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NYC Announces Plans To Test Algorithms For Bias (betanews.com)

The mayor of New York City, Bill de Blasio, has announced the formation of a new task force to examine the fairness of the algorithms used in the city's automated systems. From a report: The Automated Decision Systems Task Force will review algorithms that are in use to determine that they are free from bias. Representatives from the Department of Social Services, the NYC Police Department, the Department of Transportation, the Mayor's Office of Criminal Justice, the Administration for Children's Services, and the Department of Education will be involved, and the aim is to produce a report by December 2019. However, it may be some time before the task force has any sort of effect. While a report is planned for the end of next year, it will merely recommend "procedures for reviewing and assessing City algorithmic tools to ensure equity and opportunity" -- it will be a while before any recommendation might be assessed and implemented.

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  1. so when the data presents a "racist" result... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...that happens to be correct, do they throw the whole thing out to spare everyone's feelings?

    1. Re:so when the data presents a "racist" result... by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...that happens to be correct, do they throw the whole thing out to spare everyone's feelings?

      I'm guessing it won't come to that, they won't allow any white people (especially males) on that task force, just to make sure it keeps things "fair".

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    2. Re:so when the data presents a "racist" result... by butchersong · · Score: 4, Funny

      They will just keep updating it to not be aware of x and then getting upset when they still see the correlation. So rather than using the AI to determine where cops should be deployed heaviest and having it return "African American neighborhoods" they'll instead get a result like "where menthol cigarette sales are highest" or some-such.

    3. Re:so when the data presents a "racist" result... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      An un-biased algorithm means removing race and sex from consideration. But this is not what is being sought. The results from removing these two factors from school admission or job qualification determinations will produce results that will be automatically labeled racist or sexist. Competency and quality will always rise to the top regardless of race or sex but that is not an acceptable result in today's society.

    4. Re:so when the data presents a "racist" result... by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The headline is actually reversed. Algorithms aren't biased, or racist, or whatever, they take all the input data they can get, crunch the numbers, and produce a result based on the data. The goal in this case is to take unbiased algorithms and, if they produce a result that SJWs object to, bias them to produce a result more in line with what the SJWs want to see. So the idea is to make the algorithms biased, not unbiased.

  2. The name for this will be... by TheZeitgeist · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Affirmative Algorithms.

  3. Open Source - Open Data by darkain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Put in a mandate that all government algorithms most be open sourced in an easily accessible fashion, and all data passed through them must also be easily accessed. This will enable 3rd parties, ANY 3rd party, not just contracted "companies" (usually in the pockets of the people making decisions) to audit the code and data for flaws.

    One of the largest issues I've seen in the past with these systems is that they falsely assume correlation = causation. And quite often, the cause and effect are backwards, too. One example I always liked was that "overhead high voltage power lines caused health issues for those that live near them" - when once the data was updated with more inputs, it was discovered that it was an entirely different cause all together. High voltage power lines are unsightly, causing housing values around them to be below the average for the community. Poorer families were buying/renting them. Poorer families are more likely to have health issues due to financial constraints. In the end, the correlation wasn't causation, but each item both shared a similar root cause.

  4. "unbiased" by supernova87a · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One problem I have about political use of the term "bias" versus the scientific use is that when policymakers (under public pressure) find that otherwise unbiased selectors or factors that produce groups or divisions of the population that are "biased", they feel that the algorithms are "wrong" or need to be fixed.

    I happen to also be quite skeptical of the legitimacy of disparate impact policy, which states that even if a policy is facially neutral (not imposing rules or criteria associated with protected classes attributes), if it affects one group more than another it may be considered discriminatory or "biased".

    While good in theory, I have real trouble about how "unbiased" principles are applied in practice.

  5. Re:You live in Europe or something? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was going to meta-mod your comment as "-1 bullshit" but I thought I'd reply to it instead.

    YES, there is institutional racism here in the U.S. Particularly in colleges and universities. And it has been in place for decades.

    It is called "affirmative action". Studies have shown pretty conclusively that it has not worked. And the Supreme Court has signaled that it's probably on its way out.

    There was a lot LESS racism in America before Obama got elected. I'm not going to rant about the reasons, but that's a simple fact. Racial tensions were so much higher when he left office than when he began, there is hardly any comparison.

    Strangely, a lot of that racial tension has slacked off in the last year. Not all, but a good bit of it.

    Why is that, do you think?