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Fedora-Based Linux Distro Korora Halts Development (betanews.com)

Korora, a Fedora-based Linux distro, halted its development this month, BetaNews' Brian Fagioli spotted Wednesday. The announcement would irk many, as Korora consistently received positive feedback from critics and users alike. News outlet ZDNet once described Korora as "Fedora++", while Slashdot readers, too, spoke highly of the distro.

At the same time, the announcement should come as little surprise to anyone who has been tracking Korora's work. In a blog post, Korora team wrote: Korora for the forseeable future is not going to be able to march in cadence with the Fedora releases. In addition to that, for the immediate future there will be no updates to the Korora distribution. Our team is infinitesimal (currently 1 developer and 2 community managers) compared to many other distributions, we don't have the luxury of being able to dedicate the amount of time we would like to spend on the project and still satisfy our real life obligations. So we are taking a little sabbatical to avoid complete burn out and rejuvenate ourselves and our passion for Korora/Fedora and wider open source efforts. The team had expressed similar concerns earlier this year: For the past few years Korora has released a new version in line with each Fedora version. That means that approximately twice a year we prepare, test and create 5 different ISO versions. This is as well as, among other things, developing new projects, supporting existing releases and planning the future versions. As each team member has different skills some tasks, such as development, can only be done by one person. All this is done in our spare time along side our job, family and personal responsibilities. For a very small team, currently 3 people plus the occasional input from others, this is a lot of work. It means that often Korora has to take a back seat when real life intrudes. This isn't the first time Korora had to abruptly pause its development. In 2007, Christopher Smart, who kickstarted Korora (at the time based on Gentoo Linux), had discontinued the project -- only to revive it three years later.

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  1. Re:MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by FudRucker · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    with freedom of speech also comes responsibility for what you say, thats what moderation points do, if someone is blathering insane nonsense or filthy talk then you know they are going to be modded down to oblivion, on the other hand say something brilliant or insightful or just funny with a touch of brilliance or insight then you know those comments are going to be modded up, do you need to be reminded of that basic concept???

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  2. Never heard of it until now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    as i typed...

    for a distribution which is portrayed as being so well know as fedora++

    I never Fscking heard of it.

    1. Re:Never heard of it until now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been using Linux for over 20 years, and regularly read LWN, and never heard of this distribution. Seems like it generates more publicity on death than it ever did in life.

    2. Re:Never heard of it until now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux distributions are like standards

      https://xkcd.com/927/

      for fsck's sake

      linuxgazette was better ;)

    3. Re:Never heard of it until now by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      pretty hilarious, I looked for its distrowatch ranking. It fell off the end of the charts that go down below 5 hits per month, it has no ranking. because last release was last year, it's been dead and its corpse is now stinking up slashdot.

      seriously, who gives a shit about these minor niche crap distros that a ten year old could cut and paste together?

    4. Re:Never heard of it until now by forkfail · · Score: 1

      We've got us some quality editors running things here at /., that we do.

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    5. Re:Never heard of it until now by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

      "Journalism largely consists of saying 'Lord Jones is Dead' to people who never knew that Lord Jones was alive." -- G. K. Chesterton

  3. Re:MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    It's not censorship; it's telling you they think your post sucks horse.
    Serious Slashdot readers always browse at -1 anyway. That's exactly how I'm able to reply to your post.

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  4. Mageia by hduff · · Score: 1

    If they like "Red Hat/Fedora done better", they will also like Mageia. It's progenitor was Mandrake, a "red Hat done better" distro.

    download link https://www.mageia.org/en/6/

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  5. weak... by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

    The fact that it's so isolated to each task being done by one person only makes it a weak candidate for any Linux distribution.
    At that point, it's only a matter of time before one piece of it's weak foundation breaks and it comes tumbling down.
    Not to mention.. I've never heard of it.

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  6. Similar distros should be fusioned. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are many GNU/Linux distros as hundreds of them for few kinds of distros:
    1. debian-based
    2. redhat-based
    3. slackware-based
    4. source-based

    It did not complete divide-and-conquer. They did lack the merge of the divided distros.

    Few repositories should be simplified.

    People has to pick one OS for its host machine, not hundreds!!!.

    What does Linus Torvalds think about this problem?

    1. Re:Similar distros should be fusioned. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linus uses Fedora.

    2. Re: Similar distros should be fusioned. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gobo Linux, if it's still around was kind of unique. Some have had interesting unique use cases too, like yellow Dog for old power pc Mac's and then playstations.

      The problem is all these repacked rethemed useless distributions and all those that essentially suffer from NIH.

      But then again, GNU, Linux and the distros aren't really the problem. Sure there is wine but something like Libre Office Calc is fuxjing archaic when compared to the alternative for those that really need it. So many user interfaces being made when what's really needed is hard, expensive work on the production tools people need.

      For me though, gimp, calc etc. are great and I thank all the hardworking generous people who continue to build these tools.

    3. Re:Similar distros should be fusioned. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Debian has Ubuntu. Fedora has (or has had) Korora.

    4. Re:Similar distros should be fusioned. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Debian has Ubuntu, which has Mint.
      RHEL has Fedora, which in turn had Korora.

  7. Fedora++? LoL! Systemd infested garbage by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1, Troll

    SystemD, DBUS, PulseAudio, GNOME3, Wayland. Fedora, these things hang around your neck like a dead albatross. "Loaded with shit." is a good description of Fedora. Also, let's not forget that the Fedora faggots are the ones who started a lot of that shit. They were jumping up and down wanting systemd etc.. Now they are all excited about Wayland. Fuck that. All it does is take a bunch of useful features (XDMCP *is* fucking useful despite it being too technical for Fedora weenies to comprehend). Wayland takes away great features and then lectures users not to use such "hard" software to maintain. Funny, the people from my own generation seemed to maintain it just fucking fine. Just like init and all the rest of the software that Fedora has poo-poo'd. Now people think the shit-state that Linux is in is *normal*. Well, yes, it has always sucked a bit, but not nearly as much as it blows ass now. Anyhow, those who give a shit are long gone to FreeBSD or other greener pastures, myself included. Seeing shit like this article is just another sad reminder of how the Fedora-minded children of Lennart ruined Linux.

    1. Re:Fedora++? LoL! Systemd infested garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyhow, those who give a shit are long gone to FreeBSD or other greener pastures, myself included.

      Speaking of greener pastures, there is a new Release Candidate for Devuan ASCII.

    2. Re:Fedora++? LoL! Systemd infested garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But SystemD, DBUS, PulseAudio, GNOME3, Wayland etc were adopted by other distributions also. They are not only used just by Fedora.

    3. Re: Fedora++? LoL! Systemd infested garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know why we all don't just use abacuses I mean why do we want the need to use electricity hanging around our neck.

    4. Re:Fedora++? LoL! Systemd infested garbage by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1

      High fucking five, brother. The only Linux distro besides Slackware that's still trill to the Unix vibe. Duvuan. Good job fellas.

    5. Re:Fedora++? LoL! Systemd infested garbage by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1

      Well put. Also, these turds often start in Fedora. The are the turd-fairy version of the canary in the coal mine.

    6. Re:Fedora++? LoL! Systemd infested garbage by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1

      Funny facts about this thread. It's been hidden by admins, and the parent has been moderated a zillion times. At the moment it's a troll but still +1, lol. Just goes to show you that the SystemD fiasco is still a huge force of drag on Linux. Besides being convincingly garbage software over these last few years, it's also caused a huge rift in whatever "communities" existed. I seriously still hear a lot of hate-speech (ha! I finally got to use that phrase) about it every time there are more than three geeks in a room. Go to conventions or bigger meetings and there are 2-3 groups standing around shit talking LP or SystemD. I support Unix environments (mostly commercial ones, but Linux and BSD ones, too) every day and we have a few thousand customers spread across the world, and I gotta say: tons of them hate SystemD and have been pretty pissed at Red Hat for that and more practical reasons (like their shitty license/subscription terms). I see lots of SMBs jumping ship to BSD, some to Devuan, quite a few to Windows (ugh). I see bigger companies just outsourcing 100% of IT and those management-company faggots often shitcan Linux for Windows or "appliances".

  8. One dude? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who would use an OS created by one dude..

    oh wait..

    1. Re:One dude? by supremebob · · Score: 1

      Well... when the desktop OS alternatives at the time were Mac OS 7 or Windows 95, almost anything looks good in comparison.

      Even some strange community UNIX-like OS written by some guy named Linus in Finland.

    2. Re:One dude? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      UNIX-like OS written by some guy named Linus

      I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
      Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
      Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

    3. Re:One dude? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi Richard, thanks for GNU!

    4. Re:One dude? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system

      No, GNU is not an operating system, there is no "GNU operating system" except for one solely comprised of GNU pieces where the kernel component is Hurd rather than Linux or BSD which in practise is not really usable. GNU provides a bunch of userspace bits that can run atop a kernel, other vendors like Google, Apple and the FreeBSD community provide the same (functionally) userspace pieces that, combined with the kernel, form an operating system.

      GNU has no properly usable kernel, Hurd has been in development for nearly 30 years and still doesn't have things like USB support or support for x86_64 architecture. Linux is the important bit because that's what allows software to run on hardware, you can switch out the GNU userspace and retain the same hardware compatibility and functioning system that you otherwise would have but if you switch out Linux for Hurd you can't really do much at all.

      That is what makes Linux so important relative to GNU, by swapping out GNU you lose pretty much nothing, by swapping out Linux for GNU Hurd you lose pretty much everything.

    5. Re:One dude? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      UNIX-like OS written by some guy named Linus

      I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.

      Reading what he wrote, nowhere in his post does he refer to anything as "Linux".

  9. How many more distros do we need? by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This may be a significant loss to the community, but I doubt it. How many Linux distros can one choose from? Scores, for sure. Maybe hundreds? How many of those accomplish something that is not already accomplished by many other distros? How many of them do something original? The vast majority of them seem to be based on one of Fedora, Debian or Ubuntu. What do they do that their parents don't? If you are going to come up with your own Linux distro, at the very least be original. While I am all for variety and choice, this proliferation of that really are little more than me-too is preposterous.

    1. Re:How many more distros do we need? by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 0

      Hundreds-of-Distros-hell seems especially egregious when you consider somehow the (3) BSD distros have clear design differences, but don't fragment to hell every time someone wants a different DE or window manager. It's one of many traits that makes Linux appear clueless when it's actually compared against it's betters.

    2. Re: How many more distros do we need? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "but don't fragment to hell every time someone wants a different DE or window manager."

      You mean like GhostBSD, TrueOS, DesktopBSD, and others? I still remember people forking BSD for various non-English languages, as if that required a different OS codebase.

    3. Re:How many more distros do we need? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its betters
      not
      it's betters

    4. Re:How many more distros do we need? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The BSDs do tend to fragment over the same issues. It's just you rarely hear about them because BSD's marketshare is a fraction of GNU/Linux's, and the people that use the BSDs don't really care as much about user interfaces.

    5. Re:How many more distros do we need? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Four BSD distributions. NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, DragonflyBSD.

      And "distribution" in the BSD world does not mean the same it does in the Linux world.

      It's a whole fork of the codebase, with everything developed semi-independently.

      It's not "hmm, if I configure this package differently, and add these three packages as default, and remove that package" which is closer to what a "distribution" means in the Linux world.

      (Yes, I know there are more than four BSDs around, but for simplicity's sake...)

  10. "Many"? LOLZ by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    never even heard of this little distro, and I admin hundreds of linux boxes of various distros in multiple locations for a living

    seriously, little "distros" (ooo look, we took this other's distros menu and made it pretty, and threw in packages x, y and z) sprout and die like weeds, who cares?

  11. Re ehH:Li(n)mux done right ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The huge task like development and maintenance of whole a DISTRIBUTION (fork or not) can't stand behind a person, as a duty for a 'solo' single one, being a titanic work.
    A well-coordinated team (of teams) is needed, and it is absolutely necessary. And sponsorship via sites like Patreon or employment from a backend company who sell subscriptions, like hardware-software integration service. Limux was a good idea but not specialized for needs of a single city but generalized for governments, ministries, state or private organizations, local governments administrations, town halls etc. And of course a lot of contributors and testers, from both categories, as much as possible.

  12. Small team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    |Our team is infinitesimal (currently 1 developer and 2 community managers)
    Hire Patrick Volkerding as consultant.

  13. Automation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about that Ubuntu fork "Ubuntu Ultimate". Okay, now called Ultimate Edition, now. The (sole?) developer there, TheeMahn supposedly does Ubuntu releases all by his lonesome with the help of a army of scripts he's created - so via automation. Maybe he could help, or at least drop some pointers.

    1. Re:Automation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sole developer (or a small team) it's not a robot(even a robot can break) and sooner or later, willing or not, will have to take a break, or a vacation, will get sick, or just will not be able to keep up with the work.

  14. Re: of course by forkfail · · Score: 1

    So, while I don't agree particularly with either AC statement, they are neither off topic nor particularly trollish.

    C'mon, folks. TFA is about a very small distro going under. Comparing to M$ and redhat are legit on this thread.

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  15. Comment by WallyL · · Score: 1

    I am one of the Korora users. I still choose it when I want to deploy a system on which I am merely an auxiliary user, and I just want it to be ready-to-go for the users. I have migrated to Fedora for my own systems because I kickstart and inject all my own configs and repos. But, for the family machines, they get Korora. With the arrival of Fedora 28, though, the K26 systems will fall behind and eventually I'll upgrade them to Fedora 28+.

  16. Re:MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by hduff · · Score: 3

    Fact: Moderation allows posts to be suppressed based on their content. This is censorship. Moderation is censorship, no matter how much the pro-censorship isers here deny it.

    Moderation is censorship and should be abolished.

    Until Slashdot is owned by the government, they can censor anything they please.

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  17. Supernova that almost got missed by Excelcia · · Score: 1

    At first I thought my unfamiliarity with it was just that I am firmly on the Debian side in the type of distros I prefer. This isn't even in the Distrowatch top 300 - if there are (at least) 300 distributions above you, including Slackware, the distribution that is, famously, essentially a one-man-show, then this is beyond even being a niche case. I kind of feel for the guy, though. Whomever he is. He's dedicated ten years of his life to making a distribution that could only register on the Internet's visual perceptors by a perfect storm combination of going supernova and a bored Slashdot editor being shown the explosion through a telescope.

    1. Re:Supernova that almost got missed by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      well some people used it for 10 years, I suppose a loyal following of dozens might be enough to make someone happy so I understand that part.

      rather than supernova of a main sequence star this is more like a brown dwarf, thought to fuse just a bit of deuterium and lithium if over 13 jupiter masses, and emit in the infrared. the only wonder is that they fuse at all. they just go dark when they die but don't change anything visible.

  18. I used to do that. CentOS lightened my workload by raymorris · · Score: 2

    I used to install Fedora for other people.
    The thing is, Fedora has an 18 month life. If you REALLY need some bleeding-edge feature that CentOS / Redhat doesn't have, the trade-off might be worth it. For 98% of use cases, CentOS will do what they want to do, more reliably, and with years of updates and support.

    1. Re:I used to do that. CentOS lightened my workload by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

      If you REALLY need some bleeding-edge feature that CentOS / Redhat doesn't have, the trade-off might be worth it

      This is what the EPEL repo is for. This way you're able to keep a stable foundation while having access to newer packages that RHEL/CentOS wouldn't otherwise have.

  19. Re:Fedora++? Good to Know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THX for that comprehensive list of changes happen over the years.

  20. Re:MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    yes, you are right, despite my comment being logical and reasonable, whoever modded me down as flamebait proves you are right and the mod point system is divisive and whoever modded me down can go eat a bag of dicks

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  21. Re:"Many"? LOLZ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    never even heard of this little distro, and I admin hundreds of linux boxes of various distros in multiple locations for a living

    seriously, little "distros" (ooo look, we took this other's distros menu and made it pretty, and threw in packages x, y and z) sprout and die like weeds, who cares?

    The systemd hater circlejerk.

  22. Re:MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

    Ignoring Slashdot is a private company and can censor anything they want using their resources.

    Shocking fact, if you post shit people don't like your comments get down voted. Just like real life where people choose to ignore you.

    You aren't entitled to an audience, speak whatever you wish but if you say things people don't like they aren't going to listen to you. This is no different than moderation. That's life.

  23. Re: of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's why I stick with Apple. They could buy and sell Microsoft.