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One of the Worst Jobs in America: Responding To Irate Tweets From New York City Subway Riders (wsj.com)

Every day, the frustrations of New York City subway riders spew out in the form of 2,500 often profanity-laced tweets directed at the Metropolitan Transportation Authority. From a report: "Thanks @MTA for making sure we can't buy metrocards AGAIN," wrote @itzMzLori, 31-year-old beauty blogger Lori Tenn, who found her card machine closed. "I swear I f-ing hate y'all." The job of taking this vitriol -- and offering measured responses -- falls to the social-media team behind @MTA and @NYCTSubway. The two Twitter accounts for the agency that manages the New York City subway, bus and commuter rail system have more than two million often angry followers. "We're New Yorkers, we have thick skins, but we're human," said Molly Washam, an even-keeled 30-year-old. "We do sometimes gather around the monitor to see the meanest thing someone could come up with that day."

To stay calm, she said she does yoga, and recently tried a pottery class. Rampant subway delays and breakdowns in recent years are making the work more intense. A 2017 report by the New York City comptroller found weekday subway delays rose 83% between 2013 and 2016. The agency has begun a modernization plan to make improvements, including upgrading the signaling system and hiring more subway workers. New Yorkers' response to repairs? "Really @MTA, More of your Bs complications," wrote @MattMercadoNYC, rider Matt Mercado, 34, of the Bronx. "You pick Thursday AND Friday for these 'Required Repairs'??!?" "We know they might not mean everything they're saying," said Sarah Meyer, the MTA's customer-service chief. But, "I can't personally change the signaling system."

98 comments

  1. Spoiled much? by Train0987 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anyone who believes replying to tweets, no matter how mean, even cracks the list of top 1,000 worst jobs has probably never had a job period. This is what all public relations people do. I also notice there's no mention of their taxpayer funded salaries and benefits.

    1. Re:Spoiled much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need a brain transplant.

    2. Re:Spoiled much? by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

      100% agree there. Reminds me of when someone tried to claim PTSD from twitter. Sure I'll give that PTSD can absolutely be caused by social situations... but the wonderful thing about twitter is it isn't even real time. You aren't on the spot, if you are just representing yourself, you can just walk away without any real concern, if you are representing a company... you can take a minute to grab a cup of coffee, remind yourself that they are angry about a situation of which you aren't responsible for, rather than angry at you.

    3. Re:Spoiled much? by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Anyone who believes replying to tweets, no matter how mean, even cracks the list of top 1,000 worst jobs has probably never had a job period. This is what all public relations people do. I also notice there's no mention of their taxpayer funded salaries and benefits.

      Exactly. I was wondering why the fuck the subway system even needs a Twitter account to begin with. It has operated for many decades without it, and outages and maintenance work can be posted to a website. And no, that doesn't mean a website with a fucking comments section. It means an HTTP server that disseminates information, and does not require taxpayers to fund a fucking social media team.

    4. Re:Spoiled much? by ranton · · Score: 1

      Couldn't agree more. If you think this job is tough try roofing or nearly any other construction related job. I did that for one summer and even growing up on a farm didn't compare. It is still a constant reminder of why I am blessed to have a desk job.

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      -- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
    5. Re:Spoiled much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Public Relations: Otherwise known as professional apologizes. Wasn't there an article about this the other day calling this type of job worthless?

    6. Re: Spoiled much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need a brain transplant. Remove it from your anus.

    7. Re:Spoiled much? by edittard · · Score: 2

      Anyone who believes replying to tweets, no matter how mean, even cracks the list of top 1,000 worst jobs

      I'm rather surprised that it's a job at all.

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      At the bottom of the /. main page it says 'Yesterday's News'. Well they got that right.
    8. Re:Spoiled much? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      You are the most self-centered nut on here. I get it: you are "independent" rural gun nut. Go play with your guns.

    9. Re:Spoiled much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you think this job is tough try roofing or nearly any other construction related job.

      Interesting. Do you also think that mental illnesses are not real illnesses since they aren't physical?

      Don't get me wrong, I certainly love my desk job, but saying that a mentally-taxing job can't be tough just because it isn't physically-taxing, is just plain incorrect.

    10. Re:Spoiled much? by Rastl · · Score: 1

      I was wondering why the fuck the subway system even needs a Twitter account to begin with.

      I use Twitter to connect with the Denver public transit system. It's fast and they respond in very good time. It's convenient to type a quick message and be done with it.

      Elevator not working at a station? Tweet them. Train didn't show up on time? Tweet. Driver issues? Tweet. They respond to all of them and get more information as needed. All this in a public forum.

      Customer service is one of the actual good uses for Twitter in my opinion.

    11. Re:Spoiled much? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 0

      >> Glad I don't have to depend on public transportation

      ^^^ THIS ^^^. Add that to the risk of strike once unions get involved and the excess pollution associated with empty trains and busses and you see why the 20th-century version of public transportation is drag on modern society. I, for one, look forward to universal car sharing (essentially subsidized electric taxis with automated drivers) and the continued death of passenger rail (because the places people want to live and travel to are constantly changing).

    12. Re:Spoiled much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of fucked up brain produces fucked up logic like this. I don't normally hide behind anon, (i'm not Ranton), but slash has turned into a cesspool and I really can't be fucked with even logging in any more

    13. Re:Spoiled much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, words hurt now.

    14. Re:Spoiled much? by cayenne8 · · Score: 0

      You are the most self-centered nut on here. I get it: you are "independent" rural gun nut. Go play with your guns.

      I do not live anywhere close to what someone would consider "rural"...

      And because I enjoy guns (I enjoy a LOT of other activities and collections too)...I'm a nut?

      And not sure what scorn you are putting on term "independent"??

      You think independence and not going along with group think all the time is a bad thing? The collective is better than the individual?

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      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    15. Re: Spoiled much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article is about NYC. There is no such thing as an empty subway train. If you prefer to spend 2 hrs in a car where subway could take you in 45 minutes, go for it.

      But the, you are not a New Yorker, and the subject of MTA went a little over your head. The article is not doing a good job explaining why people are frustrated with current state of a system that carries almost 6 millions of people a day. But, your understanding of the subject is even worse.

    16. Re:Spoiled much? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Anyone who believes replying to tweets, no matter how mean, even cracks the list of top 1,000 worst jobs

      I'm rather surprised that it's a job at all.

      I'd prefer that they provide troll replies. "Don't like our service?...Suck it!", "Your train was dirty?...go lick the 3rd rail".

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      Just another day in Paradise
    17. Re:Spoiled much? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's like manning the customer complaints line, but the whole world is listening in and can hear your every word.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
  2. Feedback is data by JMJimmy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It may suck responding to them (a process that can likely be automated) but the feedback is important data points to analyze. The level of vitriol & number of complaints can help them figure out what problems need to be addressed.

    1. Re: Feedback is data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I initially agreed with you until I read, "I can't personally change the signaling system."

      They're acting like they're just a mouthpiece, with no input to the decision makers. Meaning the city has helpfully provided a void that you can scream into while they do whatever they were going to do anyway.

    2. Re: Feedback is data by Falos · · Score: 1

      > helpfully provided a void that you can scream into while they do whatever they were going to do anyway
      This is EXACTLY what a lot of businesses intentionally pay for. To be inaccessible while pretending they are. To be insulated from the second party. Never had a job as a phone jockey?

      Not that your job has to be exclusively about it. A secretary has duties besides being interference.

    3. Re: Feedback is data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As someone who has worked support jobs before, it isn't unlikely that they're just a mouthpiece with no input to the decision makers.

      Many decision makers literally think their social media team is an apology manufacturing service and do not care about trying to gather any useful data, much the same as how some companies use their support teams primarily as blame dodgers.

      "We're sorry that the recent update has caused issues for your implementation. The product team is currently working on a solution to the issue which will be sent out in a future update." Then the support person makes a ticket, and the ticket is sent into a black hole by an analyst by giving it a number just below whatever priority isn't "the place is on fire".

    4. Re:Feedback is data by mjwx · · Score: 1

      It may suck responding to them (a process that can likely be automated) but the feedback is important data points to analyze. The level of vitriol & number of complaints can help them figure out what problems need to be addressed.

      This. We are nearly at the point with AI where such things can be entirely automated.

      Lets face it, tweets and other forms of social media are losing their impact. These days if you see a poorly worded, cliche ridden tweet with terrible grammar about a business (airline, train company, fast food), you know that it was done by some frothing-at-the-mouth manchild sitting alone in their flat in their underwear you know that it's exaggerated and that it shouldn't be given the time of day. Realistically we're at the point where these things can be ignored completely, getting a robo-response is the equivalent of "we've received your complaint" emails and done exclusively for politeness.

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      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
  3. Or, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From Trump. America has a terrible job.

  4. How about Microsoft's support department by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being on the call center for victims^H^H^Hcustomers of computer's "upgraded" to WIndows 10.

    1. Re:How about Microsoft's support department by cjjjer · · Score: 1

      Most of the people who let this happen (auto upgrade to Win10) are the same people who believe that MS is calling them about a virus on their computer.

  5. Why even respond by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why even dignify any of it with a response. I suppose I can see Twitter being a reasonable platform for an agency to post announcements to so that the people who can't be assed to go to their website or read bulletins can get the information, but why bother to read anything someone tweets at them. That's just a waste of time.

    1. Re:Why even respond by afidel · · Score: 2

      It's called customer service, sometimes you have to go to where the customer is.

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      There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
    2. Re:Why even respond by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      Twitter is practically worthless for taking customer feedback. About the only thing you can get is useless praise or (as is the case here) unwanted abuse. If people have problems, direct them to a complain form where they can provide far more meaningful information about the nature of the problem. Take the first example: "Thanks @MTA for making sure we can't buy metrocards AGAIN," which might be useful if someone knew which machine they were talking about. Twitter's character limitations make it pretty useless as any kind of trouble ticket system.

      Worse, you need to have the people reading the tweets manually enter the information, because now people will just rage on Twitter instead of submitting any kind of problem form.

    3. Re:Why even respond by bistromath007 · · Score: 1

      Yelling at brands is something people mostly did for catharsis at first, but since some companies started responding, users have developed the expectation that this is a valid customer service channel. I've actually got very prompt attention this way. It makes sense, because if your good customer service happens in a public space, it's also good PR.

    4. Re:Why even respond by danbert8 · · Score: 2

      I disagree. Twitter when it has customer service is way more awesome than other forms. I've personally had a fantastic customer service experience with Comcast (of all companies) on Twitter after getting pissed as hell using phone, email, and chat support methods. The Twitter support was able to do a private chat, not in real time (i.e. in between meetings and such during the day), and help me get an internet plan I actually wanted vs the shit that got pushed on me by the phone support and the absolutely useless live chat support.

      The key with customer service is that the person working for the company has to have power to do something for the customer. If the Twitter representative is only authorized to say "sorry about that" it's not going to make people happy and be a shitty job (though again, still not nearly as bad as a million other real jobs). If the Twitter person is authorized to help customers, it can be a great system that makes the company better and the customer happier.

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    5. Re:Why even respond by bickerdyke · · Score: 2

      But why should that be connected to a twitter account?

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      bickerdyke
    6. Re:Why even respond by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      Because that's how you contact the people using Twitter? Who like it?

      Bubble much?

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      That is all.
    7. Re:Why even respond by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Certainly, otherwise the customers will go to your competitor.....oh wait...

  6. The Left's anger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NYC

    1. Re:The Left's anger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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      - FatCashewsLoveMe

    2. Re:The Left's anger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


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      The tests we ran on Chris have shown that Chris has the intelligence of an ameba:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      So, technically, he is able to conceive some kind of agenda but it will be silly or impossible to follow on a human scale.

      For example, Chris had an agenda to post anything he felt like on Slashdot which did not work well because it was based on his false beliefs that he had an infinite number of karma points as he wrote here several times.

      Several people here explained to Chris that karma maxed out at some level like 50 or so but Chris kept on insisting that his python script had confirmed that he had millions of karma points!

      Oh well, as I wrote before: "It isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody."

      For the valuable /. users that might already have read the following, please note that there is an important update.

      IMPORTANT UPDATE:
      Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education has invested money to buy Chris a new chair:
      http://www.keynamics.com/image...

      Information about Christopher Dale Reimer and autistic people:

      Autistic people have obsessions about things normal people don't care. For example, one of our autistic patient went haywire when he realized that there was a penny missing in his pocket change.

      To calm him down, one of our educator pretended to have found it on the floor and gave a penny to him.

      The autistic patient condition went even worse because he realized it wasn't the same penny!

      Chris has an obsession with budgeting every penny. He doesn't understand that most people do not budget to the penny and have a flexible amount they allow for miscellaneous items.

      I am Nancy Guerrero and I am Director of Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education. We use Chris' (a.k.a. creimer,cdreimer) picture in our document because he is the hardest case we have ever had to handle:
      http://www.sccoe.org/depts/stu...

      Our artists were inspired by the low carb diet that Christopher follows scrupulously for the small lunch box and by the picture linked below for the rest. I am sure that you will notice the similarities such as the bump on the side of his chest and more:
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      Please be easy on Christopher although, I am aware that some of our staff handling Chris post joke comments here and obvoiusly, the Santa Clara County Office of Education disapprove that behavior vehemently:
      http://ibb.co/mRVSaG

      But it isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody.

      Thank You dear users,
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      Nancy Guerrero
      Director
      Special Education
      Santa Clara County Office of Education

    3. Re: The Left's anger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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      TLDR:
      I am so poor and hungry that I have to spam slashdots 1000 user base just to eat. I only make 10 cents off each shirt so please make sure you buy 2. That way I can afford to eat. Thank you.
      Please buy my shirt because I offer nothing else to society. My website didn't take off. I tried making a nice website, that didn't work. I tried making YouTube videos, but even with my bots, I only get about
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      So far I've made about $10. That's enough for a 1 day supply of cliff bars. At this rate I will go hungry as I can't afford to keep shoveling 5 pounds of meat into my mouth a day. That's why I need you to buy my
      Shirts.
      So please, buy my/someone else's shirt. Again, I make .10 cents off each one, so please buy 2.
      I forgot, I only have 6 YouTube subscribers. But my videos have 1300 views. I'm on my way. Don't worry about the fact that I have 6 likes and 30 dislikes on the video. That doesn't matter. It also doesn't matter that I need at least 1000 subs to get monetized. Please buy my shirt.

  7. If responding to subway complaints is worst job by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    Then what does that say about the millions of people who have to rely on the subway to get to their jobs?

    1. Re:If responding to subway complaints is worst job by geekmux · · Score: 0

      Then what does that say about the millions of people who have to rely on the subway to get to their jobs?

      There's not much more to say about the millions of idiots who insist on living in a city so overcrowded that alternative forms of modern transportation are all but impossible.

  8. agency maybe but City job where you can talk back by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    agency maybe but City job where you can talk back to people. May one where it's very hard to fired and may even be union.

  9. Ditto @SouthernRail in the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't suspect there is much love for this company after the past few years of delays and cancellations.

    Although the parody accounts @BadSouthernRail helps a little.

  10. Try working for U*serve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that is one hell of a thankless job, just add a p for the *... laterz

  11. Worst job? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    Not even close... how about?
    (1) Train toilet cleaner
    (2) Parking enforcer, where people curse you in person, not online
    (3) Tech support rep
    (4) Hoarder house cleaner

    1. Re:Worst job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (5) Responding to APK's posts, again and again until reaching a conclusion

    2. Re:Worst job? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

      Not even close... how about? (1) Train toilet cleaner (2) Parking enforcer, where people curse you in person, not online (3) Tech support rep (4) Hoarder house cleaner

      (5) Soldier

      (6) Hazmat cleanup

      about 1000 more ...

    3. Re:Worst job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The guy that.. dives, occasionally in a sewage treatment plant's tank because it's clogged up in some way.

    4. Re:Worst job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those sound better compensated. Well, (6) anyway, assuming a country that demands certified handlers or licensed groups or whatever it is.

      The work itself being unpleasant if not dangerous, of course.

    5. Re:Worst job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like a combination of jobs 1 and 4!

    6. Re:Worst job? by sexconker · · Score: 2

      I've watched every episode of Dirty Jobs and the people doing the jobs seemed satisfied, happy, and genuinely eager to work.
      It's almost like having a "bad" job has more to do with the people than the work.

    7. Re:Worst job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      REPO Man!

    8. Re:Worst job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      7: Poopsmith

    9. Re:Worst job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (5) VBA Developer

    10. Re:Worst job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once worked in a drugstore liquor department, and my part of closing the store every night was to clean the bathrooms. I like talking about booze, and I hate cleaning toilets, but I came to find that as far as work goes, cleaning toilets beats selling liquor any day. It's not pleasant trying to scrub human feces off of a commode, but when you're finished, it genuinely feels good to know that there is no longer shit caked all over the toilet that you, your co-workers and your customers use. Conversely, wasting half an hour failing to convince somebody's grandma that there is no variety of Kahlua that isn't made with rum only made me feel like I was stuck in some kind of Kafkaesque mind-hell.

      This bottle says it has rum in it. I want one that's just Kahlua.

      Ma'am, I'm sorry, but Kahlua has always been made with rum. It even says so on their website.

      I don't want rum, I just want Kahlua!

      I ended up sending her to Walmart because I'd seen a couple of bottles there with the older label that didn't mention rum.

    11. Re:Worst job? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Stressful jobs are often ones where you feel powerless and ineffectual. If you're doing hazmat cleanup, you go in, start working, and you see a difference. Cleaning up a hoarder house? It's a crap job while you're doing it, but you're accomplishing something you can see. Sit there while the customer complains? That's going to be stressful.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  12. Social-Media outreach is being done wrong... by Alascom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >>"We know they might not mean everything they're saying," said Sarah Meyer, the MTA's customer-service chief. But, "I can't personally change the signaling system."

    This response from the MTA media chief defines what is wrong.

    When an organization like MTA creates a social media team, they need to empower them and integrate them with senior management and decision makers. What good is getting feedback from your customers if the people getting the feedback are not tightly integrated with management to ensure a good feedback loop.

    This isn't customer relations or even PR - its just creating a useless and pointless job. Customers might as well be tweeting to a wall.

    1. Re:Social-Media outreach is being done wrong... by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

      don't worry, google just unvailed their phone call making AI... MS has been experimenting with twitter AIs (if they can just keep them from learning from trolls and becoming nazi's). It won't be long before they become as non human as my companies combination shredder/suggestion box.

    2. Re:Social-Media outreach is being done wrong... by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      I think the idea is to setup a punching dummy that the public can rage at. Once someone expresses their rage on social media they are less likely to do something more that would require an expensive response from the MTA, like actually fixing whatever it is that is broken.

      I know when I was in the military there was an annual workforce survey that was basically a joke. The survey had two purposes. First it served as an outlet for troops that were frustrated about something to think their voice was getting heard. Secondly it gave leadership a source of numbers they could twist however they wanted to justify themselves.

    3. Re:Social-Media outreach is being done wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its worse than tweeting at a wall. Its tweeting at someone who sucks resources that could have been used to help the system perform better so you don't have to complain.

      But I guess that is what you get with government run things. Ineffective PR is far more important than making the thing work.

      Also, please tell me how this job sucks? It would seem like a relief to know you are going to get shit piled on you all day but it doesn't matter because I you are not actually responsible for fixing anything. When people are already pissed its hard to screw up much more. The job is literally to try to say nice things to angry people (and you don't have to care if they change their mind)

      In my job it actually matters what I do. So even though I never get yelled at, I am always in FEAR that I could screw up.

    4. Re:Social-Media outreach is being done wrong... by khchung · · Score: 1

      What good is getting feedback from your customers if the people getting the feedback are not tightly integrated with management to ensure a good feedback loop.

      It is cheaper to hire someone to apologise to the customers, than to actually fix the problems so the customers stop complaining.

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      Oliver.
  13. Me Me Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're New Yorkers, we have thick skulls

  14. The weakest of the worst jobs by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    Every few years one of these stories comes up and this by far is the easiest/tamest of the worst jobs. The worst of these is those that are paid to review questionable content. The highly violent, disturbing content. I remember reading here that these employees often had PTSD from all the content they were reviewing.

  15. LMAO... Millenials. by RedK · · Score: 1

    "Worst job". "Replying to Tweets".

    Sheltered much ?

    Try what these guys do : https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    --
    "Not to mention all the idiots who use words like boxen."
    Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
    1. Re:LMAO... Millenials. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thanks, but since this is a story about being offended by social media I'll just remark that I would like better if you people pasted the title of the video when posting a link, because I don't know where "8-qnZJWnJuI" leads to!

      I'm traumatized by the fear of offending you with this comment. Someone please give me a cookie please!

  16. Modernising the subway? by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

    What plans are there to modernise the New York subway?

    Travelling around the world I see some modern subway systems, either because the were recently implemented or they decided that they needed to modernise, or fall apart.

    New Yorkâ(TM)s subway system feels outdated in many ways and the fact it manages to cope with so many travellers is impressive. The feeling I get of NYCâ(TM)s subway is one where they are so busy trying to prevent it falling apart that they canâ(TM)t even consider modernising, unless a new specific budget and city mandate comes it?

    Does anyone know what is keeping the system in its current state?

    --
    Jumpstart the tartan drive.
    1. Re:Modernising the subway? by bistromath007 · · Score: 2

      That was discussed on slashdot last week I think. Basically: there are no plans to modernize it. There are barely plans to maintain it. The barrier to doing so is that it already exists underneath one of the largest and most stupidly regulated cities in the world, as opposed to being built sometime in the last century under a city where you can actually build things.

    2. Re:Modernising the subway? by Strider- · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does anyone know what is keeping the system in its current state?

      Most likely, it's the typical American aversion to paying taxes. The reality is that you get what you pay for, and you don't get what you don't. It's just that simple. So, to pass balanced budgets and give tax cuts to the rich, the powers that be let the infrastructure deficit grow and grow, and leave the problem to the next generation.

      --
      ...si hoc legere nimium eruditionis habes...
    3. Re:Modernising the subway? by tomhath · · Score: 1

      Most likely, it's the typical American aversion to paying taxes.

      New York has a very high tax rate, including a Metropolitan Commuter Transportation District surcharge. The problem is the cycle of higher taxes cause people to demand higher wages, so the tax dollars aren't available for anything else.

    4. Re:Modernising the subway? by khr · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know what is keeping the system in its current state?

      Politics is a big part of it, who's going to pay for it. While completely inside New York City, it's controlled by New York State, so the money has to come from the state assembly and governor, who have to answer to the rest of the state outside the city, most of whom don't want their tax money going solely to the city.

    5. Re: Modernising the subway? by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      With the number of rich cooperations in the city I wonder whether they would be open to sponsorships? Just imagine in exchange for a nicely updated station Microsoft, as an example, gets to have their name on it for two years?

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    6. Re:Modernising the subway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "rich" as in the top 1% of wage earners pay 40% of all income taxes. Top 5% pays 60% of income taxes. Add to that taxes from capital gains plus paying payroll taxes, gas taxes, sales taxes, etc. Average American pays nearly 30% of their gross income from wages and capital gains to taxes at all levels of government - for most people they pay more in taxes than they pay for their homes. Higher wage earners pay even more. It's a progressive tax system that is not supposed to penalize reinvestment.

      NY metro budget is in the billions. They get at least $8 billion a year in tolls and fares alone. NY city taxes are among the highest in the nation. If they can't maintain their infrastructure, too bad for them.

      Think before you post. You are just spewing party line bullshit. And if you believe people should pay more, why not go ahead - you can pay even more to the tax authorities by choice. I notice that neither the Obama's or Clinton's ever did this, yet had no problem writing off their charitable donations. Why even bother if we believe high earners like those two families should pay more?

    7. Re:Modernising the subway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There can be a geographical argument. Square miles of suburbia are very expensive in terms of infrastructure in fact. Roads (I don't know if they're streets or roads), sewage, water, and so on, and so on. This was all fun when building it 50 or 60 or 30 years ago but now the bill is due, maintenance and repair will cost zillions and the whole burden is on town and municipalities.
      Or so I read on the strongtowns website (warning : this site may eat your time if you like to read a lot, like me. But here is where I read that theory, and I don't see this problem mentioned much often)

      There I read about the notion of e.g. roads being built in your town for "free" (i.e. paid by state or federal, or even private individuals or companies why not), which makes the town grow, grows the economy but the town will have to pay for maintenance for the next 200 years (by which time cars will be hovering over the road, finally)

      I'm not a US guy but I thought reading about that was so interesting (anyhow in Western Europe you might find.. medieval towns, and suburbia and box stores)
      I won't solve US politics tonight. Surely, any democracy is a living thing and so maybe more people need to bother themselves go to the town hall, local government, write letters whatever, else the only people left that are interested in that shit are well-connected lawyers and bankers and hedge fund managers etc.
      They win by default and we're too lazy or tired or busy maybe. That's it, I solved politics afterall.

    8. Re:Modernising the subway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PS : Oh, I didn't know I was answering in a discussion about the NYC subway. But our posts still stand, if you were making a more generic argument.

  17. weehhhhh by bistromath007 · · Score: 1

    If the job description doesn't include the words "pig shit lagoon" or "car accident victim," I'm pretty sure you can fuck off.

  18. Google chat bots to the rescue by tomhath · · Score: 1

    This is a job made for AI...

  19. Re: If responding to subway complaints is worst jo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  20. To stay calm... by khr · · Score: 2

    To stay calm, she said she does yoga, and recently tried a pottery class

    And bicycles to work every day.

    1. Re:To stay calm... by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      To stay calm, she said she does yoga, and recently tried a pottery class

      And bicycles to work every day.

      They're especially good in a couple inches of snow, or a nice downpour.

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  21. nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assistant Crack Whore.

  22. Re: If responding to subway complaints is worst jo by geekmux · · Score: 1

    Ha. New York "overcrowded."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_population_density

    New York City is the most densely populated major city in the United States. And since we're here discussing a US city, here's the actual link that is relevant.

    United_States_cities_by_population_density

    Manhattan graduated from "overcrowded" to "supreme clusterfuck" about 20 years ago.

  23. Re: If responding to subway complaints is worst jo by darkain · · Score: 1

    If you take New York City as a whole, no, because it is extremely large. If you look at what people commonly refer to as "New York" from outside of the city, that being just Manhattan, then yes, it would be ranked 6th on the list you provided. Plus consider that Central Park is ~5% of the land area as well, the rest of the area is actually denser taking this into consideration. So yes, it is quite over-crowded at its center.

  24. legal? by JimSadler · · Score: 0

    If subway cards are cut off and you can not buy new ones that is a clear instance of freedom of speech being restrained and punishment by a government for speaking freely. not only should each person who has suffered such nonsense sue but there could even be criminal charges for those that approved of such a policy. The subways were nasty fifty years ago and they are still nasty. Among other things a restroom should be on each car. Some subway trips are an hour or more and if you ate something wrong the night before you may be in a big brown pickle due to not having fast access to a toilet. The screaming of the wheels when tight turns are made is also a problem that should vanish. The poles you use when no seats are available need at least an hourly cleaning. Who knows how many hands have been on that pole since it was cleaned? How much flu and disease is transmitted by touching those poles. So yes, there are some reasons to complain. How about a back up power generating system so that when the public power goes down the trains keep rolling? So now am I banned from purchasing a subway card? by the way you could not drag me into visiting NY City. It is an abomination.

  25. Easy job by sootman · · Score: 1

    @everyone: You don't like it? Fucking walk.

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  26. It's like they're taunting us... by MiniMike · · Score: 1

    "We do sometimes gather around the monitor to see the meanest thing someone could come up with that day."

    Challenge accepted! Get ready to cry...

  27. Well by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

    It's a good reason to not move somewhere that you have to rely on public transportation. Especially if that locality thinks it's a good idea to pay someone to respond to tweets and give those people no power to fix whatever complaint they're responding to.

    Delays are up 83%? No problem, we'll just respond to tweets instead of fixing whatever caused the delay in the first place.

    If the locality can't maintain their public transport system better than that then it ought to be encouraging residents to buy their own private transport and avoid the public transport system.

    1. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drive in traffic much? My city has doubled in size in the last 30 years but the number of roads hasn't. Going downtown takes less time and is far less stress by public transport than by driving. Add the time saved from not driving each day with the time value of the money saved from not maintaining a vehicle, and you have a whole lot of extra time. Do I need to even mention drinking and driving?

  28. busy responding to tweets instead of cleaning poop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, I guess no one works in the future.

  29. I can think of worst (One up Thread) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can see how copying and pasting canned responses all day could really degrade your humanity...

    Way worse than say the front desk of the veterinarian's office where you need to ask someone who just had to put their pet down to pay the costs for attempting to save the pets life, the final treatment, and carcass handling.

  30. Here's what is actually worse by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Anyone who believes replying to tweets, no matter how mean, even cracks the list of top 1,000 worst jobs has probably never had a job period.

    You know who has it even worse than whoever it is responding to these tweets? Every single person who has to actually USE the NYC subway daily. I visit from time to time, and the whole system is a mix of worn out cars, and the most horrible subway stations I have seen anywhere across the world. I feel really sorry for those poor bastards using any part of it to commute.

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    1. Re: Here's what is actually worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but did you see the new $4 billion station at the WTC? It's marvelous, with just a slightly leaking roof and people falling off the escalators.

  31. Look who is in control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And look who is in control and has been for a long time....

  32. I could totes do that job! by Darkness+Of+Course · · Score: 1

    Nobody knows if you're a dog on the intertubes!

    Or that I only drove through NYC once
    Also, I don't know much about NYC except via novels, tv, web
    Even LESS about MTA

    Dog Nos they would be happier with a real dog
    Since I ain't a dog, I just type as one every now and then.
    Is this a great country or what?

  33. ProTips by easyTree · · Score: 1

    Do:
      * fix the problems which irritate;
    DON'T:
      * try to persuade them shitty service is OK.

  34. responding eh by bobmajdakjr · · Score: 1

    I got blocked by the dallas area rapid transit (dartmedia) twitter account for reporting a fist fight on the train. So I guess if nyc actually is responding that is a good thing.

    1. Re:responding eh by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Nobody likes a tattle tail.
      j/k

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  35. Even Worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even worse jobs: the ones that effectively require you to ride the NYC subway system.

  36. "WildThing" vs. you domesticated drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "WildThing" https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... (join us, won't you?) LOL!

    * I've dusted the hell out of you here & am EXPOSING it elsewhere (see link above).

    Thought you MIGHT like exposure in the limelight, but, then again?

    Germs like YOU simply WITHER in sunlight - come, wither some more, lol!!!

    APK

    P.S.=> For YOUR listening pleasure (lol, not) & "dramatic effects"? THIS is ME (vs. YOU 'domesticated do-nothing ZERO "ne'er-do-well" SoyBOY TROLLS' like you) WildThing https://www.youtube.com/watch?... ... apk