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Decade Old Academic Paper on Global Climate Zones Named the Most Cited Source on Wikipedia (theguardian.com)

An academic paper on global climate zones written by three Australians more than a decade ago has been named the most cited source on Wikipedia, having being referenced more than 2.8m times. From a report: The authors of the paper, who are still good friends, had no idea about the wider impact of their work until recently. The paper, published in 2007 in the journal Hydrology and Earth System Sciences, used contemporary data to update a widely used model for classifying the world's climates. Known as the Koppen Climate Classification System, the model was first published by climatologist Wladimir Koppen in 1884, but it had not been comprehensively updated for decades.

The lead author of the paper is Dr Murray Peel, a senior lecturer in the department of infrastructure engineering at the University of Melbourne, and he co-authored the updated climate map with geography professor Brian Finlayson and engineering professor Thomas McMahon, both now retired. "We are amazed, absolutely amazed at the number of citations," Finlayson told Guardian Australia from his home in Melbourne. "We are not so much amazed at the fact it's been cited as we are about the number of people who have cited it."

37 comments

  1. So Claims The Dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who Maintains That Page.

    1. Re:So Claims The Dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck Wikipedia and the children who think they own articles.

      I pay a subscription for Encyclopaedia Britannica, but at least I can be sure that the information they provide me is factual and not twisted by fanbois or SWJs.

  2. Being most cited source on Wikipedia... by TheZeitgeist · · Score: 3, Funny

    is like academic equivalent of being hottest search term on pr0nhub; its kind of a mark of shame, but all your peers secretly wish it was them anyways.

  3. Time to revert it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the other power hungry admins will revert its citation as not notable.

  4. Polite Conversation. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Normally in polite conversation we will talk about the weather. I would guess that many articles about towns/cities/states/countries/continent/hemisphere... would probably like to explain what climate it has. As climate affects the culture of the land.

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    1. Re:Polite Conversation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that, a lot of those geographical articles were written by filling in a basic template (some even by an automated process), and I believe the Koppen climate classification is a part of that template.

  5. Not surpising by riverat1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Considering that nearly every article about a city, state, nation, geographic region, etc. talks about the Koppen climate classification of that area it's not surprising that the work would be cited so much. And for all you folks thinking this is about climate change, no it's not. It's about the existing climate as it is in those places.

  6. Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We are not so much amazed at the fact it's been cited as we are about the number of people who have cited it.

    A basic concept in geography taught to the kids from the very start of the subject is .. fundamental.

  7. Re: Republicans prefer to live without science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is it the same climate change article that states unless you live on top of a mountain after 2009 your house would be under water? I'm confused because if the science was even minutely accurate we'd screwed by now.

  8. Re:Boiler Plate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're just upset they rejected your citation of Alex Jones's report on Hillary's latest offense involving the construction of a Weather Control Ray.

  9. What is usage exc. climate-change-topic pages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Climate change" is on the list of Wikipedia's hot button topics.

    People will use citations - correctly or not - in such articles to bolster their agenda and make it less likely their point-of-view-pushing claims will be removed for "lack of objective evidence."

    So, if you eliminated all uses where this citation was used on weather/climate-change topics or weather/climate-change sections of other articles, what would its count be?

    1. Re:What is usage exc. climate-change-topic pages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazing, you can't even competently RTFS. This ain't about global warming; it's about Wikipedia's role as a gazetteer. It's supposed to have an article on every state, province, county, town, etc.; practically all of those describe which climate zone they're in.

  10. Re:Boiler Plate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you familiar with the concept of auto-fellation and self-fornication?

  11. Baity-Clicky by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The most cited paper in Mathematics is over half a century old.

    http://math.harvard.edu/~ctm/h...

    The most cited work in optics is several centuries old.

    https://www.gutenberg.org/file...

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  12. Re:Boiler Plate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wasn't, until I looked it up in Wikipedia.

  13. Re: Republicans prefer to live without science by wyHunter · · Score: 1

    Can you cretins give it a break? Please?

  14. I want to see by Hylandr · · Score: 1

    What I want to see, is the original study that determined CO2 emissions were a greenhouse gas.

    I want all the details required to independently recreate the experiment and make my own observations.

    I have looked, but so far, I haven't found the details. Does anyone here know where to go?

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    1. Re:I want to see by hyades1 · · Score: 2

      Svante Arrheniusâ(TM) 1896 paper on the Greenhouse Effect, entitled âoeOn the influence of carbonic acid in the air upon the temperature of the groundâ.

      Others that filled in answers Arrhenius didn't have the tools to address:

      https://www.carbonbrief.org/the-most-influential-climate-change-papers-of-all-time

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    2. Re:I want to see by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I will go check that out tonight.

      Just to be clear,
      I am looking for the original work. I will go forward from there. :)

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    3. Re:I want to see by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      John Tyndall was among the first to measure the greenhouse gas characteristics of various gases in the 1850s.

      John Tyndall

      In 1862 Tyndall wrote this:

      As a dam built across a river causes a local deepening of the stream, so our atmosphere, thrown as a barrier across the terrestrial [infrared] rays, produces a local heightening of the temperature of the Earth's surface.

    4. Re:I want to see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this a joke? You think CO2 might not be a greenhouse gas? You know that Venus has been running an experiment on that, don't you...

    5. Re:I want to see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I want to see, is the original study that determined CO2 emissions were a greenhouse gas.

      I want all the details required to independently recreate the experiment and make my own observations.

      I'm a chemist and I can give you a bit more information. It's nothing special about CO2 that makes it a greenhouse gas. It's the fact that it has three atoms that makes it a greenhouse gas. Molecules with two atoms can only stretch or shorten their single bond. However, any molecule with three or more atoms can also bend it's bonds (think of a scissoring movement). This scissoring is the most important vibration involved in greenhouse effect, due to the frequencies at which it occurs. Now, any molecule with three or more atoms can vibrate like this. And bigger molecules tend to have more available modes of vibration (if you have 20 atoms, there's many more ways to bend three atom formations, than if you have only three). So it all boils down to the availability in the atmosphere. Water and CO2 exist in big quantities in the atmosphere. Butane (with 14 atoms in total) is much better as a greenhouse gas, but it exists in a much smaller quantity, so ends up having an overall smaller contribution. A quick search led to this video about the subject. It goes a bit more in detail than what I mentioned here (it explains that not only bending matters, but other modes as well), but still not so much that you'd feel overwhelmed.
      Good luck with your experiments!

    6. Re:I want to see by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      I'll send you a gold-plated Thank You for that!

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  15. Re: Republicans prefer to live without science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Life must suck being so angry, and emotionally and irrationally hate-filled.

  16. 2.8 million citations and still not a professor! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many more until Melbourne Uni recognise him?

  17. Re: Republicans prefer to live without science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both sides of this thread are just pointless.

    1. Not all Republicans deny climate science. Can we please stop politicizing climate science, on both sides?
    2. Not all Republicans support Trump, and not all Trump supporters are Republicans.
    3. > Is it the same climate change article that states unless you live on top of a mountain after 2009 your house would be under water? I'm confused because if the science was even minutely accurate we'd screwed by now.
    Its not an article, its an academic paper (like it says in the title) from a peer-reviewed journal. If the article you mention actually exists, its not written by scientists.

    Instead of getting your science and your politics from Facebook, you should try reading books or at least seek out articles that seem well researched and don't necessarily line up with exactly what you want to hear. Instead of voicing the first opinion that comes into your head maybe stop for a second and think about your opinion and the opposing sides. Maybe go and read a wikipedia article so you can say something useful.

    Unless we collectively start communicating and actually thinking critically about what we're saying, we're all F'ed.

  18. Re: Republicans prefer to live without science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is *only* the US right wing that politicized climate change. The POTUS called climate change a Chinese hoax. The POTUS said that he heard that vaccines cause autism. There is a huge chunk of the US populace that believes that these are not enough of a big issue to matter when selecting the President... those people are not necessarily anti-science, but they obviously think being anti-science is better than being a democrat.

  19. Looking, Seeing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See also The Discovery of Global Warming, which gives a historical overview of the major papers. Note that AGW was considered entirely disproven for about 50 years: the reasons why should be of considerable interest to true skeptics.

  20. Re: Republicans prefer to live without science by Barsteward · · Score: 1
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  21. Re: Republicans prefer to live without science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All Global Warming predictions thus far have not materialized. Yet the political ideology marches on... (global warming is no longer science, it's a political movement.. It lost the ability to be called science when the espouesers of it began to declare skepticism of it should be "outlawed" and even called for jailing of skeptics. We all know that the Scientific Method REQUIRES skepticism... unless it's "global warming", of course.....

    I know, ready for the minions of the left to start flaming..

    Well, guess what, I won't even be back to read your replies! Take that!

  22. Re: Republicans prefer to live without science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they obviously think being anti-science is better than being one specific Democrat.

    FTFY