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AMD Wants To Hear From GPU Resellers and Partners Bullied By Nvidia (forbes.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Forbes: Nvidia may not be talking about its GeForce Partner Program, but AMD has gone from silent to proactive in less than 24 hours. Hours ago Scott Herkelman, Corporate VP and General Manager of AMD Radeon Gaming, addressed AMD resellers via Twitter, not only acknowledging the anti-competitive tactics Nvidia has leveraged against them, but inviting others to share their stories. The series of tweets coincides with an AMD sales event held in London this week. This was preceded by an impassioned blog post from Herkelman yesterday where he comes out swinging against Nvidia's GeForce Partner Program, and references other closed, proprietary technologies like G-Sync and GameWorks.

AMD's new mantra is "Freedom of Choice," a tagline clearly chosen to combat Nvidia's new program which is slowly taking gaming GPU brands from companies like MSI and Gigabyte, and locking them exclusively under the GeForce banner. The GeForce Partner Program also seems to threaten the business of board partners who are are not aligned with the program. Here's what Herkelman -- who was a former GeForce marketing executive at Nvidia -- had to say on Twitter: "I wanted to personally thank all of our resellers who are attending our AMD sales event in London this week, it was a pleasure catching up with you and thank you for your support. Many of you told me how our competition tries to use funding and allocation to restrict or block [...] your ability to market and sell Radeon based products in the manner you and your customers desire. I want to let you know that your voices have been heard and that I welcome any others who have encountered similar experiences to reach out to me..."
The report adds that Kyle Bennett of HardOCP, the author who broke the original GPP story, "says that Nvidia is beginning a disinformation campaign against him, claiming that he was paid handsomely for publishing the story."

127 comments

  1. Linus said it best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "Nvidia has been the single worst company we've ever dealt with...so, Nvidia, FUCK YOU!"

    1. Re:Linus said it best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AMD may be second-place for CPUs & graphics - but they still have the superior philosophy

    2. Re: Linus said it best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this at -1?

  2. From TFA: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The crux of the issue with NVIDIA GPP comes down to a single requirement in order to be part of GPP. In order to have access to the GPP program, its partners must have its "Gaming Brand Aligned Exclusively With GeForce." I have read documents with this requirement spelled out on it.

    What would it mean to have your "Gaming Brand Aligned Exclusively With GeForce?" The example that will likely resonate best with HardOCP readers is the ASUS Republic of Gamers brand. I have no knowledge if ASUS is a GPP partner, I am simply using the ROG brand hypothetically. If ASUS is an NVIDIA GPP partner, and it wants to continue to use NVIDIA GPUs in its ROG branded video cards, computers, and laptops, it can no longer sell any other company's GPUs in ROG products. So if ASUS want to keep building NVIDIA-based ROG video cards, it can no longer sell AMD-based ROG video cards, and be a GPP partner.

    What is disturbing is that we have been told that if a company does not participate in GPP, those companies feel as if NVIDIA would hold back allocation of GPUs from their inventories. From all we have talked to, the issue of not allocating GPU inventories to non-GPP partners have not been spelled out contractually, but is rather done on a wink and a nod.

    1. Re:From TFA: by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In order to have access to the GPP program, its partners must have its "Gaming Brand Aligned Exclusively With GeForce."

      Using incentives or threat of coercion to gain exclusivity is considered an anti-competitive practice. In America, it is usually only prosecuted against companies with "market dominance". Nvidia has about a 75% market share.

      we have been told that if a company does not participate in GPP, those companies feel as if NVIDIA would hold back allocation of GPUs from their inventories.

      If that threat was made in writing, or in front of multiple witnesses, then they should report it to the FTC.

    2. Re:From TFA: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The way I see it is that the separation of the product lines might spur some innovation on the (bigger) partner level. Talking about ASUS, a ROG cards is expected to have certain features, many of which are not anyway related to gaming but instead of comfort and quality. So maybe the AREZ line will implement the same set of basic "quality features", while both lines will actually start to specialize separately into new directions. Assuming, of course, that this is not a power grab from NVIDIA over the partner implementations.

    3. Re:From TFA: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      People who make threats tend not to put them in writing.

      See "organized crime" for various examples of this business practice.

    4. Re:From TFA: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems that NVIDIA has taken a page out of the Intel playbook.

    5. Re: From TFA: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tfa says gaming brand, not gaming line

    6. Re:From TFA: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROG had already been rebranded for AMD cards thanks to this. Asus AMD cards are now Arez.

    7. Re:From TFA: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The way I see it is that the separation of the product lines might spur some innovation on the (bigger) partner level.

      You know what else spurs innovation? Breaking up companies with a dominant market position to force some competition.
      Nvidia is clearly abusing its dominant position. Either break them up or fine them and use the money to fund competing upstarts.
      Does it seem unfair and hard-handed? Nvidia is free to not use illegal business practices if they don't like being curbstomped.

      It could be smart of the US to do something about it immediately.
      If EU has to step in to do something they will fine Nvidia and use the money to fund European competition.

    8. Re: From TFA: by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

      But GP has a point:
      The two brands could become technological lines too, with each supporting the tech pushed by their partners. For instance, ROG (Nvidia) models could come primarily with G-Sync support, AREZ (AMD) models could come primarily with FreeSync. The other sync tech would only be added if it has no significant extra cost.

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    9. Re:From TFA: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this tactic is no different than microsoft and intel bullying oems, which both have done since 'day one'.

    10. Re:From TFA: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite easy to fix this problem; just call *all* your competitors and arrange that all meetings from now on with NVIDIA will be recorded. Then NVIDIA cannot break the law anymore, and if they do so, you can just get them convicted. This way the organized crime of NVIDIA cannot happen and there is nothing illegal about aligning in business operations which do not materially hurt legal operations. What is illegal is colluding on pricing, etc.

      At least, if I was working at Asus I'd do this. Don't tell NVIDIA about it, just do it (like Nike). Pick up the phone, send an e-mail and organize yourselves, and finally fuck those criminals. NVIDIA also needs *you*, They might bargain as if they don't, but they do.

      "I am sorry we can't do that Dave, er NVIDIA."

    11. Re:From TFA: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod anonymous comment down. Two issues:

      1.) The GPP isn't public, so what it says and doesn't say isn't really definitively to be commented on.
      2.) What companies "feel" vs what actually happens -- if it hasn't happened it's speculation.

      What seems to be closer to the truth is that NVIDIA is saying vendors have to have separate brands for different product lines. This makes sense as a shitty AMD 56 ROG STRIX vs an NVIDIA 1080Ti ROG STRIX looks like the same fucking product to people on the shelves, despite the former being pretty much crap compared to the latter. Nowhere, presumably, does it says ROG STRIX has to go to NVIDIA, it leaves the choice to vendors and it seems vendors are assigning the branding to their money making suppliers.

      If you check out the Steam HW Survey, 1/10 cards is an AMD GPU. Why would this be the case? It's sure as fuck not because of the GPP...

    12. Re: From TFA: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NVIDIA shills spreading more lies. Nothing new.

    13. Re:From TFA: by behrooz0az · · Score: 1

      umm, GL702ZC?

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    14. Re: From TFA: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm.. "we don't know" is a shill statement? Huh..

    15. Re:From TFA: by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      we have been told that if a company does not participate in GPP, those companies feel as if NVIDIA would hold back allocation of GPUs from their inventories.

      If that threat was made in writing, or in front of multiple witnesses, then they should report it to the FTC.

      No, it's not explicit. It never will be. What OEMs have experienced though is allocations - basically if you order 10,000 GPU chips, nVidia says "Sorry, we cannot fulfill that order, but we'll send you 2000 of what you wanted". so you can build 2000 graphic cards instead of 10,000. (Of course, it costs more to build cards this way - building 10,000 is cheaper per unit than building 2,000, and you don't really want to hang onto the chips so you can build a bigger batch)..

      It is highly suspected that those in the GPP program will preferentially get their orders fulfilled than those not in the program. As in if 2 manufacturers wanted 10,000 chips each, nVidia would send the GPP member 5,000 of them, while the non-GPP member gets say, 2,000. Can you prove nVidia is purposely doing it? Not really - they will say there are "too many factors deciding how we allocate limited supplies of product to manufacturers". As in, "we will do as we damn well please".

  3. I guess thnly thing worse by bobstreo · · Score: 2

    is the CPU manufacturers who won't provide updates/patches for "OLD" CPUs that are vulnerable to attacks.

    That being said, I have a couple older linux boxes with NVidia drivers I WAS using as video/Kodi players that are just as bad....

  4. Don't understand why people are getting so pissed? by default+luser · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is the land of OEMs. You want to to make products that are in high demand, and have decent markup? Then you need to sign the contract with the supplier of those parts, and kiss the appropriate ass.

    Nvidia has ALWAYS demanded more of OEMs over the years, WITHOUT ever giving a clear picture of what tthe rules are. . The give preferential treatment to different OEMs based on the days of the week! Remember when XFX was a PREFERRED NVIDIA OEM? Pepperidge Farms fucking does!

    Or how about that time that Nvidia unleashed the pricing gauntlet,, forcing all OEMs to not drop below minimum pricing levels, basically stopping all entry-level competition?

    OEMs are getting raped by Nvidia selling direct, but nobody complained about Founders Editions.

    So now you lazy fucks suddenly care about Nvidia swinging their balls around the OEMs yet again? When the end result is just them forcing rebrands? I personally feel like having the exact same brands across chip lines makes shopping for cards confusing, so this isn't NEARLY the biggest dick Nvidia has made in their entire history. But the whiners will have you believe that ir's the END OF DAYS, even though they're still allowing everyone to continue to sell both Nvidia and AMD cards if they want.

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  5. Re:Don't understand why people are getting so piss by robbak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems that they are demanding that OEMs stop selling AMD devices under their Gaming brands, thereby trying to shut AMD out of the premium GPU market.

    It may turn out that they are only requiring that manufacturers do not sell AMD and Nvidia GPUs under the same brand name - which is reasonable I suppose, but really they should just stay out of it. OEMs should be left to brand their products as they wish, and it would be great for comsumers if they put AMD and Nvidia powered cards with similar performance side by side on the shelf, packed similarly and with similar part numbers, apart from the acutal AMD and NVidia trademarks.

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  6. They essentially stopped selling to gamers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And want the others to follow suit...

    (ref: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/geforce-store/)

  7. Doesn't really matter... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With signed firmware on both vendors cards, we are past the tipping point where either AMD or Nvidia makes sense past the plebian masses.

    If you want either security or anonymity it won't be with AMD or Nvidia hardware today, which means it is time to cajole a third party into the fray. Whether a discrete and uprated VC5/6 from Broadcom, a desktop Adreno if it doesn't go against the agreement between Qualcomm and ATI when they sold the division, or a discrete Vivante GPU, we need more choice, and a choice that provides unsigned or user-signed firmware plus sufficient documentation to audit it successfully. If it is power-competitive enough to mine altcoins it will be a roaring success, even if they left out HDCP support completely.

  8. Nvidia beeing asshats (again) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    It really saddens me that every time I think, "maybe Nvidia has changed their ways" something like this happens. Anyone remember when Nvidia bought PhysX? Not only if you were using AMD card as a primary card you couldn't use Nvidia GPU acceleration for Physics, you couldn't use it at all if you had AMD card in your machine. Not even if you had top of the line Nvidia card and one of the cheapest AMD. To make Nvidia look better they also disabled multithreading from CPU, just to be sure Nvidia cards were the way it was meant to be played. You might say it is understandable since Nvidia paid a lot for PhysX. I guess that is matter of opinion, personally, I think they should have enabled PhysX as long as it was running on Nvidia hardware, and not disable it if a system had AMD card (there is a difference albeit a small one). Although, I can understand NV frustration to a situation where competitors card ran PhysX better, but that was just overkill reaction to that.

    Then came the memory-gate. Why would anyone think it is a good idea to have more ram, if that ram is excruciatingly slow compared to rest of the ram available? Yea, marketing is always BS, but come on. Why are you pushing the limit NV?

    Anyone remember their attitude towards MadOnion (Futuremark now). Both AMD and Nvidia were caught making optimizations to drivers specifically for benchmarks, with two companies having a huge difference in their responses. ATI/AMD responded that it would stop making such optimizations. Nvidia in their arrogance responded that they would never stop making optimizations for the benchmark, causing benchmark company to validate drivers before results were deemed valid.

    Personally, I would slap Nvidia huge fine, similar to what Intel had to pay by doing somewhat same to AMD.I mean tell me how is this any different? Intel wouldn't give discounts to OEM:s who sold competitors product, Nvidia won't give discounts if competitors cards are being sold with most marketable naming in which Nvidia has absolutely no trademarks or any other rights that I am aware of.

    1. Re:Nvidia beeing asshats (again) by mikael · · Score: 1

      You missed out the sudden change of PCI bus architecture for graphics boards. One minute anyone could upgrade their PC simply by changing the graphics card. Suddenly they had to buy a brand new motherboard.

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  9. Re:Don't understand why people are getting so piss by default+luser · · Score: 4, Informative

    Asus just introduced another brand for selling their high-end AMD gear: Arez. They're still selling the EXACT SAME GPUs, just without the ROG branding.

    Just like they mysteriously introduced the STRIX brand of video cards about 5 years ago, and have for some fucking reason started selling motherboards under the brand (even though they are already silent)

    If rebranding a product line is so fucking hard, why do OEMs do it every few years? Like Asus introducing STRIX, or AsRock introducing Taichi a couple years back, or MSI going crazy with Carbon and Mortar for their motherboards and Duke and Lightning for their GPUs? Or Gigabyte making up AORUS recently and sticking it on every fucking product they sell?

    Rebranding is the easiest part of marketing a product. It's creating the RIGHT motherboard/GPU and getting it out there in reviews - THAT is the hard part of being an OEM.

    Why do you people pretend that rebranding is hard? BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE CHANGE.

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  10. I hate saying this by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Interesting

    but the reason I don't buy AMD is I never stop hearing about all the issues their graphics cards have. Every time a new game comes out the Steam forums are filled with folks complaining about AMD with at least a 3 to 1 ratio to the nVidia comments. Moreover I play a lot of old games (I only just got around to playing Fallout NV last year and I fire up older stuff like Psyconauts or NOLF from time to time). nVidia's compatibility with old and/or obscure titles is just better.

    I miss the better image quality AMD had (to this day nVidia cuts corners on rendering to get better framerates, it's especially noticable in Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing Transformed) but I'm 40 and I just don't have the time or patience to screw around with drivers and tweaks to get a game working. I know a lot of that isn't AMD's fault, but that doesn't make my games run.

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    1. Re:I hate saying this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not necessary the fault of AMD.

      Some has to do with if developer were elusively optimize for Nvidia. There were quite a few games release with Nvidia branding, which I found it troubling as an AMD graphic card owner.

    2. Re:I hate saying this by Khyber · · Score: 2, Interesting

      " Every time a new game comes out the Steam forums are filled with folks complaining about AMD with at least a 3 to 1 ratio to the nVidia comments."

      Almost every idiot I see complaining is running OCs that no sane person should even attempt with liquid cooling because suddenly VRM airflow no longer exists due to the missing heatsink/fan combo that usually sits there. "My system shuts down with an overheating warning or thermal throttling issue! This GPU sucks!" Yea, GPU probably ain't your issue, because not a single GPU I've ever had has given me a problem, from Trident, Cirrus Logic, STi, S3, ATi, nVidia, or even Rendition.

      They just don't know how to build a stable fucking system because they do stupid shit like only reading logical increments.

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    3. Re: I hate saying this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every game over thrown on my 7970 works perfectly fine so far.

    4. Re:I hate saying this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > but the reason I don't buy AMD is I never stop hearing about all the issues their graphics cards have [...] forums are filled with folks complaining about AMD with at least a 3 to 1 ratio to the nVidia comments.

      You seem to be the perfect sheep for manipulation, then. Good for you!

    5. Re:I hate saying this by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Every time a new game comes out the Steam forums are filled with folks complaining about AMD with at least a 3 to 1 ratio to the nVidia comments.

      You want to know why? Take a look at the branding icons on every new game. Smack dab on it you'll see nVidia's logo. This can even extend to the intro screens (I still remember some having "the way it's meant to be played" on it).

      The reason for it is simple - nVidia sends engineers out to game companies to optimize the game engine for their GPU. And not just that, but they have a ton of technology they offer game companies to incorporate into their games just to make it better.

      And just like how a certain CPU chip manufacturer used less optimized paths when the code ran on other CPUs, well, you can bet a lot of the nVidia GPU code probably runs poorly on AMD chips. Whether intentionally or not (i.e., they should disable those features), it's hard to say.

      Anyhow, I'm half wondering if it's because of the partnership Intel and AMD have now - the #1 GPU shipper in the world is Intel, and AMD GPUs are going to be featured on-package with Intel CPUs. You can bet that combination would make nVidia a little bit nervous

      Even more, you can bet a few of those are destined for Apple products - Apple loves to use Iris Pro graphics, but with this new combination, Apple may use these Intel+AMD chips instead.

    6. Re:I hate saying this by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Lets not forget that nVidia got its ass handed to it in the console market while simultaneously Google is attacking the scientific end of the GPU market with their TPU's.

      Meanwhile everybody and their grandmother are making ARM's, so what the fuck is nVidia Tegra but just another mobile solution.

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    7. Re:I hate saying this by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Every third graphic card I got AMD. Every single AMD card was a total nightmare. In order to get them to work at all reliably it was necessary to load hacked drivers (DnA) since otherwise they would just fail and fail. Then I gave up and just went with nVidia and I haven't had a GPU problem in years. I'd love to buy AMD, especially since their Linux support has gotten so good, but it's more important to me that my system work.

      If AMD wants me to buy their shit, they have to make it work.

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    8. Re:I hate saying this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Example: try playing The Witcher 3 on an AMD rig. It's... difficult. When I was first playing it about 6 months after launch, all of the [rendered-on-the-fly] cut scenes would have the video stutter badly, while the audio kept going fine. It was so bad the video would take about three times as long to finish as the audio. There were plenty of other instances of the video in the game stuttering but it was much more obvious with the cut scenes, and some of the cut scenes it was actually a, well, benefit, but I slapped an older nvidia card in there and immediately everything was awesome. There were a lot of arcane ini edits floating around the forums to try and solve the graphical problems but I couldn't get anything to take too well. It was at that point I realized what nvidia was doing.

    9. Re:I hate saying this by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Nvidia was the one that declined making the consoles, AMD didnt win, Nvidia turned MS and Sony down. They have been down the console road and didnt enjoy it. For the original Xbox, Microsoft expected that over time Nvidia would drop the prices of the chipset they provided for the Xbox. Nvidia disagreed.

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    10. Re: I hate saying this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're saying in other words that they lost on price/performance. In sales there is no real difference between "want" and "can", and are often mixed in negotiations to move focus to other items than price. So Nvidia saying that they did not want these markets is pure marketing BS.

    11. Re:I hate saying this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They work just fine. Go whine to the developers of your game and appropriate instance to complain about the corrupt practices of nvidias "gamenotworks" instead. It would be far more appropriate and productive.

    12. Re:I hate saying this by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      They work just fine. Go whine to the developers of your game

      Windows is not a game, and Microsoft doesn't care if AMD cards don't work properly. Even before getting into a game, the AMD drivers would be causing me problems.

      AMD's hardware might be fantastic, but until they learn how to write drivers, it's immaterial to me. I refuse to run a more spyware-infested version of Windows, so maybe when I go back to running just Linux full-time AMD will work for me.

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    13. Re:I hate saying this by malkavian · · Score: 1

      I think you may be a statistical outlier. Happens in any large dataset. I've had exclusively AMD for the last 15 years or so, and never had a problem. I change GPU about every 3 years, so that'd be about 5 cards. Not a problem.

    14. Re: I hate saying this by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Well i did some digging, and it looks like AMD is making ~15-20% profit on console chip sales, which isnt bad, but well below its company-wide average of 35%.

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    15. Re:I hate saying this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every third graphic card I got AMD. Every single AMD card was a total nightmare. In order to get them to work at all reliably it was necessary to load hacked drivers (DnA) since otherwise they would just fail and fail. Then I gave up and just went with nVidia and I haven't had a GPU problem in years. I'd love to buy AMD, especially since their Linux support has gotten so good, but it's more important to me that my system work.

      If AMD wants me to buy their shit, they have to make it work.

      Funny, because my experience is exactly opposite. We always had issues with NVidia drivers to the point where our company has banned purchases of NVidia cards. Now we use Intel (for laptops) and AMD (for discrete). Ever since then, the only graphic issues we have is an occasional old laptop that has the NVidia optimus setup. But thankfully we are slowly phasing those out.

      Screw nvidia.

    16. Re:I hate saying this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Example: try playing The Witcher 3 on an AMD rig. It's... difficult. When I was first playing it about 6 months after launch, all of the [rendered-on-the-fly] cut scenes would have the video stutter badly, while the audio kept going fine. It was so bad the video would take about three times as long to finish as the audio. There were plenty of other instances of the video in the game stuttering but it was much more obvious with the cut scenes, and some of the cut scenes it was actually a, well, benefit, but I slapped an older nvidia card in there and immediately everything was awesome. There were a lot of arcane ini edits floating around the forums to try and solve the graphical problems but I couldn't get anything to take too well. It was at that point I realized what nvidia was doing.

      If you had issues with Witcher 3, it is because NVidia coerced developers of Witcher 3 to at the last minute add NVidia's GameWorks software that purposely doesn't work right on other GPUs. But Witcher 3 is buggy in general.

      The only power we have as consumers is to vote with your wallet. If you want to stop NVidia from doing anti-competitive stuff like this, then you need to stop giving them money and stop giving money to the game studios that make NVidia only games.

      This is why I only got Witcher 2 and will not be getting Witcher 3.

    17. Re:I hate saying this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last time I had a problem with AMD drivers was when it was still ATI and the card was a Rage Pro.

    18. Re:I hate saying this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I played this game and both expansions on an base config RX480. No video/stuttering problems whatsoever.

    19. Re:I hate saying this by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      If one manufacturer's product works for a given enthusiast's application without issue, and the other does not, that points to the manufacturer, NOT the "idiot complaining."

      ATI^K^K^KAMD's problem has been drivers and continued support. They have improved, but I still haven't forgiven them for abandoning a brand new ( and very expensive at the time) card I had just bought when WIndows... 98, was it? moved to the WDM model, and they refused to support it. I wasn't going to stay on the previous version of windows.

      I have not bought a single product of theirs since.

      If it's reputed not to work with a game I want to play, I'm not going to bitch at the game's developers, I'm going to by the product that just fucking works.

      I don't give a shit about defending AMD's honor. They're a publically traded company and therefore just as evil as Nvidia.

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    20. Re:I hate saying this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "AMD drivers suck" meme has been dead for years, quit your bullshit.

    21. Re:I hate saying this by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The "AMD drivers suck" meme has been dead for years, quit your bullshit.

      I was bitten too many times to risk it again. But the last story that came up about AMD video cards had plenty of people complaining about new cards still sucking in this regard, so I think you're full of crap. Since you're cowardly remaining anonymous, I see no reason to believe anything else.

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    22. Re:I hate saying this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you're cowardly remaining anonymous

      Anonymous posting is nothing more than a feature of /. and has no relevance to anything. ATi drivers sucked. They're no longer ATi drivers. If you don't have any AMD graphics cards, then you aren't using their drivers and have no idea what you're talking about. Quit your bullshit.

    23. Re:I hate saying this by OneAhead · · Score: 1

      I change GPU about every 3 years, so that'd be about 5 cards. Not a problem.

      Seems plausible, and good for you. The problems precisely come crawling out of the woodwork when you're not willing change GPU "about every 3 years".

    24. Re:I hate saying this by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Every third graphic card I got AMD"

      You must be very very young then, child, and should probably not be talking on this thread until you know the difference between an AMD card and an ATi card.

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    25. Re:I hate saying this by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "I've had exclusively AMD for the last 15 years or so"

      ATi only got acquired in 2006.

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    26. Re:I hate saying this by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "The problems precisely come crawling out of the woodwork when you're not willing change GPU "about every 3 years"."

      Yea? Tell that to my Radeon 5770 which still works, how many years later, with no driver issues?

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    27. Re:I hate saying this by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "If one manufacturer's product works for a given enthusiast's application without issue, and the other does not, that points to the manufacturer, NOT the "idiot complaining.""

      Been plenty of times I've seen it be the fault of the idiot complaining because they forgot to install the goddamned chipset drivers that would allow the video card to be seen in the first place on the PCI-E bus as anything other than a generic VGA device.

      Sounds like you don't know shit about real technology problems.

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  11. Re:Nvidia is not a bully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe Vatican II never happened. Maybe the last TRUE Pope was Pius X. Maybe Benedict XVI HANDED Francis the papacy to destroy the Catholic Church like Chris Reimer writing an infected hosts file. APK.

    P.S. msmash is not even an editor here. He is a parser written to take stories from BeauHD and mangle them slightly so they only have to pay one editor (EditorDavid isn't paid) while they develop a new "slashcode" that identifies browsers and uses vulnerabilities to force ads even after you left the site. apk

  12. We're The Victims by ytene · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thanks to the crypto-currency miners, nVidia have a narrow window of opportunity to make a shed-load of money... They are experiencing a situation in which people are buying their cards as fast or faster than they can make them.

    This market-driven scarcity gives nVidia plausible deniability when it comes to any situation in which they may "have no available product" to ship to OEMs that do not play by their rules.

    It is such a shame that nVidia would choose to take advantage of a situation like this to try and squeeze AMD out of the market. Especially as the people that suffer the most are the enthusiasts willing to pay for this sort of technology, because a crippled or market-squeezed AMD is bad for innovation, bad for price competition and will lead to the sort of stagnation in the sector that we've seen from Intel in the CPU space.

    I've been a user of nVidia technology since they bought out the 3dfx/Voodoo technology, but if this article has substance then I think it will be time to move to AMD.

    It would be nice to see a government regulator take a look at this.

    1. Re:We're The Victims by Khyber · · Score: 1

      If you're an intel user you might want to step away from them, too, because I bet they're one way or another giving nVidia some cash to do this to AMD. Intel is well-known for pulling anti-competitive bullshit and partnering with known-bully nVidia to do more anti-competitive shit against AMD just makes sense.

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    2. Re:We're The Victims by ytene · · Score: 1

      I find myself thinking, "No... that's just too implausible..." Then I remember all of the stunts that Intel have pulled down through the years [the most recent of which was the issuing of patches for Spectre and Meltdown that would have slowed down *AMD* processors as well as Intel's own... and I realise that, actually, yes, what you write is entirely possible.

      The problem for us as consumers is that this sort of thing is virtually impossible to stop. We've already seen the "Intel Inside" and "Made for Windows" campaigns, in which Intel and Microsoft, respectively, both paid out vast amounts of money to strategic partners. For Intel it was anyone willing to take Intel chips over AMDs - essentially Intel were paying the costs of their OEM's marketing... For Microsoft it was offering to pay large amounts of money to hardware manufacturers, to help them write drivers for Windows - and to integrate such drivers more tightly with Microsoft's kernel and the Windows Update process.

      AFAIK, all of that is entirely legal and above board. I don't recall nVidia being subjected to the same sort of anti-trust scrutiny has Intel has faced over the years, so maybe it wouldn't hurt to remind them to play fair...

    3. Re:We're The Victims by jonwil · · Score: 1

      If Intel was acting against AMD they wouldn't have just released the new Core i7-G parts with on-board Vega M GPU.

      nVidia hates Intel and has done so ever since Intel stopped nVidia from being able to make chipsets for Intel CPUs.

    4. Re:We're The Victims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find myself thinking, "No... that's just too implausible..." Then I remember all of the stunts that Intel have pulled down through the years [the most recent of which was the issuing of patches for Spectre and Meltdown that would have slowed down *AMD* processors as well as Intel's own... and I realise that, actually, yes, what you write is entirely possible.

      The problem for us as consumers is that this sort of thing is virtually impossible to stop. We've already seen the "Intel Inside" and "Made for Windows" campaigns, in which Intel and Microsoft, respectively, both paid out vast amounts of money to strategic partners. For Intel it was anyone willing to take Intel chips over AMDs - essentially Intel were paying the costs of their OEM's marketing... For Microsoft it was offering to pay large amounts of money to hardware manufacturers, to help them write drivers for Windows - and to integrate such drivers more tightly with Microsoft's kernel and the Windows Update process.

      AFAIK, all of that is entirely legal and above board. I don't recall nVidia being subjected to the same sort of anti-trust scrutiny has Intel has faced over the years, so maybe it wouldn't hurt to remind them to play fair...

      The only way to fight them is to vote with your wallet and stop giving them money. I find it amusing that people keep complaining about Intel and NVidia, yet they still keep buying their stuff. The more people stop giving them money, the sooner this kind of behaviour will stop.

    5. Re:We're The Victims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... then think it will be time to move to AMD.

      Good luck with that. AMD's GPU hardware is very good but their software has sucked from the beginning and it continues to suck to this day. Horrible buggy drivers. The open source drivers are no replacement as they lack a massive amount of functionality compared to the proprietary drivers.

      Their mainboard chipsets suck also but so do nVIdia's. If my hardware is anything to go by then neither one can make a USB3 port that actually works correctly. I think nVidia got out of that game though. Which was smart because they sucked. AMD should do the same.

    6. Re:We're The Victims by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "If Intel was acting against AMD they wouldn't have just released the new Core i7-G parts with on-board Vega M GPU."

      I see someone doesn't know one of the most cliched pieces of Roman History, which has been repeated time and time again through corporations and governments alike.

      Et tu, Brutus?

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    7. Re:We're The Victims by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I find it amusing that people keep complaining about Intel and NVidia, yet they still keep buying their stuff.

      AMD makes a great CPU. I buy AMD CPUs exclusively, aside from spectacularly cheap used kit. I haven't bought a new Intel CPU since the Pentium 2.

      I would like to buy AMD GPUs, too, but every time I do, I regret it. They don't work right in windows, they don't work right in games, they don't work right at all.

      I will continue to purchase AMD CPUs so long as they demonstrate competence. I would like to do the same with AMD GPUs, and when they demonstrate sufficient competence there, I will consider buying those as well. But like others, I have noticed that the world is still full of AMD users complaining about their GPU not working correctly, and far fewer nVidia users with the same problem.

      Currently sitting at FX-8350 system with 2x Zotac 950 AMP! cards in it.

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  13. Re: African-American boners are the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excellent

  14. Re:Don't understand why people are getting so piss by robbak · · Score: 1

    It's not just forcing re-branding - it is limitations on how they brand, how they can market AMD cards. Not being able to make it easy for their customers to compare offerings from the two companies, or being prevented from marketing high performance gaming AMD devices as high performance gaming devices. Things that make it harder for AMD to get market share, because of Nvidia illegally using their market dominance.

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  15. Similar, but the devil is in the execution details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By the letter of law, it seems to me that OEMs could just create a separate brand for non-Nvidia product lines. The real question is, would they be penalized in allocations and marketing funds if they did so? In that way, this does sound very similar to the Intel inside program.

  16. That's journalism? by msauve · · Score: 2
    After speaking with anonymous sources, he comes up with this, upon which the whole article is based:

    In order to have access to the GPP program, its partners must have its "Gaming Brand Aligned Exclusively With GeForce."

    The obvious, and unanswered question is - does that refer to all gaming brands a manufacturer may have, or a gaming brand? If the latter, there's absolutely no issue - MotherboardKing can have a Zoomzoom brand for Nvidia, and a Zipzip brand for AMD, each "aligned exclusively."

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    1. Re:That's journalism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in other words, the KNOWN brand, aka ROG, is forced to become something noone heard of, for AMD products... You don't see a problem with this??

  17. Re:Don't understand why people are getting so piss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Moron. Brands have value, and it cost real money to establish them as well as maintain them.

    The issue here is that the OEMs have spent time and money building up their gaming brands, and suddenly nVidia feels it's entitled to appropriate the brand, and deprive the competing products of all this brand recognition, basically reducing them to, at least initially, no-name OEM-products, on top of forcing the OEMs to create, market and maintain an entirely new brand from scratch, basically adding extra costs to doing business with anyone else than nVidia.

    Wake up, fanboy. Grow a brain.

  18. Re:Nvidia is not a bully by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 0

    Nice try, but not even close to the real deal.

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  19. nvidia doesn't bully, it pampers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have many friends working at AAA game studios and have direct knowledge of how nvidia proceeds.

    If the title is important they are more than willing to basically do all the optimization to make it run at peak performance. That's a lot of money invested to do game dev's jobs.

    This alone is excuse enough for many studios to not optimize for amd, after all, they currently have a very small market share, so why bother doing the extra work. And of course, nvidia does this to spoil developers, who expect that amd should do the same, failing to account for the fact amd doesn't have the money to do it. "Cheap lousy amd, why should be bother optimizing for them?" - that's what developers are thinking.

    But it gets even better... or worse. nvidia REWARDS studios that DON'T optimize for amd whatsoever with additional trinkets, it is basically "beads and whiskey and native americans" all over again. The gifts are usually not that expensive, but result in serious devotion. Actual hardware gifts are rare, I mean personally for developers, nvidia does gift hardware to the studio for testing, but individual developers get small stuff - merch like toys or tshirts and that kind of stuff. One guy told me about nvidia taking the team to a strip show. That left a lasting impression to those poor sobs, as for many of them it was the first time to see naked women in real life.

    I don't think any of this is illegal, although it definitely should be. It is anti-competitive in its essence. It is the main reason why so many games perform better on nvidia hardware, radeons are not technically inferior, as someone who runs proprietary workloads I can attest to that.

    Yes, radeons use more power, because amd has to use the same silicon for consumer and prosumer products, since they don't have the resources to spin different chip flavors, resulting in the usage of overbuilt chips that use more power. And they don't have that money because of nvidia's anti-competitive practices. This also causes heavy delays, vega was supposed to launch shortly after the 1080, and silly amd pushed it clocks to the max since it had to compete against the 1080ti, completely gutting its power efficiency to squeeze a few percent more perf.

    In a better world, vega would have launched a couple of months after the 1080, and games would have been optimized for it, which would have caused the vega to beat the 1080 by about 15%. But nvidia is already in a dominant position and makes sure it stays there, by contributing as much resources to push back their competition as they contribute to developing their future products.

    1. Re:nvidia doesn't bully, it pampers by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I don't give one half of one shit about power consumption, I have two GPUs in my system now and still have plenty of power supply headroom. What I care about is stability. I will buy AMD cards if they provide good results. As a consumer, I don't care how they get there, nor do I have the purchasing power to alter how they get there.

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  20. The real deal for Zontar the sweden sweety by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zontar the sweety from sweden, a pack of no balls eunuchs the lot of them, let swede women be raped by muslims!

    1. Re:The real deal for Zontar the sweden sweety by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sweden soyboys like Zontar are more female than their women are. Can't blame swedish girls not wanting soyboy limpdicks.

  21. Re:Don't understand why people are getting so piss by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 2

    So far, all I have read about is a forced separation of brands. And in practice, this seems to mean that Nvidia gets the already established brands. That might be illegal and Nvidia probably bets on the new brands not getting as much attention. At least, it will take the graphics cards makers extra money to market the new brands.

    Taking ASUS as example, ROG is now Nvidia only and AMD has been moved to AREZ. I wonder what Nvidia would have said if it was the other way around?

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  22. Our registered user /. peers disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your software is just fine - well written, functional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine by mmell February 17, 2017

    (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good by BronsCon February 11 2016

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  23. Untrue (raised catholic, no more though) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: I accept Jesus Christ as my savior & as a model to TRY live up to but impossible for me, due to where I mostly grew up in inner city hellhole (left for decades but oddly I came back) - I can't seem to master "turn the other cheek" when attack since IF you did that here? You'd get your FACE torn off since the feral animals here (high violence & murder rate the last 20++ yrs. or so now) would also rip apart your butt cheeks & ass fuck you... it's that bad. They interpret mercy as weakness. Weakness is something you don't dare show them or you will be forever victimized, or dead.

    This departure of mine from Catholicism started during my Jesuit collegiate education as I used to drink w/ the Jesuits & talk (they are educated people, you can learn from them - 1st ones to try get me into masonic bs, others came later, once @ work, next was a pal's Dad - I rejected all w/ good reason) but after I saw their society of Jesus oaths & compared them to "thou shalt not kill" (to catholics, 10 commandments are GOD's commands, good ones imo still)? I confronted them on it & said "imo boys, you cannot have it BOTH ways" & they shut me out essentially since then.

    All ORGANIZED religions use their preaching as MIND CONTROL (when the only source should be the bible etc. not some mind-control preacher mere man) why? Ok - they're bodies of men. Men are corruptible. "Be a good fool & don't steal/kill etc. WHILE WE DO IT EVERYDAY" is what I have seen from ALL religious body organizations in one way, shape, or form (for power).

    APK

    P.S.=> There, happy now? You learned a wee bit of my personal history & beliefs systems (Jesus said "Turn over a stone, I am there" - that being the case? I don't need a church or corruptible body of men who got caught laundering mafia heroin money thru the Vatican bank)... apk

  24. You did more earlier & better "ZIP"? Prove it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows NT Magazine April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" pg 61

    (For SuperSpeed.com PAID CONTRACT (wrote SuperCache 40% performance boost) & SuperDisk finalist @ MS Tech Ed 2x in a row 2000-2002 HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement)

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE 1997 "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue pg 210 #1 entry

    PC-WELT FEB 1998 pg 84

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    PC-WELT FEB 1999 - pg 83

    CHIP Magazine 7/99 - pg 100

    GERMAN PC BOOK Data Becker "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000

    HOT SHAREWARE #46 issue pg. 54 2001

    Paid for article @ PCPitstop in 2008 http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    UltraDefrag64 Process Priority Control credited by lead devs of it in the programs credits section.

    APK Hosts File Engine 10++ 32/64-bit is hosted & RECOMMENDED by Malwarebytes http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    Oh, this too https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12013911&cid=56476917/

    APK

    P.S.=> See subject "ZIP" as in ZERO/"ne'er-do-well"... apk

  25. Re: Don't understand why people are getting so pis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually...

    It is GOOD to separate brands. As things stand now, I would never buy a PC GPU with an AMD logo on the box. I do not like the idea of two very different kinds of cards being branded as similar. I think uninformed people who just want a GPU should see clear information, including brand, that lets them distinguish between the superior Nvidia card and the inferior AMD card a few shelves over.

    Yeah... I am not a fan of AMD. 3DFX forever!

  26. Re:Don't understand why people are getting so piss by Type44Q · · Score: 3, Funny

    If rebranding a product line is so fucking hard, why do OEMs do it every few years?

    That would be due to the stinking desperation of marketing douches ("marketing" as an adjective, not a verb... though that would be pretty desperate, too).

  27. Re: Don't understand why people are getting so pis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem with the current setup is that they appropriate the OEM's brands and force them to pay for creating and marketing new brands.

    However, I would suggest all OEMs should create a new brand, let's say "Republic of Crap", at nVidia's expense, and sell all their nVidia stuff under it. Surely neither you nor nVidia would have any objections to that, right? Because it's not like you're a hypocritical dipshit, right?

  28. nVidia didn't get it's ass handed to it by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    they stepped out of the console market because it wasn't profitable enough (they might have also got tired of being bullied by Microsoft & Sony, I can't imagine them doing well against those companies). The rumor mill was that AMD got better deals from MS & Sony because neither company was ready for nVidia to drop them. So it's been a nice infusion of cash.

    I think the Tegra was suppose to be a game console like chip but when it's performance didn't match up with the 360 & PS3 (let alone the xbone & PS4) it floundered. The 30% premium on the app store doesn't help, and while side loading exists it's hard to enforce DRM with it.

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    1. Re:nVidia didn't get it's ass handed to it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they stepped out of the console market because it wasn't profitable enough (they might have also got tired of being bullied by Microsoft & Sony, I can't imagine them doing well against those companies). The rumor mill was that AMD got better deals from MS & Sony because neither company was ready for nVidia to drop them. So it's been a nice infusion of cash.

      So Nintendo Switch isn't part of "console market" then?

    2. Re:nVidia didn't get it's ass handed to it by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      they stepped out of the console market because it wasn't profitable enough (they might have also got tired of being bullied by Microsoft & Sony, I can't imagine them doing well against those companies).

      Yep. They had to get deep into bed with Microsoft in order to get NV2A into Xbox, and that meant making agreements with Microsoft about their driver code that prevents them from releasing as much of it as OSS as AMD has done with their code. Tegra is not so encumbered, but it didn't turn out to scale like geforce (as you say.)

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  29. Re:Don't understand why people are getting so piss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The issue is that NVidia is forcing OEMs to use "gaming" branding only for their chips. This is anti-competitive behaviour.

  30. AMD shopped this story around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like they found some suckers to believe it.

  31. Re:Don't understand why people are getting so piss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If an "off-brand" name isn't a problem, why don't they use that for cards with NVidia's chips? NVidia wants their own exclusive brand after all.

  32. âoeKyle was paid handsomely for publishing th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, i think that came the other way, he was paid to ignored the blatant crap that nvidia was doing and when those payments stopped, he went with the gpp news, which he is now blasting over and over on his site.

    Dont get me wrong, gpp is bullshit, but kyle is not a hero.

  33. Re:Don't understand why people are getting so piss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AMD was never in the premium GPU market, so it's hard to lock them out of it.

    AMD's top GPU s as good as NVIDIA's 7th best offering: ~= 1070Ti, 1080, 1080Ti, Titan Xp, Titan V, Quadro 4000, and Quadro 6000. Why would anyone want to buy a card that costs as much as one three performance hops above it?

    Plus AMD's latest architecture came out several months after NVIDIA's -- and they're still behind. What happens when NVIDIA releases their next architecture assuming the usual 2 year cadence?

    Premium GPUs my ass.

  34. Re:Don't understand why people are getting so piss by epine · · Score: 1

    Rebranding is the easiest part of marketing a product.

    Not even close. The customer—who is already bewildered by this unnecessary proliferation of meaningless distinction—enters into a terminal state of Johnny-come-lately fatigue.

    The young males who purchase these products are easily fatigued by any process that resembles bureaucracy. You don't need very many faux-affluent young men to wander up to the $2 slot machines of impatient, precipitous margin to make a real killing off of this strategy (by age 30 many of these men will seriously begin to wonder where all their money went, without even a plush leather sofa to show for it; the oil sands in Alberta was, until recently, exhibit A for achieving faux affluence in your early twenties).

    Impatient men don't wander up to the unfamiliar. That takes cognitive investment. Your flash-in-the-pan branding effort is completely worthless in the high-traffic areas of the plush, suck-them-dry casino carpeting.

    Aaaaand a certain master Fire Brand when bankrupt in Atlanta.

  35. Pepperidge Farm Remembers... by theSpartan · · Score: 1

    Glide API? 3DFX? Many 3DFX engineer going to work for Nvidia? Lawsuits......

    Nichts neues

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  36. Re:Don't understand why people are getting so piss by Carewolf · · Score: 1

    People are pissed because
    a) It is anti-consumer
    b) It is evil
    c) It just happens to be really fuckign illegal.

  37. APK != jew. Only jews = trash (low trash) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (non-jews): Jews = biggest racists of all for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were these nations banishing them a lie? Argentines in 1940 under Peron, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms, Spanish inquistion & Spain 1492 and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it (which JEWgle's JEWTube has blocked, there are links below though that are not blocked proving it is truth) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):

    Mark Zuckerberg who STOLE facebook's code from the Winklevoss twins (who dusted him in court on it) calling his users "DUMB FUCKS" & spied on his collegiate classmates via 'fakebook', home of bots and spying/tracking you, now in court FRYING (rightfully so). He also PAID OFF the courts (by political contributions like Jew AIPAC does) on the MAJORITY of the council judges there. He STILL had to apologize!

    Maria Abramovic satanist spirit cooker pal of Hillary Clinton the Voodoo queen is a jew https://www.google.com/search?...

    Like Hillary Clinton's mentor Saul Alinsky author of rules for radicals book dedicated to Lucifer

    John Podesta Hillary's pal again, is another JUDE with a pedophile brother (both = satanists too imo).

    "Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer so I wasnâ(TM)t lying â" and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much aliveâ Harold Rosenthal http://www.thetruthseeker.co.u...

    Jewish rabbi openly admits to satan worship use white children's blood they kill for passover bread (which THIS video covers in detail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU8Y1743QoY/ & how they ran the black slave trade + how they say a prayer to KILL US ALL (goyim) during passover), infiltrating and subverting the catholic church, creating the Jesuit order https://www.youtube.com/watch?... and https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    or https://www.youtube.com/watch?... too!

    Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ (now blocked by JEWgle JEWTube, but this one is not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85BKDj_1vVU/ ). No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.

    Rabbi A. Finkelstein ADMITS their greatest enemies are ARABS and WHITES (blacks too) whom they wish to kill one another in a 'theater of war' which they find AMUSING

  38. APK the spam coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look, I'm not the one pawning off batch files as "Shareware". APK is in the business of selling his own inflated ego to anyone that will listen. But every person that interacts with him comes to regret the mistake of trusting his lies.

    We also know that no amount of proof of accomplishments will satisfy APK. And that his behavior has not changed

    Everyone one of these articles has been withdrawn after dealing with APK and his lying and anti-sematic ways. At this point no one can trust his hosts files utilities as they still remain unsigned and open to malware insertion. Zero professional security researches recommend APK hosts at this time and have suggested any number of other hosts files as supplementary to a proper ad blocker and firewall.

    ZIP

  39. Re: Don't understand why people are getting so pis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somebody hasn't looked at the tests. And AMD is cheaper too. More bang for your buck.

    Another NVIDIA who'll spreading fud. Nothing new.

  40. Re:Don't understand why people are getting so piss by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    Have you ever wondered why people get a glazed look in their eye when you talk to them?

  41. ZIP lives up to his name (zip/zero/nada) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & I was right as always. ZIP you have zero to show for yourself vs. a fraction of what I can & your "proof" is nobody but YOUR BS! You even IMITATE ME posting as I do by AC w/ signature, lol! Imitation = sincerest form of flattery but due to your being a "ne'er-do-well"? You can't be me - you've done squat, lmao!

    Plenty here like & use my ware, recommending it. So much for that from "your kind" (do nothings).

    I annihilated arseholetechnica easily 2003-2006 @ Windows IT Pro easily - Jeremy Reimer got his website removed by Shaw of Canada his ISP & hosting provider + he was put on a tracking ticket by them for email harassment...

    Reimer's "henchman" Jay Little said "I am an EXPERT on Exchange" which much to his dismay worked against him @ "The Memory Optimization Hoax" where I proved to them AND Dr. Mark Russinovich (former "co-worker" of mine @ Sunbelt where we retailed our wares there & he bitched I outsold his work, awww) that that technology unhalted & sped up frozen Exchange Servers USING MICROSOFT'S OWN DOCUMENTATION TO DO IT (clearmem.exe is the same tech, but not GUI, & I designed the 1st program of that nature in GUI no less).

    Jay Little then trolled & stalked me to other websites where I annihilated him on ramdrives as well - he was banned + had his website @ CrystalTech removed by that hosting provider for libeling me.

    Antisemite? What did I write here on that account?? Nothing. I've seen bodies of that recently here & looked into the bulk of it. It was accurate. Often from jews themselves. It can't be denied.

    APK

    P.S.=> Bad move bringing up the DOLTS of Arstechnica - all they can do is "gossip" like old biddies behind my back, BUT OUTSIDE THEIR "PRIVATE PLAYPEN" (where they even edited my posts to put me down OR impersonate me)? The results are QUITE different, see above, lol... apk

  42. That's Mr. Patterson to you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You even IMITATE ME posting as I do by AC w/ signature

    You are far from the first to sign your forum posts with your initials. You missed that honor by about 2 decades. I may be new to Slashdot, but I'm not new to your incoherent lies.

    I annihilated arseholetechnica easily 2003-2006 @ Windows IT Pro easily - Jeremy Reimer got his website removed by Shaw of Canada his ISP & hosting provider + he was put on a tracking ticket by them for email harassment...

    More bullying tactics from you. You can't win an argument so you stalk and harass people. You've been doing this for over a decade and we have seen no improvement in your behavior.

    You still are trash

    ZIP

  43. An apology from APK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hello everyone. I would like to apologize for begin the raging asshole that I am. You see I am now undergoing a treatment program in an attempt to resolve my many issues. In going through this self discovery process I have discovered that a lot of my problems, especially with my inadequacy, centers around the fact that I was repressing my homosexuality. I now know that homosexuality isn't bad it is just the repression of it and the problems that causes are bad. Most notably his repression caused me to act out at anyone who rightfully pointed out my failings. I realize now that so much of what I said was just wrong. I also realize that I have developed serious problems such as stalking, harassment, poor physical health, and feelings of inadequacy. To this end I would like to apologize to the entire slashdot community.

    APK

    P.S. => As part of my treatment I have been forced to read what I wrote and realize now that all the mockery and insults I received were fully justified... apk

  44. Re:Don't understand why people are getting so piss by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    If rebranding a product line is so fucking hard, why do OEMs do it every few years?

    That would be due to the stinking desperation of marketing douches

    It's actually because of the idiocy of the consumer. While some consumers are savvy and well-educated about products, most simply buy whatever is the new hotness. You see it in cars, too; new models sell better even if they aren't better than the old models or the competition, just because they're new.

    Marketing douches are taking advantage of the stupidity of consumers, but they didn't make them stupid.

    --
    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  45. Re:Don't understand why people are getting so piss by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Impatient men don't wander up to the unfamiliar.

    I've been working with PCs a long, long time. My first PC was an IBM PC-1, and my second PC was a 286@6 MHz. The first graphics cards I used which caused unscheduled reboots under Windows (3.1) were Mach32, and the second ones were Mach64. I had the 3DFx Voodoo and Voodoo 2, the Matrox Mystique, an NEC PowerVR card, a Permedia 2, and finally a TNT and then TNT2. And I still tried ATI cards, and they were garbage, so I stuck with nVidia. Yet, every third card I would try an ATI card because they were cheaper... and they never worked right and I always went back to nVidia, which always worked.

    AMD STILL has poor drivers and drops support for old hardware sooner than nVidia does. People don't avoid AMD because it's not nVidia. People avoid AMD because they're still less competent than nVidia.

    --
    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  46. YOU start it weasel? I finish it... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: I win arguments & when I do YOU & "your kind" hassle + stalk ME - you came here doing that very thing as did arsholes from arstech!

    * They paid the bill for it - oh & by the way, while you're @ the arsehole?

    Also ask PeterB/Dr.Pizza how his IRC chatroom for ars was MINE @ the end AFTER I drove them all out of it in about 10 minutes time for WEEKS, lol... that's to TOP THIS OFF (where I annihilated ars jerks Jeremy Reimer & Jay Little too for stalking me ALL OVER THE PLACE ONLINE as well https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12013911&cid=56480327/ OUTSIDE OF THEIR "PRIVATE PLAYPEN" @ ARS where they edit others' posts & use MULTIPLE SOCKPUPPETS which I proved there no less...)

    Who the hell are YOU trying to fool? YOURSELF?? That's about it, hypocrite - YOU ARE THE TRASH & PROVED IT starting shit w/ me here as you have MANY SPOTS here on /. MANY times!

    APK

    P.S.=> Get the picture - don't mess w/ your betters (ME)... apk

  47. Reduced to IMPERSONATING me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Along w/ LIBELING me? You lose - you are NOT me, & I do not have problems you project you have!

    APK

    P.S.=> It's probably "ZIP" ("Mr. Patterson" - Mr. Nobody DO-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" stalker of myself whom I suspect is actually Zontar The Mindless (the timestamps of the stalking/harassing me on the posts are the SAME as his typical posting times here on /.)... apk

  48. You've been utterly destroyed by me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Threats and grand claims. That's all we see from you, the spam coward

    What do you have to prove little man? Why do you make up such lies about yourself. And constantly try to intimidate people?

    You started this EIGHT years ago. I've finished it here.

    ZIP

  49. Zontar, finishing yourself != finishing me, lol! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Threats and grand claims. That's all we see from you, the spam coward by Anonymous Coward ZONTAR the Mindless posting AC not using his sockpuppet TrollingForHostsFiles

    I put up decent accomplishments of mine (not near what I could in full) you don't have - lol!

    What do you have to prove little man? Why do you make up such lies about yourself. by Anonymous Coward ZONTAR the Mindless posting AC not using his sockpuppet TrollingForHostsFiles

    I prove I do more of decent nature others like & use vs. a complete fail like you when I am attacked & I always win - & you have ZERO (lol).

    You started this EIGHT years ago. I've finished it here by Anonymous Coward ZONTAR the Mindless posting AC not using his sockpuppet TrollingForHostsFiles

    See subject!

    APK

    P.S.=> 8 yrs. ago WHERE? I don't know you BUT I know you're Zontar (you post in same timeframe he does + he/you make troll sockpuppets to harass me with I have proof of directly from him (YOU))... apk

  50. Re:Zontar, finishing yourself != finishing me, lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More deflection from APK. He's a spam coward that never learns.

    His batch file shareware and malware crippled tools are nothing to brag about.

    P.S.=> 8 yrs. ago WHERE? I don't know you BUT I know you're Zontar (you post in same timeframe he does + he/you make troll sockpuppets to harass me with I have proof of directly from him (YOU))... apk

    Anyone on here already assumed you were talking to your own sockpocket as some kind of weird narcissism.

    Here's a quote from one of the many people on Slashdot and what they really think of you:

    The joke is on anyone going after APK for wasting their time on that feckless coward. It's hard to be offended by a keyboard jockey that has his life in a shambles.

    I must say, I couldn't have said it better myself.

    P.S. => that's one wrong guess. I'll give you 19 more tries, fool.

    ZIP

  51. Registered /. users blow you away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your software is just fine - well written, functional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine by mmell February 17, 2017

    (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good by BronsCon February 11 2016

    his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant August 10 2015

    his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg September 25 2015

    I like your host file system by Karmashock September 09 2015

    I do use APK's host file on all my systems at home by OrangeTide December 01 2017

    I personally use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a genius called APK by 110010001000 October 27 2017

    * EAT YOUR WORDS!

    APK

    P.S.=> You're outnumbered - you LOSE (it's all "your kind" can manage. You named yourself well (ZIP = zero to show for yourself vs me))... apk

  52. Time to take out the TRASH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody has said anything nice about you in 6 months? lol

    I ought to follow up with each of those people you quoted to see if they really feel the same way. As there are plenty of other hostfiles that aren't peddled by an unstable fool.

    Why anyone would tolerate your ill temper is a bit of a mystery. Perhaps every one of those quotes was of the structure <say something nice first> then <follow up with my criticism of his erratic and offense nature>. Do you really want me to look up how many of those follow that pattern and thoroughly embarrass you?

    It's time for you to throw out your tired old playbook. You've been caught red handed and have established a pattern of misbehavior.

    ZIP

  53. Nobody's said anything good about U, ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use a playbook that works to BLOW YOU & "your kind" away (easy to do using facts & decent things I've done you can't) when you attack me (always 1st as you have here).

    See subject: That I see & I will say something I'm sure you've heard before NOW though: URA whacko (lol) + U wish u were me!

    * You can't be though - why? URA "ne'er-do-well" too (hahahaha)!

    QUESTION: Tell us HOW DID EATING YOUR WORDS TASTE? https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12013911&cid=56486019/ ?

    (Like your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH, washed down by the bitter taste of SELF-defeat? Lmao - yes...)

    APK

    P.S.=> Most WOULD get angry w/ weirdos stalking them - like you (that are also "ne'er-do-well" do-nothings) but, you're wrong, I don't get mad - I get laughter like you wouldn't BELIEVE since you fools make me look GREAT & yourselves, consistently stupid (which, I thank you for, actually - RoTfLmAo!)... apk
    QUESTION: Tell us HOW DID EATING YOUR WORDS TASTE? https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12013911&cid=56486019/ ?

    (Like your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH, washed down by the bitter taste of SELF-defeat? Lmao - yes...)

    APK

    P.S.=> Most WOULD get angry w/ weirdos stalking them - like you do me (weirdos like you that are also "ne'er-do-well" do-nothings) but, you're wrong, I don't get mad - I get laughter like you wouldn't BELIEVE since you fools make me look GREAT & yourselves, consistently stupid (which, I thank you for, actually - RoTfLmAo!)... apk

  54. Re:Don't understand why people are getting so piss by OneAhead · · Score: 1

    This. DAAMIT graphics cards are blacklisted from all procurement processes I get a say in (personal and professional) because of consistently discontinuing driver support far too early. Good luck finding an ATI proprietary driver that supports a reasonably recent version of the Linux kernel and a >2-years-old graphics card at the same time (with the possible exception of some really popular models they really can't get away with discontinuing early).

    Of course, you can go with the open-source driver. If you don't mind the latest several iterations of OpenGL and other standards being implemented mostly in software, if at all. At least, the proprietary driver lets you get the most out of the hardware. When not hampered by bugs, that is.

    For all its evil, Nvidia does far better with the proprietary driver support. I can imagine this is a bit of a thankless job marketing-wise because the public narrative is mostly controlled by open-source zealots who blissfully ignore the proprietary drivers in favor of the open-source ones, but sales-wise, they seem to be doing good. I'm guessing there's a quiet demographic that cares about doing new stuff with old cards and that is large enough to justify putting some organisational effort into into actively maintaining long-lived/legacy driver versions.

  55. So much laughter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your posts are always good for a laugh. Thanks for the free entertainment. We've all had a lot of fun here, and I'm glad your having fun too. It really takes zip effort to have you go on loony rants over utter bullshit.

  56. Big laugh = seeing you "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & see "forrest" RUN #1 https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12013911&cid=56476917/ & RUN #2 https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12013911&cid=56476973/

    (Like I said - if you want MORE? Just ask - those are only a FRACTION of things I've done you can't & NEVER ever will).

    * RoTfLmAo - the price of being a "ne'er-do-well" do-nothing like you is that (guys like me can ALWAYS throw it in your faces)...

    APK

    P.S.=> ... & you KNOW it - now everyone else does too, lol...apk

  57. APK can't get anything right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now you're just linking to random people. So pathetic

    ZIP

  58. Wrong (I replied to you "ne'er-do-well" ZIP) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wrong (I replied to you "ne'er-do-well" ZIP) alias Zontar the Mindless https://hardware.slashdot.org/... & yes you are just another 'persona' sockpuppet of 'his' (yours) just like his TrollingForHostsFiles sockpuppet was https://slashdot.org/comments....

    You can't show you did anything worthwhile though you TRY "put down" my work many here like & use (along w/ 100's of 1,000's worldwide).

    APK

    P.S.=> YOU truly ARE a do-nothing ZERO "ne'er-do-well" & nothing more - that makes ME lmao @ you... apk