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Mozilla To Amazon: Show Us How You're Protecting Kids' Data (cnet.com)

Amazon's product page for its new Echo Dot Kids Edition doesn't mention the words "privacy" or "data." Mozilla thinks it should. From a report: The e-commerce company last month introduced the new, child-friendly Echo device, powered by an Alexa voice assistant that was modified for kids ages 5 to 12. The $80 gadget becomes available Wednesday, along with new kid-friendly services called FreeTime on Alexa and FreeTime Unlimited on Alexa. Just ahead of those launches, Mozilla, the nonprofit behind the Firefox web browser and a growing political force in tech, on Monday said it spoke with Amazon directly about about the new device.

It asked Amazon to update the Echo Dot Kids Edition product page with specific information on how it uses children's data collected through the smart speaker. That way, parents shopping for the gadget could easily read Amazon's privacy information without having to dig around for it, Mozilla argued. Mozilla has already posted a petition on its website calling for these changes, but Ashley Boyd, Mozilla's vice president of advocacy, said in a statement Monday night that Mozilla is "heartened" that Amazon listened to its concerns. She added that Mozilla is pausing that petition while it continues to talk with Amazon.

50 comments

  1. Why is mozilla in this business? by blahbooboo · · Score: 0

    Mozilla, please go back to creating software. Leave the privacy advocacy to the professionals.

    1. Re:Why is mozilla in this business? by BKDotCom · · Score: 3, Funny

      https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/...

      > Our mission is to ensure the Internet is a global public resource, open and accessible to all. An Internet that truly puts people first, where individuals can shape their own experience and are empowered, safe and independent.

    2. Re:Why is mozilla in this business? by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      Who are the professionals? Because there doesn't seem to be any, or at least none that are doing anything.

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      my karma will be here long after I'm gone
    3. Re:Why is mozilla in this business? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you lick a butthoal, you lick it for life!

    4. Re:Why is mozilla in this business? by EvilSS · · Score: 1
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      I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
    5. Re:Why is mozilla in this business? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      open and accessible to all

      Open and accessible as long as you say what they want to hear. For everyone else they're working hard on automated censorship tools for news and comment sections.

      After all, free speech needs to be regulated for a safer, smarter Internet!

    6. Re:Why is mozilla in this business? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny when whiny nothing faggots like you want to consider yourselves "adults" as you burst into tears on slashdot. No wonder you're not at work lol.

       

    7. Re:Why is mozilla in this business? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't you be in school?

    8. Re:Why is mozilla in this business? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bound to be the best comment on this post. +1, sad but true.

    9. Re:Why is mozilla in this business? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn English so you can have a vote on that.

    10. Re:Why is mozilla in this business? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aww, lil' snowflake lashing out 'cause his feelings got hurt by the truth?

    11. Re:Why is mozilla in this business? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it my forgot, or yours? That wasn't clear to me.

      You can totally configure this on the front page via the gear.

    12. Re:Why is mozilla in this business? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The truth" is going to drop a prisonload of inmate spunk in your lower intestine, Trumpy. Get mentally prepared now, then help Jared. He's not ready for this.

    13. Re: Why is mozilla in this business? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am you insensitive clod.

    14. Re: Why is mozilla in this business? by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

      They're entering sjw mode, or have been for a while, so they need gimmicks to stay relevant as there is a direct inverse correlation between social justice and competent work.

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      On the Oregon Cost born and raised, On the beach is where I spent most of my days
    15. Re: Why is mozilla in this business? by Gollent · · Score: 1

      That's what makes business stay alive.

  2. Firefox is fucking awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They still let javascript popups lock your browser so you have to kill the process. In 2018 they still allow those kind of cheesy attacks? I literally uninstalled it last week when some malware ad opened an unclosable window. Firefox is a terrible product, and Mozilla is incompetent.

    1. Re:Firefox is fucking awful by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      They really are. The only reason I keep it installed is because Chrome is just as incompetent and the others aren't worth mentioning

    2. Re:Firefox is fucking awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same. Firefox is still my go-to browser with Chromium as a backup. No one should install Chrome.

    3. Re: Firefox is fucking awful by joemck · · Score: 2

      And how would you prevent this sort of thing in a way that won't interfere with legit Javascript apps or be easily defeated? If it were that easy we'd have it as an extension or core feature by now. Instead we have things like uMatrix that generally work but are really fiddly.

      Firefox definitely has its downsides. It gradually eats RAM until it gets too slow to use and needs to be restarted. That's why I use Chromium for most browsing - its memory leaks are mostly per tab-process and reset when you close a tab. I keep it around for things like YouTube where Chromium and its extensions can't block obnoxious ads. And on Android Firefox wins hands-down since Chrome/ium have no extension support, very basic options, and even no way to back out of a site that pollutes your history to trap you.

      Of course I long for the Firefox 2.x days, where you could browse with fifty tabs on a Pentium 4 with half a gig of RAM and not have problems until XP ran out of window handles. But that wasn't the same stupidly Javascript-heavy web we have today, where a single page load couldn't fit on a floppy and basic news sites pull shenanigans to defeat no-autoplay settings and make an unwanted streaming video follow you down the page while you attempt to read.

    4. Re:Firefox is fucking awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you lick a butthoal, you lick it for life!


       

    5. Re:Firefox is fucking awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop auto-running every script then?
      There will always be a way that crappy scripts can mess with you. Even in Linux/Unix you might just run this :

      while true ; do echo "Fuck you " ; done

      and it will waste a ton of CPU doing this over and over again. There's even a command with about the same functionality called "yes". So, just run yes& forty times and so how much CPU you've wasted. I'll have to try. You can hold the space bar when running "top" as well.
      To fuck with your X11 or window manager? Maybe I can just open 4000 windows, no matter the OS, now have fun closing them or using the task bar.
      I think both Linux and Windows allow you to log off/out with a single command. So, if a ridiculous script runs with user privileges, why not have it put that command in a login script or a shortcut run at start up, such that when you log in the first thing you do beside loading all the crap is to log out.

      Seems we have it EASY with browser vandalism

    6. Re:Firefox is fucking awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Post Scriptum :

      To mess with storage , why not dd if=/dev/zero of=~/dummy-file bs=4K, until you have zero byte left usable by your home directory (use if=/dev/urandom if your file system is compressed)
      Now this will be even funnier as things crash or fail randomly and log in will likely fail next time.

    7. Re:Firefox is fucking awful by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      XUL pleased my anus greatly

    8. Re: Firefox is fucking awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how would you prevent this sort of thing in a way that won't interfere with legit Javascript apps or be easily defeated?

      No modal Javascript windows. Done.

    9. Re: Firefox is fucking awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easier in old windows, just run the old Deltree command. We had fun with that.

    10. Re: Firefox is fucking awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >And how would you prevent this sort of thing in a way that won't interfere with legit Javascript apps or be easily defeated?

      I don't know, do whatever Chrome does? When one of these bullshit java popup hell things goes off in Chrome I just close the fucking tab and move on. Firefox does not allow you to do this. Yell, unless you have the reflexes of a South Korean Starcraft pro and can click "close" button and then click the "x" on the tab before the next popup pops.

    11. Re:Firefox is fucking awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could be worse, you could have to use chrome.

  3. Re:Why is blahboopoo blathering about this? GFY. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blahpooboob, please go back to whinging instead of giving advice to corporations as if they care what you think or will listen in any sense. Leave reality to its own blathered whims, not yours thanks.

  4. Hey dumb ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    You're soft in the head. Mozilla (corporation) is a $0.5 billion mega corp, which cuts data sharing deals with other surveillance companies, and even bought one called Pocket for its 17 million users + private info.

    The non-profit Foundation is a good front to fool liberal tools such as yourself, but don't think Mozilla is any different from the rest.

    1. Re:Hey dumb ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Checking Mozilla Foundation's Form 990's, I've always been puzzled how 4 million invested in securities and hedge funds located in the Caribbean contributes to their "mission".

    2. Re:Hey dumb ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there are good-hearted drug lords who want to donate a bit of their drug lord money and Mozilla having a presence there enables it, that's a good thing.

  5. New winner of the Ten Dollar Amazon Lottery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did they offer you ten dollars in amazon prime to shut up and go away?

  6. Marketing by bjdevil66 · · Score: 1

    Though they've come a long ways with Quantum, they can't outright crush Chrome in terms of performance. There's therefore no compelling technical reason for old Firefox users to switch back.

    They have finally realized they needed a different marketing angle, and they're rebranding themselves as the alternative for people concerned about privacy. (Whether Firefox is really concerned about privacy is irrelevant, BTW. We're talking about marketing. And it's Firefox's best marketing play they have; There's no way that Chrome can honestly compete in that category.)

  7. wow, /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it was not that long ago that you were all praising firefox and sucking gecko dick because of firefox quantum and how much better it was (even without the old addons), how fast it was now, how you've all reinstalled it and made it your default again, and how much more awesome it was than your previous butt-buddy, chrome.

  8. SJWs by tomhath · · Score: 1

    Not so much privacy as their SJW agenda. Remember, this is the organization that brought us Rust.

  9. Stones thrown from looking glass houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need a real independent browser foundation. One that won't cuck themselves for search engines or ads in the browser. Brave, Palemoon and Firefox all betray their users in the end. We deserve better.

    1. Re:Stones thrown from looking glass houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't Mozilla supposed to be that? I don't think they ever really were (almost from the get-go all their attention was on making money), but it's certainly the drum they've been beating since they split from Netscape.

      Given how complex browsers have become, I'm not sure it's really possible for a new player without big financing (and therefore almost certainly an agenda) to get involved. I'd love to see it, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.

    2. Re:Stones thrown from looking glass houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, HTML5 was supposed to make things easy, just use an <audio> or <video>, right? :)
      There are a few sites where this works, with javascript disabled (even porn sites sometimes though that was just the free sample)

      But, when I'm trying to watch simple low res, raw HTML5 video the poor thing is unable to buffer. It just stutters constantly, playing one or two seconds, pausing, playing, pausing. Wow!

  10. Tomhath baby loves to cry, waaah SJW's raped me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tomhath baby crying about SJW's again, cry into your beer

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/blakemontgomery/melania-trump-cyberbullying-pamphlet?utm_term=.plwx4MBPV#.qa28a3dwb

  11. IANAL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but I liek anal!

  12. Amazon's Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazon should ask Mozilla why they shouldn't just ban Mozilla software from Amazon.com and filter any packets incoming to AWS from Mozilla applications.

  13. Kids data? Why not just everyone's data? by Roger+Wilcox · · Score: 2

    Why is it that protecting kid's data is so much more damn important than protecting people's data in general? Reach the age of majority and suddenly everybody is just OK with corporations pillaging the hell out of your data?

    That's not how it should work. Everyone's data should be legally protected.

  14. Says the Coward by tomhath · · Score: 1

    Anonymous internet tough guy. Scary.

  15. Amazon to Mozilla: Who are you again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And how are you relevant (to this question, and indeed, in general)

  16. Slashdot To Mozilla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot To Mozilla: Shut the fuck up and fix your softwares.

    1. Re:Slashdot To Mozilla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mozilla to anonymous coward: shut your hole.