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Should The Media Cover Tesla Accidents? (chicagotribune.com)

Long-time Slashdot reader rufey writes: Last weekend a Tesla vehicle was involved in a crash near Salt Lake City Utah while its Autopilot feature was enabled. The Tesla, a Model S, crashed into the rear end of a fire department utility truck, which was stopped at a red light, at an estimated speed of 60 MPH. "The car appeared not to brake before impact, police said. The driver, whom police have not named, was taken to a hospital with a broken foot," according to the Associated Press. "The driver of the fire truck suffered whiplash and was not taken to a hospital."
Elon Musk tweeted about the accident:

It's super messed up that a Tesla crash resulting in a broken ankle is front page news and the ~40,000 people who died in US auto accidents alone in past year get almost no coverage. What's actually amazing about this accident is that a Model S hit a fire truck at 60mph and the driver only broke an ankle. An impact at that speed usually results in severe injury or death.

The Associated Press defended their news coverage Friday, arguing that the facts show that "not all Tesla crashes end the same way." They also fact-check Elon Musk's claim that "probability of fatality is much lower in a Tesla," reporting that it's impossible to verify since Tesla won't release the number of miles driven by their cars or the number of fatalities. "There have been at least three already this year and a check of 2016 NHTSA fatal crash data -- the most recent year available -- shows five deaths in Tesla vehicles."

Slashdot reader Reygle argues the real issue is with the drivers in the Autopilot cars. "Someone unwilling to pay attention to the road shouldn't be allowed anywhere near that road ever again."


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  1. Re:No connection between those dots by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, the car did not run out of juice (ever), and it was a blown fuse, which only disabled part of the braking power. Indeed, the BBC has admitted that the "running out of charge" event was staged.

    The court rulings related to Teslas lawsuit never disagreed with Tesla's claim that Top Gear staged the events. They ruled that Tesla had failed to show material losses, and that a reasonable person would not believe that what happens on Top Gear is not embellished (something I think is false, but that's what they ruled).

    Beyond the fakery, then there's the deliberate distortions. Like going on about how the car only went a fraction of its rated range. Ignoring that it still had a 20% charge left when they decided to fake the "dead battery" and push it off the track, what they did would apply to any car. You think you can take your car to the track and drive foot down nonstop and get the same mileage as you get in a steady cruise? But they were trying to give the impression that you only go a short distance in the vehicle, which was simply not in any way, shape or form true.

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  2. Re:Dear Uncle Elon...let it go already by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Informative

    A. It really wasn't front page news unless you count maybe the local paper

    Let's examine this one shall we? This isn't the first time I heard this story mentioned and not through some Streisand effect either. This shit is showing up in general on news sites everywhere and even in my Google feed under the generic "car" header. I don't even live in America let alone locally. So why should this get covered? An estimated 5500 people get injured every day in the USA due to car accidents, and about 90 die. Yet here we are talking about a broken ankle.

    B. There is this thing called statistics.

    Exactly. So by your own account we should be seeing 1460x the coverage of the competition's fender benders. But we don't.

    These statistics remind me of the previous media crusade against Tesla: Car fires. OMG Tesla's are unsafe because they can catch fire! The media seemed to want to cover a car fire every opportunity it happened to Tesla. I didn't hear of the 150000 other non Tesla fires that happen either, because no one seems to give a shit about statistics.

  3. Re:Should we be ignorant by ranton · · Score: 4, Informative

    That is Elon's point as well. Disproportionately covering Tesla crashes keeps the general public ignorant of Tesla's actual safety record.

    Tesla vehicles currently drive about 2.67 billion miles per year (as of July 2017). That is about 0.083% of all miles driven in the US. This means you would expect about 33-34 deaths per year in Tesla cars, without adjusting for the demographics and behaviors of Tesla drivers compared to the US average. In 2016 there were 5 deaths, making Tesla cars about 6-7 times safer than average (again without adjusting for driver demographics).

    Considering the average driver age (by miles driven) is about 43, and Tesla average driver age is 53, you would expect slightly less driver deaths in Teslas. Although considering driver deaths by age are fairly consistent between ages 35-70 (with 16-30 and 75+ being much higher), perhaps there would be another 1-2 Tesla driver deaths if they had drivers of a more average age. So after taking that into account, maybe Teslas are only 4-5 times safer than an average car. Then again your average Tesla driver probably likes to accelerate faster than your average 53 year old driver, so maybe on average Tesla drivers are just as safe or even less safe than average drivers.

    Teslas are also much newer than the average car. The average car on the road is about 11 years old, and my guess is the average Tesla is around 3-4 years old. 3 year old cars are about 20% safer than 11 year old cars on average, so again Tesla might kill another 1-2 people per year if they were a bit older. So perhaps Teslas are only 3-4 times safer than your average car.

    The only thing that isn't disputable is that Teslas are far safer than your average car. If every car was as safe as a Tesla, its possible that 75% or more of all traffic deaths would be prevented. It's hard to tell just how many 10's of thousands of lives would be saved each year if all cars were as safe as Teslas because there are so many factors, but it would certainly be a lot.

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  4. Problem isn't Tesla accidents being over-reported by Solandri · · Score: 5, Informative

    The problem is that car accidents are in general vastly under-reported by the media. Until the last couple years, the single most dangerous thing you did was to get into a car (surpassed only recently by drug overdoses). On average, about 1 in 102 people you know are fated to die in a car accident. Compare to the odds of some of the other things the media devotes a disproportionately high (or low) amount of coverage time:

    Suicide: 1 in 91
    Police killed on duty: 1 in 104 (1.1 million officers / (135 per year * 78 year lifespan normalization)
    Homicide by gun: 1 in 285
    Drowning: 1 in 1,086
    Fire: 1 in 1,506
    Choking: 1 in 3,138
    Killed by police: 1 in 4,336 (325.7 million / (963 * 78 year lifespan)
    Complications from pregnancy: 1 in 5,965 (325.7 million / (700 * 78 year normalization)
    Terrorism in U.S.: 1 in 28,033 (325.7 million / (3277 * 78 year lifespan / 22 years sample))
    Killed by deer: 1 in 34,797 (325.7 million / (120 * 78 year lifespan)
    Gun accident: 1 in 8305
    Lightning: 1 in 114,195
    School shootings: 1 in 121,033 (325.7 million / (138 * 78 year lifespan normalization / 4 years sample))
    Dog attack: 1 in 132,614
    Plane crash: 1 in 205,552
    Terrorism in U.S. excluding 9/11: 1 in 248,954
    Shark attack: 1 in 3,690,101 (325.7 million / (43 * 78 year lifespan / 38 year sample)

    If news reports were truly unbiased, you'd expect to see:

    Roughly 3x as many reports about fatal car accidents than gun homicides.
    5x as many reports of women dying from pregnancy than reports of terrorism fatalities (including 9/11, 77x without).
    39x as many stories about people dying of choking on food, versus school shootings.
    43x as many stories about fatal car accidents than police shootings.
    91x as many reports about suicides than gun accidents.
    Over 100x as many stories about people being killed by deer, than killed by sharks.

    The truth is the media picks and chooses which stories they want to publicize, whether it be because of their unusual and provocative nature (e.g. Tesla crashes, plane crashes, school shootings, shark attacks), or to serve a political agenda.