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The Tech Used To Monitor Inmate Calls Is Able To Track Civilians Too (thedailybeast.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Daily Beast: Securus Technologies' programs are used in thousands of prisons and detention centers nationwide to track calls to inmates, but the company's offerings are also capable of tracking and geolocating people's cellphones without any warrant or oversight, The New York Times reports. Securus obtains location information though data from major cellphone providers the same way marketers do. It also advertises the technology to law-enforcement agencies as a tool to find murder suspects, missing people, and those at-large -- but the feature can easily be abused for access to millions of cellphone users.

One Missouri sheriff used the service at least 11 times between 2014 and 2017, and secretly tracked state highway patrol members and a judge, prosecutors said. While the company said it "required customers to upload a legal document" to certify the location lookup, the Federal Communications Commission claims Securus did not "conduct any review of surveillance requests" -- giving law enforcement tracking power without verification of approval or oversight.

35 comments

  1. I have read this story multiple times... by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've read this story in multiple places, and the bit that always hits me, that nobody seems to even be concerned about is this:

    Securus obtains location information though data from major cellphone providers the same way marketers do.

    So... we have a problem with law enforcement being able to geolocate (and, OK, I think there are some legitimate reasons to feel there should be restrictions on that, I get it, I'm not a fascist, but at the same time it's one area most people would agree that if law enforcement has a good reason, they should be able to geolocate a cellphone) but we don't give a shit about marketing people having the exact same data. Oh no, that doesn't bother us at all. We just casually mention that this was the original intent of the data collection, without actually in any way being bothered about it.

    WHAT. THE. FUCK?

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    1. Re:I have read this story multiple times... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There are some special rules that law enforcement has to abide by, and rightly so. With that said, if marketers can simply access this information, is law enforcement allowed to do so as well or do they need a warrant? And if they do, why are the Securus execs not being tracked by this tech in their very own jail cell right now?

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    2. Re:I have read this story multiple times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Mainly, it's because marketers are a blight on society and are annoying as fuck, yes it's true, but law enforcements ARRESTS AND KILLS thousands of Americans every year. A little higher standard is need here.

    3. Re:I have read this story multiple times... by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      This just tells me that there needs to be a much higher standard for marketers and an even higher one than that for LEO.

    4. Re: I have read this story multiple times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, first, let's kill all the marketers, then the lawyers, then law enforcement.

    5. Re:I have read this story multiple times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well now your just sounding ridiculous. /sarcasm

    6. Re: I have read this story multiple times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only those that deserve it...

    7. Re:I have read this story multiple times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Too bad it can't backtrack the caller(s) and obtain absolute verification of the origination of a call.

      Then, the FCC and other Federal agencies would be able to roll up all the spam callers, the faked IRS Robo-Callers, and the assholes from "Account Services", and then put _them_ in prison without access to any kind of telephone, either wired or wireless...

    8. Re: I have read this story multiple times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They only do that to those that deserve it...

    9. Re:I have read this story multiple times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

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    10. Re:I have read this story multiple times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was about to ask "how do they get that data in the first place?", and "the same way marketeers do" is a pretty bad answer. Neither should be able to. This is something to slap the telcos down for.

    11. Re: I have read this story multiple times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Criminals kill tens of thousands a year, and yet I don't hear liberals protesting about crime.

      I would love to see the doo good white liberals as upset about crip and blood colors as they are about the evil confederate flag. Won't happen.

    12. Re:I have read this story multiple times... by Mnemennth · · Score: 1

      You just said EXACTLY what I was about to post... almost word for word. :D

      mnem
      Thanks; now I can get back to being a "productive" member of society again! :P

    13. Re: I have read this story multiple times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, first, let's kill all the marketers, then the lawyers, then law enforcement.

      Best to start with you, bitch.

      That will get rid of the sound of your whining, and after that the world will be much more pleasant.

    14. Re: I have read this story multiple times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any time you create a rule that impacts one person or party you create a market. If the rules won't let you do what you want then you buy from someone who can. The problem here is that someone else (that isn't law enforcement) has this power.

      You can be sure they have this power because dollars are moving somewhere. Follow the money.

    15. Re:I have read this story multiple times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, so? When's the last time a marketer tracked you down and shot you in the back? And then lied about it?

    16. Re: I have read this story multiple times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? LOL. You just Jumped the shark my man.

    17. Re:I have read this story multiple times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People generally have poor imaginations. They think the only threats in the world come from governments, and don't recognize the threats posed by private corporations.

      How about his as a marketing scheme?

      Find out where you spouse has been! Pay only $40 for a full week of searching your spouses location data! *

      *(Also available, $4000 to remove your own location data)

    18. Re:I have read this story multiple times... by Dagger2 · · Score: 1

      If anybody was still wondering why the GDPR is a thing... stuff like this is why.

    19. Re:I have read this story multiple times... by fafalone · · Score: 1

      The method isn't very clear, but if marketers can get a phones location that's a massive problem that's not been reported before. Carriers are selling that info, or Apple and Google? That's horrifying if that's what's happening, but its not clear. A few apps selling non-anonymous location info sure, but that wouldn't provide that many people.

    20. Re: I have read this story multiple times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      typical liberal response "ARE YOU SERIOUS!?"

    21. Re:I have read this story multiple times... by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      This has been mentioned on Slashdot before, at least in the comments.

      Basically, many app developers use frameworks to build their apps. These framework developers can dip into data from multiple apps and use that data to locate people. They can also identify people by geo-fencing the phones at night, when most people are home asleep, and correlate that to tie an identity to a phone.

      refences:
      https://www.otherlevels.com/bl...
      https://gizmodo.com/your-favor...

  2. from major cellphone providers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    .. the same way marketers do

    there's the problem. cell phone (and other communication or service) providers shouldn't be selling or giving the data away... period not without a valid and authenticated order from a judge. the data providers collect while providing the services they do should not itself be a profit center.

    1. Re:from major cellphone providers by PPH · · Score: 1

      We lost that battle late in the last century. One of the telecoms bills changed the ownership of call metadata from the party placing the call to the phone company.

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  3. That's impossible! by aglider · · Score: 1

    Inmates' phones are inherently different from civilians!
    Aren't they?

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    1. Re: That's impossible! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, only inmates use burner phones geo-located within the perimeter of a county jail or state/federal prison.

      Whats to stop Mr LEO from listening to the hot dispatchers personal calls, or the dude he has a grudge against a half mile away.... or the dude having an affair with his wife, or the kid boning his step-daughter....

      Oh, yeah.. case in point: Undersheriff Fernando Mendoza Leadville/Lake County fired Nov 2017, indicted by grand jury on Chomo-Pedophile charges and official misconduct Dec2017.

  4. Also ... by PPH · · Score: 2

    ... very easy to track law enforcement and undercover agents with this technology.

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    Exactly Nancy,

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  6. Why worry ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After being monitored, civilians will be jailed, fixing the problem.

  7. Poorly written article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The article sounds as if the geo-location data appears like magic. The crux privacy is the source of the data leak. Where does this information come from, and who's providing it?

    The best I can gather is that people are signing up with Securus then agree to provide geo-location data to marketers, but this also can be obtained by law enforcement. But.. I can't really be sure... it's just not a well written article and it isn't clear.

    1. Re: Poorly written article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not exactly. Securus tech has some disclaimers but they are misleading at best when you "sign up" for services. Which btw aren't an optional thing. It's a racket! One jail has only one provider...period. So, it breeds lots of questions like...who decided securus tech runs all calls from certain facilities at a county level but DOC facilities in the same vicinity are Global Teltech or some crap! There is a reason that someone doesn't want to be widely known..trust... because if you look into how much some families spend monthly for just one inmate to make local freaking calls or worse yet...local long distance calls it's scary. I bet there's some kind of paper trail there. When you think of the applications and implications which could be made with this information in respect to new criminal cases that are (yes, I said are and I mean it) undoubtedly created from the information plucked from these calls...the scope of this conspiracy is astounding! I've had five phones while my man has been locked up and every one becomes possessed and stops functioning properly shortly after taking the first two or three calls from any facility where he's locked up for the last year.

  8. The Donald by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump approves of this behavior. The rule of law is for snowflakes and libtards.

  9. NYTimes article is more informative by rapjr · · Score: 2

    The linked article is based on a NYTimes article which is much more informative: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0... ALL US cellphone location data is being aggregated and resold.

  10. LEO's are CIVILIANS too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This habit of law enforcement officers using the term "civilians" to mean people who are not law enforcement officers is just plain wrong. A civilian is someone who is not a member of a uniformed military. They use this term because they operate as a (less and less) quasi military organization with ranks and such. There is a difference however, in that the military are put in prison for failure to follow a direct order and cops may be suspended (if their union doesn't fight it).

  11. wtf!? over. these people are still doing business. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In any case that a person's rights are violated...we should ALL be alarmed and outraged especially when the situation is made light of like this here. No agency government or otherwise should be able to tap into anyone's private phone calls with no warrant regardless of their "reason(s)". As soon as we all stand by and start allowing these transgressions as if they have any freakin merit we essentially condone this illegal activity and by doing so lay groundwork for continuing activity that violates the rights of citizens until gradually there is no such thing anymore as a citizen with rights or privacy...