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White House Reportedly Exploring Wartime Rule To Help Coal, Nuclear (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: According to reports from Bloomberg and E&E News, the Trump Administration has been exploring another way to help coal and nuclear generators: the Defense Production Act of 1950. The Act was passed under President Truman. Motivated by the Korean War, it allows the president broad authority to boost U.S. industries that are considered a priority for national security. On Thursday, E&E News cited sources that said "an interagency process is underway" at the White House to examine possible application of the act to the energy industry. The goal would be to give some form of preference to coal and nuclear plants that are struggling to compete with cheap natural gas.

If the DOE decides not to invoke Section 202(c), the president may turn to the Defense Production Act. According to a 2014 summary report (PDF) from the Congressional Research Service (CRS), the act would allow the president to "demand priority for defense-related products," "provide incentives to develop, modernize, and expand defense productive capacity," and establish "a voluntary reserve of trained private sector executives available for emergency federal employment," among other powers. (Some even more permissive applications of the Act were terminated in 1957.) Using the Act to protect coal and nuclear facilities would almost certainly be more controversial, as the link between national defense and keeping uneconomic coal generators running is not well-established.
The Administration could apply the Act to "provide or guarantee loans to industry" for material-specific deliveries and production. "The president may also authorize the purchase of 'industrial items or technologies for installation in government or private industrial facilities,'" reports Ars.

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  1. And here we thought only sustainable was bankrupt by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seems that the fabled fossil fuel industries must be carefully fed taxpayer dollars just to stay afloat.
    So who's the leech here, oil barons?
    Solar? Wind? Geothermal? Biomass?
    Nope, it's YOU fools.

  2. Why do you right wing nutjobs hate the Earth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Coal is not clean at all. It causes lots of air pollution, especially in the form of carbon. The carbon dioxide is causing global temperatures to rapidly warm and is threatening mass extinctions. Yet you right wing nutjobs are obsessed with coal. Your obsession with coal is helping to destroy the Earth, along with your obsession with huge SUVs that waste gasoline. Why do you right wing nutjobs hate the Earth?

    1. Re:Why do you right wing nutjobs hate the Earth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why do you right wing nutjobs hate the Earth?

      They don't hate the Earth, They love power at any cost. Evil is not about I think I'll pollute the earth today because I'm evil. Evil is about not giving a fuck about polluting the Earth because by helping this group they can help keep their power to do other things.

      It is power and control at any cost. Some of their coalition no doubt even care about certain issues and so the Faustian bargain continues because they must have power to advance those issues, so will turn a blind eye to everything else and what is more they will rationalize _anything_ for their people because they advance their key issues.

      Many of them truly believe in their moral cause, and that is what is so scary. Even now Trump has a really good approval rating among republicans, and no amount of corruption is going to change it, because they truly see it as the lesser evil.

      Hell the one and only saving grace about Trump is he seems to care about nothing but his own brand. If he was a zealot of some kind we might be in three more wars by now. That doesn't mean he isn't doing enormous damage to our country and our planet and to simple standards of human decency. He is. It just means it could be worse.

    2. Re:Why do you right wing nutjobs hate the Earth? by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Please cite at least one peer-reviewed, scientific study that demonstrates CO2 greenhouse gas effect."

      Please cite at least one that doesn't.

      "Find one original experimental study which shows a direct, causative link between CO2 and temperature increase."

      Right after you find me a couple hundred identical planets, to use as test and control groups to come up with a statistically valid experiment to your satisfaction; right after you give me the technology to control and vary climate composition levels directly.

      "Ten years ago, I tried and I failed. Blown my mind at the time."

      It blew your mind that climate science, the study of a global scale phenomena of which we have exactly one to study, and of which we have very little direct control isn't awash in studies which show direct causative links between A and B ? Really?

      "I can now freely admit that I was a clueless fucking librtard."

      I don't know about libtard, but 'fucking clueless' is apt.

  3. Coal is dead, and Natural Gas killed it. by Ayano · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even if you cut renewables out, Natural Gas is cheaper to extract, requires fewer workers, and is safer both to burn and acquire. This isn't propping up fossil fuels, this is preferring an industry whose workforce doesn't want to adapt or change.

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    1. Re:Coal is dead, and Natural Gas killed it. by taiwanjohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      preferring an industry whose workforce doesn't want to adapt or change

      More to the point, it's about preferring any policy option that will make liberals cry. If they actually gave a crap about reality, they'd be pushing investment in infrastructure and human capital to accelerate the transition to a sustainable economy (kinda like China is doing). But no, this is just pure, spiteful politics to gin-up their base and ass-kiss their donors. Not much to see here...

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  4. No national security reasons?! by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, we have been at war in the Middle East for decades for one reason: energy. It's why we had Gulf War I, Gulf War II, and so many others. Fun fact, did you know the reason we refuse to withdraw from Syria despite the fact that ISIS has been defeated is energy? Yup. A proposed pipeline to supply from Qatar to Europe would weaken Russian influence. That's why we can't stop making war there. So let's not trot out the fiction that energy has nothing to do with national security, because it absolutely does.

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  5. What nuclear really needs.. by somepunk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is more R&D into advanced GenIV designs like MSR, VHTR, or small modular reactors, and a less punishing regulatory review process. We are abdicating our leadership to China, India, and Europe.

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    1. Re:What nuclear really needs.. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is more R&D into advanced GenIV designs like MSR, VHTR, or small modular reactors, and a less punishing regulatory review process. We are abdicating our leadership to China, India, and Europe.

      We don't need that research becaus Nuclear is perfectly safe already. We need laws forcing building plants before any other power source is considered. Except for coal. Coal needs plants built before nuc except where nuc plants are built before coal.

      While that might sound sarcastic, it is the basic premise of Trump's concept.

      By the way - if we declare that coal and it's mining is a critical defense need, what happens to the 88 million metric tons that we exported in 2017? https://www.platts.com/latest-... What the hell kind of country exports that much of a critical strategic product? Sounds like aiding and abetting possible enemies of our country. This must end and end now! America's future is at stake.

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  6. Re:Mythological war on coal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Republicans are all about subsidizing broken, obsolete or flawed ideas. It's their entire platform, while pretending to be against big deficit spending (for a few years)

  7. Re:peaking plants by careysub · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They solve the spin up time problem by just running the plants all the time whether power is needed or not, then selling the power they don't need to their neighbors over the grid. That is nonsense. We have no strange spin up times where coal can not handle it.

    Coal plants have lots of issues with starting up quickly. 23% of all coal plant cold start-up events fail (produce no electricity). These failed start-ups persist for a median of 4 hours before being retried, though the average is 8 hours (i.e. a substantial number persist much longer). Of the start-ups that succeed the average start-up time from the beginning of combustion to producing power is about 8 hours.

    Coal plants are strictly base load plants, unable to deal with load fluctuation on a scale significantly shorter than a day.

    OTOH, natural gas peaking plants start-up in a matter of minutes.

    And: coal is down ot 40% of our power mix.

    And: we still produce 10%-12% of oir power by nuclear.

    Eh? No. In 2017 it coal power production was 30%, nuclear was 20%.

    Get a damn clue and stop spreading FUD.

    Maybe you should start looking up actual data and providing citations.

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  8. Re:Mythological war on coal. by youngone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So you're arguing socialized medicine and Public services/state-subsidized education are a bad thing? Wow.
    Where I live we call it civilization.