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Canada Facing 'Brain Drain' As Young Tech Talent Leaves For Silicon Valley (theglobeandmail.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Globe and Mail: Canada's best and brightest computer engineering graduates are leaving for jobs in Silicon Valley at alarmingly high rates, fueling a worse "brain drain" than the mass exodus by Canadian doctors two decades ago, according to a new study. The study, led by Zachary Spicer, a senior associate with the Munk School of Global Affairs' Innovation Policy Lab at University of Toronto, found one-in-four recent science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) graduates from three of the country's top universities -- University of Waterloo, University of British Columbia and U of T -- were working outside Canada. The numbers were higher for graduates of computer engineering and computer science (30 percent), engineering science (27 percent) and software engineering, where two out three graduates were working outside Canada, mostly in the United States. Nearly 44 percent of those working abroad were employed as software engineers, with Microsoft, Google, Facebook and Amazon listed as top employers.
This is unlikely, since we all know from comments on Slashdot that the US is a third world hellhole no one would want to even visit, much less live in. Surely they meant they fled to Europe, which as we all know is a welcoming, enlightened place for humans to live in peace and harmony.
Are you sure you're not talking about Canada in general? I for one am sick and tired of the high taxes (especially income tax) - maybe a lot of people have already reached their limit and are leaving. After all, tech is a highly mobile job.
Public Transportation. Clean Water and Air. Free healthcare.
As for the States? 2 hour commutes... one way. Smog days... in summer. Lead in my water. Lax safety regulations. High taxes that pay for nothing but a big 'ole military empire. And education system that's been gutted.
If I had it to do over again I'd moved to Canada in a heartbeat.
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Canada is great if you are a low skilled, under educated worker.
If you can turn a bolt, tighten a screw, slap on some paint, or do anything in the auto industry, we will go to great lengths to save your job.
If you are highly educated though, good luck, f**k you, go work elsewhere, shut up and pay your obscenely high taxes so we can pay some idiot to tighten a bolt. You do electrical engineering? F**k that, unless you are in the auto industry, or oil industry.
Canada, good to be under educated.
USA: Sucks to be under educated.
There must be a middle ground somewhere.
The difference is that when you have a kangaroo court that can fine you into oblivion for making factual statements, and directly quoting someone. You have a serious problem in your apparent democracy. These aren't criminal courts, they're "human rights" courts and it's enough that a person can ruin your life because "they feel offended by what you say." They're also insanely biased, a recent example where a muslim would only rent to muslims was perfectly okay. But a christian only renting to christians wasn't allowed and considered a HRC violation.
Oh and I shouldn't forget, in Canada we have a parallel criminal sentencing system if you're native/indigenous. Read gladue if you want to see that clusterfuck. Despite that it was to be "only minor crimes" there's been plenty of instances where rapists, attempted murder, and so on with the person having a laundry list of crimes was simply given a slap on the wrist.
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The 50k job loss was expected. It's a short term decline that happens with every minimum wage increase which is inevitably recovered within about a year. 100% of the increase at the bottom end is spent because it's still impossible for the poor to save money, they just end up with slightly more to spend on the things they need. Thus, in the long term it grows the economy by circulating that money through the economy.
I'm a US citizen that moved to Toronto because I loved the city. What I found is that the tech jobs just don't pay there, while the city is rapidly increasing in price. My understanding is Vancouver isn't much different. I took a pay cut to move there, and ultimately left for a Seattle-based job. After the exchange rate, my salary in Seattle is double that of Toronto - while the cost of living isn't that much more. I talked to many tech people in Toronto, and never found someone who was making 6 figures Canadian even.
I would love to move back to Toronto, but the low salaries, high cost of living, and poor benefits (most companies only wanted to offer 2 weeks of vacation time, and my company didn't even offer retirement plans) made it a poor financial decision for me. If Canada wants to stop the brain drain, they need to fix the salary problem.
So why the hell didn't you GTFO yet? You should be very happy in the US with its neo-feudalist/protofascist shit laws, dirt cheap filthy energy, and large community of deplorables (meaning racist/xenophobic/otherwise bigoted hatemongers). They still have stagnant wages like most of the planet, but you might be satisfied to blame that on illegal immigrants there.
Oh boy, I sure do like the progressives. The ones that are so out of touch that they think that anyone who doesn't fall in line should be attacked. So, my dear progressive moron. Please explain why Quebec said "that's it, we're full" on illegals crossing from the US. It broke their bank, and they had to send a bill to the federal government for reimbursement. Why don't you explain, why Ontario is also right at the breaking point, again from all those illegals.
Now why don't you explain why there have been more illegals entering from the US then actual refugees from Syria. When you're done that, you can explain where we're going to get all this money for taking care of them. Then you can explain why Trudeau, after saying "Canada welcomes illegals" is suddenly looking to Trump and asking in very nice and polite words, if they could help Canada deal with the massive influx of illegals crossing into Canada from the US. Oh, and by "help" they mean, please deport them to their country of origin.
It's a real shame that wannabe-American Canadians like you aren't given honorary American citizenship so you can fuck off to your utopia. Maybe the two countries could work out a liberal/deplorable citizen exchange program?
It's a real shame that individuals like yourself who think money grows on trees, and is perfectly okay with people ghettoizing entire areas of a city is great. Hey, you wonder why Toronto and Ottawa have both had a massive jump in gun crime, stabbings, and violent assaults? Please explain why this is happening just "particular" areas. Can you explain with even the barest trickle of illegals being granted temporary residency that in small cities(under 50k) where they may have 2 rapes/year, have seen 40-80 in a year...suddenly, and the people arrested just "happen" to fall into one particular racial and economic demographic.
It's almost like importing/allowing illegals in who have no care for the law, refuse to assimilate, and view women as worthless cause serious stability problems in society. Hey, maybe while you're at it you can go look at the UK which did something similar, and there's over 20 cites now with massive "asian" child rape gangs, and the police and government looked the other way while the rampant abuse was going on. Hey, while you're at it, why don't you go ask the local police boards in Ontario, why they're trying to push the EXACT same policies on police services in Ontario, that created that massive level of abuse in the UK.
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