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FBI Seizes Control of Russian Botnet (thedailybeast.com)

The Daily Beast reports that the FBI has seized control of a key server in the Kremlin's global botnet of 500,000 hacked routers. "The move positions the bureau to build a comprehensive list of victims of the attack, and short-circuits Moscow's ability to reinfect its targets," writes Kevin Poulsen. From the report: The FBI counter-operation goes after "VPN Filter," a piece of sophisticated malware linked to the same Russian hacking group, known as Fancy Bear, that breached the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign during the 2016 election. On Wednesday security researchers at Cisco and Symantec separately provided new details on the malware, which has turned up in 54 countries including the United States.

VPN Filter uses known vulnerabilities to infect home office routers made by Linksys, MikroTik, NETGEAR, and TP-Link. Once in place, the malware reports back to a command-and-control infrastructure that can install purpose-built plug-ins, according to the researchers. One plug-in lets the hackers eavesdrop on the victim's Internet traffic to steal website credentials; another targets a protocol used in industrial control networks, such as those in the electric grid. A third lets the attacker cripple any or all of the infected devices at will.

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  1. Trump is gonna be pissed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    He'll shut this FBI operation down immediately. Putin is not going to be happy and the last thing Trump wants is an upset boss.

    1. Re:Trump is gonna be pissed. by Rei · · Score: 2

      Come on, I don't think Russians - and especially Putin - find this whole situation funny.

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    2. Re:Trump is gonna be pissed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      More interestingly, the Russian IP, the only factual piece of evidence, was for a VPN provider which kept logs. The owner said he was prepared to give the FBI whatever they wanted, but the FBI never asked.

    3. Re:Trump is gonna be pissed. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Did they ever release any actual evidence the Russians hacked the DNC?

      Mueller's investigation has been almost entirely without leaks, but it was learned that Guccifer 2.0 did in fact slip up and failed to activate his VPN client and exposed himself as being a particular GRU officer who was working out of the agency’s headquarters on Grizodubovoy Street in Moscow. This is a fact that is now accepted across the political spectrum.

      https://www.thedailybeast.com/...

      https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...

      Even the sitting President's own lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, is now working from the talking points that say that the Russian interference in the election (including the hack) was a "gift" from Russia and so it's not collusion.

      "Giuliani initially disputed the notion that Trump’s daily citing, in the final month of his campaign, of Russian-aligned WikiLeaks and its release of Russian-stolen emails constituted “colluding” with Russia.

      “It is not,” Giuliani said.

      Then he switched tacks.

      “OK, and if it is, it isn’t illegal... It was sort of like a gift,” he said. “And you’re not involved in the illegality of getting it.”

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    4. Re:Trump is gonna be pissed. by deathguppie · · Score: 5, Informative

      The FBI does not release evidence regarding ongoing investigations. That's pretty much been a mainstay of law enforcement around the world, not just the FBI.

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    5. Re: Trump is gonna be pissed. by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

      Oh you poor, poor baby. Life is so hard. Do you need a hug, cupcake?

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    6. Re:Trump is gonna be pissed. by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Did they ever release any actual evidence the Russians hacked the DNC?

      Yes. Try to keep up.

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    7. Re: Trump is gonna be pissed. by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

      Um... No. Why was this modded up? Trump isn't stupid enough to let Russian have a backdoor into millions of Americans homes. That reduces leverage and he's all about making deals. I think he paid someone to write a book about it...

    8. Re: Trump is gonna be pissed. by fafalone · · Score: 2

      Trump isn't stupid enough to...

      There's nothing you can end that sentence with that would be true.

    9. Re: Trump is gonna be pissed. by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Here's a nickel. Get yourself a proper keyboard,

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    10. Re:Trump is gonna be pissed. by Boutzev · · Score: 1

      Well, if you think about it one of the guys running Crowdstrike is "Dmitri Alperovitch". It's an Ukrainian name but I guess there are no conflicts of interests.

    11. Re: Trump is gonna be pissed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hence all the indictments and guilty pleas.

    12. Re:Trump is gonna be pissed. by Zocalo · · Score: 2

      OK, and if it is, it isn’t illegal... It was sort of like a gift,” he said. “And you’re not involved in the illegality of getting it.”

      OK, let's run with that. Since my job entails potential exposure to bribery (albeit EU based rather than US) I have to do ethics training every now and again, and I'm pretty damn sure that any non-trivial "gifts" need to be declared lest they fall foul of bribery legislation - bribes are not just monetary after all. Assuming that's similar to the US' legislation on the matter all all this does really is jump Trump out of the collusion frying pan and into the bribery fire; now he has to demonstrate that either his campaign was completely unaware of this "gift" (good luck with proving a negative) or point to wherever they declared it. On past experience, Trump doesn't seem to suffer people who cause him problems gladly, and Guiliani has required "walk backs" and "clarifications" seemingly every time he's opened his mouth on the public record since his appointment. I'm guessing he'll be gone within months, if not weeks.

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    13. Re:Trump is gonna be pissed. by ph1ll · · Score: 1

      " it was learned that Guccifer 2.0 did in fact slip up and failed to activate his VPN client and exposed himself as being ... in Moscow. This is a fact that is now accepted across the political spectrum."

      That's far from the consensus (see “Why would diabolically skilled Russian operatives operate so sloppily?”).

      The evidence of Russian hacking is either circumstantial (for example that hackers kept Moscow office hours because as we all know, hackers are famous for their 9-to-5 routine). Or the smoking gun has not been released by the consultancies the DNC is paying and government agencies who told us they had proof there are WMDs in Iraq.

      Of the two links you post, the second refers to the first and both confuse Guccifer (Marcel Lazr Lehel who is currently in a Romanian jail) and Guccifer 2.0, the alleged Russian spy.

      Now, obviously, there are going to be howls of "Russian Shill!" from ACs (see below) because I have deviated from the narrative. So, let me make it clear: it might be that the Russians did indeed hack the DNC. But the evidence that has currently been released is so weak there is at least the possibility that the whole story is an attempt to undermine the validity of the 2016 election.

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    14. Re:Trump is gonna be pissed. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      On past experience, Trump doesn't seem to suffer people who cause him problems gladly,

      Except himself. He's caused himself all of these problems by getting into bed with Putin. He thought he was a big swinging dick, but Putin is showing him how it's really done. Trump might be able to game the corporate system, but he is way out of his depth in politics. He's used to finding someone to fleece by simply moving on from the people who can see through his lies, but he can't just move on now. He actually has to deal with where he is, and Trump doesn't know how to do that and never has. That's why his fortunes are predicated upon a) impersonating a person who did not exist who claimed he owned most of his father's assets and b) running away and declaring bankruptcy over, and over, and over again.

      and Guiliani has required "walk backs" and "clarifications" seemingly every time he's opened his mouth on the public record since his appointment. I'm guessing he'll be gone within months, if not weeks.

      Guiliani is the most competent legal counsel Trump can get his hands on at this point. He might get rid of him, but if he does, he'll only wind up with someone even less competent.

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    15. Re: Trump is gonna be pissed. by terrycarlino · · Score: 2, Informative

      Guilty pleas for lying to the FBI about doing things that are not illegal. It works like this. I go to a movie while I'm suppose to be washing the car. Going to a movie is not illegal. The FBI comes up to me and says, "You know your wife says you were washing the car. Is that true?" You say, "Yes." You have just committed a felony. By the way the FBI never talked to your wife. he was lying. He's allowed to do that.

    16. Re:Trump is gonna be pissed. by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      The "Moscow office hours" evidence is especially ridiculous - Moscow's 9-to-5 is CEST 8-to-4, a perfectly typical office hour time here in Germany.

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    17. Re:Trump is gonna be pissed. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      I'm happy with more countries begging NATO for admission, as safety against Russian militarism.

      The only people Poland, Romania, and the Latvian countries want in them less than NATO are your bosses, the dictatorship Rooskies.

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    18. Re:Trump is gonna be pissed. by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      That is a bit controversial:

      https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/21...

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  2. I'm safe by I4ko · · Score: 1

    I have a home home router not a home office router. My home office is connected via a hub to the intenets.

    1. Re:I'm safe by Rei · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think Fancy Bear comes in through the data pipes, so you'll need a firewall to stop them. Which I think means you have to get firewire first? I've been thinking about having the IT out to install it, I already have a propane tank so it shouldn't cost too much? I shut my computer off at night but I know that a really good hacker could just turn it back on and get in.

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  3. Re:This is getting ridiculous by Rei · · Score: 1

    Who is saying that this botnet seizure is part of a fight against Trump?

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  4. Re: Lock Him Up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    The FBI gets caught with orders from Obama to spy on Trump and you come to this conclusion? Your deduction skills are something to behold!

  5. Conservatives are like Captain Ahab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Captain Ahab was so utterly consumed by hate that he was ready to lose everything, his ship, his crew, his own life, just as long as he killed Moby-Dick.

    Similarly, conservatives are so completely and utterly infused and consumed by their hatred of liberals that they are ready to sacrifice everything, their country, their family, the future of their planet and their children, for every opportunity to piss-off and otherwise hurt that damn liberal white whale.

    1. Re: Conservatives are like Captain Ahab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Same goes for liberals. Everyone has lost their marbles.

    2. Re:Conservatives are like Captain Ahab by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      I think you have it reverse. As Greg Gutfeld is fond of saying, "The difference between Liberals an Conservatives is that Conservatives think that Liberals are wrong, and Liberals think Conservatives are Evil." When your opponent is evil you can justify any action you take against them, including scurrilous personal attacks based on nothing and subversion of the democratic process and the law. As we have seen with the FBI, the DNC and all.

    3. Re: Conservatives are like Captain Ahab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Liberals? Nah. Sure, there are some left-wing extremists, similar to the right-wing extremists. There is a pretty significant difference, though. The left-wing extremists are fewer in number, are marginalized by the Democratic party, and have little actual power. The right-wing extremists are significant in number, run the Republican party, and hold many high offices, including the Speakership of the House, Senate Majority leadership, and the Presidency.

      So, while there are parallels in kind, there is a significant difference in threat to our country.

    4. Re:Conservatives are like Captain Ahab by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Greg Gutfeld is willfully ignorant if he thinks conservatives don't think liberals are evil.

    5. Re:Conservatives are like Captain Ahab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, the parent poster is correct. You can literally look at any conservative media and you will hear them screaming and crying about how "evil" liberals are, while liberals just shake their heads and find facts. This is also why you see the majority of conservatives on the internet openly wishing for a civil war so they can finally have an excuse to go on the killing sprees they fantasize openly about.

    6. Re:Conservatives are like Captain Ahab by benjfowler · · Score: 1

      This is totally by design. Putin's evil servants, foreign and domestic, are white-anting us by spreading fear, hatred and despair.

      We must understand the threat, and stay clear-eyed and focused.

      The partisan hatred is, in part, a Russian plot. It must not be allowed to succeed -- and people fostering division must not go unchallenged.

    7. Re:Conservatives are like Captain Ahab by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      If you question the narrative, you're unpatriotic and a pawn of the enemy.

      Where the fuck have I heard this before. Oh that's right, just before we went to war with Iraq.

    8. Re:Conservatives are like Captain Ahab by benjfowler · · Score: 1

      You are deflecting. Don't engage in the same morally-bankrupt deflection tactics as Putin and his filthy, evil propagandists.

      I hated Iraq and the neocons, as much as the next guy. Iraq didn't do shit to us, and Iraq (a Republican project -- the same Republicans who are busy fellating Putin right now, as it transpires) was no threat. It was the greatest squandering of Western power and moral authority in history.

      However, Russia DID attack us unprovoked, they spread evil all over the world, they are attacking us now, criminally and completely unprovoked. We are WELL beyond the point of retaliation. It's incredible that we've gotten this far without bloodshed.

      This is what happens when you humours and tolerate fascist dictators like Vladimir Putin, they will attack, attack, attack, until they face (kinetic) pushback. We have made a rod for our own backs by NOT hitting Putin sooner. By not doing so, we may have made large-scale war inevitable.

    9. Re:Conservatives are like Captain Ahab by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      Well, that escalated quickly.

      Yeah, let's go to war with a nuclear power, based only on the word of TLA 'assessments' and the filthy liars at the DNC and their paid consultants Crowdstrike. If James Clapper says so, it must be true.

      Holy fucking hell that is some Jonestown level kool-aid. Is that what we can expect from media matters and shareblue trolls now?

  6. Re:This is getting ridiculous by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    You did not answer Rei's question: Who is making such claims?

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  7. free Chechnya and Dagestan by Phantom+of+the+Opera · · Score: 1

    And arrest the criminal Putin.
    I wonder if the Russian trolls get in trouble for talking to people that call for Chechnya to be free.

  8. what's the score? by Phantom+of+the+Opera · · Score: 1

    5 guilty pleas, 17 indictments of people close to Trump?

    1. Re:what's the score? by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      It's weird that you count guilty pleas of someone who was working for Podesta's firm at the time. You remember Hillary's campaign manager and his brother, right?

      Of course, the firm itself was somehow allowed to retroactively file a FARA registration instead of being charged. Funny that...

      And a bunch of the indictments are for people in Russia they didn't expect to show up. Some of the companies have sent lawyers to fight the charges and have demanded their right to a speedy trial. So, let's wait and see.

    2. Re:what's the score? by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      Well they can just have fun with the Hatch Act, then.

    3. Re:what's the score? by Phantom+of+the+Opera · · Score: 1

      So Mueller, a conservative Republican appointed by a conservative Republican, is somehow involved in conspiracies of the infowars credibility level.

      Flynn's flipped and is tattling about all the naughty things that Trump & co have been up to.

      Fee Chechnya and Dagastan.
      Arrest Putin, the Criminal responsible for plundering Russia!

    4. Re:what's the score? by Phantom+of+the+Opera · · Score: 1

      What makes you think the Russian's wouldn't try to buy both sides?

      Fee Chechnya and Dagastan.
      Arrest Putin, the Criminal responsible for plundering Russia!

  9. If Trump did nothing wrong by Phantom+of+the+Opera · · Score: 1

    He should have nothing to fear.

    1. Re:If Trump did nothing wrong by Phantom+of+the+Opera · · Score: 1

      Booooga Boooga!

      Free Chencnya and Dagastan?

    2. Re: If Trump did nothing wrong by Phantom+of+the+Opera · · Score: 1

      The DNC should also be investigated, sure, but Trump's money laundering is a pretty serious offense.

  10. Re: Lock Him Up! by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 5, Informative

    The claim (by Donald Trump and others) is that Hillary Clinton approved a deal giving a Russian company named "Rosatom" 20 percent of our uranium.

    But that's not true. The Clinton State Department had no power to veto or approve the Rosatom transaction, AKA "Uranium One". It could do neither. Here’s how it does work.

    Uranium One is the name of a South Africa-based mining company.

    Back in 2007 it merged with "Urasia Energy" based in Canada. And in 2010 the mining arm of the Russian nuclear agency Rosatom, bought controlling interest in the company. Among other places, that mining company had operations in Wyoming that amounted to what the Nuclear Regulatory Commissions or the NRC said was at the time was about 20% uranium production capacity in the U.S.

    By law, when a foreign company wants to buy ANYTHING with potential national security implications, an interagency committee of the federal government must approve it. The committee was given a broad mandate under President Reagan to advise the president on foreign investment transactions.

    That committee is called CFIUS (Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States). It includes nine department heads. The Secretary of the Treasury is the chair person. The rest are the Departments of Justice, Homeland Security, Commerce, Defense, State and Energy, plus the Office of U.S. Trade Representative, and the Office of Science and Technology Policy. That’s CFIUS. The nine department heads all approved the sale of Uranium One.

    It was unanimous - not a Hillary Clinton approval.

    Also, the State Department wasn't even represented by Hillary Clinton at CIFUS. The Assistant Secretary of State, Jose Fernando, represented the State Department on CFIUS, not Hillary Clinton. And Jose Fernando stated that Clinton never intervened.

    Further, neither Secretary Clinton nor the committee as a whole could stop any deal of this kind, even if they wanted to.

    The committee members evaluate the sale of anything potentially related to national security.

    By law, if just one member objects, the president and only the president can veto such a transaction. No committee member of the nine objected.

    The whole "Uranium One" accusation is predicated on the charge that "Secretary Clinton approved the sale". She did not, and more to the point, she couldn't because the as Secretary of State, she didn't have the power to do that.

    This whole "Clinton gave away our uranium" thing is just plain bullshit.

    Go ahead, think whatever you like. Don't take my word for it. These are the facts and you can verify all of them by spending a minute or two on Google.

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  11. Re:Yes, but nothing worth mentioning by Dare+nMc · · Score: 4, Informative

    > The DNC did not at any time turn over the affected servers to the FBI or anyone else, as one might expect for such a serious crime as was alleged.

    The DNC coordinated with the FBI and federal intelligence agencies and provided everything they requested, including copies of DNC servers," Watson said. She added that the copy contains the same information as the physical server.

    So it is technically correct the DNC didn't turn over the physical hardware, but they provided a image of everything on the servers. "Everything Requested."

  12. Makes no sense by SuperKendall · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You think *Trump* will be pissed about a botnet being offline? Why exactly?

    Even if you believe the line being peddled Trump and the Russians had any connection (long since disproven by Trumps antagonizing moves towards Russia, if you really want something interesting look to Trump and China...) remember it wasn't any bot net that got into the DNC, it was phishing and social engineering...

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  13. Dutch hacked Cozy Bear security camera by UpnAtom · · Score: 1

    So the NSA knew a lot about them and their deep links to the FSB.

    https://arstechnica.com/inform...

  14. Re:Russia? by Phantom+of+the+Opera · · Score: 1

    Russia prefers chaos.
    China prefers order.

  15. Fancy Bear did what? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    The political documents walked out. They did not get moved out by a "network".
    "Former NSA experts say it wasn’t a hack at all, but a leak" (Aug 9, 2017)
    https://www.thenation.com/arti...
    "... demonstrating that 23 MB/s is a typical transfer rate when using a USB–2 flash device (thumb drive).”"

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    1. Re: Fancy Bear did what? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Naaa, cannot be. This does not fit the political narrative, so it must obviously be untrue. Lets see what the liar-in-chief tweets about it, then we will know what to believe!

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    2. Re: Fancy Bear did what? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Its a Pentagon papers like walk out due to domestic US politics.

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    3. Re: Fancy Bear did what? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      What discredited evidence? The existing forensic evidence supports the DNC "hack" was an inside job. There has been NO independently verified evidence presented to support a hack. The FBI was not allowed to examine the servers! All we have is an OPINION (that's what an assessment is) by the US government by a bunch of hand picked analysts - that goes against standard operating procedures - and the ravings of a candidate that lost an election.

      You can fuck off now.

    4. Re: Fancy Bear did what? by benjfowler · · Score: 1

      Another clairvoyant magic Russian? How do you know this? Care to explain?

      You can't. Because you are a piece-of-shit paid Russian liar.

  16. Watergate under the bridge by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    There are a few tricks played in that article. One, it doesn't matter whether Podesta himself did or didn't deny anything, it actually matters what analysis the FBI did and whether the FBI got anything.

    Two, the FBI relied on the CrowdStrike report and doesn't appear to have done any actual analysis of them. If they have HD images, it's weird that they don't just say so ("forensics" is rather vague, though it plausibly includes such) and it's sort of odd they didn't want to inspect the hardware for tampering, given that we, in fact, know of various durable hardware rootkits via the TAO catalog. You know, something we might expect a hostile foreign government to be using, given it's the sort of stuff we use when hacking them. This would actually make sense--use an advanced rootkit to actually exfiltrate data and then hide it by doing some low-grade phishing attack to explain the leaked data. But we can be quite sure that isn't what happened given that they have had so long to allege such a thing and they haven't. It will be interesting to see what, if anything, regarding this comes out in the upcoming OIG report, though.

    Also, from your own article:

    Comey said the agency never got access to the machines themselves, but obtained access to the forensics from a review of the system performed by CrowdStrike, a third-party cybersecurity firm.

    [...]

      The DNC claimed they received no direct requests from the CIA, and the CIA did not comment.

    The DNC says it cooperated with the FBI, providing information on the server through a third-party vendor.The FBI provided no comment, but then-FBI director Comey said it was an appropriate substitute.

    Explain this to me: why doesn't the Obama CIA care about Russians hacking the DNC? Is it going to be like the claim that they used Stephan Halper as an informant to "protect" the Trump campaign (their words, not mine)? If they're there to "protect" them, why not put one in Hillary's campaign as "protection" after telling us over and over that she's being targeted by Russians?

    1. Re:Watergate under the bridge by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      I get you want a conspiracy, so your trying to invent one. That article is not written about your post, it was about another false claim by the POTUS attacking Podesta, that is why Podesta is important, because the president falsely attacked him.

      There are plenty of articles, and direct statements by Comey, that those Images were analyzed by the FBI, and did suffice. The DNC did contact FBI directly about the hacked server, and it was just another hack, until a year later the emails were used to attack our democracy.
      > why doesn't the Obama CIA care about Russians hacking the DNC? I
      There was no way for the DNC to know it was Russia when they were hacked, and the CIA is not involved in domestic crimes. Until Russia released the emails to attack our democracy, their was no reason for the CIA to be involved.

      > why not put one in Hillary's campaign as "protection"

      Umm, did you read that article? The DNC hired Cloudstrike, and thus the #3 guy in the FBI to directly investigate this interference, so it sounds exactly like what happened on the RNC side. People inside the DNC reported to the FBI concerns, and the FBI investigated. People inside the RNC reported concerns over Russia interference to the FBI, the FBI investigated. The only difference is the idiots in chief wants to claim to be the victim as cover, so makes up a fake story, any smart people on the right pretend to be outraged so the dumb ones will believe it. Which one are you?

    2. Re:Watergate under the bridge by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      You're playing another one yourself. I don't care if they did as they were asked. I care if they made a serious attempt to actually investigate this. You're arguing an irrelevant point that I'm not making.

      You might think that something like a nation state attacking our democracy would be somehow important. That people would seriously do everything in their power to go over every detail.

      Yet somehow they act as if they don't give a damn about looking at the evidence. Why is that? It's funny that they just wave conclusions around and have no interest in proving them.

      Now watch Mueller try to crawl out of the indictments against all of those Russians. He's trying to get them to waive their Constitutional right to a speedy trial by dumping a few TB of Russian social media nonsense on the lawyers now. It's not likely to be successful.

    3. Re:Watergate under the bridge by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      > That article is not written about your post

      You're now complaining that your own article is irrelevant because I used it against you? Then why the hell did you try to use it to counter my point when it actually supports it?

      > There are plenty of articles, and direct statements by Comey, that those Images were analyzed by the FBI, and did suffice. The DNC did contact FBI directly about the hacked server, and it was just another hack, until a year later the emails were used to attack our democracy.

      So cite them and give me actual sources. The FBI is quoted in there and says it had "forensics" and the source admits having only second hand knowledge of the facts--claiming that persons unknown told them it was good enough. That's not evidence, that's hearsay.

      > The DNC hired Cloudstrike

      It's CrowdStrike. That's kind of an odd substitution. Does your first language not have an L/R distinction?

      And who exactly are you claiming is the #3 guy in the FBI? Your article talks about 3rd party vendors and Comey (formerly the Director of the FBI, not #3), so I think you're confused. And Comey said his staff told him things, not that he investigated anything personally, or he wouldn't have to release a statement saying that persons unknown told him that things were good enough. Like every other article on this nonsense, they're reduced to hiding behind anonymous sources. This whole damned thing has been this sort of thing--"journalists" hiding behind rumors. Sources familiar with their thinking tell me they're full of crap. Also, if we're looking at staffing, isn't it funny that they picked a company founded by a Russian to investigate Russian influence?

      Anyhow, as pointed out, I'm concerned about the fact that they never did a real investigation. They did a half-ass job of everything, which is pretty damned funny for how important they claim this is. Their own conduct proves that they're lying.

      Giving me all these third rate second hand sources when you don't even have the names right only proves that there's no there there.

    4. Re:Watergate under the bridge by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      This is the guy the DNC hired for their server and worked with Comey. Everything else you posted about is just using your own "alternate Facts" to invent another conspiracy.

    5. Re:Watergate under the bridge by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      You previously said: "The DNC hired Cloudstrike, and thus the #3 guy in the FBI to directly investigate this interference" -- when you should have said CrowdStrike.

      Now you finally name who you have in mind, something not listed in your prior source (Snopes), yet the new bio you now point to says he's a "a retired executive assistant director of the FBI" (emphasis added). His name does not appear on the report, so you haven't even bothered to prove that much.

      And even if he did, it wouldn't matter. That STILL doesn't answer for the lack of a real investigation by the US government (not 3rd parties or whoever else) into the actual technical details of this. You do not, because you cannot, refute any of the other points made, for which I actually gave sources. Your own sources don't even say what you claim they did. If they wanted a real investigation, they wouldn't be sending 3rd party contractors and retired people, now, would they? You do realize that hearsay is not admissible in court, right? The FBI agents have to have direct, personal knowledge of the investigation. Not "I heard it was okay from some guy who I decline to identify" type statements.

      It's telling that they also bungled the Clinton email server investigation. Here's an FBI document describing how they failed to maintain the chain of custody on one of them, meaning it would be hard to use as evidence. Funny how sloppy they were on such an important national security investigation, and how they could forget stuff for months. Here, I'll transcribe the relevant part because I doubt you'll read the PDF:

      As documented in ther referenced serial, on August 12, 2015 the FBI obtained a Dell Poweredge 2900, Gray Color, S/N G842PC1 from the custody of Platte River Networks and entered it into evidence as item 1B3 of the captioned investigation. The item was directly transported to the FBI Operational Technology Division (OTD) the same day. At 12:02 PM on October 20, 2015 SA [REDACTED] picked up 1B3 from OTD where he discovered the original chain of custody was missing. SA [REDACTED] transported 1B3 to the Washington Field Office and placed it into secure storage. This communication documents the loss of the original chain of custody and the creation of a new chain of custody beginning with SA [REDACTED] on October 20, 2015.

      It's funny how little they care about these "important" investigations and how quickly the media changes tunes. We went from the media saying "it's not rigged, you're just losing" to "Russia rigged the election" in a heartbeat and now you guys try to get us to forget about that.

    6. Re:Watergate under the bridge by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      If you can read the bio of Alperovitch, CrowdStrike, and of Shawn Henry who were paid $60k to investigate this server, and your only take away is that Alperovitch was a Russian plant, their is just no helping someone so lacking in intelligence and so biased to even warrant any more facts. Seriously, try and find 3 better people in the whole world to better investigate this. SAD!!! Seriously, google some history on them, and you want to claim Alperovitch is a Russian plant???? Their is just no way to overcome this level of stupid.

    7. Re:Watergate under the bridge by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      You're putting words in my mouth. I just said it was 'funny'. You hallucinated everything else on your own and then started arguing with your own hallucination.

      You've done nothing to refute the point that the feds don't give a damn about actually investigating this, because you're once again running down the tangent that 3rd parties were paid by the DNC. You point out that the DNC paid $60k for a 3rd party investigation, but hell, the FBI can spend $90k on a damned table, so you're once again are undercutting yourself by giving us more evidence that they never really cared about this investigation for some reason. Which is weird, given how important the Russia thing is supposed to be.

      Finally, once more, you did not, because you could not, respond to any of the other points I made. I'm not surprised, but yes, I will keep pointing it out.

    8. Re:Watergate under the bridge by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      Becuase you have no evidence, other than what you want to believe. You got the 3 most qualified people in the WORLD to investigate this, who did investigate it. You got the director of the FBI at the time who said they got everything they requested, you got a FBI, CIA, NSA, senate who says the Russians did this. You got a special prosecutor who has indicted 20 people and Guilty pleas by 4 high level campaign guilty pleas related to Russia, and a ongoing investigation still. But OMG I got a letter from someone not involved that we ddn't maintain a chain of evidence, and a Russian born citizen of the US, and a tweet with no source from the guy being investigated. So your conclusion is "wasn't investigated AT ALL" ???

    9. Re:Watergate under the bridge by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      > Becuase you have no evidence, other than what you want to believe.

      The shoe is on the other foot. I'm asking for evidence the feds (NOT 3rd parties) have done a serious investigation here and what evidence THEY have other than their say-so. It's ironic that, so far, I'm the only one to list any of their evidence at all and that I can remember it off the top of my head because it's a very short list for what should be a serious, federal investigation (not a 3rd party report).

      > You got the 3 most qualified people in the WORLD to investigate this, who did investigate it.

      Who you don't bother to name. Am I supposed to just assume you mean Comey, Henry and Alperovitch or are you going to bring in someone you haven't mentioned again? I assume so, because Comey admits he didn't investigate in your own article, or he wouldn't have to rely upon 2nd hand knowledge as he does when quoted in Snopes.

      And yes, my conclusion is that they haven't put forth a damned bit of evidence. You have tons and tons of rumors based on anonymous sources in the media and hardly any technical evidence to show for it. I'm not impressed by suits telling rumors to the press. I want to see hard evidence, code, etc.

      Let's compare this to the last actual nation state hacking, Stuxnet. For that, we have tons of code and analysis and testing of targets. Many people have samples of the malware and can explain how it works. It relied on multiple unknown vulnerabilities which had to be researched. There is a ton of technical content describing it.

      I haven't even seen that level of actual technical work put into this one or anything even close. It's obvious that the conclusions came first and the data afterward.

  17. Re: Russia? by houghi · · Score: 1

    China prefers the appearence of order.

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  18. Cohen's payoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Cohens payoff to the Russian hackers also isn't verified....

    Yet.

    If FBI have Cohen surveillance data, then everyone from Trump, Hannity, that Prince, the GOP fundraiser (forget his name, the one who paid his GF to have an abortion), all of them are facing jail time.

    If you don't understand how it worked, Cohen is a money launderer. He receives money people are not supposed to have (e.g. bribes, payoffs, tax dodging), and pays their bills with that money (e.g. hookers, bribes to others, property deal laundering to white cash).

    If FBI spied on Cohen, then a lot of powerful people are facing some serious jail time, and 'collusion' is the least of their worries....

    Better hope it stays 'unverified'.

  19. ..and we don't have something like it? by thexfile · · Score: 1

    Get control of the latest hacked Photoshop. :-\

  20. The group that hacked the DNC Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Last time I checked, Debbie Wasserman Schultz refused to hand over the hacked server to the FBI. They instead asked CloudStrike to look it over and do an analysis. Further, the speed at which the e-mails were removed from the server could only have been accomplished with directly attached storage (USB attached flash drive is the current best guess)... Then The e-mails started being published by WikiLeaks. After Seth Rich died in the non-robbery, Julianne Assange has put all kinds of message out about the fact that he was murdered. Seems pretty simple to me.

    1. Re:The group that hacked the DNC Really? by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      For a tech forum, you'd expect people here to not repeat obvious bullshit political points like "The DNC didn't hand a server over to the FBI" given:

      1. Real tech people know that the FBI wouldn't need the original server, they could easily work from a ghosted image, or might even be able to do what they need to do with supervised access.

      2. Real tech people know that plopping a critical server out of commission and handing it over to a third party where it would become unreachable and unusable would kill the entity relying upon it.

      But no, this bullshit that the DNC did something wrong by not closing itself down the moment it discovered it got hacked and making it impossible to continue to operate by doing something completely unnecessary for the FBI somehow keeps being repeated here over and over again.

      And you wonder why the left and centrists and, well, pretty much who isn't an eye-swivling Trumpist, is pretty much convinced that Russia's IRA has a fair number of its trolls posting to Slashdot.

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    2. Re:The group that hacked the DNC Really? by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      1. Chain of custody, understand what it is and why it's important.

      2. Continuing to use a server for handling sensitive information even after it is known or suspected of being compromised, and using convenience as an excuse is stupid. To compound it by making it an excuse to also not turn evidence over to law enforcement is beyond stupid.

      "Trust us" when there is no credibility is evidence that only a fool would believe.

  21. Fucking Big Idiots what? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
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  22. Re: Lock Him Up! by clovis · · Score: 1

    Thank you.

  23. Re:Trump keeps screwing off the FBI by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    You mean the FBI agent that texted his lover that they were going to take the down the President because they didn't like him was not an idiot? Wow.

  24. Re:This is getting ridiculous by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    It's part of the fight against Trump's boyfriend -- Vladimir 'Power Bottom Gay Clown' Putin.

  25. Re: Lock Him Up! by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    You're welcome.

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  26. Re: Russia? by Phantom+of+the+Opera · · Score: 1

    China prefers predictability.