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Scientists Plan Huge European AI Hub To Compete With US (theguardian.com)

Leading scientists have drawn up plans for a vast multinational European institute devoted to world-class artificial intelligence (AI) research in a desperate bid to nurture and retain top talent in Europe. From a report: The new institute would be set up for similar reasons as Cern, the particle physics lab near Geneva, which was created after the second world war to rebuild European physics and reverse the brain drain of the brightest and best scientists to the US. Named the European Lab for Learning and Intelligent Systems, or Ellis, the proposed AI institute would have major centres in a handful of countries, the UK included, with each employing hundreds of computer engineers, mathematicians and other scientists with the express aim of keeping Europe at the forefront of AI research. In an open letter that urges governments to act, the scientists describe how Europe has not kept up with the US and China, where the vast majority of leading AI firms and universities are based. The letter adds that while a few "research hotspots" still exist in Europe, "virtually all of the top people in those places are continuously being pursued for recruitment by US companies."

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  1. incentives by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

    Are they going to have "computer programmer's motivator's?

  2. https://robothutbui.vn by robothutbui · · Score: 1
  3. This is what Europeans do best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is what Europeans do best: Plan it. They will have very impressive plans, committees, and meetings. Much more extensive and impressive than anything that China or the US will do. They will translate it into 24 languages, and meticulously ensure that the meaning is exact in all of them.

    On the other hand when it actually comes to doing it....

    1. Re:This is what Europeans do best by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      They will translate it into 24 languages

      Perhaps they can get the AI to do that.

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    2. Re:This is what Europeans do best by Chrisq · · Score: 2

      They will translate it into 24 languages

      Perhaps they can get the AI to do that.

      Add that idea to the appendix, translate, distribute, and discuss!

    3. Re:This is what Europeans do best by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

      ... snipsnip... On the other hand when it actually comes to doing it....

      CERN

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    4. Re:This is what Europeans do best by vakuona · · Score: 1

      CERN does research that the private sector wouldn't do.

      AI is something the private sector is all over at the moment.

      What is likely to happen is that the EU will legislate / regulate to make it difficult for anyone to do anything useful with AI, while the Americans (and Chinese) build up an unassailable lead in the technology.

      The US will let companies experiment and then regulate later while the EU will kill everything by regulating them to death first.

  4. Learn from the Past by LordAba · · Score: 1

    You want "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream"? Cause this is how you get it.

    1. Re:Learn from the Past by sheramil · · Score: 1

      I think this scenario is closer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      That is, if the Russians, Iranians, Indians etc all join in.

  5. Re:Font problem AI vs Al by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1, Informative

    Digital fonts tends to be Sans Serif. This means glyphs such as one (1), uppercase i (I), lowercase L (l), tend to be very difficult to visually tell apart. It sucks.

    Print fonts tend to be Serif -- glyphs are easier to tell apart but they also take up more space.

    There are reasons we have Programming fonts -- which tend to be a hybrid between Serif and Sans Serif. Why? We need the ability to be able to quickly visually distinguish between similar glyphs.

    Set 1: zero and O: O, o, 0
    Set 2: one, I, and L: 1 I i L l
    Set 3: five and S: 5 S s
    Set 4: two and Z: 2 Z z
    Set 5: parenthesis and brackets: ( { [ ] } )

    Also due to crappy "low resolutions" monitors (anything less then 300 dpi), Sans Serif fonts are much easier to read, and they take up less screen space.
    i.e. Pixel Fonts tend to be sans serif due to physically not having enough pixels for details -- the serifs.

    If you want more details I've posted about Serif vs Sans Serif before.

    You can also read about Typeface anatomy

    Getting this back on-topic ...

    The term A.I. is a bullshit term. It should be called Artificial Ignorance, or Algorithmic Table-Lookup because there is no fucking intelligence in there; in contradistinction to a.i. = actual intelligence. Take the worlds best Go/Chess program, change the rules of the game slightly, and watch it crash-and-burn. Where is all the intelligence it learnt? Oh wait, there is ZERO. It needs to play thousands of games to rebuild its tables.

    At least the term Machine Learning isn't as obnoxious, plus the acronym, ML, is readable regardless if you use a Serif or Sans Serif typeface.

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    Theist, noun; a monochromatic man arguing their color is the only valid color.

  6. Re:"haven't kept up with the US" by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    They might need to have people working in the EU though, because the EU is very likely to regulate some AI use to protect its citizens. Stuff like AIs making decisions about people's lives, such as mortgage and job applications, is already under scrutiny.

    That could also be a problem for the UK post-Brexit, because without regulatory alignment with the EU it will face the same problem as the US.

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  7. Why compete with the folks in second? by schwit1 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    1. Re:Why compete with the folks in second? by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      China has shot far ahead of the US on deep-learning patents

      More patents just mean they will lack behind in innovation as they are innovation inhibitors and not much else these days.

    2. Re:Why compete with the folks in second? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Why compete with the folks in second? by mikael · · Score: 1

      I believe they have patented a technique for sending the magnetic and electrical field information of a photon from one point to another but without actually sending the actual photon itself. However, this method is still limited by the speed of light.

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    4. Re:Why compete with the folks in second? by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

      About patents: I hold two or three patents myself. I vividly remember when I wrote my first disclosure. It was brief, to the point; the idea was clearly and unambiguously described in two pages, that anyone with a basic background on the subject could understand without much of a problem. I then turned it over to patent lawyer. A couple of weeks later I got the text of the patent application from the lawyer. I could not understand it. I was the originator of the idea, and could not understand what the patent application was all about. Written in a vague, confusing language, the document was impenetrable to me. To the person who came up with the original idea. Maybe somebody more intelligent than me would have been able to study the text of the application and make use of my my idea - I certainly would not have been able to do so. That was the day that I lost all my faith in the patent system. Through management pressure, I have written a few other disclosures - but I have not reviewed the subsequent applications ever since. What for? I wouldn't be able to understand them, anyway.

  8. You're doing it wrong! by tphb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You don't need huge institutes and government funding to do AI. The major government-sponsored AI initiatives have been largely wasted, whereas commercial AI is getting serious traction.

    1. Re:You're doing it wrong! by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      You don't need huge institutes and government funding to do AI.

      Off course you do. At the very least for those "innovative" commercial tech followers.

      There was a nice program about the use of algorithms in dutch TV about the bias these algorithms get from their historical input. So algorithms were seen as neutral, but discriminated at least as hard as humans did.

      What the program forgot to mention is that "lower class" people don't order for these algorithms, and the "upper class" people who do order them don't want to be bitten by them. The perfect example is China, where you are punished for ignoring a traffic light, but not for grabbing all the power.

      The main problem of AI is the hidden agenda of the humans that order them.

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    2. Re:You're doing it wrong! by monkeyxpress · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Europe doesn't have the same sort of venture capital culture as the US. Even in London there is no Sand Hill equivalent where you can rock on up with your MIT degree and Tony Robins positive energy and walk out with a few million to start you cat tracker app.

      There are a huge number of UK startups and university spinoffs that run off angel money that requires the CEO to periodically attend snooty events with the remnants of Europe's landed gentry, or do deals with dodgy foreigners trying to laundering money. Those that get VC money are getting it from the offshoots of US firms, or even just through US firms directly with Delaware registered HQs to boot. Another approach is to convince some ageing celebrity (e.g. Richard Branson) to lend his name to your idea, so you can list on the exchanges and get a bunch of money from desperate pension funds.

      For whatever reason, the USA seems to embrace the idea that throwing $1000 at 20 different crazy ideas is worth it on the chance that one succeeds, whereas in most other countries there needs to be a big investigation and lynching when one single $1000 investment fails.

      This is why the EU needs public sector investment for this sort of stuff. In some EU countries the method has actually delivered results, while in others (e.g. UK) I suspect the public is just so conditioned to accept government incompetence that this is just a sort of path of least resistance thing.

    3. Re:You're doing it wrong! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The major government-sponsored AI initiatives have been largely wasted

      You mean like all of the publicly funded university research which kicked off the entire field?

    4. Re:You're doing it wrong! by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

      Serious traction? That's yet to be seen. The stuff that they have come up so far is, for the most part, an extension of notions that have been known and understood for decades, made to look more spectacular thanks to the increased computational power developed since. But Alexa, Google Home (or whatever it is called today) and Siri are pretty much as unintelligent as such things have always been, and only marginally useful; Watson is good at Jeopardy, but not much else so far, and the chess and go engines can't do anything outside go and chess.

    5. Re:You're doing it wrong! by Turmio · · Score: 1

      You don't need huge institutes and government funding to do global interconnected network. The major government-sponsored networking initiatives have been largely wasted, whereas commercial global network development efforts is getting serious traction. Just as e.g. the Microsoft of 90's how they beat the Internet. You don't need huge institutes and government funding to put man in the Moon. The major government-sponsored space exploration initiatives have been largely wasted, whereas commercial space travel is getting serious traction. Granted, it's partially (and only partially) true for the current state of affairs in the US, but can you afford to ignore past 70 years + just about everything else done outside of the American soil? Not necessarily a recipe for success and we all know about the pitfalls of large stashes of public money earmarked for something, but just give them a chance, will you. Big things require big backing entities. Sure go ahead if you're Google, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, FB, Baidu or Alibaba. Sadly, here in Europe we have no companies such as the mentioned.

    6. Re:You're doing it wrong! by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Gov't sponsored research often does kick-start new ideas, but the results are usually public knowledge such that it often doesn't directly benefit the sponsoring country. Any country can use the research results.

      Perhaps Europe should focus on increasing and/or subsidizing AI-related education, which includes educating people for private-sector AI work.

  9. Re:Don't worry Europeans by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    America subsidizes the defense of wealthy, developed European countries to the tune of billions per year...

    By invading the wrong countries. I suppose you could argue that any military system is subject to a percentage of bad judgment, and that dumb mistakes are part of the game.

  10. Re:"haven't kept up with the US" by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    They might need to have people working in the EU though, because the EU is very likely to regulate some AI use to protect its citizens. Stuff like AIs making decisions about people's lives, such as mortgage and job applications, is already under scrutiny.

    That could also be a problem for the UK post-Brexit, because without regulatory alignment with the EU it will face the same problem as the US.

    It will be business as usual - the UK government will draw red lines, will issue lofty patriotic communiqués, will claim that Britain rules the waves - and then will just pull its trousers down and will do as the EU tells it to do.

  11. Re:Don't worry Europeans by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    For the most part, they didn't ask for our help. Maybe if our military wasn't so big, they'd willingly increase theirs.

  12. Name by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Call it, say .... Skynet.

  13. Re:Don't worry Europeans by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Maybe they believe the USA exaggerates threats; that Fox News et. al. have made everyone paranoid. I won't confirm or deny that claim here, only say the perception exists in Europe.

  14. Colossus: The Forbin Project by forkfail · · Score: 1

    Sounds like there might be a plot for a good movie in here. Oh, wait:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  15. Re:Don't worry Europeans by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Then don't. Let's slash our military. Solved!

  16. "recruitment by US companies" not that attractive by ffkom · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To somebody used to have 30 days of vacation days each year, and 40 hours of work per week, without the expectation to slave away 24/7, those recruitment efforts by US companies are not that attractive.

    I have worked for both US and EU companies, and would always choose the EU quality of life over the vague chance of some large bonus that US companies try to lure people with. Also, the way that US companies patronize their employees is simply awkward. Go away with your "codes of conduct" and all the other corporate crap!

  17. wow by fponias · · Score: 1

    An AI article actually about AI. I can die happy now.