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No Fossil Fuel-Based Generation Was Added To US Grid Last Month (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: In the U.S., two types of electricity generation are on the rise: natural gas and renewables. If one of those is set to make a bigger mark than the other this year, it's natural gas: in 2018, natural gas-burning capacity is expected to outpace renewable capacity for the first time in five years, according to data from the Energy Information Agency. Although natural gas additions are expected to overtake renewable energy additions in 2018, forecasts for renewable energy additions to the grid roughly match what we saw in 2017. Natural gas is overtaking renewables not because renewable energy adoption is slowing, but more because natural gas facilities are seeing a considerable boom.

In fact, barring any changes in the EIA numbers, natural gas, wind, and solar generation are the only electricity generation sources that will be added to the U.S. grid in any consequential manner in 2018. Battery, hydroelectric, and biomass facilities make up the small percentage of "other" sources that are expected to come online this year. Renewable energy also started off the year strong. According to the EIA, "in February 2018, for the first time in decades, all of the new generating capacity coming online within a month were non-fossil-fueled. Of the 475 MW of capacity that came online in February, 81 percent was wind, 16 percent was solar photovoltaic, and the remaining 3 percent was hydro and biomass."

123 comments

  1. Natural gas is a fossil fuel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject line.

    1. Re:Natural gas is a fossil fuel by Sique · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. Swap gas for instance is a natural gas, but not fossil.

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  2. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next year, we expect you guys to start *removing* fossil fuel-based power generation.

    1. Re:Good by gtall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, like climate change doesn't result in increased costs. Want to see the effects? Check with the fishes. Along the Atlantic seaboard, fisherman have had to cruise much further north because it turns out fish like cooler water and the tropics have been heating up...which also kills off the coral (which is another cost at the base of the food chain). This increases the cost of fishing.

      That's only one effect. Increased cooling costs for the humans is another.

      So you can either pay for increased power costs due to renewables, or you can pay for increase power costs due to global warming. You will probably choose the latter, which will come a quite a relief to the poor people in the tropics.

      If you would learn a bit of systems theory, you wouldn't have such an uneducated view of power.

    2. Re:Good by religionofpeas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Solar + wind works best with storage. But nobody wants to invest in storage before there's actually a problem that needs to be solved. So, first step is to invest in solar + wind, and create a problem. 2nd step is to invest in storage now that it is becoming profitable to do so.

    3. Re:Good by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Or in the absence of grid-scale storage, we could use the German approach: wait until there's a problem, then dig enormous strip mines for spinning-reserve coal. Moah jerbs in Wyoming and West Virginia!

    4. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you know what also causes costs to skyrocket? Climate change.

      As David MacKay said, a future of doing the right thing might even be fun.

      (Look him up and/or see his TEDx for a brief introduction, "A reality check on renewables:" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0W1ZZYIV8o . He passed away a few years ago. However, he seemed to be the real deal in terms of being realistic and practicing what he preached in his personal life.)

    5. Re:Good by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      Looks like your power costs could do with a little skyrocketing.

    6. Re:Good by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Don't know much about fishing huh? It's not that the fish are going further north. It's that warmer climates have been over-fished to the point that we're moving into the actual spawning grounds to catch fish. It also doesn't help that despite treaties, there are numerous governments that let commercial fisheries operate right along the territorial limits, or catch more then is allowed by quota. Or simply black-flag companies that simply don't care(I'm looking at you Finland and China), and the governments in question simply look the other way or slap meaningless financial penalties on them.

      Seriously, do you think that average people will take high cost electricity forever without a form of revolt? Why don't you look to Ontario, where the current government has pushed your idea. An idea so hard that they will likely cease to be a political party in ~18 days.

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    7. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. As we learned from Enron, it is actually the crass manipulation of profiteers and grandstanders at fault.

      For example, the excessive costs of nuclear plants that were never intended to be built are borne by the hapless customers instead.

      It's ok, the choking smogs are not a problem either. Not when you can live upwind.

    8. Re:Good by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0

      So the costs that are being bandied about as "lower than fossil fuels/nuclear!" aren't the real costs - they do not include the requisite storage? What will the price actually be at that point, given the costs of increased "green" power is higher right now without the appropriate storage systems?

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    9. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, Mashiki, no matter how much you want to preach handouts and giveaways to get votes, the fact is that taxes are the price paid for a civilized society.

      You may mislead a lot of folks when you promise a chicken in every pot, but sooner or later the bill comes due.

    10. Re:Good by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      What will the price actually be at that point

      That depends on a lot of factors, and I'm not an expert in any of them, so I can't tell you that. Do you know the cost of fossil fuel in 10,20,30 years ? Do you know that we can rely on Russia to keep supplying Europe with natural gas for reasonable prices ? Having an alternative source of energy seems like a useful thing, even if the price is high right now.

    11. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LynnwoodRooster insists on paying for nothing, that is why he endorsed Trump.

    12. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but what are you doing about Wall Street fat cats and their sycophants in the Republican Party?

      Nothing. Because you aren't even waiting for them to pick your pocket, you are rushing to hand them everything.

    13. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, you pick a grossly biased article written by people who really do want us to live at 3rd world standards. Nigeria? Have you been there? I have; It's a fucking hellhole.

      US electrical consumption is higher because we have large population centers that are significantly warmer than all of Germany and France. The deep south is marginally habitable without air conditioning, and the southwest is uninhabitable without air conditioning. You present a deliberately, maliciously flawed argument.

    14. Re:Good by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0

      Well, I do know that we have 1.5 trillion barrels of oil in the lower 48, and it is economically viable at today's oil prices. That would be close to 3 centuries of oil reserves - plenty of time to make real movement toward either breeder reactors (quick) or fusion (slower to achieve, but reasonable with a 300 year effort). So the cost would be about what it is, today - if we had the political willpower to recover it.

      Now, Europe? Not a clue, we've been stung going to war in the Mideast to protect their oil supplies, I suggest we wean them off of Uncle Sugar and let them start acting like grown-up countries and working to stabilize their own futures, rather than constantly leaning on us to do so...

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    15. Re:Good by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0

      Which relates to the correlation between amount of green energy and cost per kWh - how?

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    16. Re: Good by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

      They provide jobs, and good paying jobs. But hey, f wad's like you hate the people you work for. Because why?: You are the animal you hate. A greedy slut that wants more as long as someone has more then you.

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    17. Re: Good by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      So it's the crass manipulation of solar and wind in Denmark and Germany that makes their power super expensive?

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    18. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nevermind the effects on environment and health. Oil is worth killing for!

    19. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, according to your previous claims, it's Brown Coal and Russian Natural Gas bottlenecks to blame. Just last week you were railing about them on your Twitter. Ok, so it was in the context of denouncing them for shutting down nuclear, but still...

      But sure, have us believe it is the wind and the sun to blame, not the fat cats reaping billions off us.

      Just look at Volkswagen, a massive conspiracy by the Greens to make the corporate headquarters order a deliberate defrauding of environmental controls all so those executives could profit.

      When will we learn? The poor and unwashed masses are totally conspiring to make themselves suffer and be oppressed! What fiends!

      So diabolical. Their plans are too masterful. Hardcore.

    20. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, yes, blessed be the creators of jobs, all the miserable peons should be denounced for not kissing the boot grinding them down.

      Everybody should remember, it was not Wall Street that caused the last major economic crisis, but everybody who believed their lies and chicanery.

      And if we wretches resent being exploited, why we're just revolting peasants.

    21. Re:Good by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 2

      What we've done in the UK is switch from coal to natural gas. That halves the CO2 emissions, and is much more flexible, it can start and stop much more quickly.

      Then you ramp up wind and solar.

      You only need storage when you get to the point where the renewable production completely shuts down the natural gas, but unfortunately we're a fair way from that. By the time that happens battery storage will be cheap, just a few pence per kilowatt hour extra for the stored electricity. There's technologies like vehicle to grid which can help with that- electric cars have pretty enormous batteries, that are mostly not used very much.

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    22. Re:Good by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      Since America is just about the worst CO2 producer, and it's households wastes the most energy, and it's people are one of the richest. They could afford to pay a bit more for green energy to help save the environment.

      You could cut back your use at the same time and it wouldn't even cost a cent more. Just an incentive to be less wasteful. You don't really need to use 3x everyone else.

    23. Re:Good by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Awesome rant, yet:

      How does that relate to the correlation between amount of green energy and cost per kWh?

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    24. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't know much about fish? Oxygen levels deplete as temperature increases. Cooler temperature fish are adapted to higher levels of oxygen and will follow cooler temperatures to avoid stressing themselves.

      That is not to say that overfishing is not a problem but it is not the only reason that fish are disappearing from traditional areas.

    25. Re:Good by e3m4n · · Score: 1

      I cant speak for him, but I have a huge understanding of this, as a former navy nuclear engineer. However, anyone talking about these issues without demanding the abolition of crypto currency and the energy crisis it is creating either does not understand, or is motivated by pure greed. Telling people to replace lightbulbs with CFL to save the planet is crap in the era of crypto currency. The amount of power cryptocurrency mining is drawing in a single day exceeds small third world countries over a year of usage. The most despicable part is that it is pure design that it requires all this power and resources to mine. It could have easily been based on something productive but instead it burns power and energy for the sake of wasting power. IMO anyone who is a fan of crypto currency yet claim to be a crusader for global warming has a special place in hell reserved for them.

    26. Re:Good by e3m4n · · Score: 1

      teslas storage system in australia seems to be doing a good job. Though IMO the best storage method should be hydrogen gas. Its portable, distributable, and burns clean.

    27. Re:Good by e3m4n · · Score: 1

      the crypto currency problem is a global one.. the USA households are not 'wasting the most energy'. Burning even a single clock cycle on crypto currency on its face is wasting energy and yet the energy it devours is enormous and grows exponentially. In 4yrs the energy cryptocurency draws, globally, will exceed the energy non-crypto sources draw.

    28. Re:Good by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      Yes, Americans are so special they are the only people who live in warm places...(What's Canada's excuse?)
      You think Nigeria is the world average for household electricity consumption? And I'm the one who is deliberately maliciously flawed?

      You could cut back (closer) to other first world country levels and then you wouldn't have to use more coal powered electricity per person than China does.

    29. Re:Good by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      Did you miss-click or something? How is that in any way relevant to what I said?

    30. Re:Good by careysub · · Score: 1

      Well, I do know that we have 1.5 trillion barrels of oil in the lower 48, and it is economically viable at today's oil prices.

      That first link has this comment about that 1.5 trillion barrel projection: "However, the estimates of recoverable oil has been questioned by geophysicist Raymond T. Pierrehumbert, who argues that the technology for recovering oil from the Green River oil shale deposit has not been developed and has not been profitably implemented at any significant scale." So maybe not really available in such quantity?

      And about that second link (which depends on speculative projections on price declines, reinforcing Pierrehumbert's point), we also see: "The water needed in the oil shale retorting process offers an additional economic consideration: this may pose a problem in areas with water scarcity."

      Tell us where all that U.S. shale is again?

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    31. Re:Good by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Aussie here - Local media are reporting that South Australia's mega battery has reduced the state's grid maintenance costs by 90%

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    32. Re:Good by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      The first thing you do when building a house is make sure its fully insulated and you do not get direct sunlight onto the property if in a hot area. Insulation works for both hot and cold climates and reduces the usage of heating and cooling. A lot of the houses in hot areas do not seem very well insulated.

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    33. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Derp, derp, "climate change"... yadda yadda yadda.
      There is no such thing as catastrophic man-made global warming, which is why they renamed it climate change.

      www.climatedepot.com
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    34. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wonder how much of that is because the Tesla system is reacting so fast they aren't able to bill it accurately, so they're getting effectively getting a large part of that energy storage for free.

    35. Re:Good by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Not all crypto-currencies require a lot of power. Proof of work like Bitcoin, sure. But there are a lot of different types out there.

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    36. Re: Good by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Okay there. Don't worry that your desire to impose communism on people is missed by people, or your desire to leave the shithole you helped create and try again.

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    37. Re:Good by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Apparently I know more about fishing then you. Especially since the oxygen levels in the water are the same as recorded ~50 years ago. The problem isn't fish fleeing, the problem is too much fishing and not allowing them to rebuild their numbers. One of the reasons for instance that Canada has been pushing fish farms and direct population of depleted stock. Maybe ask yourself why Finland is against this.

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    38. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coal and natural gas also work better with storage. Recent story about how a $55mil Tesla battery bank saved $35mil of fossil fuel in only 6 months by smoothing out demand and letting the power plants run at a more constant load.

  3. They will by xack · · Score: 1

    And it will be for crypto mining.

    1. Re: They will by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol! Probably!

      And though I'm all in for being greener, bear in mind that all of these methods involve waste or pollution (in California, the heaviest pollution actually comes from big agriculture) of some kind, even batteries, so can we please drop the sanctimonious crap coming from postage stamp-sized countries? That is the equivalent of Michigan, all on its own, presuming to enlighten your entire EU. It's obnoxious.

    2. Re: They will by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I choose to be happy when good things happen for the world, whether my team was responsible or not.

  4. What? by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Natural Gas is a fossil fuel. Who writes this stuff?

    1. Re:What? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      Hey, my gas is natural, and I'm not a fossil yet! Now get off my lawn. But before you go, pass the beans...

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    2. Re:What? by burtosis · · Score: 4, Funny

      Natural Gas is a fossil fuel. Who writes this stuff?

      Yea, but it's natural and everything natural is good for you right? Good thing we have those 30% tariffs on solar panels, they are so full of artificial chemicals that they are the cheapest power around but it just isn't worth the risk to the environment. /s

    3. Re: What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who already know that fact. But would be nice if /. readers could read...

    4. Re:What? by Halo1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's in the last two sentences of the summary:

      According to the EIA, "in February 2018, for the first time in decades, all of the new generating capacity coming online within a month were non-fossil-fueled. Of the 475 MW of capacity that came online in February, 81 percent was wind, 16 percent was solar photovoltaic, and the remaining 3 percent was hydro and biomass.

      Granted, the "Last Month" is wrong. It was three months ago.

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    5. Re: What? by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      why are you ok with Chinese workers and their environment being subjected to conditions the Left has deemed unacceptable for Americans and America??

      It's up to the Chinese to fix their own problems, not me.

    6. Re:What? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yea, but it's natural and everything natural is good for you right?

      Well, the author of the article seems to think that natural means that it is organic and vegan, and you can buy it at a higher price at Whole Foods, compared with conventional gas.

      Score one for PETG . . . People for the Ethical Treatment of Gas.

      The whole article raves about natural gas . . . but then claims that no fossil fuel based energy was added to a the grid.

      I had to face-palm myself so hard that I nearly knocked myself out!

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    7. Re:What? by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      That part of TFS stuck out to me like it was bolded.

      I kept looking for a clarification.

      One idiot said, "Hey ... it's 'natural.' "

      Goddam.

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    8. Re:What? by religionofpeas · · Score: 4, Informative

      The whole article raves about natural gas . . . but then claims that no fossil fuel based energy was added to a the grid.

      Yeah, it's very poorly written article. There are a number of separate things: 1) no gas plants were added in the month of February. 2) other gas plants will be added in the entire year of 2018. 3) no coal/nuke plants are being added.

    9. Re:What? by Sique · · Score: 1

      Natural gas is not necessarily fossil. Swamp gas for instance is Natural gas, but not fossil.

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    10. Re:What? by tepples · · Score: 1

      What fraction of natural gas used for electric generation comes from swamp gas or other renewable sources?

    11. Re: What? by burtosis · · Score: 2, Informative

      Do you know why we import these things?

      Because our environmental laws won't allow them to be made here.

      So the question is, why are you ok with Chinese workers and their environment being subjected to conditions the Left has deemed unacceptable for Americans and America??

      None made in the USA?
      Heliene – Mountain Iron, MN (U.S. manufacturing facility)
      Itek Energy – Bellingham, WA
      Mission Solar – San Antonio, TX
      Seraphim – Jackson, MS (U.S. headquarters)
      Solaria – Fremont, CA (U.S. headquarters)
      SolarTech Universal – Riviera Beach, FL
      SolarWorld Americas – Hillsboro, OR
      Suniva – Norcross, GA
      SunSpark – Riverside, CA
      Tesla/Panasonic – Buffalo, NY (U.S. manufacturing facility)

      The reason they supply so little of the American market is the same reason all other manufacturing moved offshore, labor prices. But hey, let's trash the environment and cost more jobs in installation cutbacks than the tariffs generate jobs for American manufacturers. It's all in the name of the environment.

    12. Re: What? by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 0

      According to this solarscorecard, China is the cleanest/best First and third place goes to China...

      Scale and government incentives were/are the main reason China became/is dominant.

    13. Re:What? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      What fraction of natural gas used for electric generation comes from swamp gas or other renewable sources?

      Somewhere between jack, and shit: literally 11 billion kWh from landfill gas, and 1,273 billion kWh from natgas. I'm sure you knew that, but it's gratifying to be able to find the figures.

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    14. Re: What? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      No no no, you don't get to say that! We're told that - when the inconvenient fact about US emissions dropping per capita - that it's only because we're forcing China to do the polluting for us, so it's still our fault! Remember, he who has the gold must be guilty of exploitation somewhere...

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    15. Re: What? by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      We're told that

      You don't seem like the kind of person who gives a fuck what they're told.

    16. Re: What? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      If it's not fact-based, and demands immediate action for some random reason, then I tend to be quite skeptical. How about you?

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    17. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a fraction (not much, I suspect) that isn't.

      Here in NZ we've had projects that reclaimed Methane from closed and decomposing landfills, and our main dairy producer (Fonterra) is a producer of Methane and Ethanol from dairy byproducts.

      Having said that, yes, I suspect the majority of it is fossil fuel.

    18. Re: What? by triffid_98 · · Score: 1

      that it's only because we're forcing China to do the polluting for us, so it's still our fault! Remember, he who has the gold must be guilty of exploitation

      It could be worse, last I checked we paid in cash instead of opium....that and nobody is forcing China to enforce their environmental laws about as often as the USA enforces their immigration laws.

    19. Re: What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats not the reason you are skeptical. You just like to deny if it means you still get to pollute.
      Where was it not fact based?

    20. Re:What? by e3m4n · · Score: 1

      i think fossil fuel is a name being used as a placeholder for hydrocarbons.

  5. more battery and solar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Battery and solar are good solutions.

    I am surprised there is not more motion to add batter plants like Australia's where they were able to really level out the generation requirement and feed a lot of short demand peaks with batter plants. It sure seems to add a lot of stability and efficiency to a system.

    I am surprised more houses are not getting built with solar panel roofs? How do you survive a grid outage? Have your minimum power needs meet by solar.

    Grocery stores. Big roofs, lots of constant power demand for coolers. Their insurance should really be offering them discounts for installing solar with enough capacity to keep their cold goods storage running.

    1. Re:more battery and solar by burtosis · · Score: 2

      Battery and solar are good solutions.

      I am surprised there is not more motion to add batter plants like Australia's where they were able to really level out the generation requirement and feed a lot of short demand peaks with batter plants. It sure seems to add a lot of stability and efficiency to a system.

      Part of the problem is republicans see these ideas as only half baked.

    2. Re:more battery and solar by pgmrdlm · · Score: 0

      Your bigotry is showing. Fuck off asshole, I am a republican and I completely agreed with the original poster abut Australia.Low life piece of shit fucking bigot.

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    3. Re:more battery and solar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate to burst your bubble, but Republicans like us don't matter.

      We're "RINOs" which means we're hated by self-absorbed Democrats AND we're hated by our own party for refusing to completely ignore everything we have learned in our lives and jump on the populist bandwagon.

      I imagine there's a large number of Democrats who are in the same boat. It's always going to be this way because our common sense approach to problems doesn't generate the heat needed to emotionally compromise people and sell advertising.

    4. Re:more battery and solar by burtosis · · Score: 1

      I agree completely. It's the corporate Republican Party that is sucking the corporate tit and ignoring constituents. Sane fiscally conservative republicans wouldn't have voted for the tax cuts that are poised to generate 2.5 trillion in debt over the next decade either. Dems or Republicans, or independent - vote for canidates not taking unlimited secret PAC money and even better no corporate money at all. If everyone did this the system would see immediate improvements.

    5. Re:more battery and solar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's not more attention because that shit is fucking expensive and only cost-effective in certain situations like remote areas where diesel needs to be trucked in at great expense.

      The big Tesla battery in Australia only happened because a government was panicking about losing an upcoming election over its policies that saw electricity prices skyrocket and the stability of supply deteriorate over 16 years and the and was throwing hundreds of millions of dollars around to appear to be doing something to fix the problems it singlehandedly created.

  6. cause the real clouds/weather to come back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    by ceasing our (almost all of us) constant spewage of poly petrol & other nefarious/poisonous chemicals into our atmosphere is likely the only way? cease fire stand down.. truth+mercy=justice.. see you there... that's the spirit.. in the moms we trust..

  7. Batter plants? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that where they feed fat people cookie dough (batter) and have them peddle on stationary bikes attached to generators?

  8. POTENTIAL capacity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Solar and wind can't guarantee power delivery.

  9. But but Coal! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Obama's war on Coal, especially Clean Coal, ended so all the Coal Miners should have gone back to work, and mined Coal, which is America's number one best product.

    As we all know, the sun does not work, it is only shining half the day at best, and wind can't work, the air is far too small, you can't even see it. And besides, Obama was behind it, and we all know that Obama was a Kenyan and Kenya is home to Chewbacca, and Chewbacca hates America. That is why he kept us from building our nuclear waste storage site on Tattoonine. Even though nobody except a bunch of fat, welfare moms lives there.

    In conclusion, this report is wrong. Trump's America is now coal and nuclear powered, and it is the biggest and best.

    1. Re:But but Coal! by ooloorie · · Score: 0

      Obama's war on Coal, especially Clean Coal, ended so all the Coal Miners should have gone back to work, and mined Coal, which is America's number one best product.

      Wars tend to leave countries and economies in ruin and it takes a long time to bring them back.

      As we all know, the sun does not work, it is only shining half the day at best, and wind can't work, the air is far too small, you can't even see it.

      You're thinking like an environmentalist.

    2. Re: But but Coal! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wars tend to leave countries and economies in ruin and it takes a long time to bring them back.

      Yep. All of those tragic coal mine deaths, the flattened mountains, debris-choked streams will take a while to reconstruct.

      Just remember Centralia. They paved paradise and made everybody leave.

      As we all know, the sun does not work, it is only shining half the day at best, and wind can't work, the air is far too small, you can't even see it.

      You're thinking like an environmentalist.

      Yep, the clean, environmental coal, which everybody working for the EPA now says is the best. Just ask them. If you can get them out of their safe rooms.

    3. Re:But but Coal! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why oh why does Obama keep getting blamed for the war on coal, when it was actually Adam Smith running the show? And Smith was working through the article's favorite "not a fossil fuel", natural gas (methane). Which is mainly found in... coal seams.

  10. provides no hostage twist for megasloth.obsolete? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no deposit no return just nice clean juice. plus new ignored/overlooked hydro generator designs,, makes sense but isn't happening..

  11. Re:Voting for topic by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    OT: Could you vote for this topic
    https://slashdot.org/submissio...
    that it will be published on Slashdot.

    Could you be more specific about the compounds in your blue pills and red pills? Some of us have to worry about allergies and side effects, you know.

  12. That this is seen an achievement is proof of how by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    widespread the problem is.

  13. Given the current roles of the EPA by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised that there aren't tons of coal burning plants being built or brought back online. /s

    Most of the coal burning plants around here have already been torn down, or replaced by a much smaller scale/footprint natural gas generating plants.

    There is a push for solar, and wind farms, I'd like to see more emphasis on storage.

  14. Once FOX tells the President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump will correct this oversight as soon as he is made aware of it by FOX News.

  15. Since when was Natural Gas not a fossil fuel? by Computershack · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If you're adding more natural gas generation you're adding more fossil fuel generation.

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  16. What are those giant fans? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
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    sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
  17. Start with poor people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course, doing that means we have to let poor people freeze, because your beautiful subsidized wind turbines have run up the cost of electricity significantly, and Obama's very successful war on coal has ensured that nobody is foolish enough to spend money on baseload construction. I'm sure you're happy that Saint Musk will continue to get rich off powerwalls to mitigate damage to the grid, and that poor people will pay for it.

    Go fuck yourself.

    1. Re: Start with poor people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, the poor. You sure care about them. As they grub out your coal mines where safety is ignored, and let's not forget, we need to cut their food stamps so they work harder.

    2. Re: Start with poor people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Safety is not ignored. Mining has always required creating a balance between safety and production.
      The plain unvarnished truth is that coal mining has always been a highly dangerous undertaking. All the safety regulations in the world short of closing down the mines is not going to make the job any less dangerous. Coal may be on the way out but the total lack of respect of those willing to face the danger is a shining example of the elitist and progressive bullshit that ended up getting Trump elected. People didn't vote for Trump they voted against those claiming to know what's best for everybody while simultaneously berating insulting, and dismissing, a large segment of the population. And those most upset at Trump being elected categorically refuse to understand that their ideas and behavior in support of those ideals ended up making Trump a more palatable choice. Instead of investigating Russian interference those doing the investigating need to ask themselves exactly how bad did their ideas, policy platforms, actions, and public behavior have too be for a person like Trump to look like the better choice. The losing side in the last election has so far decided to blame everyone but themselves for their embarrassing performance. Maybe they should start putting their college degrees to work for a little soul searching before they declare a large segment of the population as uneducated dolts who need to fall in line and do as they are told.

    3. Re: Start with poor people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, keep up the lies, and we'll keep voting for Trump and against your polished political thieves. And yes, my family mined coal. They really apprecaite your making their lives better by destroying their jobs and communities.

      It's not a war on coal, it's a war against rural cultures.

    4. Re: Start with poor people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, yes, people are at war with your culture. Urban people. They hate you and your community so you embrace Trump, a lying buffoon who will sell you out in a heartbeat, because...you still resent anybody from outside. Especially if they dare to criticize you.

    5. Re: Start with poor people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Safety is not ignored.

      That's right, it is not just ignored, but purposefully dismissed.

      Mining has always required creating a balance between safety and production.

      Nope. Safety doesn't matter when you can always replace the peons.

      The plain unvarnished truth is that coal mining has always been a highly dangerous undertaking. All the safety regulations in the world short of closing down the mines is not going to make the job any less dangerous.

      Nope, the real truth is that properly followed safety regulations do work, in mining and other industries.

      Coal may be on the way out but the total lack of respect of those willing to face the danger is a shining example of the elitist and progressive bullshit that ended up getting Trump elected.

      Yes, it was elitist bullshit that got Trump elected, but you mean regressive. The kind of thing that has people angrily declaring that they'll vote for the biggest buffoon just because he promises he cares enough to give them a chicken in every pot and a chance to beat up the liberals.

      People didn't vote for Trump they voted against those claiming to know what's best for everybody while simultaneously berating insulting, and dismissing, a large segment of the population.

      No, Trump is the candidate who claims to know what is best and berates, insults, and dismisses a large segment of the population. That reality may be hard for you to accept, but it is who he has been for decades.

      And those most upset at Trump being elected categorically refuse to understand that their ideas and behavior in support of those ideals ended up making Trump a more palatable choice.

      Trump a more palatable choice? Maybe those who voted for him (and it wasn't a landslide) should consider why they willingly embraced his toxicity.

      Instead of investigating Russian interference those doing the investigating need to ask themselves exactly how bad did their ideas, policy platforms, actions, and public behavior have too be for a person like Trump to look like the better choice.

      Nope. Trump needs to be investigated. He is very dangerous, and apparently worse than we realized. You may find that Trump and his supporters wish to deny it, but the fact is, they have something to hide and his recent aggressive attempts to accuse others of malfeasance only heightens it.

      The losing side in the last election has so far decided to blame everyone but themselves for their embarrassing performance. Maybe they should start putting their college degrees to work for a little soul searching before they declare a large segment of the population as uneducated dolts who need to fall in line and do as they are told.

      Maybe you need to blame yourself for your embarrassing claims to a performance that in reality, you did not achieve. Trump was only elected by the technical rules of the electoral college, not by acclaim of popular support.

      But what did he do? Immeidately boast.

      What do his supporters do? They don't try to get support for their ideas. They denounce others and indignantly declare that it is the fault of the college-educated who lost hugely except they never do any soul-searching to understand their own defensiveness do they?

      Why is Trump pulling the country apart? Why is he trying to stop an investigation? Why is he attacking others for his own political gain?

      And why do you think people are dumb enough to ignore it? Do you think I never thought Buzz Windrip was really here? There's no need to appeal to Trump's supporters, if they can't recognize his festering corpulent, incompetence, why worry?

      The tens of millions of people who didn't vote for him don't have a fanatical devotion to a self-delusional buffoon to overcome.

      Why not the easier mark?

      But hey, maybe you could heed your own message. Wait, is that the sound of the hypocritical cricket?

  18. how did that idiocy get a +1 by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 3, Informative
    How about reading all the way to the bottom of the summary...

    According to the EIA, "in February 2018, for the first time in decades, all of the new generating capacity coming online within a month were non-fossil-fueled. Of the 475 MW of capacity that came online in February, 81 percent was wind, 16 percent was solar photovoltaic, and the remaining 3 percent was hydro and biomass."

  19. Windy !! by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 0

    Look Windy, renewables are becoming less and less of your new electricity...
    2015 66%
    2016 62%
    2017 55%
    2018 36%
    No wonder your CO2 will rise this year.

    1. Re:Windy !! by careysub · · Score: 1

      Look Windy, renewables are becoming less and less of your new electricity... 2015 66% 2016 62% 2017 55% 2018 36% No wonder your CO2 will rise this year.

      Only because coal is steep decline, with natural gas picking up the slack (it produces about half the CO2 of coal, and much less of other pollutants). Actual renewable deployment is holding steady. It is fine if natural gas steps in to kill coal, the faster we get to coal zero the better.

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    2. Re:Windy !! by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      You are expected to add 21GW of natural gas, I hope you also shut down 10GW of coal to compensate? (And pretend away all the methane leaks.) Even after those plants close, you will produce more coal powered electricity than China per person. You still have a long way to go.

  20. battery by markdavis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    >"Battery, hydroelectric, and biomass facilities make up the small percentage of "other" sources "

    Sorry, but "battery" is not a "source" of electricity, it is just a storage of one.

    >"Of the 475 MW of capacity that came online in February, 81 percent was wind, 16 percent was solar photovoltaic, and the remaining 3 percent was hydro and biomass."

    Kewl! Reduction of fossil fuel usage is great for everyone, regardless of ideology or party. Energy independence, sustainability, and long-term cost control (because it doesn't "run out") are vitally important to security, peace, and the economy. Everything else is icing on an already delicious cake :)

    1. Re:battery by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but "battery" is not a "source" of electricity, it is just a storage of one.

      When it's providing energy, it's a source.

    2. Re:battery by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >"When it's providing energy, it's a source."

      And when you are charging it, it is a drain. What, will we just charge it with other batteries? I don't think that will help with actual sources of power.

      Listing "battery" as a power "source" when comparing to fossil fuels, nuclear, biomass, wind, solar, geothermal, hydro, makes no sense at all. If it is being listed as ways to improve power distribution, reliability, or even help cut costs, then great- but that is not what the summary says.

    3. Re:battery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Solly fuckwidth ... batteries store, but actually waste energy .. burning wood and sea-otters creates energy and fumes required to suffocate warmists pricks like you.

  21. Why the f... by Mnemennth · · Score: 0

    ...was this utterly ignorant article even approved for submission?

    mnem
    Alternative facts 101

  22. Fossil Fuels ??? They never existed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is it people still use the term Fossil Fuels ? This has already been proven oil is not composed of dinosaurs. There is no such thing as fossil fuels.

    1. Re:Fossil Fuels ??? They never existed. by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      No, it's compressed stromatolites

  23. ENRON DIDN'T HELP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If ENRON had not destroyed the natural gas market in 2001, it would have become the dominant energy source before 2010. Guys like Lou Pai did irreparable damage to to US economy, pocketed hundreds of millions of dollars and then walked off without a care in the world. And now, people under 30 blame our current mess on too much regulation.

  24. Re:but...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    uses scare quotes for the title president.

    I think you are the one out of touch with reality. Say it loud and say it proud: President Trump.

  25. Climate sensitivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Climate modelers made a big error on their feedback calculation. The googly-eyed Monckton fellow has done the legwork to fix it. It's quite unfortunate that he's correct. It could prevent the scientists from making the correction just to save face. who could blame them? A wacky denier fixes your mistake? How do you survive such a blow to your reputation? They'll have to find a way to "discover" their mistake and issue a correction.

  26. Nameplate or real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Neither link mentions if these numbers are only nameplate capacity or if they figure in the capacity-factor coefficient. Which is it?

  27. Re: but...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really? Has he stopped using the armed forces to protect oil supplies then?

  28. Re: but...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "Free to compete on its own" would include paying for the thousands of cancer deaths it is known to cause each year. I suspect he's not actually implementing that.

  29. Re: but...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We'd rather see them welding windmills and installing panels, but yeah, anger is fun, so... I hate you because you have different values! I hope you die!

  30. It's not fossil fuels, it's carbon fuels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is that the combustion of fuels that contain carbon produces carbon dioxide. Whether those carbon fuels come from 'fossils' like coal and petroleum (and some natural gas) or non-fossils like wood and alcohol (and some natural gas) is irrelevant.

    If we converted all automobiles to run on alcohol, the buildup of CO2 would still be a problem as burning alcohol produces CO2 (as does a natural gas like propane). The problem is combustion -- virtually every fuel we burn to produce energy is a carbon fuel, hence produces CO2.

    Now if you converted all automobiles to burn hydrogen, you have no carbon and produce virtually no CO2; but then you have to get energy to produce enough hydrogen for the current needs.

    Combustion is a dead-end technology unless you want to produce heat.

  31. If god hadn't wanted us to use coal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    he wouldn't have killed off all the dinosaurs .

    Trump will save all the miners - he will make a coal mountain art the tax payers expense.

  32. Natural gas is a fossil fuel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It might be natural, but natural gas is a fossil fuel folks. Maybe we should start calling other fossil fuels natural. Btw, gravitational adiabatic compression is responsible for the earths surface warming above space aka the greenhouse effect, not greenhouse gas. Greenhouse gas theory is incorrect (bs).

  33. Re: but...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Stop spreading BS. Coal is given subsidies by Trump. If it was "free to compete on it's own " it would die.