results reproducible?

    1. Re:Sometimes you need someone with an agenda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would a study funded by an Atkins advocacy group that didn't find benefits to a low-carb diet ever see the light of day? No, it would quietly be shredded, burned, and buried.

      Just like every legit are-carbs-bad-for-you study since 1958. And now we have systemic diabetes and other inflammatory disease. Worked out great. Please don't let it happen again, but please let the low-carb folks have a bloody chance today. We're dying early by the millions, and all anyone can talk about is the 9 people that died (calculated) because of the pollution of the cars on the roads in the US, and how you should replace sour cream with yogurt.

  30. BuzzFeed is anti-science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anyone tried replicating their studies to prove that, or do we not even care about figuring out whether the data is correct or not when you can attack the person? That said, make no mistake, there are plenty of poorly-run, p-hacked, low quality studies. I just worry when the summary is all about the people and money instead of the data, and that sort of attack is even more anti-science than running a bad study.

    The BuzzFeed article is utterly terrible, it's all about people and money and the actual scientific concerns are buried about 3 pages in, after a bunch of irrelevant nonsense. Yes, I can understand being concerned about low effect sizes and not controlling for the amount of pasta consumed, but you should actually make that scientific case front & center instead of leveling personal attacks at the scientists. You can't just briefly nod at it while passing by without even using words like "effect size" and without giving any kind of real discussion of why people might think the studies are flawed. If I have to divine the fact that the scientists told you something about effect size because you apparently don't know those words, there's something horribly wrong with your article.

    Their affiliation is only a problem if they're actually wrong. So the focus should be on proving that they're wrong. Personal attacks have never once been a way to prove someone wrong because they are not even relevant to whether it's right or wrong. They're simply a buggy heuristic that lets people use their bias to make decisions without having to think.

    There's a tell for this kind of shoddy bias: look for anyone who tells you "they're bad people" without bothering to tell you "this is why they're incorrect."

    You should attack papers and ideas, not people. Then you can point out that the people are pushing badly discredited ideas and give the actual reasons why those ideas are discredited.

  31. Who cares? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    Who cares?

    If the science is accurate, who cares if "Big Pasta" funded it?

    If the science isn't accurate, then that's the problem, not who funded it.

  32. Just eat lower on the food chain by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Look, the cold hard facts are that you're better off eating lower on the food chain, and especially avoiding processed foods. Mostly because they remove nutrients and add salts and other things that you should add to taste after it's been processed. The only diet that actually works even given human behavior is the MIND diet, which is the Mediterranean Influenced diet that promotes longevity and brain function.

    Stop eating the top end carnivorous fish in sushi and eat lower in the food chain, and stop frying things in fats and you'll be good.

    All studies end up showing this. It's one of our secrets in research.

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    1. Re:Just eat lower on the food chain by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 0

      > avoiding processed foods

      Yeah? Define "Processed Foods".

    2. Re:Just eat lower on the food chain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A poor term for "food with additives and shit that has no purpose being there",
      or "food which is false advertising like honey is sold under that name yet it isn't honey but garbage syrup with a similar look and consistency".

    3. Re:Just eat lower on the food chain by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Define "Processed Foods".

      Ones which contain ingredients you couldn't recognise by taste, smell, or appearance.

      Alternatively, ones which contain things a globally representative sample of grandmothers wouldn't have had in their kitchens.

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  33. Just like the rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Barilla is just like every other cunt of a company. They would sell you poison if they thought they could make money and get away with it.

  34. Big Pasta? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 0

    Back in my day, we called them the mafia.

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  35. BLUBBERBUTT die for the planet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    obese lardwhale fat activist tumblrinas leave the biggest carbon footprint in history
    - their weight forces more fuel consumption in vehicles
    - their size requires more water and boiler energy wasted
    - their anuses release several volumes more greenhouse gases than the average person, and methane is the most destructive Greenhouse Effect gas
    - the clothes industry needs to waste more resources to create clothes that fit them
    - they produce several volumes more trash than the average person thereby polluting both land and air several times more
    - their lard clogged up and destroyed crematoriums in multiple documented cases, creating disaster for the environment and society

    Fat Acceptance = Anti-Environment acceptance
    Never forget people.

  36. You are wrong, genuine research exist by fuzzyf · · Score: 2

    Many diets are not based on science, but ketogenic diet (and Atkins as the base before it) are actually based on real science.
    If you are interested then Carl Franklin and Richard Morris does an excellent job discussing it (and linking to actual research) in their podcast "2 Keto Dudes".

    Highly recommend it if you (or anybody else) are interested in learning about the topic.
    Btw. start at show number 1 og go from there. Most of the details are explained in great detail in the first few shows.

    1. Re: You are wrong, genuine research exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So two dudes pimping the latest fad diet are feeding you real science facts? LUL

    2. Re: You are wrong, genuine research exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ketones aren't a diet, they are "3 water-soluble molecules (acetoacetate, beta-hydroxybutyrate, and their spontaneous breakdown product, acetone) that are produced by the liver from fatty acids". They help in the process of breaking down fat. The Liver, is the main organ in the body responsible for regulating fat, how it accumulates, in how much quantity, in what manner.
      To call Keto a "diet" is a misnomer, it's more of an explanation of how your liver works biologically and scientifically, factually, and how that can be used to regulate your fat. Diet comes as a byproduct of it, a diet depending on the understanding of the organ.
      This is not merely diet, this is biology and calculation.
      Try finding a single of those fad diets which explain how the liver works and how food is broken up by it, thereby explaining how food should be most efficiently taken to make use of the liver properly. You won't.

    3. Re: You are wrong, genuine research exist by fuzzyf · · Score: 1

      No.
      As I clearly stated: "They link to actual research"
      You can verify it yourself, it's just more entertaining having someone discuss it instead of reading all papers yourself. So verify those that contradicts your beliefls or read them all. It's up tp you.

    4. Re: You are wrong, genuine research exist by fuzzyf · · Score: 1

      Totaly agree, and a very valid point

      It's called Ketogenic Diet, so I used the term in my post, but I think I'll try and avoid using the term diet when discussing Keto from now on

    5. Re: You are wrong, genuine research exist by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      The uncontroversial claim is that ketosis is a thing. The controversial claim is that inducing ketosis by starving yourself of carbohydrates is a good idea.

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    6. Re: You are wrong, genuine research exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are not exactly starving yourself, 30 grams if i remember correctly is the limit of carbohydrates before ketosis is broken by passing that limit (a universal measure regardless of body size or gender or genetics), so the fundamental body requirements regarding carbohydrates aren't broken.
      You can still end up eating a crapload of food in quantity while abiding by keto if you pick your food properly and calculate the content tables with the weight.
      Of course, if you are physically active enough, you can ignore keto since the whole thing is best for short term massive weight loss and is the main prescription for diabetics and has been for a century.
      Understanding what foods consist of carbohydrates, what carbohydrates are, and how the liver works, are the main and core lessons in learning keto. If you get educated on it and have a basic understanding, then you can play with it and not strictly abide by it because it is then granted that you know how to calculate what to do with your daily activity regarding body maintenance.
      It's analogous to learning a branch of physics so you can make educated choices in what methods or tools to use to construct something, as opposed to following random graphs and diy prescriptions online and hoping for the best.

    7. Re: You are wrong, genuine research exist by fuzzyf · · Score: 1

      Too bad people can't just look at the current research. The only reason it's controversial is that it contradicts dietary beliefs.
      And I do mean beliefs.

    8. Re: You are wrong, genuine research exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The uncontroversial claim is that ketosis is a thing. The controversial claim is that inducing ketosis by starving yourself of carbohydrates is a good idea.

      It's only controversial to people that choose to read only studies and papers funded by the usual suspects. And of course those people that choose to read none at all.

      If you want to learn something it's not hard. All you need is time and the desire to spend it learning. This usually involves reading rather than watching TV, and sadly this excludes a good size portion of the general population.

      It is quite simple and cheap to run a study on yourself too. Go pick up a $20 glucose test kit at any drug store or supermarket. You get lancets, test strips, and a little meter. It'll take about 2 minutes to read the directions. It's pretty hard to screw up. 1) don't pee on the strip 2) don't eat the lancets 3)... (how dumb can people get?)

      Here's what you can do to see if any of this matters to you:
      Take and record a reading before a meal. This is your baseline.
      Eat whatever normal meal you want to eat. (Write it down if you want to repeat the experiment and compare to other foods.)
      Take and record a reading every 15 minutes for a 3 hour span, or until you are satisfied that your blood sugar is back to normal. (for extra credit graph your data points in a spreadsheet, it can look pretty cool)

      This tells you:
      1) your base line blood sugar (provided you don't habitually eat candy bars just before meals)
      2) how fast and how high your blood sugar spikes after this meal
      3) how fast your insulin response is
      4) how "in tune" your insulin response is (car analogy for /. = bouncy car with worn out shocks)
      5) if and how many times your insulin under or over corrects
      6) how long it takes your blood to get back down to a safe level

      There are research papers on what levels for what periods of time are correlated to what types of "bad things" happen. Renal failure, blindness, losing toes/feet, etc. The jist of it is, the more time you spend in your life with high levels of glucose, the more poison you are exposing yourself to. You can go read about glycation, AGEs, and plenty more.

      The really simple point is, you don't have to treat a disease if you don't give it to yourself in the first place. Many diseases are associated with type-2 diabetes.

      Want to know why there is so little real research compared to the massive pile of food and pharma industry crap? Money. Pharma wants a patent they can cash in on. Food industry wants to go as cheap and profitable as possible without technically being poison. Do these interests align with you the single human? The big players actually have a financial interest in selling you worthless food and getting you to buy as many pills as possible. Helping you live a healthy life works against their interests.

      Or, go right on eating as much carbohydrates as you want. Thanks for keeping the cost of heath insurance high.

  37. Re:Scientists with conflict of interest by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

    Nearly all of the "climate scientists" draw their salaries from government institutions.

    Except that their salaries do not depend on getting certain results. The salaries of Big Pasta do.

  38. Re:Scientists with conflict of interest by mi · · Score: 1

    Except that their salaries do not depend on getting certain results.

    Yeah, right. Suppose for a second, they conclude, there is no danger of climate change — for how much longer after arriving at that conclusion will they continue getting those salaries?

    Conflict of interest is conflict of interest...

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  39. "Whose bread I eat, his song I sing." by sehlat · · Score: 1

    This also applies to pasta, obviously.

  40. Re:Jews are chosen say the Jews. ssdd by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

    Cool story, bro.

    Stay classy!

  41. Re:Scientists with conflict of interest by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

    for how much longer after arriving at that conclusion will they continue getting those salaries?

    Most of climate research is overlapping with other research that we want to continue, such as historic climate reconstruction, weather modelling, and earth observation.

    And if you are right, why is the current Trump administration not telling these scientists to produce the results they want ?

  42. Re:Scientists with conflict of interest by Patent+Lover · · Score: 1

    You can question the consensus all you want. Jut bring some actual scientific questions.

  43. This is why papers have a "competing interest" by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    statement. Authors are supposed to disclose any funding or institutional relationships that might bias their findings.

    There's nothing wrong with Barilla funding nutrition studies, but there's a lot wrong with news organizations obtaining their understanding of nutrition from Barilla PR efforts promoting Barilla-funded research. PR efforts *always* misrepresent how conclusive studies are.

    In a subject as complex as nutrition on a question as vague as "healthy" you will always, always find conflicting evidence. Nearly every snake oil remedy sold by the supplement industry is represented as having scientific support... because it has. The supplement hucksters just leave out all the ambiguous and contradictory evidence.

    "Evidence-based" means supported by the totality of evidence. Industry-funded research has its place, but it's nothing anyone but a researcher in the field should be paying attention to. In fact it's a bad idea to take any media reports of scientific papers at face value, since very few media outlets have a dedicated science desk anymore, much less reporters who are keeping up with specific fields.

    The gold standard for the layman ought to be systematic reviews published in high impact factor journals. After that, technical reports by scientific commissions and panels tasked with reviewing evidence. General media reports of individual studies are worthless, and worse than worthless when they "news" source is allowing itself to be used as the mouthpiece of a PR firm.

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    1. Re:This is why papers have a "competing interest" by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 1

      They do have this statement. I opened a few of the scientific papers cited by TFA, and they contain a clear acknowledgment to Barilla.

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  44. Re:Scientists with conflict of interest by mi · · Score: 1

    Most of climate research is overlapping with other research that we want to continue, such as historic climate reconstruction, weather modelling, and earth observation.

    All of it only deemed necessary because of the fears of the Global Warming, err, Climate Change. Should these fears subside, the funding will go back to, say, the levels of the 1993, the bubble will deflate and 75% of the people involved in climate science today will have to look for new jobs...

    why is the current Trump administration not telling these scientists to produce the results they want?

    Because conflict of interest is more subtle than that... Trump is not relevant here — as I say, if they conclude, climate-fears are overblown, they'll lose their jobs Trump or not...

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  45. Re:Scientists with conflict of interest by mi · · Score: 1

    Just what the pasta-makers would tell you about the research in TFA.

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  46. Re: Scientists with conflict of interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If their research was remotely valid, oil companies would glady set them up with a nice fat salary.

  47. It's all balance in dietary nutrition... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: As a former NCAA athlete I learned this for producing muscle growth. You must have carbs w/ protein. Protein diets alone will make you a stringy stickboy since your body requires carbs to bind protein into muscle.

    * Of course, carbs like pasta/bread alone ("peasant food", lol) will turn you into a FAT SHIT...

    APK

    P.S.=> Too much or too little of either = "not good"... apk

    1. Re:It's all balance in dietary nutrition... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one cares that you were a bench warmer on the cheer squad, it doesn't make you seem more credible but your posting history sure does detract from your credibility.

  48. Re:Scientists with conflict of interest by Patent+Lover · · Score: 1

    Even the pasta makers won't claim there's a scientific consensus on pasta.

  49. Not surprising, still utterly disgusting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's why we can't have nice things. This dirty, underhanded mis-use of science is why there is more and more distrust overall, and why conspiracy theories and all that anti-science crap mushrooms all over the place.

    There should be a really strong punishment for that behavior. They are corrupting the very tissue which holds our society together... for some short-sighted financial gain. Yuck.

    (Note to self: never again Barilla).

  50. Big Pasta by jtara · · Score: 1

    "Big pasta" is a thing?

    You mean like giant shells, or extra-large rigatoni or Guinness-record mile-long lasagna?

    1. Re:Big Pasta by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      "Big pasta" is a thing?

      You mean like giant shells, or extra-large rigatoni or Guinness-record mile-long lasagna?

      Yes, pasta and especially spagetti should be as long as possible, according to Italians. You can find 2m long pasta in speciality stores.

  51. Not sure if it is for Pasta, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    According to Bloomberg, Italians are the world's healthiest people: https://www.weforum.org/agenda...

    And according to the OECD, Italians are the slimmest people in west, and the third-slimmest among the developed countries: https://www.oecd.org/els/healt...

    And I sincerely doubt that either of the two is on Barilla's payroll.

    1. Re:Not sure if it is for Pasta, but... by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ignoring the fact that Italians eat much smaller portions of pasta on average and usually only as a starter course. Most Italians aren’t eating mountains of spaghetti or gorging all-you-can-eat pasta bowls like in America.

    2. Re:Not sure if it is for Pasta, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, but looking at those statistics, the statement "Pasta is good for health" starts sounding far more realistic than you might think. Given that each human does need a minimum daily amount of calories, it's probably healthier to get them from pasta than from, say, fries. Fats increase blood pressure much more, for example. So eating carbs like pasta rather than fats, together with anti-oxidants like olive oil, fresher food, and a healthier lifestyle in general, is one of the reasons why Italians are so healthy.

    3. Re:Not sure if it is for Pasta, but... by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, the only statement supported by anything is small portions of pasta eaten in moderation do not adversely affect your health. I don’t see any study showing any hard correlation that it’s solely the pasta itself that is the reason Italians are so healthy. Especially when their diets on average have mamy other variance points from the average American’s diet beyond pasta.

    4. Re:Not sure if it is for Pasta, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't say "solely pasta itself", the reasoning was entirely different. At least read posts before answering.

    5. Re:Not sure if it is for Pasta, but... by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 3, Funny

      I didn’t say you did. Just so you know people can actually be referring to the general topic when posting replies.

    6. Re:Not sure if it is for Pasta, but... by rtb61 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Going to the parent article http://www.newsweek.com/pasta-..., so "ate pasta instead of other forms of carbohydrate". So this study proves, nothing, eating one form of carbohydrate is not different to eating another form of carbohydrate. In the article "Study participants ate 3.3 servings of around a half cup of pasta on average each week", what does that even mean, they ate nothing else, that was the only carbohydrate they ate, so looking at the study, oh wait, they didn't link to it, not suspicious at all (I have tried wholemeal pasta, sort of reasonable but the more times I ate it the more disturbing the flavour, simpler to only eat pasta a few times a year with a lot of high in vegetable sauce).

      Reminds me of the no sugar rush study for children eating sugar, check the study and oh look, the ensured the children only ate a very limited amount of sugar, a healthy dietary level and nothing what so ever like the amount of sugar they would normally eat. Also the calorie study where they compared the calories of coca cola to other foods, of course based upon burning them in a calorimeter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..., so that of course a kilo of wood pretty much the same a kilo of sugar, completely ignoring the principle of human digestible calories, they were of comparing high roughage foods (most of which you can not digest but pass through your digestive track) directly to bloody sugar. Then the lie with umami and msg, umami originally is a balance of salty, sweet, bitter and sour in cooking in order to generate savouriness, not adding a neuro stimulant into food to stimulate the false perceptions of flavour, incidentally an addictive one. They lie, cheat and steal at every opportunity.

      Buzzfeed is of course a shite advertising site, trying to generate buzz on articles which are actually advertisements. As web site best to be avoided, just a sham advertising platform, really lame. Sort of OK originally but really shite now. Buzzfeed should be mocked on /. not refereed to.

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    7. Re:Not sure if it is for Pasta, but... by Incadenza · · Score: 1

      Ignoring the fact that Italians eat much smaller portions of pasta on average and usually only as a starter course. Most Italians aren’t eating mountains of spaghetti or gorging all-you-can-eat pasta bowls like in America.

      Plus Mac ‘n’ Cheese isn’t anything like an Italian pasta dish.

    8. Re:Not sure if it is for Pasta, but... by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      This can help as well .. cooling pasta and reheating. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/maga...

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    9. Re:Not sure if it is for Pasta, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just so you know people can actually be referring to the general topic when posting replies.

      Starting a new discussion would have been smarter then. I don't find very productive or entertaining to read a 6-post mildly-heated exchange, finally discovering that one wasn't really rebutting the other.

    10. Re:Not sure if it is for Pasta, but... by Falconnan · · Score: 1

      In all probability, for a given range of metabolisms, pasta is probably a healthy component in a well-rounded diet. This likely even goes for small amounts of junk food. Our ancestors developed the ability to consume the widest array of foods in the known animal kingdom. This suggests that our systems are best calibrated to for exactly that. Even further, the needs likely change slowly throughout our adult lives in more subtle ways than we might imagine.

      There's no perfect diet. Diet is only one of several factors in health. I think we need to get the interested parties out of the science. Like, I have little doubt chocolate has health benefits, but I also have little doubt that it has negative health implications as well. Nothing in biochemistry is simple.

    11. Re: Not sure if it is for Pasta, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of your comment is "these studies don't agree with me, so they're wrong!"

      Burning things is how we test the calories in food, it's the standard way to do it.

      There's no difference between glutamic acid in food you add for flavor or adding glutamic acid directly. As soon as you add msg to water, the sodium ion floats off and you get glutamic acid again, it's identical to what's in cheese and all the other "umami" additives.

      You're insanely ignorant of science, but ranting about how flawed these studies are?

      Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, the problem is on your end, in your head?

  52. Statistics from Bloomberg and the OECD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to Bloomberg, Italians are the world's healthiest people: https://www.weforum.org/agenda...

    And according to the OECD, Italians are the slimmest people in west, and the third-slimmest among the developed countries: https://www.oecd.org/els/healt...

    And I sincerely doubt that either of the two is on Barilla's payroll.

    1. Re:Statistics from Bloomberg and the OECD by sycodon · · Score: 1

      The study was undoubtedly done by Italians.

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    2. Re:Statistics from Bloomberg and the OECD by butchersong · · Score: 1

      Iceland contains some of the world's healthiest people and the population also drinks ungodly amounts of soft drinks as I understand it. That doesn't indicate to me that pepsi is good for you. Italy's health numbers have been going down a bit lately but their health stats are due to a mediterranean diet that can include some portion of pasta.

    3. Re:Statistics from Bloomberg and the OECD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Iceland contains some of the world's healthiest people and the population also drinks ungodly amounts of soft drinks as I understand it.

      That's the first time that I hear that Iceland holds any record about soft drinks. That said, I don't mean that pasta is the reason why Italians are so healthy. But, for example, eating carbs (pasta) instead of fats (fries) certainly is one of them, together with the rest of the mediterranean diet and their healthy lifestyle in general.

      Italy's health numbers have been going down a bit lately

      Down?! You've just answered to a post linking to two studies from 2017, one saying that Italians are literally the world's healthiest population, the other saying that they are the third-slimmest among developed countries. That's how Italy's health numbers have been going "lately".

    4. Re:Statistics from Bloomberg and the OECD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Iceland contains some of the world's healthiest people and the population also drinks ungodly amounts of soft drinks as I understand it.

      I tried to Google that. The only source I found was an unsourced and unnumbered statement in some blog.
      Here is another list
      Also without source but at least it presents numbers so at least it isn't "My uncle once said that this country probably drinks the most soft drinks in the world."

      1. Argentina (155 liters per capita)
      2. USA (154 liters per capita)
      3. Chile (141 liters per capita)
      4. Mexico (137 liters per capita)
      5. Uruguay (113 liters per capita)
      6. Belgium (109 liters per capita)
      7. Germany (98 liters per capita)
      8. Norway (98 liters per capita)
      9. Saudi Arabia (89 liters per capita)
      10. Bolivia (89 liters per capita)

      So, my take on it is that Icelands drinking problem doesn't disprove that soft drinks tend to be unhealthy.

    5. Re:Statistics from Bloomberg and the OECD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The study was undoubtedly done by Italians.

      Which of the four, malfunctioning neurons left in your brain has suggested you that the studies quoted by OP are Italian? Never heard that bloomberg or oecd have anything to do with Italy.

    6. Re:Statistics from Bloomberg and the OECD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Barilla has been bought by Nestle a couple of decades ago. In spite of its italian image it is not italian pasta tecnically speaking.

      Also, the way pasta is eaten in Italy, as part of a broad and balanced diet, really is healthy. Italians have been recorded as one of the pepole with the longest life expectancy for many decades.

  53. Statistics from Bloomberg and the OECD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most importantly, maybe this time "shills" aren't that wrong...

    According to Bloomberg, Italians are the world's healthiest people: https://www.weforum.org/agenda...

    And according to the OECD, Italians are the slimmest people in west, and the third-slimmest among the developed countries: https://www.oecd.org/els/healt...

    And I sincerely doubt that either of the two is on Barilla's payroll.

  54. Who care? by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 0

    I just had some broiled eggplant topped with sliced tomato, olive oil, and seasoning with fetuccini and italian sausage topped with fire-roasted tomato sauce with peppers, onions, and mushrooms (that my wife made). Friggin' delicious. I could care less whether any of it was good for me. I'd gladly take a year off my life for that meal!

  55. Re:Scientists with conflict of interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nearly all "climate scientists" draw their salaries from Big Oil. The consensus still points towards anthropogenic climate change being a real thing.

  56. Re:Jews are chosen say the Jews. ssdd by hawkfish · · Score: 1

    I am trained in gorilla warfare

    That should come in handy.

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  57. Are you seriously going to argue... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    ...with a nation that produces not only delicious pasta and wise scientists, but the MAFIA?

    Forget about it.

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  58. Re:Jews are chosen say the Jews. ssdd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like you suck jew dick.

  59. It's all B.S. anyway.... by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    Every week, there's some study going on to tell you if a food we all consume regularly is "good" or "bad" for you. In many of these cases, you can go back in time a bit and find a study on the same food that concludes the opposite. (Coffee is good for you! No, wait... coffee is bad for you because of increased risks of X and Y. No, it's good for you because those risks are small while this new benefit we think it has is a big deal!)

    I remember, growing up, how my mom (a registered nurse) would be SO concerned we were eating healthy. So we avoided fats like real butter and bacon, and always chose options with vegetable oils instead of lard.

    Now? The general advice says that was ALL wrong. Margarine is unhealthy and a lot of those partially hydrogenated oils were far worse for you than old-fashioned lard. Some doctors are even recommending diets higher in fats (like bacon), even to heart patients who recently had bypass surgery.

    So as likely as not, I'll have more problems with clogged arteries when I'm older from my mom's good intentions than if I just ignored it all. Great....

    The simple advice to eat any one thing in moderation and to eat a varied diet is probably all that's needed for "good health".

  60. Re:Scientists with conflict of interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nearly all of the "climate scientists" draw their salaries from government institutions

    [citation needed]

    Many climate scientists are academics with very wide ranging research interests. I know this because I am one, and I would shift my research to my other topics (soil health, air quality) if climate change funding suddenly ended.

    as tainted by the obvious conflict of interest.

    First of all, economists are the ones that came up with the carbon tax cited in the article, not climate scientists. Second, this is a conflict of interest for climate scientists if they will materially benefit from the tax. However, this money would go to "paying out household rebates, alleviating poverty and fostering low-carbon infrastructure", as described in the article you cite. Outside of the U.S., climate scientists do not have a problem finding government funding.

    Just as an aside, you could ask what a government funded scientist should do if they knew that climate change was real and that it needed more research. They'd say "hey this is important! It needs more funding, the government should fund more!". By your logic, that person is a shill of the government. What could they possibly do to get more funding to the topic without sounding like a shill? If your answer is nothing, then they screwed no matter what.

  61. Big everything- food is a HUGE business. by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    Everybody must EAT and the industry dominates rural areas with their disproportionate political power to the city factories.
    They make it illegal to simply report about meat production or you are a terrorist, hell they got stuff into the Patriot Act!

    There are always some intellectual whores who will sell their minds but the real thing to watch is the INSTITUTIONS who house these corrupt scientists. A think tank pimping out scientists is something to watch but a university or government research lab is where the pitchforks and ropes need to be brought out. The media needs to be taken to task for being lazy and constantly leaping at every PhD who is being pimped to them by shady groups and they NEED to instead be begging professors to take time out from grading to give an opinion (hell, pay them for their time which was more common in the past. A paid consultant is far better than a free professional whore for whatever industry PR firm pays their "think" tank tax write off... these things boomed in the 70s and legit academics hardly are seen on TV anymore.) think about it

  62. If I ate their 'pasta'.. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    ..I'd get very sick, and very fat (again; not fat anymore, not by a longshot). Normal wheat makes me ill, saps my energy, and makes me fat. So does an inordinate amount of carbohydrates in my diet, especially the highly-processed type like in most pasta.
    (No, I'm not a 'keto' person, either. I just have a clue or three about what I should and should not be eating after all these years.)

    Could we please have some sort of legislation making 'biased' 'studies' like these illegal? Give them a sound beating or something? The food industry has been allowed to be so self-serving like this, and it's got to be part of the obesity problem.

  63. pasta is good for you by epine · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The human brain is not a completely fool.

    We eat pasta because pasta is good for you, over almost all environments, over all of human history. It's only recently that humanity has stumbled into a 24/7 horn-of-plenty cheesecake buffet that flummoxes our dietary instincts. Note that this is only a marginal effect: pasta is good for you, until it isn't.

    Most of chubby America these days lives on the far side of the marginal fence on the consumption of all three macronutrient groups.

    In this marginal world, just about any calorie you push off your plate is good for you. Refined fructose and badly processed oils are surely the most effective calories to push off your plate. Foods rich in water-soluble vegetable fibers are probably the last calories you want to push off your plate.

    Almost everything in between can be justified one way or the other within an overall pattern of judgement and moderation.

    I suspect that eliminating refined sugar, bad oils (e.g. trans fats), industrial preserves (all those cookies and cakes and biscuits and chips in the middle of the grocery store), and substantially boosting nutrient- and fibre-rich vegetables (lettuce, broccoli, spinach, squash) would account for half of the total health improvement from dietary change presently available to most of the healthy-ish chubsters in American right now (regardless of caloric restriction).

    This is why every fad diet studied always produces a net positive effect (because every fad diet does at least one of the things above, and usually any effort to stay on a programmatic diet makes people more aware of their snacking on the margins, so you usually get a mild caloric restriction along for the ride, even if the diet itself doesn't stipulate this).

    That brings you to the knee of the curve, and then the narcissism porn sets in: how will I look in my bikini during spring break, how will I shave 0.5% off my personal-best marathon time in the next Boston marathon?

    And now we're into a self-imposed regime of fascist adherence for marginal gains prominent in the second or third decimal point.

    I'm not knocking elite levels of personal fitness, but there is a substantial opportunity cost involved.

    The same guy busy posting about where he buys his organic carrots online for his organic smoothie is probably the same guy who didn't get around to updating his anti-ransomware antivirus filter (oh how that Vitamix whiles away the hours). He's probably the same guy who could have helped his teenage son get a decent grade in his grade seven math class, but was too busy running another preparatory 10 k.

    Dietary tweaks don't make any mortal soul so godlike that this kind of peripheral neglect can be easily forgiven (immortality in this context is bequeathed by magazine-cover glossy shots).

    All I've done here is explained the 80-20 law.

    The problem here is that diet lives next door to the sexual-selection fitness function (on the exotic, aspirational tail), and boy oh boy is our general acceptance of 80-20 governing dynamics rapidly concealed in a basement closet if it casts the least doubt on our sexual preening reflex.

  64. Re:Scientists with conflict of interest by mi · · Score: 1

    The topic is neither the pasta, nor even the consensus. The topic is conflict of interest. If you are hired by someone interested in a certain conclusion, your confirming of the conclusion is tainted.

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  65. I love it when you call me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...big pasta

  66. Wheeeee! by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Pasta please, and pass the salt!

  67. Re:Scientists with conflict of interest by Patent+Lover · · Score: 1

    Nope, not if the science is valid.

  68. Re: everything in moderation cliché is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, everything in moderation is not ok. Crack in moderation is not ok. Gun shot wounds in moderation is not ok. Racism in moderation is not ok. Pre diabetes is not ok.

    The truth is that hundreds of millions of people overdose on carbs.

  69. Pictures are worth a thousand words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://youtu.be/95fpzu38r44

  70. IMHO - cooking "al-dente" makes a HUGE difference by Btrot69 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Italians are always complaining about how Americans over-cook pasta -- and they are right !

    As a child in the US, the only complaint my family ever made about pasta was "Its not cooked enough".
    Now my parents both have type2 diabetes and I am educating them about pasta and the glycemic index.

    Al-Dente pasta digests more slowly, enters the bloodsteam more slowly, and has a lower glycemic index.

    Soft pasta has a terrible glycemic index, too many carbs enter the blood faster than your body can use them, so your body converts them to fat.

    Actually, it is a bit more complicated, but that is basically correct.

  71. Big Pasta = Barilla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yousually when an article mentions Big X, you imagine a coluusive consortium of companies, but this sounds like Barilla did it all on its own. Or so they own the global pasta market to such a degree that they can be claimed to be a monopoly?

    Is Barilla even an effective monopoly in Italy?

  72. Go-to lunch by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Their programs are all spaghetti code

  73. Big Pasta by einyen · · Score: 1

    "Big Pasta" made me instantly imagine Jabba the Hutt but made out of pasta :-)

  74. Nothing fattening about pasta. It's a myth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know where this ridiculous idea that pasta (and bread, and potatoes) are particularly fattening came from. Look at how many calories are in a serving of pasta, without the pasta sauce. Then look at how many calories are in the pasta sauce - it's mainly tomatoes. Hardly high in calories. Yet still this nonsense continues. Ooh, pasta makes you fat! Potatoes make you fat! Bread makes you fat! All absolute nonsense. None of these three items are high in calories, per weight, compared to plenty of other foods.

    1. Re:Nothing fattening about pasta. It's a myth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it's not calories that make you fat but carbohydrates you fool. Calories have almost no meaning.
      Potato has loads of starch, pure shit and the worst of all carbohydrates, and also the most destructive substance for teeth because starch enters the tooth pores the easiest of all.
      Bread and pasta have no fucking purpose in a human body. They don't go into muscles like meats, they don't just get flushed through the system like vegetables,
      so they go to your fat, they accumulate into your blubber. They are quite literally obesity food, because that's the only tangible function they have when going through a human body.

  75. In Defense of Food by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ya right.
    Read and learn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Defense_of_Food

  76. Another Crappy Alt-News Label by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The purveyors of conspiracy theory, Alt-News and faux outrage are at it again. It seems that anything can be "Big" and that label, alone, automatically makes it suspect. To those peddling such nonsense.

    It seems that critical thinking and intellectual rigor and honesty are dead.

    What's next? Big Toys? Big Pencils? Big Windows? Big Carpets?

  77. Moderation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These days pretty much all "studies" in food or dieting need to be ignored. Just eat in moderation (both in quantity and variety) I think is the suggestion by most doctors. As with several areas of science (drugs, vitamins, etc) we need a major overhaul of the way studies are done, maybe the scientific community could band together and set some standards for studies and a voluntary certification program with some random audits.

  78. Re:IMHO - cooking "al-dente" makes a HUGE differen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Actually, it is a bit more complicated, but that is basically correct.

    Well, it's only half of the equation. Just like Voltage x Current = Power. Glycemic Index x Glycemic Load (the part you left out) = Intensity and Duration of your Insulin Levels spiking. Glycemic Load is as important as Glycemic Index. And that's the primary problem with pasta. It has a medium Glycemic Index (neither high nor low), but nobody eats a 2oz serving. Americans eat piles of the stuff. So even if your GI is fairly low, the heavy Glycemic Load keeps Insulin levels high for hours and hours at a time. Do this regularly, and eventually you get Insulin Resistance which leads to Cardiovascular disease, T2 Diabeetus, and Hypertension.

  79. Pasta Good, but Carbs Bad.... by kenwd0elq · · Score: 1

    I know that carbohydrates are, in general, bad for your health; the correlation of high carb consumption with obesity is quite high. Dietary fats and protein are much better for you. Meat, cheese, dairy.....

    But pasta is _ALMOST_ worth it. That, and pizza. The foods of the gods themselves.

  80. Lets unpack a few things by Cute+Fuzzy+Bunny · · Score: 1

    First off, I ran many, many studies in my career. I paid for them, they always said exactly what I wanted them to, and the folks at various consulting firms and universities knew that's how it'd roll if they wanted to keep getting paid on a regular basis.

    Always find out who paid for a study, and that'll tell you why the study says what it says. I'm pretty sure nobody ever woke up one morning free or even remotely free of bias and just decided to spend a few months of their time just to see what they came up with.

    Next, can we dismiss the idea that our body works like a furnace, or that a calorie is a calorie? Our bodies react differently to different foods. It pays to look at how foods affect blood sugar. If you eat 500 calories of steak, your blood sugar isn't going to budge much. Eat 500 calories of carbohydrates...and it almost doesn't matter how "whole grain" or "unprocessed" they are, at least when it comes to the american diet...and your blood sugar goes up. You feel energized, you'll get an insulin release and that tells your body to store that extra blood sugar as fat. Over time you can become insulin resistant and develop diabetes. After the insulin release, you "crash" and your brain screams "More glucose please!!!"

    Studying metabolic syndrome a bit and you'll see that some of the fundamental aspects of how we view food and diets is simply wrong.

    Lastly, saying that eating three 1/2 cup portions of pasta will positively or negatively effect your health or weight is a big steaming pile of crap. Nobody in the US eats a half cup of pasta. Three and a half cups of anything over a week will have almost zero effect on your health. Well, perhaps not a cup and a half of mercury or hot molten lava.