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The $100B Bet: The Meaning of the Vision Fund (economist.com)

Two years ago, if you had asked experts to identify the most influential person in technology, you would have heard some familiar names: Jeff Bezos of Amazon, Alibaba's Jack Ma or Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg. Today there is a new contender: Masayoshi Son. The founder of SoftBank, a Japanese telecoms and internet firm, has put together an enormous investment fund that is busy gobbling up stakes in the world's most exciting young companies. The Vision Fund is disrupting both the industries in which it invests and other suppliers of capital [Editor's note: the link may be paywalled; an alternative source wasn't immediately available]. From a report: But even if the fund ends up flopping, it will have several lasting effects on technology investing. The first is that the deployment of so much cash now will help shape the industries of the future. Mr Son is pumping money into "frontier technologies" from robotics to the internet of things. He already owns stakes in ride-hailing firms such as Uber; in WeWork, a co-working company; and in Flipkart, an Indian e-commerce firm that was this week sold to Walmart. In five years' time the fund plans to have invested in 70-100 technology unicorns, privately held startups valued at $1bn or more. Its money, often handed to entrepreneurs in multiples of the amounts they initially demand and accompanied by the threat that the cash will go to the competition if they balk, gives startups the wherewithal to outgun worse-funded rivals. Mr Son's bets do not have to pay off for him to affect the race. Mr Son's second impact will be on the venture-capital industry. To compete with the Vision Fund's pot of moolah, and with the forays of other unconventional investors, incumbents are having to bulk up.

39 comments

  1. Vision Fund? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because Ultron Fund failed?

  2. Funny how there isn't one scientist in that list by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    just a bunch of businessmen. The most "influential" are guys who go around buying up companies and using tech other people developed.

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  3. Rich people realizing they can't spend it all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The famous observation that the rich are black holes of money remains true.

    1. Re:Rich people realizing they can't spend it all by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      'The Money Store' was largely funded by the DuPont family. Nice job redistributing the wealth, whoever pulled that one off.

      Old money people are unbelievably stupid and helpless. If you did even a little searching, you could find many formerly rich families.

      3 generations removed from the person that made the money, and you are pretty much guaranteed _metric_ room temperature IQs. e.g. The Kennedy family, the Bush family, the DuPont family, the Hunt family, the Rockefeller family, the Hilton family, the other Bush family (of Anheuser-Bush) etc etc etc.

      Granting some family are so rich, they can't waste the money fast enough. Those fortunes last until the get an active investor, moron, heir.

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    2. Re:Rich people realizing they can't spend it all by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Indeed. In 1937, the Rockefeller family has a net worth of about 1.5% of America's economic output, or about $300B in today's dollars. But the assets of the Rockefeller family today has dwindled to almost nothing. A mere $10B.

    3. Re:Rich people realizing they can't spend it all by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      That is because America's economic output increased quickly. Rockefellers net worth would be about $30B in today's dollars. David Rockefeller was incredibly (financially) successful in banking.

    4. Re:Rich people realizing they can't spend it all by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Commie theory, as espoused by the GGP, says that they would simply have to be worth more as time passed.

      That's just false, even at the Billionaire level. They've pissed away 2/3 of it.

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    5. Re:Rich people realizing they can't spend it all by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      They've pissed away 2/3 of it.

      To be fair, a large amount of that money went to philanthropy.

    6. Re:Rich people realizing they can't spend it all by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      How they pissed it away isn't my problem.

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    7. Re:Rich people realizing they can't spend it all by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Old money people are unbelievably stupid and helpless. If you did even a little searching, you could find many formerly rich families.

      3 generations removed from the person that made the money, and you are pretty much guaranteed _metric_ room temperature IQs. e.g. The Kennedy family, the Bush family, the DuPont family, the Hunt family, the Rockefeller family, the Hilton family, the other Bush family (of Anheuser-Bush) etc etc etc.

      Granting some family are so rich, they can't waste the money fast enough. Those fortunes last until the get an active investor, moron, heir.

      Makes sense, really. I mean, think about it.

      Guy makes a fortune in something. Guy then has offspring. You think his offspring will have the same work ethic as their dad? Heck, their dad might have grown up in the poor part of the tracks with barely enough food to eat and clawed his way to money one deal at a time. His kids will never have that experience, growing up in a relatively large house with plenty of food. And having to go without seems hard to do when you have enough money to buy what you want.

      Daddy might try to impart some wisdom, but chances are it will fall on deaf ears - there never was a time they had to do without, never a time they needed to work. It's like a lottery winner who wins the big pot - chances are in 5 years they'd be broke and in debt, no matter how much money they won.

      When you make your fortune the hard way, you learn the value of a dollar. When you have all the dollars given to you, you don't really know what it's like to not have a dollar and mouths to feed. About the only way to do so is to use that money to get oneself a head start, then abandon it - walk away, and live like every other working stiff does.

    8. Re:Rich people realizing they can't spend it all by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      To be fair, charities are just tax dodges. Being poor on paper is the dream most billionaire obtain, it doesn't make them dumb, just corrupt.

    9. Re:Rich people realizing they can't spend it all by ananamouse · · Score: 1

      It is really like this: to really get rich simply go down to the crossroads at midnight and sell your soul to the devil.
      Catch-22: You have to have one that he[/she/it] won’t get simply by waiting.
      The devil then has an ‘in’ on the decedents, the devil has a voluminous catalog of what temptation works where and with whom, and gets them by simply waiting.

  4. What SoftBank is by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Softbank is just a bunch of rich people wasting oil money. Most of the money comes from Saudi Arabia.

    1. Re:What SoftBank is by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 0

      Softbank is a bank in Japan ...
      Saudi Arabia is completely elsewhere. Perhaps you like to consult a map.

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    2. Re:What SoftBank is by thebullshitpatrol · · Score: 1

      wow, I didn't realize money was so hard to send from saudi arabia to japan https://softbank-ia.com/vision...

    3. Re:What SoftBank is by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Softbank is a bank in Japan ...

      SoftBank is not a bank. It is a tech holding company.

      Also, while Masayoshi Son is a Japanese citizen, he is ethnically Korean, and is seen as an outsider in corporate Japan. He has attributed his success to being forced to follow a less cautious path, and being shutout of many of the cross-ownership deals between Japanese corps, that in hindsight have been a boat anchor impeding the growth and innovation of his competitors.

    4. Re:What SoftBank is by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 0

      Oh, the GP was talking about the opposite, money send from Japan to Saudi Arabia.

      And he was implying that the Japanese are kissing the ass of the Saudies.

      It is extremely unlikely that a Japanese will ever be kissing the ass of someone who has not slitted eyes and slightly white/yellowish skin.

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    5. Re:What SoftBank is by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 0

      Most Japanese are ethnically Korean.
      The Ainu are mostly extinct.

      Old Familes in Japan are either Chinese or Korean, partly intermixed with Ainu.

      Modern Japanese are mostly Korean and partly Taiwanian and to a very low amount from Okinawa.

      Of course you can not talk to a Japanese about that as Amaterasus' children are all sacret :D

      SoftBank is not a bank. It is a tech holding company.
      I thought they originally were a banking consortium, my mistake.

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    6. Re:What SoftBank is by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Most Japanese are ethnically Korean.

      If you want to get pedantic, why not go all the way, and point out that we all came from Africa?

      The modern Japanese migrated to the archipelago several thousand years ago, and are linguistically and culturally distinct from Koreans.

    7. Re:What SoftBank is by khchung · · Score: 1

      Most Japanese are ethnically Korean.

      Have fun trying to get a usual Japanese to agree with that.

      (Not to say I personally disagree with that statement, looking at the map and then looking at the faces of Koreans and Japanese would convince most people that’s very likely, except Japanese)

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    8. Re:What SoftBank is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just go full racist. Other asians do not count, they will never do it to anyoen who is not japanese.

    9. Re:What SoftBank is by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Oh,
      I would never say that into the face of a Japanese :D

      (Actually some parts of the Korean country speak dialects that are super similar to Japanese)

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    10. Re:What SoftBank is by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Hm,
      first of all: I heavily doubt that we all came from Africa.
      Secondly: you speak chines as I get from your other posts.
      Perhaps you want to watch some random youtube videos and listen to japanese and korean, they sound the same. Even by sound a japanese can understand a high percentage of chinese.
      Even *I* do, and my japanese is super mediocre.

      culturally distinct from Koreans
      Not at all. They conquered or tried to conquer each other several times in history. (Hint: there are books about that)

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    11. Re:What SoftBank is by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

      Ah yes the classic "I don't like the Japanese because they're racist"
      How enlightened!

    12. Re:What SoftBank is by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Did you answer to the wrong post?

      I actually like Japanese ... many of my friends are ...

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    13. Re:What SoftBank is by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

      I may have misunderstood the conversation but great follow up.
      I have to agree that I dont see the Japanese having a super close relationship with the saudis.

  5. usual suspects by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Uber; in WeWork, and in Flipkart,

    Kind of late to the party there. These guys are already done doing whatever disrupting they're going to do.
    How about finding some new ideas that need investment?

    Maybe he can find some bio firms and CRISPER all up in that beeotch, but that bandwagon is already well under way. Maybe neural interfaces & mind uploading might be fertile fields.

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  6. Re:Funny how there isn't one scientist in that lis by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    just a bunch of businessmen. The most "influential" are guys who go around buying up companies and using tech other people developed.

    Tech is not influential if it sits on the shelf. Great ideas often go nowhere until someone puts some money behind them.

  7. Can get around that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But it means having a scientist who is both competent and financially ruthless.

    There are a few players on the scene who may qualify as scientists or engineers, but they are dramatically fewer than the businessmen or successful trust fund babies.

  8. I agree by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    which is why the government funds science. Albeit in the most round about way possible in the States.

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  9. eat the rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By law, you are not allowed to raise capital unless you pay lawyers a million dollars to get past the laws emplaced to protect the rich from competition by the poor. Softbank can beat this phony capitalism (actually communism) hands down.

  10. It's The Economist by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

    ... with its piss poor track record of forecasting global affairs. (And local too.) Written for IYIs to give them an illusion they are being better informed about this world of ours.

    The cover is more or less the only thing of value in that magazine, artistically speaking.

  11. Legal IP theft, financiers to collaborators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have worked at two Son/Softbank-funded companies. He won big with Alibaba, but results are iffy otherwise. But they don't really care about money: the goal is to siphon intellectual property as it appears, often paving the way for China's (military's) sovereign wealth fund to invest in later stages. It's also a way to socialize the US hedge funds and institutional investors, by creating common interests. Then it becomes much, much harder politically or economically to stop the drain. The IP they are most interested in is dual-use, both civilian and military: AI, bio-engineering, etc.

    It's nice to see someone taking the long view. We Americans sell anything at a profit.

  12. Two years ago, if you had asked me... by jjeffries · · Score: 1

    I'd have said Linus Torvalds.

    And I would do the same today.

  13. Re:Funny how there isn't one scientist in that lis by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

    That's what happens when you have a system designed to ensure the rich stay rich, what's your point?

  14. The $100B Bet: the new dick measuring contest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    see subject, that is all, good night.

    capcha: computes

  15. Japan's Warren Buffet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Softbank core business is selling cellular service. As it is a subscription service, he has access to predictable cash flow. This is similar to Berkshire Hathaway's GEICO, which sells insurance. His investment style is much riskier than Warren Buffet, and very tech heavy.

  16. jack ma? by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

    bahahahaahahahahahahaaha

  17. superforecaster sniff test by epine · · Score: 1

    You think his offspring will have the same work ethic as their dad? Heck, their dad might have grown up in the poor part of the tracks with barely enough food to eat and clawed his way to money one deal at a time. His kids will never have that experience, growing up in a relatively large house with plenty of food. And having to go without seems hard to do when you have enough money to buy what you want.

    To find someone who doesn't already know this story, in many glorious hues, you'd pretty much have to travel to some remote place where television hasn't been invented yet (and maybe books, too).

    Most people on the internet have television, and 99% of us can read with fair proficiency, yet somehow you feel the need to recap that story in its essential outlines here. Obviously, your narrative purpose is not to inform, but rather to scold or remind, or some interesting hybrid thereof; or perhaps to anchor one narrative frame in the discussion, at the expense of another.

    There's an extensive and thriving literature on nature vs nurture, and the complex weave of heredity and environment—which your post reduces to a single, commonplace "just so" story.

    Another possible name for "just so" stories is base-rate baldies: you can tell a "just so" story by the inability of a superforecaster to do anything with it at all. The universal hallmark of a superforecaster is to first establish the base rate, and then refine the model to increasingly narrow specifics progressing inward by degrees from that firm foundation.

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