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Facebook Promises Privacy Tool 'Clear History' (cnet.com)

Facebook is introducing a new privacy tool called "clear history," CEO Mark Zuckerberg said Tuesday with a personal Facebook post. From a report: The tool will allow you to see information about the apps and websites you've interacted with, and you'll be able to clear this information from your account. The news came less within hours of the kickoff keynote at on Facebook's F8 developer conference, which is being held in San Jose. The mostly-annual conference began as a time for Facebook to announce major initiatives, such as its technology to connect user's accounts with websites around the web, as well as revamped designs for user's profile pages. In a statement, Zuckerberg said, "In your web browser, you have a simple way to clear your cookies and history. The idea is a lot of sites need cookies to work, but you should still be able to flush your history whenever you want. We're building a version of this for Facebook too. It will be a simple control to clear your browsing history on Facebook -- what you've clicked on, websites you've visited, and so on."

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  1. It'll be a simple tool to clear your history by olsmeister · · Score: 1

    You know, all the shit we track about you that's really none of our business. Yeah, that stuff.

    1. Re:It'll be a simple tool to clear your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How do we know it does anything? Watch this, reading this post will clear your Facebook history. "HISTORY CLEARED SUCCESSFULLY."

      See, it's real! Hahaha. Or is it just a wizbang noisemaker telling the user it's doing something, but actually doing nothing??

      Audit Facebook.

    2. Re:It'll be a simple tool to clear your history by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Also: what if I don't have a FB account? Will I be required to register in order to remove the browsing history they've collected?

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    3. Re:It'll be a simple tool to clear your history by taustin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course it will do something. It will set the "Do not admit we track this any more" flag.

    4. Re:It'll be a simple tool to clear your history by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      How do we know it does anything? Watch this, reading this post will clear your Facebook history. "HISTORY CLEARED SUCCESSFULLY."

      You know that Europe is passing big new laws to make that illegal, right? If they do that and some employee blows a whistle on them then they're in deep trouble.

      Meanwhile, the USA just watches. Where are their laws?

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    5. Re: It'll be a simple tool to clear your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We don't need no more stinking laws. There are laws already on the books for shit they were doing.

    6. Re: It'll be a simple tool to clear your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Name them!

    7. Re:It'll be a simple tool to clear your history by Alumoi · · Score: 1

      Of course, that's the whole idea. Get more suckers to sign in.

    8. Re: It'll be a simple tool to clear your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you gave your information to Facebook, then it is no longer YOUR data. It is THEIR data. Why should there be a law that is against data collection that is gathered from people who volunteer to give up that data? As long as it is info that pertains to them.

      What Cambridge did(and what some people say Obamas camp did(I disagree slightly) shouldn't be allowed. You shouldn't be allowed to blindly scrape everyone's data up that doesn't authorize it. Filling out apps on Facebook is one thing, your giving up your info, but for that app to also suck up your whole friends list and their data, that's a whole other ballgame.

      Saying that, what they do with shadow profiles and stalking non users is fucking shady, and needs to be dealt with. And that needs to be dealt with over in America as well as this Cambridge bullshit. If I don't give you my data, then you shouldn't be allowed to scrape every website with your "AI" to gather info on me. That's shady.

      Not sure what the penalty should be. That's a different discussion.

    9. Re: It'll be a simple tool to clear your history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you gave your information to Facebook, then it is no longer YOUR data. It is THEIR data. Why should there be a law that is against data collection that is gathered from people who volunteer to give up that data? As long as it is info that pertains to them.

      You are partially true. Yes, it is their data; however, for most people, there is a silent agreement (or expectation) that FB should not sell or disclose the data to any one including their partners. The data is their, but the information still belongs/relates to the user (privacy). Thus, that part should have laws in place to prevent them (FB) exploiting users (which they have been doing).

  2. All cookies??? by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    I'm assuming they only have the ability to clear browser cookies belonging to facebook-related domains.

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    1. Re:All cookies??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm assuming they only have the ability to clear browser cookies belonging to facebook-related domains.

      For the love of god read the fucking summary ... it's like cookies, but for the Facebook history.

    2. Re:All cookies??? by mnemotronic · · Score: 2

      ... read the fucking summary ...

      Good suggestion

      Mark Zuckerberg:

      Today at our F8 conference I'm going to discuss a new privacy control we're building called "Clear History".

      In your web browser, you have a simple way to clear your cookies and history. The idea is a lot of sites need cookies to work, but you should still be able to flush your history whenever you want. We're building a version of this for Facebook too. It will be a simple control to clear your browsing history on Facebook -- what you've clicked on, websites you've visited, and so on.

      We're starting with something a lot of people have asked about recently: the information we see from websites and apps that use Facebook's ads and analytics tools.

      Once we roll out this update, you'll be able to see information about the apps and websites you've interacted with, and you'll be able to clear this information from your account. You'll even be able to turn off having this information stored with your account.

      To be clear, when you clear your cookies in your browser, it can make parts of your experience worse. You may have to sign back in to every website, and you may have to reconfigure things. The same will be true here. Your Facebook won't be as good while it relearns your preferences.

      But after going through our systems, this is an example of the kind of control we think you should have. It's something privacy advocates have been asking for -- and we will work with them to make sure we get it right.

      One thing I learned from my experience testifying in Congress is that I didn't have clear enough answers to some of the questions about data. We're working to make sure these controls are clear, and we will have more to come soon.

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    3. Re:All cookies??? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Yeah, acting like they thought of it, that they're being good people.

      They're not running scared, Nope.

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    4. Re:All cookies??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... read the fucking summary ...

      Good suggestion

      So, either you're refusing to get the point, or you're a little slow on the metaphor ....

      In your web browser, you have a simple way to clear your cookies and history. The idea is a lot of sites need cookies to work, but you should still be able to flush your history whenever you want. We're building a version of this for Facebook too. It will be a simple control to clear your browsing history on Facebook -- what you've clicked on, websites you've visited, and so on.

      They're not making a fucking cookie cleaner. They're using cookies as a metaphor to explain the premise.

      So when you say I'm assuming they only have the ability to clear browser cookies belonging to facebook-related domains, you're fundamentally failing to grasp that in none of what you quote are they talking about actually deleting cookies .. they're describing the process as being like deleting cookies.

      Read it again. And once more if you still need it.

      They aren't deleting any fucking cookies -- theirs, or anybody else's. They're deleting (so they say) their internal history of what you've done.

      No cookies will be harmed in the use of this, because other than comparing the process to deleting cookies, it won't be actually doing anything to cookies.

  3. horse bolted, so close the door by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    too bad the horse already bolted, but might as well close the door.

    the app developers have already backed up their data, good luck getting them to clear that out.

    and I'm sure FB already has their backups, good luck getting rid of those.

    1. Re:horse bolted, so close the door by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and I'm sure FB already has their backups, good luck getting rid of those.

      Everyone has backups. Few are going to start digging in their backups unless they have unintentional data loss.
      Once the next backup is done the old backup is just bits on a disk that won't be restored.

      Individual persons opting out of Facebook isn't going to wreck their business model. They can afford to let you go.
      It is large scale movements away from Facebook that is a problem for them, then they have to keep that data around and be sneaky about it.

    2. Re:horse bolted, so close the door by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    3. Re:horse bolted, so close the door by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  4. Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Know how every elevator has 'Door Close' button? That doesn't seem to actually be connected to anything, and therefore does nothing? That's what I think this will be: it'll clear what you and others can see, but not a single byte of what Facebook stores.

    1. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      You have to keep pressing the button until the door closes.

    2. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Known+Nutter · · Score: 1

      Totally off topic, but depending on the make/model of the elevator system the Door Close button is functional for various service modes like firefighter service, attendant service, inspection service, etc.

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    3. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      In some cases it even works during normal service!

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    4. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      The AC above you made me chuckle. You, sadly, made me facepalm. :-( Humor would be appreciated. ;-)

    5. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly! Fakebook would NEVER give up one byte of the data that it collects and sells! Oh, and websites do not need cookies at all! Thats just what they want you to think. Just like Suckerberg wants you to thinks that he gives a shit about anything but how much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ he can make from storing and selling all of your personal data!!

    6. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what I think this will be: it'll clear what you and others can see, but not a single byte of what Facebook stores.

      It is pretty clear that this is implemented to be GDPR compliant since it requires that requires that they are able to remove personal data they have on Europeans that decides to close down their Facebook accounts.

      So yes, they can probably keep the data around and just flag it as "deleted".
      Problem is that they would need to keep that behavior very secret.
      They may be banking on EU giving them a couple of warnings first and give them time to actually remove the data before they get hit with the big hammer.
      GDPR contains a very clear message of "We expect you to comply, not pay the fine as a business expense."
      The fines are made to hurt you no matter how large you are. Facebook money isn't going to put you above the law.

    7. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I don’t mind a joke followed by technical information.

      Your post made me head-hits-wall.

    8. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a complete fool.

    9. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Know how every elevator has 'Door Close' button? That doesn't seem to actually be connected to anything, and therefore does nothing?

      Is that anything like those bacon machines in the bathroom that always seem to be broken?

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    10. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by superdave80 · · Score: 1

      But the door closes by itself after the exact same amount of time as holding the button. I've never seen it actually close the door any faster than just waiting.

    11. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by mea_culpa · · Score: 2

      The button does serve a purpose when the fire key is inserted.

    12. Re: Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Yup, 100% #FakeNews.

    13. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Yes, I am; what's your point? Do you have one? Other than the one on top of your head that is? xD xD xD

    14. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are correct in this. With Big Data, nothing is ever deleted, there is no need as cheap as storage is concerned. It only gets hidden from view. Facebook will keep the data forever.

      Captcha: Correct

    15. Re: Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on the elevator. At my university the elevator would stay open for 30 seconds if you didn't press the button but closed immediately when you did.

    16. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "In Soviet Russia, the button presses you..."

      Actually, in Soviet Russia, the button worked as it should AND had the bonus of turning a local elevator into an express. I don't know if it was supposed to or the Fire key was left activated (I couldn't read the Russian text), but holding the button let you us go directly to the floor we pressed without stopping.

    17. Re: Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the office, we have 6 elevators that come in pairs of 2 (two of them, next to each other). In the left ones the button reduces the time to close from 5.0s to 0.5s, on the right ones it does nothing. It's consistent for all 3 pairs of elevators.

      What did they smoke when they set it up like that?

    18. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Depends on the elevator and how it is configured. For some it makes no difference at all. For others it does. The one at my workplace closes several seconds faster if you press the button than if you don't.

    19. Re: Does anyone actually believe this is real? by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1

      You have to actually put your mouth to the tube for it to work. I thought this was a tech site!

    20. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My understanding is that it used to do something, but the ADA limited how quickly elevators could close, so they set the close to that amount, the button MIGHT do something if the default door closure time is greater than the minimum, but almost no one sets it to more than they have to.

      Long story short, in most cases it is a placebo.

    21. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by cb_abq · · Score: 0

      Too little, too late.

    22. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In some elevators it closes the door immediately.

    23. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      You misunderstand; they're not broken, just out of bacon. See, they cook the bacon up fresh whenever you press the button, so when it's out of bacon all you get is a blast of hot air. Since bacon is so universally popular, it's almost impossible to keep the machine stocked with bacon. What you need to do is camp out and wait for the maintenance person to service the restroom, which is when it's restocked with fresh bacon, and get yours right away. Sometimes they forget, though, so you'd better follow the guy into the restroom and remind him if he forgets, so you can get your freshly-cooked bacon. Glad to help! :-)

    24. Re:Does anyone actually believe this is real? by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      But the door closes by itself

      THIS is REAL; it is *how* you press the button. Follow these steps:

      1. Aim for the button.
      2. STOP! Right before the tip of your finger touches the button, you FREEZE.
      3. Turn your head around to look at the passenger(s).
      4. Wait for the doors to close automatically.
      5. Put on your sunglasses (optional)

      Try not to shake your head when the doors open.

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  5. Fuck You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck you, Zuck.

    Fuckzuck.com

  6. Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook is gonna build a button that lets me clear my browser cache. What I want is a button the expunges me from all of their fucking databases. And even if they built that button, I'd have to have a Facebook account to use it. Goddamn Catch-22.

  7. nope by Virtucon · · Score: 2

    It doesn't go far enough. Facebook, Intellius et al. need to be prohibited from collecting any data from anyone without an opt-in and controls as to what
    they can collect and when.

    Sorry, fuck off Zuck

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    1. Re:nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Collection and sale of people's data in any way needs to be outlawed, and have seven digit fines and triple digit jail sentences for each instance!

  8. Will a tracking cookie be needed... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

    ... in order for Facebook to track who does not want to be tracked?

    1. Re:Will a tracking cookie be needed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you are one of the billions of people without a Facebook account that Facebook is tracking. In that case yes, you will need to have the "do not track" tracker so that Facebook can track that they do not have your permission to track you, though they still will.

  9. And by clear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean download all info to the mothership and archive it for safe keeping.

  10. LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you have the option to clear "history", but Facebook indexes and records the information instantly, so it does NOTHING.

  11. This won't help anything by qzzpjs · · Score: 1

    All your data has already been copied a thousand times to other companies. I doubt Facebook will be forcing them to delete their copies too.

    1. Re:This won't help anything by GumphMaster · · Score: 1

      Even if it clears the current history pile, it then carries right on collecting a new one from the very next click. You are still uniquely identified and have more-or-less proven yourself a human being rather than some robot account: you may have actually increased the value of the new history.

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  12. The tool I want. Not the tool you provided. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want a tool that deletes all my Facebook history (posts, photos, comments, etc) prior to a certain date.

  13. and by "clear history"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they really mean, "remove from public view". there's no way zuck would ever actually delete your data. no. fucking. way.

  14. So Facebook has a new tool? by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    So Facebook says they now have a new tool. What happened? Did they somehow figure out a way to replace Zuckerberg?

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    1. Re:So Facebook has a new tool? by GumphMaster · · Score: 1

      Well played, Sir!

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  15. Source code leaked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    void OnUserClickedRemoveHistory()
    {
          userState.HideHistory = true;
          userPsychologyProfile.UserIsSecretive = true;
          NotifyDataCustomersAdditionalPsychologyCorrelationRowAvailable();
    }

  16. What's a Bathroom Bacon Machine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm totally confused.

    1. Re:What's a Bathroom Bacon Machine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Know your memes!
      http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/push-button-receive-bacon

  17. The NSA's Hotel California backend still running. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Window dressing for plebs. EVERYTHING you ever post is kept forever by three digits.. tell us about your freedumb Amerikuks. LOL.

  18. Zucker Or Kim Jung by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    Not sure who to believe.

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  19. Just visible/local data by sjbe · · Score: 1

    It will be just like deleting your browser history on your LOCAL computer or what is visible in your account. It won't do shit about the data Facebook has stored about you. That will never get deleted because that is what Facebook uses to make money.

    Basically nothing to see here. Move along.

  20. Do Not Use Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The answer here seems fairly simple. Facebook will lie, facebook will sell your data to unethical companies who will utilize it as they see fit, facebook will create fake history clearing areas to give the impression of doing something.

    Personally I see only one viable solution, the company has lost trust they never should have had in the first place and it is time to let this entire circus drown in the mud. If facebook does indeed fall over we would see a next generation platform rise from the ashes, this would be fantastic as those who rise will remember those who fell and not make the same mistakes.

  21. Too little, too late by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    Facebook is a day late and a dollar short! I am now 6 months free from Facebook and I will not be looking back ... ever.

  22. What about the histories sold to customers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, what about the data including these histories sold to customers? Will they be deleted too? (Like the undeleted data at Cambridge Analytica.)

  23. You're stupid to trust Fuckerberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This asshole lies to you all the time. The WHOLE PURPOSE of Facebook is data gathering. Facebook isn't going to stop doing this, they're just going to lie to you and claim they are going to stop doing this, if you ask.

    People are such stupid sheep.

  24. Why not take the vivaldi browser approach? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not empower users with their history instead of sneaking around and doing shady things?

    https://help.vivaldi.com/article/history/

  25. Clears records, not the metadata by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    All they care about is the metadata, and they already stored that.

    This won't delete that.

    Still a violation of Canadian Constitutional Right of Privacy and EU Right of Privacy, and FB knows that, which is why they have different platforms there.

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  26. Deleting data after a security breech by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

    We have an expression for when you do things like take security measures after a security breech. It's "closing the door after the horse has bolted." Also, in Facebookese, "clear" probably doesn't mean "delete" either. More likely means "hide it from you but available to anyone else who pays for it."

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  27. Wouldn't it be better to just... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    delete FaceBook. I meant delete everything and close it down. It is now a blot on society.

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  29. Faceblock! by kaybee · · Score: 1

    About time we get Faceblock!

  30. It's all in the summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Clear history."

  31. The only way to delete anything on Facebook.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only way to delete anything on Facebook is air strikes. Take out their data centers.

    Sadly the 9/11 guys caused a lot of pain and distress by taking out something that was essentially useless, the WTC.

    Had they waited a bit they could have been more helpful.

         

  32. Why should I believe it? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Why should I believe that anything gets deleted at all? For all I know it could (and judging from Facebook's history would) just be hidden from view. For the user, of course, not to Facebook.

    Sorry. There is nothing, literally nothing this company can do to convince anyone that they are anything but a privacy invasion.

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