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Iran Recruits Online Talent For Quick Cyber Strikes (axios.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: Iran recruits heavily from online security forums to staff suddenly-launched hacking campaigns, according to new research by Recorded Future. The report comes a day after security experts expressed fears Iran may retaliate against the United States for withdrawing from the Iran nuclear deal. As a Recorded Future official said yesterday -- albeit without the detail of the report -- if emergency hiring leads Tehran to hire amateurs, they may be less amenable to government control.
Recorded Future based its conclusions on discussions with a well-placed source in the Iranian hacker community and analysis of Iranian security forums. Iran operates a tiered system for cyber attacks, where government employees choose targets and contract private firms, including universities acting as contractors, to do the dirty work.
Recorded Future based its conclusions on discussions with a well-placed source in the Iranian hacker community and analysis of Iranian security forums. Iran operates a tiered system for cyber attacks, where government employees choose targets and contract private firms, including universities acting as contractors, to do the dirty work.
This will be a great excuse to make first strike against Iran, which is what Israel wants. Bad move on Iran's part. They should just count U.S. out and deal with the rest of the World. The U.S. is alienating itself greatly already anyways.
Is that a roll of dimes in your pocket or are you happy to see me?
defense is a good offence, blah
the best offence is a good defence.
I can't begin to imagine what intelligent person would be willing to risk the level of retribution and prosecution after getting caught in the middle of a internet warfare.
Greed is the root of all evil.
John Stalvern waited. The lights above him blinked and sparked out of the air. There were demons in the base. He didn’t see them, but had expected them now for years. His warnings to Cernel Joson were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.
John was a space marine for fourteen years. When he was young he watched the spaceships and he said to dad “I want to be on the ships daddy.”
Dad said “No! You will BE KILL BY DEMONS”
There was a time when he believed him. Then as he got oldered he stopped. But now in the space station base of the UAC he knew there were demons.
“This is Joson” the radio crackered. “You must fight the demons!”
So John gotted his palsma rifle and blew up the wall.
“HE GOING TO KILL US” said the demons
“I will shoot at him” said the cyberdemon and he fired the rocket missiles. John plasmaed at him and tried to blew him up. But then the ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to kill.
“No! I must kill the demons” he shouted
The radio said “No, John. You are the demons”
And then John was a zombie.
The U.S. is alienating itself greatly already anyways.
No, get it straight: The current POTUS and the people he's appointing to cabinet positions are alienating the rest of the world, our allies included. He seems to think that the U.S. can stand alone in the world and survive. He, of course, is completely wrong.
Am I the only one who feels like a certain orange-haired jackass with Tourette's Syndrome is trying to gear us up for open war against Iran?
so is every country. Expect to see lots of these stories in the coming months. You're being prepped for war. They did the same thing leading up to Iraq and we fell for it then. Don't fall for it this time. Show up at your primaries and your Mid terms if you don't want to blow yet another $1 trillion dollars on a pointless war.
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Trump is strong like bull. America will be great again, liberal. Just another Obama mistake being corrected by President.
He, of course, is completely wrong.
That is opinion, not fact. I don't agree that this move is wrong, which is my opinion.
Nearly Half of the voters in the country agree with me. Trump ran on this action, said he was going to do this during the campaign. A lot of folks thought this idea was a good one.
So, we don't know who's wrong here. We won't know that until history has a chance to judge the action.
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You mean a lot of people who don't know a goddamn thing about the situation and have exactly zero experience with anything involved with it, because that seems to be the reality here.
Pulling out of the deal, otherwise known as breaking the agreement we signed, has already cost Boeing $30 billion in contract with Iranian airlines. How much has it cost other American companies?
And for what? There is still no proof Iran was breaking the terms. And then the asshole POTUS tries to bully German companies into closing up shop in Iran. Guess what, Trump took the US out of the agreement, he doesn't get to dictate what the remaining parties do.
This will be a great excuse to make first strike against Iran, which is what Israel wants. Bad move on Iran's part. They should just count U.S. out and deal with the rest of the World. The U.S. is alienating itself greatly already anyways.
You think cyber-attacks make a good excuse for a first strike? Not even Trump can get away with that one.
And no one is going to care if Iran starts hacking the US, the international community will probably just consider if fair play considering the stunt Trump just pulled.
How a cyber-war works out for Iran is another question, the US certainly has better hackers but it also has way more targets. And winning a cyber-war might not help Iran once the clown brigade has left the White House.
I stole this Sig
Does anonymous coward have any great insight to the situation that the rest of populace doesn't know?
Now that we broke the lease, all bets are off. This is what happens when you cut congress out of the deal. Live by the executive, die by the executive
I wanna break my mortgage, and sanction the bank for financing the drug cartels and middle east destabilization. And I'm seizing the deed to my property as part of civil forfeiture.
No, just more JIDF shilling tactics
Here's how they do it, but warning, site is in French, and you will have to turn on Google translate.
No. Some people actually side with our President and support him.
Yup, dumfucks abound everywhere, especially in the United States these days.
We still think that NAT and a virusscanner is just the thing to make windows "safe" to use on teh intarwebz. Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. And now we do the same thing to the power of some large exponent by deploying lots of "IoT" crap that really is about as secure and securable as windows was twenty years ago. Which still is but a small step down from what it is today, but I digress.
So apparently we only start to slowly learn when someone hoists us on our own petard, painfully, publically, repeatedly. You know, a "net war". Thus: Probably about time we had one.
Maybe then the mindless "haxx0rz did it!" and other bullshit from the likes of bleepingcomputer and axios will start to dry up and we can move on to discussing computer security like adults. But maybe we need a real war for that, with the "computer security" s'kiddies as cannon fodder.
...that Obama's deal was with Obama alone. Iranians can read US Constitution and watch US news. They knew no Senate ratification = no treaty = it isn't worth squat. They watched political developments in this country and knew in November 2016 Obama's deal was over sooner than later. If they act surprised or taken aback, well that is indeed an act or the Iranians haven't been paying attention for past couple years.
Why then did the Iranians sign up at all? Probably the literal pallets of unmarked bills (among many other assets) that now fund Iranian (mis)adventures in Syria and Yemen. They got a lot of checks cashed before this thing ended.
Incidentally the legal mechanics that let Trump scuttle this also are why Paris carbon deal is DOA. USA just getting ahead of the curve there anyways; Europeans got the third world onboard with Paris with collective bribe of ~$100 billion a year for developing world to 'mitigate' climate change. I'm not making that up. Its getting to be put up or shutup time on that front; the African contingent is already complaining about when-how the checks start showing up - and we all know they never will. Obama was a clown in his deals both in mechanics of the deals and leaving them to hang in administrative limbo for next President. Good riddance Lightworker.
He seems to think that the U.S. can stand alone in the world and survive. He, of course, is completely wrong.
Oh, how wrong you are!
The rest of the world couldn't even feed itself if the US closed itself off. They'd destroy themselves in war in a heartbeat.
Yeh, and while you're distracted Mueller just found a Russian Oligarch was paying Trump's outstanding Cohen bills. Told you it was money laundering. (Btw A retainer fee is a fee to a lawyer, not a fee to a third party paid via a lawyer. Rudi is a gullible idiot if he didn't understand that one).
Have you bought the family freindly Goat C shirt?
"Iran recruits heavily from online security forums to staff suddenly-launched hacking campaigns, according to new research by Recorded Future."
Why is it hacking is only ever done by just whoever is Americas current best enemy?
For backing out of a "Treaty" that wasn't ratified by Congress, thus making it not a "Treaty". "I have a pen and a phone [and am too stupid to work with others]" Obama said.
Not to mention Iran didn't even sign it
So Trump pulled out of a "Treaty" that only Obama signed. And I bet you are so stupid this is news to you.
he doesn't get to dictate what the remaining parties do.
Sure, but that does mean that European countries that continue to deal with Iran will be sanctioned. They get to choose. Iran or the US.
Member when we tried to warn you of the excesses of ruling with 'a pen and a phone'... and you called us racist?
Member when the word 'treason' was being casually thrown around in response to Senators acting in their lawful authority by (correctly) reminding the Iranians that the agreement as written would not be binding as far as the US was concerned? I member: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/iran-letter-165000-sign-petition-prosecute-gop-senators/story?id=29564985
One hopes that when next time Democrats are in power, they take a more reasoned view to executive power having witnessed what how far the Overton window was moved by Obama and what it looks like when in the hands of someone you aren't fond of.
The current POTUS and the people he's appointing to cabinet positions are alienating the rest of the world, our allies included
Except, that doesn't seem to be the case. All our allies seem to be happy with Trump leadership. South Korea is tickled pink with him. Japan seems to be pleased with the way things are working out. Nothing shaking in the Nato court, seems pretty normal there. For better or worse, depending on your point of view, Israel is very happy with Trump.
Mexico is unhappy, but they are always unhappy when the gravy train from the U.S. is threatened. Iran has been unhappy for the last 40 years, nothing new there. Russia and US relation are pretty normal, despite was alarmist are saying. China, we are arguing about trade with them, like we have been for the past 2 decades, nothing new there.
So the world seems to be ticking right along, situation normal.
I don't mind if you bitch about Trump, hell it seems to be a sport now. But if you are going to bitch, bitch abut something that is real and not something that you made up after you read some bullshit blog.
Here are some examples. His attempts to increase coal production. Some of the EPA appointees that seem to be a problem. Or his increased spending in the military. What happened to more is with less?
Bitch away but lets stick to facts.
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That would depend on what kind of attack they engage in.
Deface a few websites or dump databases? Nope.
Cause a major utility system to go down and/or someone to die... oh yes.
Without a western deal. Iran has to deal with Russian again, like before the deal. Thats how they started their nuclear program in the first place. With Russian help.
They'll have to make deals with Putin again.
Trump will do nothing. That's the whole point. He just wanted to scupper the deal, not invade, not renegotiate, just scupper it.
Ukraine lethal weapons deal was blocked in the GOP. Syria was handed to Russia, and now Iran is next.
Slashdot's notwithstanding, argued by Eric Else up their asses includes wh3re you WASTE OF BITS AND charnel house. The project somewhere
our military is the largest in the world bar none. We're the only country with a real, modern navy. Only China comes close and they can't feed their people without our granaries. We can literally just starve them out. This is precisely why the people in America can't afford to become belligerent warmongers. We have the potential to drag all of civilization back to the dark ages... or do the opposite and usher in a Star Trek style utopia. When you go to the polls in America that's the choice you're making.
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as we inch closer and closer to another war for Israel.
Congratulations on making broad predictions based on an idiotic scenario with no basis in reality. Would you like your own show on Foxnews?
Excuse me, WHO signed what agreement? What binding agreement was set with Iran?
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
How white man. Be you pretend Native or pretend Komrade?
Making .10 cents off each shirt you sell. Keep fighting the good fight you fat fucking asshole. I hope your account gets banned.
It ticks me off that I keep hearing arguments like this whose predictions regarding the POTUS in the last 2 years have been *completely* wrong. If you are an exception to that pattern I would like to know based on what track record of yours should we take your claim at its value?
But you don't understand. When Obama did that it was a (good/horriable) thing but when Trump does that it is a (horriable/good) thing.
If you are a staunch democrat pick the first option, if you are a staunch republican pick the second option. Sadly this is how most American politics has become.
Time to offend someone
How long did that Benghazi case go on for? It took you guys, what 4 years, and you still couldn't find shit?
Yet trump has mountains of evidence against him. Give it time snowflake.
Meanwhile I just saw this:AT&T paid $200,000 to Trumpâ(TM)s attorney, Michael Cohen, and the payments stop right after Trumpâ(TM)s FCC pick Ajit Pai repealed net neutrality.
You sold out your country to vote for a man who only cares about 1 thing. Himself. But again, let's keep blaming Obama for moving the Overton window, LOL, you are a fucking retard.
I want Iran, Russia, China and the EU to spank the US on this one.
They can form an alliance to further make the Yanks irrelevant on the world stage.
America not only wants to go back, it wants to be the old Soviet Union, complete with Iron Curtain.
Let 'em, I say. Colour them invisible, with liberty and justice for all [within their borders].
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Anyway, you know those tech jobs Americans keep kicking about?
Here's an opportunity for those bitches, right?
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
LOL thats just your opinion and since you were stupid enough to vote for Trump your opinion is subject to scrutiny more likely just dismissed as delusional LOL Trump is an idiot.
Bullshit. He was advised by other signatories to NOT to back out of it, and by the way how does it make the U.S. look to the rest of the world when we can't be bothered AS A COUNTRY to stand by our agreements regardless of having a narcissist with Tourette's in the Whitehouse? All he's doing is peeing all over everything he can so it stinks like he does so he can satisfy his ego and 'make his mark on history', which by the way will be as the WORST POTUS in our history -- assuming there's even a country left when he's finally run out of Washington on a rail.
All our allies seem to be happy with Trump leadership.
- Citation needed
You are saying that Trump undid what Obama did. This is wrong. The unwinding of the deal puts America in a far worse position than we started in.
When the Iranians seized the American embassy in 1979, the US seized Iranian financial assets in America. There was never any question that the money belonged to Iran, and would be returned someday when relations improved. By 2017, these assets were worth $50B, and the money was returned to Iran as part of the nuke deal. Getting that money back was a major incentive for Iran to sign the deal.
So, now that America has reneged, is Iran going to send the money back? Absolutely not.
Trump has FAR less leverage for negotiating than Obama did. In addition to the money issue, the other signatories (China, Russia, Germany, Britain, France) are not reneging, and will not reimpose sanctions. So trade deals that could have gone to America will go elsewhere. Iranian Airlines will buy from Airbus, not Boeing, etc.
So even if you think Obama's deal was terrible, reneging on it, and having NO AGREEMENT and NO LEVERAGE, just makes the situation even worse.
South Korea President Says Trump Deserves Nobel Peace Prize.
It's not 'the US' , it's more the three psychos: US/Israel/Saudi Arabia, threatening to blow up the whole place unless everyone does as they say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
AS A COUNTRY. The US didn't agree to anything. Obama signed a check his butt couldn't cash.
And North Korea says he had nothing to do with the peace initiative.
Wrong again, but I see what you are grousing about. You are making noises about that silly Iran "agreement" that Obama made. Well you should probably do a little research before getting worked up. Iran never signed that "agreement." In fact, there was no "agreement." It was just Obama trying to be a hero and do a end run around Congress. The US never signed it ether. It was a non binding agreement, it was legally, literally worth less than the paper it was printed on.
A little advice. You seem to be really smart sometimes but you let your TDS blind you. You should do a little more research with your eyes completely opened. Do your research a little more like this. Don't look at a issue with a small narrow time frame. Look at the whole picture and spread it over several years. Then actually take the time to read up on a subject.
There, I hope this helps.
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South Korea is tickled pink with him.
They should be. Trump's policies in Korea have been very successful. He has cooperated diplomatically with South Korea, brushed assigned the normal American intransigence, and agreed to engage direcly with North Korea, in opposition to the ossified American bureaucracy.
The lessons here are clear:
1. Cooperate with your allies.
2. Be willing to talk to your enemies.
The problem with Iran is that he is doing the exact opposite. No cooperation with the other signatories. No diplomatic alternatives on the table.
Israel is very happy with Trump.
Netanyahu is happy, but reneging on the Iran deal is not in Israel's long term interests. Nor is politicizing Israeli-American relations. American support for Israel is declining, especially with young people and Democratic voters.
You got something to say; say it.
I'm not going to YouTube for you.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
The problem with Iran is that he is doing the exact opposite. No cooperation with the other signatories. No diplomatic alternatives on the table.
No, he isn't. He is doing the exact same thing with Iran that he did with N.K. Just no body is taking time to actually look. Trump and Kim Un, started shouting at each other, threatening to blow each other up, then they all sat down at the table once they got through shouting at each other. Nothing different here.
Hell, this has been the status quo for the last 60 years. A lot of yelling and bolstering, then every one sits down and talks. Same thing is going on here but now it will be done right, hopefully. We will get a signed treaty that can be enforced with U.N. backing.
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. . . like last week's garbage.
Forecast for Tehran: Today 70 degrees and sunny. Tomorrow 5000 degrees with a UV warning.
Alt take: while this puts the US in a worse position than before, it's also the case that any result of negotiations from this standpoint may be more durable due to not just less stick, but also less carrot. As Cheeto said, the previous agreement was severely lopsided: Iran wanted a bunch of their cash and assets back, so they accepted a worse deal than without it.
Obama went in with all the cards he could play. I don't know how Cheeto is going to play it out, but the way it's currently going would also fit an attempt to go from having a semi-coercive deal into a proper one. Iran having had a taste of lessened tensions and so forth, a bit of the old cultural interchange and suchlike, in the recent years.
I sure hope that's how it turns out. The meeting between the Koreas, and now this, suggests there's finally a solution to the old Axis of Evil: a credible nuclear weapons program, bartered for deescalation & a way forward for civilian nuclear energy.
I dunno man, I think Russia wants the old USSR back. Wasn't the Cold War a money-making machine for the 40 years it lasted?
As for letting Iran, Russia, China and the EU allegedly "lead" the world.. I honestly think they'd lead it right into war. Again.
The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
American support for Israel is declining, especially with young people and Democratic voters
Sorry, I didn't see this comment before I posted.
Israel's star among the common American has been declining for the last 20 years. I personally wouldn't mind seeing it taken down a couple more notches. Just my personal option but I would rather see the US align more with Jordan, for nothing more than I like their King.
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Iran didn't sign the deal.
Your sig is wrong.
Sorry but you are plain wrong. Get out more.
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USA and Israel have been going with this false narrative for the last 30 years. Just look at the history of the three, you'll see that the two that are making accusations are the ones who have been war-mongering the whole time.
Who knows, you could have had something interesting to say but I stopped reading at the first "Cheeto".
they were trying to do it in the 50s too when we overthrew their democratically elected government and put the Shah in. There are pictures from the 50s of girls in skirts dancing. If we'd just stop sticking our noses where they don't belong maybe they could make some progress.
And in case you hadn't noticed the United States is being run by a bunch of bat-shit insane religious zealots. Mike Pence is a True Believer. And we just moved our embassy in Israel to Jerusalem not to promote peace but to appease a bunch of ultra right wing religious zealots who are convinced that once the Jews take Jerusalem back the Apocalypse will come and sweep them all to heaven.
All the US administrations up to Obama pretty much screwed with Iran every chance they got largely for the same nationalistic, religious and empire building reasons. Obama's the first one to try and defuse the situation and bring them into secularism. Trump & Co just fucked that all up and did it on purpose. They're not stupid people. They're bad people. Motivated by greed, hate and religious fervor.
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The US seized some Iranian assets in the US.
Iran seized all US assets in Iran.
The Iranian assets in the US were worth far less than the US assets in Iran.
Has Iran paid the US back for those seizures? Or the reparations for the attack on the US diplomats or support for terrorism against the US?
The Cold War was a money-loser for the people of the Soviet Union.
The US and its allies sanctioned USSR and only the elite had wealth.
The introduction of democracy and capitalism and aging party-liners lead to nationalistic policies by the satellite countries.
The globe is trending toward a world war as nationalism and isolationism combine to fight capitalism.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
No, he isn't. He is doing the exact same thing with Iran that he did with N.K.
I am grateful that someone noticed. 50 years of the same North Korea strategy being repeated and never working. Trump tried something different and it worked. Time to attempt a repeat.
If any other president was doing this there would be applause, accolades, and a Nobel Prize already engraved and waiting.
Slashdot is all about science until a successful experimental result does not fit within west coast politics.
I mean they're so nice.
And over half voted NOT to let the crazy fu@ker make America the new Axis!!
Oh, yes, let's have America cut our market to China and...well China.
That will work SOOOOOO well!
Obama did it to deal with "Our overarching purpose is to make sure obama is a one term president"
No one did that to ALL THREE BRANCHES TRUMP chump.
Iran wants Israel to strike them. This was Saddam's strategy in the first Gulf war where they sent SCUDs at Tel Aviv, hoping to get Israel to attack back, in hopes of rallying every Muslim in the Middle East into a mega-jihad.
Israel knows the US isn't going to go in an all-out theater against Iran. Iran is a big, well defended country, with a national identity that is extremely strong. Everyone remembers the Iran-Iraq war, where Iranian children ran under tanks and blew themselves up, driving to a stalemate the third biggest and best army in the world, even without any generals (the IRG killed all the Shah's generals when they seized power, so they had zero military leadership, which is why Saddam invaded.)
Nobody is stupid enough to engage Iran in an all-out war. Not Bush, not Obama, not Trump.
And yet, there he is, sitting in the Oval Office, by the design of our system of representative democracy.
My point here was that a LOT of people don't agree that Trump is unfit for the presidency and a lot of folks support what he's doing. I'm saying that it's not a given that Trump is "completely wrong" and a bunch of people think the same way. You do know that he's got a job approval rating of nearly 44% right? In some polls he's over 50%. A lot of folks STILL think he's doing well...
I think the partisans who keep trying to bad mouth Trump's EVERY move, regardless of what it is, need to be mindful that a lot of people still support him, and the reason for this is partially because of such unfair and ridiculous nonsense as you just posted... Why not go after him on policy instead of breaking out the Nazi reference? Because, you got nothing else.. ;)
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Quite to the contrary. The terrorist regime must continue to abide by the deal or they get embargoed by the europeans. We have leverage and they're still pinched.
"Couldn't find shit"?
Where do you think the discovery of Hillary's illegal email server came from? The email server that cost her the Presidency?
I'd say the Benghazi investigation paid off in spades for the Republicans.
So even if you think Obama's deal was terrible, reneging on it, and having NO AGREEMENT and NO LEVERAGE, just makes the situation even worse.
The other signatories (China, Russia, Germany, Britain, France) are not reneging, so there is *still an agreement*.
It's just that America isn't a part of it, and we're NOW we're free to oppose Iran's other non-nuclear ambitions, like supporting terrorism.
I play the Godwin's Law card.
You lose. Hand over your M&Ms.
Not even for a plethora?
He hasn't sat down with Kim yet. Let's not count that chicken before it's hatched.
Do you believe you will convince anyone of your viewpoints by insulting them? Are you actually interested in doing the right thing, or is this just an excuse for you to feel superior to your peers?
Really tired of the political trolling masquerading as pseudo intellectualism.
How white man.
Very, Very white
Be you pretend Native or pretend Komrade?
How about a Communist Native American?
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Iran is a give away to the Evangelicals. See here. He wins either way. He doesn't really care about the economic damage and a war would be good for his presidency (just like Iraq was, ultimately, good for the Bush presidency. Seriously, check his poll numbers during and after).
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But not before reading that there was more than one! Got ya, neener-neener.
Why would you want Israel taken down a few notches, it is one of the few middle eastern countries with a democracy where freedom of religion is protected and its people are free to practice the religion they choose. It should be no surprise that the US supports democracies like itself around the world.
He'll never see your comment either. But maybe he'll quote it and reply to it anyway :-)
Japan is very unhappy with Trump. He pulled out of TTP, then tried to bully them into a shitty deal for beef and cars, and now wants back in to TTP.
Russia is quite pleased with Trump, he is exactly what they wanted.
Europe has largely given up on the guy, except for the UK that desperately needs a trade deal in a year or two.
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it is one of the few middle eastern countries with a democracy
... except for the millions of people in the occupied territories who have no vote. They should be offered either citizenship or independence. Israel offers them neither.
where freedom of religion is protected
... except that the force of law is used to impose Jewish religious practices on non-Jews, including laws on the observance of the sabbath.
and its people are free to practice the religion they choose.
... unless they choose the wrong religion. For instance a Jewish Israeli can marry a non-Israeli, and their spouse will be granted residency in Israel and a pathway to citizenship. Non-Jewish citizens have no such right.
Wrong. There are no signed documents. This socalled deal is nothing but a set of guidelines. There is no contract, no signature, no penalties, nothing but a set of guidelines.
Trump is right for calling this one
The Soviet elite (and our own GDR elite) had about as much wealth as somebody from upper middle class in a first world country. They only were wealthy compared to normal people.
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A lot of folks thought this idea was a good one.
Why should complicated foreign diplomacy matters be decided by popular vote? This just seems absurd to me.
We won't know that until history has a chance to judge the action.
I think this is the point. For some things, we want to have more control in the outcome than just rolling the dice
All our allies seem to be happy with Trump leadership.
What fucking planet are you on? I'm not American, your primary allies are Canada, UK, Australia and New Zealand and we all hate you (I say we because my family and friends are all a mix of all of those places, and every single person I know is absolutely disgusted with Trump.
The UK had to cancel a state visit by Trump because the protests were going to be too disruptive. Wake up, the alliance is suffering and we will all suffer as a result.
Bitch away but lets stick to facts.
Indeed...
It's the only way to be sure.
On one hand you decry foreign policy by popular vote, but on the other you want more control...
Unfortunately, you don't get either of your wishes. Candidates for president run on (at least in part) how they will deal with the rest of the world. It's so important that we had one whole debate on the subject last time. On your second point, you want more control? And how do you propose you get that? By the only poll that matters, the vote count.
You may not agree with Trump, and that's fine, but he's not out there just randomly rolling dice. He's actually following the principles he articulated during the campaign for the most part and a lot of folks like what he's doing. So if you want to engage in an honest debate about the pros and cons of the principles behind what he's doing, have at it. However, if you insist on mischaracterizing what he's doing as random and haphazard you are not being honest about it.
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Nope, Japan and US relations seem to be as strong as ever. There where some year old articles about rocky relationships at the start of Trumps presidency, but now things seem be all stable. Nothing to report there. So what if he wants back in the TTP? Maybe he now sees pulling out as a mistake and wants to correct it? If that is true then it is a good thing The means he can see he made a mistake and is willing to correct it.
Please don't trot out that old Russian and the election. Two years in and not one shred of real evidence that links Trump to anything. It has almost become a meme it is so full of crap.
Europe had the same issues as Japan. Grumbling when he first took office. But now a year in everything is pretty much the same as always. Nothing new to report here.
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Same planet as you but with out the blinders. Just because a small group of your friends and family hate some one, doesn't mean the rest of the world does. In fact I fail to see how the personal option of your friends and family, or even you, really matter in the world stage. Quite frankly, they don't.
I personally don't like Justin Trudeau, but I'm not foolish enough to think that my option of him matters one bit.
There have been canceled state visits before and in the long run they really haven't mattered. So, no the alliance isn't suffering and we are doing just fine. There was some grumblings when Trump first took office because he was going to make them pay their fair share. I really don't know what became of that but as of today, no alliance members have left. I can't seem to find where any have even talked of leaving the alliance. So, no the alliance isn't suffering in any great detail.
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He'll never see your comment either. But maybe he'll quote it and reply to it anyway :-)
Why yes, not that it is anyone of anyone's business, but sometimes I do go below my +2 threshold. I get lots of mod points and I do use them responsibility, which includes reading all posts in a thread. An some posters, such as Rick Schumann and AmiMoJo I have in my profile get bonus points so I will see what they have to say.
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Anybody remember when Carter went to North Korea to negotiate a deal? That was direct engagement, and it got better results than Trump's shown so far.
I'm not calling Trump's policies successful unless he does actually get a significantly better deal, and it holds over a decade.
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I remember trying to get offshore work in India when my job was being replaced by offshore programmers from India. It turned out that no such work was available in India. They keep using that word globalization... but I don't think it doesn't really mean globalization.
The U.S. is alienating itself greatly already anyways.
No, get it straight: The current POTUS and the people he's appointing to cabinet positions are alienating the rest of the world, our allies included. He seems to think that the U.S. can stand alone in the world and survive. He, of course, is completely wrong.
That was the last POTUS. Not that our news said much, NBC did - https://www.nbcnews.com/slides...
He was THE worst ever. Unless you think racial division, muslims invading Europe, screwing our allies around the world and doing everything he could to free terrorists and screw the American people was good.
You are saying that Trump undid what Obama did. This is wrong. The unwinding of the deal puts America in a far worse position than we started in.
When the Iranians seized the American embassy in 1979, the US seized Iranian financial assets in America. There was never any question that the money belonged to Iran, and would be returned someday when relations improved. By 2017, these assets were worth $50B, and the money was returned to Iran as part of the nuke deal. Getting that money back was a major incentive for Iran to sign the deal.
So, now that America has reneged, is Iran going to send the money back? Absolutely not.
Trump has FAR less leverage for negotiating than Obama did. In addition to the money issue, the other signatories (China, Russia, Germany, Britain, France) are not reneging, and will not reimpose sanctions. So trade deals that could have gone to America will go elsewhere. Iranian Airlines will buy from Airbus, not Boeing, etc.
So even if you think Obama's deal was terrible, reneging on it, and having NO AGREEMENT and NO LEVERAGE, just makes the situation even worse.
Foxnews is the damn problem is so is Rush Limbaugh and Shawn Hannity on rightwing radio. You may dismiss that as fringe but tens of millions WATCH IT and BELIEVE it and recite the points in their Trump messiah. Russian intelligence on social media too quote the falsehoods of Obama paying Iran to pay them off etc.
This is quite dangerous ... not the deal or lack of but the misinfornation and a strong urge to get these damn liberals to squirm while sabatoging your own country's interests to help Russia.
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It is not that. Kim could say to Trump well since you do not honor your agreements how do I know if the next American President will dishonor the agreement you want to sign?
You Americans have shown you do not follow your word. How do you have any credibility?
As an American this angers me GREATLY and was a terrible move! We lost face and shows we need a professional as president and future presidents need to honor past presidents and stop thinking of themselves and the next 4 years only!
Iran has every right to scream DEATH TO AMERICA and develop nuclear weapons and so does Syria and Saudia Arabia. If World War 3 developers in 15 years I blame Trump and his stupid voters who want to make liberals squirm and view this as a fucking football game of teams and loyality rather than what is right for the people.
George Washington was right with not wanting and even wanting to ban political parties. They are the most toxic.
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Yes because sending insulting Tweets at 4am is so presidential and professional deserving a peace prize. They sure work and respect Trump's intelligence and Hubris as a result.
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South Korea broke the ice during the olympics. Not Trump. He was not even invited to the talks!
Also why makes you think Kim won't back out of the agreement with the US? After all Trump showed the US will lie and won't back their word with Iran. How does Kim know a future president won't back out of the deal? America has no integrity as it does not value its commitments or words. Thanks Trump.
All Trump does is send insulting low IQ tweets at 4am calling him rocket man. He is not qualified to be President nor do the tweets help the US.
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Japan is very unhappy with Trump. He pulled out of TTP, then tried to bully them into a shitty deal for beef and cars, and now wants back in to TTP.
Russia is quite pleased with Trump, he is exactly what they wanted.
Europe has largely given up on the guy, except for the UK that desperately needs a trade deal in a year or two.
Right but now since your savior Trump backed out of the TTP which was meant to be a hold on China's strength it means the next president will sign another agreement favoring the China instead of the US/Japan/South Korea as China will have even more leverage in 4 years.
Thanks Trump.
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Trump's election has bolstered Abe's position that Japan should militarize and get rid of the self defense clause from its constitution. Like Merkel, he and many others consider Trump and the US in general to be unreliable.
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On one hand you decry foreign policy by popular vote, but on the other you want more control...
Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
Unfortunately, you don't get either of your wishes.
I do because I don't live in the US, and our politicians and slightly less retarded than yours.
On your second point, you want more control? And how do you propose you get that?
How we achieved it already and how the US could improve their system to get what we have is to implement and politically independent electoral body responsible for ensuring that elections are held in a fair manner. I'm not completely familiar with your system but two things that stand out as completely obvious flaws in the US system are the power for a political party to set electoral boundaries, also known Gerrymandering. This is tin-pot dictatorship tactics. The other is prohibiting felons from voting which encourages a the police to be used as political tool to target certain groups. This in itself wouldn't be so bad if the US didn't have the highest incarceration rate in the developed world. The number of people affected is more than twice the difference of the popular vote. That is corrupt.
By the only poll that matters, the vote count.
Your electoral system is broken, therefore any result is unreliable.
Same planet as you but with out the blinders. Just because a small group of your friends and family hate some one, doesn't mean the rest of the world does.
Yet you've come to your conclusion how? So, no the alliance isn't suffering and we are doing just fine. There was some grumblings when Trump first took office because he was going to make them pay their fair share.
I'm assuming you're referring to the time when Trump was so dumb that he though NATO members paid subscription fees? You know he fucked up big time on that right because there's no such thing?
I really don't know what became of that but as of today, no alliance members have left. I can't seem to find where any have even talked of leaving the alliance. So, no the alliance isn't suffering in any great detail.
This isn't Star Wars. That not how foreign diplomacy works (Although Captain Cheeseburger probably thinks the same way as you)
Hi, welcome to the thread. Sorry but you are late to it and this will probably be my last post on this issue. There are other threads to read and spread my wisdom in .
Sorry, but you are also incorrect. There is no doubt that Moon, the South Korean president, did have a lot to do with it. But Moon also credits most of the work to Trump and his actions. Pretty sure that is why Moon recommended Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.
I believe that I've already covered the Iran issue and why its not worth the paper it's printed on else where. I see no reason to rehash it here.
Trump is apparently more than qualified to be president since he is. I know that sets a a lot of you progressives off having to admit that he is your president. That is if you are a U.S. citizen. But that simply is the case.
As for his tweets, yes I was also concerned about them, but this time they seemed to have the desired affect. It was probably his tweets and hard line stance on N.K. that got them to the table. He did a real good job there too.
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Well how do I know that your small group of friends and family are not important enough to dictate how the rest of the world feels. Well logic and deductive reason. It is safe to assume that since you are posting on slashdot your option isn't important enough to affect world events, or you would be doing something else. There for you are not important enough to affect world events. With this being true it is very doubtful that any of your friends or family are important enough to affect world events. So, I can safely assume that your friends and family options only represent themselves and not some large group of followers. Of course I could be wrong, but odds are that I'm not.
I listened to Trumps speeches and I heard the NATO comments. He never referred to them as "subscriptions." What he was talking about was the fact that by treaty NATO members are required to spend a certain percentage of their GDP on defense. I believe that is 2%. Some member nations where not meeting that requirement. That is all that was about.
As I've stated, and it is true, no member states have left the alliance because this issue. I was actually pretty much a none event too. Please do better research in the future.
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i did some read on US-Japan relations today. Just do a google search on us japan relations. Looks like there was some concern when Trump took office. That is nothing new. There is always concern when a new president takes over. But as of 2018 on almost every front Japan / US relations are doing just fine. I actually can only find a few articles where there are issues, most of them are months old. So, Japan US relations are actually doing better under Trump.
As for the position that Japan should militarize, that is always happened when a new president takes off. I remember there was some talk of Japan nuclearizing when Reagan took office. Nothing ever come of that so its safe to assume that nothing will come of this ether.
You shouldn't use Merkel as an example. It only hurts your cause. She is the reason that Europe is in the trouble that it is in. The policies her and her government put forth lead to Britain leaving the European Union. A quick search shows at least eight more countries thinking of leaving the EU. Including France, Italy, and Sweden.
So with being said, as for the status of the alliance. After some checking I still can't find any real articles or evidence that say any one doesn't consider the US a reliable partner. Israel, Japan, England, France, Germany, Italy, Saudi Arabia. All of them are perfectly fine as of 2018 with the status of Trumps leadership.
So again, lets stick to facts and not speculation.
Well this has been fun but time to move on.
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Well lets see. The summit with Trump and North Korea is going to be happening in Singapore on June 12th. So, what we can walk away with no matter what you think of Trumps tactics, it worked.
I believe we have exhausted this subject. Quite honestly with this being a US matter and you not being a US citizen your option really doesn't matter on this subject. So I believe it would be best if you stuck to judging your countries leaders and we will stick with our.
Moving on.
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No, support for the EU has massively increased since brexit.
https://m.imgur.com/r/YUROP/lJ...
France is on +12 points, Italy on +14. That's people's impression of the EU, so the number who want to stay in it even if they don't like it (for economic reasons, for security, to reform it etc) will be much higher.
As for Japan, watch NHK News from time to time. Keep in mind that you are getting news in English from a western, often US centric position and it is often very different to what Japanese media are saying.
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I believe that you are European, so I'm going to defer to your judgement. I do hope that you are correct. I believe we would be stronger with the EU than without it. I don't like Merkil but I'm going to take my own advice and not make any more comments about her.
I'll add the NHK to my list of source to keep an eye on. Thank you
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Well how do I know that...
Yet you thought it ok to make equally stupid claims. Do you see that now?
What he was talking about was the fact that by treaty NATO members are required to spend a certain percentage of their GDP on defense.
Nope. He had no idea how NATO worked and made that explicitly clear on numerous occasions, just as he does with just about everything that comes out of his mouth. It's either wrong or a deliberate lie and everyone else in the world knows it except the Trump fanboys.
No, my clams are based on pure logic. You are not important enough to affect how the whole world feels about Trump. That is a fact. If you think other wise well then you are simply delusional. I recommend you seek medical attention.
Again you are wrong. I've seen the speeches and the interviews he did afterwards. He knew exactly what he was talking about. You don't get to be president of the United States by being stupid.
Look, you are clearly suffering from advanced TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome. That is when you let your irrational hatred of Trump interfere with your view of reality. I don't mind debating people on their views of Trump and how good a job he is doing as president. Most people just don't like him but don't suffer from TDS.
You clearly do. So there is no use continuing this discussion till you get the help you so clearly desire. Make sure when you seek professional help you let them know about your delusions of grandeur. You can get help there too.
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Can't have a rePUBLIC if the PUBLIC is not in control.
The entire EC was bribe to the slaveholders.
NOBODY thinks tRump is doing what is good for America although a great many NOBODY'S think he is doing good for them
No one needs to prefer the opinions of 1%'rs and Crackerheads OVER the majority who voted against this sorry ass
And yes, people who call resistance to Nazism "Bad people" are Nazis at heart
No, my clams are based on pure logic.
Ok, since you said that they must be, because that's how pure logic works apparently...
Before you waste another paragraph telling me how superior your logic is because you said it is, maybe digest this and give me your pure logical response: http://news.gallup.com/poll/22...
You don't get to be president of the United States by being stupid
The record of American presidents would suggest otherwise...
You need serous help.
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NOBODY thinks tRump is doing what is good for America
On that fact, you are clearly wrong. I strongly suspect all your other facts too and I decry your elitist attitude about those who disagree with you.
You see, it is just your flavor of rhetoric that is the problem. You refuse to admit that a great many people have a different opinion from you and that their opinions are also reasonable from their prospective. You ascribe malice and ignorance to those who disagree with you and come across as a self important know it all with little actual understanding and no reasonable argument. Because you are not being reasonable, you get ignored and dismissed, which YOU mistakenly take as evidence of ignorance.
Slow down sir. TRY to understand others. Most folks, of all political stripes, are quite reasonable and well meaning. Dismissing them is just arrogance, accusing them of malice is wrong and malicious and thinking they are ignorant just proves you are the ignorant one.
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If you believe that SLOWER growth than under Obama's recovery from Bush's SECOND recession is good, you MIGHT think tRump is providing value.
If you believe that MORE racism in policing is good, you MIGHT think tRump is providing value.
If you believe that inflating risks of War are good, you MIGHT think tRump is providing value.
If you believe MORE Americans without healthcare is good, you MIGHT think tRump is providing value.
If you believe any such thing, I dismiss you as insane and possibly hostile to America as an ideal much less a state
If you believe that SLOWER growth than under Obama's recovery from Bush's SECOND recession is good, you MIGHT think tRump is providing value.
Facts are that Obama's "recovery" was pretty pathetic. Never in our history have we had such a slow, low growth, technical recovery. What's more, Obama had the audacity to suggest that GDP growth under 3% was the "new normal" in the face of the mounting debt. We are above 3% GDP growth now with Trump, and we are working on the debt issue.
If you believe that MORE racism in policing is good, you MIGHT think tRump is providing value.
There is no more racism in policing than before, in fact a lot less. This is a huge canard from the left, designed to appeal to specific voters upon which the democrats depend and really isn't rooted in facts.
If you believe that inflating risks of War are good, you MIGHT think tRump is providing value.
You make me laugh on this one. Obama just let things fall apart by his mamby pamby foreign policy and unenforced "red lines". There are no new wars, and if you where paying attention, two conflicts are nearing their ends right now under Trump. ISIS is on the run and North Korea is talking about a peace treaty with the south. Yet somehow you think Trump is out starting wars because he's asserting the USA's power for the USA's interests around the globe? Chill there Neville Chamberlin, this isn't how you start wars, it's how you keep them from happening.
If you believe MORE Americans without healthcare is good, you MIGHT think tRump is providing value.
How's that? Obamacare is alive and well and the only folks who don't have coverage are the ones who don't want it for cost reasons. The only real change here is that the fines for not having insurance have been lifted. Oh, except for the places where the ACA is broken... But I blame Obama for the failures of the ACA. It was his achievement (pretty much his ONLY one) and he had this law drafted and passed, he and the democrats own that mess, not Trump.
If you believe any such thing, I dismiss you as insane and possibly hostile to America as an ideal much less a state
Can your elitist attitude get any worse? I think not.
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