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Wells Fargo Agrees to $1 Billion Fine Over Home and Auto Loan Abuses (reuters.com)

Wells Fargo got hit with a $1 billion fine Friday -- the largest ever issued by America's consumer protection agency. An anonymous reader quotes Reuters: Taken together, the mortgage and auto programs ensnared more than 600,000 customers and will require nearly $300 million in refunds, the bank has said. The programs allowed Wells Fargo to earn fees from unneeded car insurance and penalties on mortgage paperwork that the bank had botched. For homebuyers, Wells Fargo promised to "rate lock" or freeze the interest rate for borrowers who got their mortgage paperwork finished within a few weeks. When that deadline slipped and it was the bank's fault, Wells Fargo could blame the customer. The penalty for late mortgage paperwork often topped $1000, according to a borrower lawsuit...

Drivers stung by insurance fees were wrongly pushed into policies that they did not need... Insurers working for Wells Fargo pushed policies onto more than 500,000 customers who already had coverage, the bank has said.

The penalty comes 18 months after Wells Fargo "admitted it opened sham accounts for customers -- a practice that likely ensnared millions...

Wells Fargo agreed to the new $1 billion fine "without admitting or denying wrongdoing."

64 comments

  1. And that's just a slap on the wrist by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

    The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) is going to get the death penalty for this.

    1. Re:And that's just a slap on the wrist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) is going to get the death penalty for this.

      Yes, and it'll be partisan: only the Republicans will want to kill it.

      And now the banking industry is lobbying them heavily saying the problems that caused the financial crisis have been fixed.

      I can say with 100% certainty that they haven't.

      See, even if every banker has turned into a saint, all you need is some newly minted 26 year-old Harvard MBA who will look around and wonder why isn't any pushing the rules. He'll do so and get a 7 figure bonus. Others will follow and in order to get the big bucks, they'll have to bend the rules. Then as more catch on, they'll have to break the rules to get their bonuses.

      We'll end up right where we were.

      And add in the illegal collections - especially with student loans (that loan forgiveness after 10 years for certain professions? Yeah, right - Thanks DeVos!!)

      The CFPB is the best thing that our government has done in decades for us little people and the fact that the Republicans - and it's ONLY the Republicans - want to get rid of it should tell us something about their values and priorities.

    2. Re:And that's just a slap on the wrist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The crime happened under the Obama administration. The fine was levied under the Trump administration.

    3. Re:And that's just a slap on the wrist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks at who runs every major crime rotted city...

      all democrats.

       

    4. Re:And that's just a slap on the wrist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Republicans are the party of allowing crime to become normal, including their traditions of incest and child rape - why should this be any different?

    5. Re:And that's just a slap on the wrist by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      Looks at who runs every major crime rotted city...

      all democrats.

      Except Washington DC.

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    6. Re: And that's just a slap on the wrist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "without admitting or denying wrongdoing."

      What does that mean?

      Regulator : You ripped these people off!

      Wells Fargo : How about a billion dollars?

      Regulator : This is frau...

      Wells Fargo : How about a billion dollars?

      Regulator : You have committ...

      Wells Fargo : *wave finger* These are not the crimes you are looking for.

      Regulator : A billion? Very generous of you, thanks!

    7. Re: And that's just a slap on the wrist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe because "fire all the cops so we can lower your taxes" isn't a good platform when your TV just got ripped off for the third time this week.

    8. Re:And that's just a slap on the wrist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has nothing to do with Republicans or Democrats.

      It's a fine for being a major bank that isn't run by the NYC banking cartel.

    9. Re:And that's just a slap on the wrist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Including DC idiot. Demonrat mayor too.

    10. Re:And that's just a slap on the wrist by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      The crime started in 2005.
      Who the fuck was President in 2005?

    11. Re:And that's just a slap on the wrist by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 0

      Houston is crime rotted. No democrats
      Ft Lauderdale.
      El Paso
      Shall I go on?

    12. Re:And that's just a slap on the wrist by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Yes it is since all are part of the British banking system

    13. Re:And that's just a slap on the wrist by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Houston is crime rotted. No democrats

      First of all, Houston is NOT "crime-rotted". In fact, it has a lower crime rate than Anchorage, Alaska. It's one of the safest big cities in America.

      Second, Houston is most definitely run by Democrats. It's an extremely liberal city. They had the first openly lesbian mayor of any city in the US and currently has Democrats in all leadership positions.

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  2. Once again a slap on the wrist.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ..for a company with a $250B market cap.

    But I guess when I get pulled over speeding it only costs me $1000, compared to my $300k salary, that's peanuts and the last time I was caught was 10 years ago.

    THIS IS AMERICA, THEREFORE THIS IS NORMAL AND NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD FROTH AT THE MOUTH ABOUT

    1. Re:Once again a slap on the wrist.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the President is a retarded bitch who can't stop lying... https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/04/21/michael-dantonio-intv-trump-lies-childhood-sot-cooper-ac.cnn

    2. Re:Once again a slap on the wrist.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop, you don't make $300k and your penis is small.

    3. Re:Once again a slap on the wrist.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop, you don't make $300k and your penis is small.

      I don't make $300, but it's close. I'll get there in a couple of years.

      Keep studying. Stay useful. Project a friendly, erudite and can-do attitude at work. A $300K salary can then be yours. Independent of penis size.

    4. Re:Once again a slap on the wrist.. by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      No, it cannot UNLESS you are a white man with numerous connections or a seriously Ph.D. in AI.

  3. Mistakes were made by Spamalope · · Score: 3, Funny

    Mistakes were made, but bless their little cotton socks it seems that despite all this illegal activity no crimes were committed except by the stock holders who need to pay for this. Shocking! Just shocking I tell you!

    1. Re:Mistakes were made by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You cannot prosecute a corporation for a crime. You wanna see criminal charges? Find out who did it.

    2. Re:Mistakes were made by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

      You cannot prosecute a corporation for a crime.

      Yes, you can. The prosecution of corporations for crimes was established in 1909, in a case called, New York Central and Hudson River Railroad Co. v. United States.

      The Arthur Anderson company learned about this first-hand back in 2002.

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    3. Re:Mistakes were made by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LLC

    4. Re: Mistakes were made by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you hold stock in Wells Fargo then you're not only directly responsible, you're also an asshole.

  4. Execs should be in jail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There clearly is a different legal system for people in suits.

    1. Re:Execs should be in jail by Alain+Williams · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fine the execs. Until the execs lose their homes & their daughters have to give up their ponys they will not change their behaviour.

    2. Re:Execs should be in jail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing's gonna happen until you vote out the incumbents that let them off. It's up to us to make the change. If you vote republican or democrat, you aren't helping.

    3. Re:Execs should be in jail by lgw · · Score: 2

      Execs have no legal protection just because they worked for a corporation - not just fines, but prison. The thing is, you have to actually prove they were involved, or at least knew what was going on.

      Large fines (and large liability awards) are the criminal justice system for corporations. Those can be assessed without finding an individual manager to blame - just that the company as a whole knew there was a problem and ignored it, or deliberately put people at risk for profit.

      All the legal mechanisms are in place, but obviously that didn't fix the problem. The problem is willingness to prosecute in a corrupt system, and new laws coming out of that corrupt system are unlikely to improve things. There are positive examples, though. Sony was fined a large enough amount to make the CEO resign over the rootkit thing (and threatened with the corporate death penalty if it happened again). That's the system, working. Why doesn't it work more often?

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    4. Re: Execs should be in jail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The system only work when punishing foreign companies. So the US can punish Sony, and the EU can fine MS and so on.

      Nobody punish their own. A badass corp, but its OUR badass corp and shit like that.

  5. Corporate "Justice".. by Daemonik · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let's see...

    • Corporation commits 600,000 counts of theft, nobody goes to jail..
    • Corporation gets to negotiate the terms of it's punishment..
    • Corporation pays $1 Billion off profits well in excess of that from this crime..
    • Corporation does not have to help or settle with individual consumers who's car loans and credit scores were damaged by their actions..

    Yep, corporations have it so tough in America.. let's give them another tax break to make up for treating them like this eh?

    1. Re:Corporate "Justice".. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Won't somebody think of the corporations?" Funny how that's not said. We have to reminder ourselves to think of the children.

    2. Re:Corporate "Justice".. by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      "Corporation pays $1 Billion off profits well in excess of that from this crime" and "Corporation does not have to help or settle with individual consumers who's car loans and credit scores were damaged by their actions" both seem to conflict with the bit in the summary (and article ) about $300 million in refunds.

      Unless the refunds are less than what the customers were ripped off of course, in which case it might conflict with the first (though you didn't provide any support for your claim that they made over $1 billion from the crimes) and still certainly conflicts with the second.

    3. Re:Corporate "Justice".. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only thing missing from your comment is Trump's tweet screaming that this is a witch hunt against an innocent bank.

    4. Re:Corporate "Justice".. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Let's guess the next headline somewhere in the future. Well Fargo to pay $300 million dollar fine for not paying refunds. After it was exposed that they purposefully obscured and obstructed the refund system and routinely defined refunds, blah, blah, blah. You just know that and they will hatch another scheme or use lobbyists to deregulate so what they got fined for will soon be legal?!? and then they wont get fined for doing the exact same thing again. Don't expect any change in behaviour until the board and top executives start enjoying extended custodial sentence and have their personal assets stripped to pay the fine. So how about the fines for cheating their investors, you know they got bonuses for those frauds and that means those bonuses were fraudulently obtained and they should be criminally prosecuted, 'INDIVIDUALLY', for that and investors should hit them with a class action law suit, the board and senior executives for remuneration obtained under false pretences. This penalty and fine is proof they cheated their investors, so those investors should seek prosecution and recovery of lost share value. The SEC should also pursue them for misleading financial statements because returns were based on illegally generated revenue to falsely inflate share value, a purposeful fraud.

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  6. Just curious.... by lionchild · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know where the $1B is going to land after it's paid? Just cuirous.

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    1. Re:Just curious.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      According to an AP article written by Ken Sweet, and published this morning in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel (pg 7B), $500 Million will be paid to the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, and $500 Million will be paid to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

      How much of that will actually trickle into the United States Treasury is not discussed.

      The article concludes with, "The nation's third-largest bank now says it made $4.7 billion in the first 90 days of the year, down from $5.46 billion in the same period a year earlier."

      So, hopefully, everyone will "vote with their wallet" on this debacle.

    2. Re:Just curious.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pork barrel... politicians' pockets.

    3. Re:Just curious.... by Patent+Lover · · Score: 1

      It could pay for a portion of the expenses accrued by Trump's security detail as well as the travel and furniture for his cabinet members.

    4. Re: Just curious.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will be dumped I to a hole and fire will be set to it. Supposedly, 1/2 goes here, and another 1/2 will go there. Nobody that was actually wronged by these actions will see a single red cent.

  7. just a billion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When the govt subsidizes them when they go out of business you really think they give a shit about a billion? They are the govt.

  8. If Wells Fargo Agrees by phryxus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    then it wasn't high enough.

  9. Re:Chan Fargo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thoroughly enjoyed your testimonial. Mod parent insightful.

  10. Numbers so big they make me numb by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    I didn't see how much money WF actually stole from some number of their customers, or a real number of how many were affected.

    If it's 600,000, that's less than a fine of $2 a customer.
    Later in the summary, it mentions millions of customers.

    I wish I had enough money to rob people of god knows how much money, and pay what is probably a VERY small fraction as a fine, with no charges. It seems like a very viable business strategy.

    1. Re:Numbers so big they make me numb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed some zeros there - if it's 600,000 customers, it's actually about $1666 per customer.

    2. Re:Numbers so big they make me numb by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      > If it's 600,000, that's less than a fine of $2 a customer.

      Math is hard I guess.

      > Later in the summary, it mentions millions of customers.

      Reading is hard too I guess.(Yes it does mention millions, but plainly states that is for a different wells fargo rip off - who on earth banks with this company still?!?)

  11. Not enough by rossz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At the very least, the fine should be triple the profits of their unlawful behavior. Optimally, the bank should be broken up and the pieces sold off. At some point a business can not be allowed to remain in business. Wells Fargo was well past that point.

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    1. Re: Not enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I partly agree, but when you need to go through red tape to get your money out of the bank well... I agree the execs should be punished, not pawn this all off on the bank like the bank ran itself and did everything wrong.

  12. bailout by markdavis · · Score: 1

    I am still waiting for the banks to repay the public for the hundreds of billions of tax dollars spent in "the bailout."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Like that is going to happen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  13. agrees to fines? by doginthewoods · · Score: 1

    Let me just try to agree / negotiate some fine I may get. That won't go anywhere - for us peons, it's "pay the fie or go to jail". Two sets of rules....

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    1. Re:agrees to fines? by sjames · · Score: 1

      It's worse. For the peons, it's "You're guilty. Go to jail. Go directly to jail. NOW!". Followed by "Now that you have no job and no prospect of a job, pay everything back with interest and penalties or go back to jail".

      For corporations it's "please agree to this fine without an admission of guilt. Pay when convenient". And the fine is less than they stole.

  14. Voting with my job. They need security ppl, too ba by raymorris · · Score: 2

    > So, hopefully, everyone will "vote with their wallet" on this debacle.

    Wells Fargo is offering high salaries for experienced computer security professionals, but because we're currently in high demand we are quite free to choose which companies we accept interviews with. Who wants to work for a bunch of scumbags, in a toxic corporate culture? Not I, and not any of the security professionals O talk to.

  15. shut it down by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Wells Fargo needs to be shut down like an organized crime syndicate would be.

  16. They "agree" with the fine? Well, good start. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They "agree" with the fine? Well, good start.

  17. So do consumers get any of that cash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My dealer obtained auto loan was sold to Wells Fargo. Seemed like every 6 months when my state farm insurance renewed, I'd get a call about the bank wanting to add insurance to my loan costs. The calls were very threatening, even though I could document my coverage never lapsed.

    I'm now wondering if they added hidden charges to my loan.

  18. Criminal Organization needs RICO charge by lbates_35476 · · Score: 2

    RICO act - The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, commonly referred to as the RICO Act or simply RICO, is a United States federal law that provides for extended criminal penalties and a civil cause of action for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization. This has proven over and over to be a criminal organization and needs to be treated that way. How many times do they have to steal huge sums of money from their clients until something is done about it. BTW-there are other banks that fall into this same category (JP Morgan, HSBC).

  19. We made 10 billion of this scam already... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... so yeah, we agree to be fined $1 billion.

  20. Re: Chan Fargo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.singhhealthtips.com

  21. Uh oh by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    They're REALLY going to have to rip off customers now to pay that $1 billion. I'm sure they won't take the money away from the managements' salaries, which btw is who deserves it.

  22. Re: Chan Fargo by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

    1b is nothing.

  23. Re:Voting with my job. They need security ppl, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in a city that has a high percentage of wells fargo security jobs.

    I had a friend who worked in the firewall group. They made them work 24x7. Meetings all day, implementations all night. He lasted 3 months and came back.

    I haven't looked at Wells since.