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US Launches Criminal Probe Into Bitcoin Price Manipulation (bloomberg.com)

The Justice Department has opened a criminal probe into whether traders are manipulating the price of Bitcoin and other digital currencies, dramatically ratcheting up U.S. scrutiny of red-hot markets that critics say are rife with misconduct, Bloomberg reported Thursday, citing people familiar with the matter. From the report: The investigation is focused on illegal practices that can influence prices -- such as spoofing, or flooding the market with fake orders to trick other traders into buying or selling, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the review is private. Federal prosecutors are working with the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, a financial regulator that oversees derivatives tied to Bitcoin, the people said. Authorities worry that virtual currencies are susceptible to fraud for multiple reasons: skepticism that all exchanges are actively pursuing cheaters, wild price swings that could make it easy to push valuations around and a lack of regulations like the ones that govern stocks and other assets.

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  1. Tether? by Train0987 · · Score: 1

    Where is the criminal fraud investigation into Tether?

    1. Re:Tether? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Chill out - as soon as Goldman's stablecoin is available on the exchanges they'll execute the Tether team, but you need to have patience. Until then Tether is useful to the politically-connected.

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  2. All cryptocurrencies and ICOs are scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Are (any) fiat-currency and (any) cryptocurrency really equivalent, as cryptocurrency fans claim?
    For example, US Dollar and Bitcoin are really equals?
    Value/validity/authorization of US dollar is provided/guaranteed by US Government (and in-turn whole US Public)!
    Also, not to mention, US Dollars in any US Bank is insured by US Government!
    What authorization/guarantee/insurance is behind Bitcoin? Nothing!
    Sorry but that is the end of discussion then!

    Why do you think Satoshi Nakamoto is really hiding his identity, if Bitcoin is really such a great innovation?
    He is just someone does not like media/fan attention?
    Or, could it be really because Bitcoin (and all cryptocurrencies followed it) are actually Ponzi Schemes?
    (So he knew very well that law enforcement would come after him sooner or later?!)

    If so-called cryptocurrencies are really good innovation, why they attract so many criminals/criminal activity?
    Could it really be because, all cryptocurrencies themselves are scams, and that is why they attract all kinds of criminals/criminal activity?

    If so-called cryptocurrencies are really currency, why no company/store can use Bitcoin as currency anymore?
    Because the price of Bitcoin proved to be extremely unstable to use as a currency?
    Would the result be different, if Bitcoin replaced by any other "cryptocurrency"?
    Aren't all work the same way?

    If so-called cryptocurrencies are really money; isn't people issuing their own money, illegal already, in all countries?
    If so then, why they are still not banned in all countries?

    Or, they are not actually virtual currency but virtual investment?
    But, if they are actually investment, why we need/want them?
    What would happen to world economy, if people invested in virtual investments, instead of real investments?

    Or, all so-called cryptocurrencies are actually just a modified (made decentralized and paying variable interest) Ponzi Schemes?
    (Price of cryptocurrencies would keep increasing in the long term (by their design), so it is equivalent of paying variable interest to all long term investors.)

    Also, since all so-called cryptocurrencies are actually financial scams (Ponzi Schemes), that means, they cannot be the solution for any of existing financial problems of our world!

    As more and more people invest in cryptocurrencies, it will become harder and harder to ban their trading everywhere (because people invested in cryptocurrencies, would try to stop anyone trying to ban cryptocurrencies)!
    All cryptocurrencies need to be banned globally before it is too late!

    1. Re:All cryptocurrencies and ICOs are scams by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Nah, they don't know economics, just fealty to arbitrary authority. Nobody cares what they think, inside the crypto community or in DC.

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    2. Re:All cryptocurrencies and ICOs are scams by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Well, that fits perfectly. The criminal probe is not a real criminal probe, but a fake and scam criminal probe.

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  3. Nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The investigation is focused on illegal practices that can influence prices -- such as spoofing, or flooding the market with fake orders to trick other traders into buying or selling...

    So, just like the stock market.

    1. Re:Nothing new by Megol · · Score: 2

      Yeah, exactly as in the stock market that have rules and enforcement of those rules to reduce illegal practices that can influence prices. Exactly.

    2. Re:Nothing new by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Stocks haven't been "pieces of companies" for an awful long time now.

      What company is worth 100 years of its profits? None, in theory, but Wall street is littered with them.

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  4. US officially recognises Bitcoin? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    Does this mean the US government is officially recognizing Bitcoin as a currency? A stock?

    Or would is anything where there is "flooding the market with fake orders to trick other traders into buying/selling" a crime?

    If someone did this with kids trading cards, or something like Pokeman, or Magic the Gathering cards- would that also incite an investigation with the government? Or- is it significant that they are investigating this as it means they now "Recognise" bitcoin?

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    1. Re:US officially recognises Bitcoin? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      They are pushing it through the commodities commission, so no, not a currency.

      Plus they're happy for the capital gains taxes as people sell it for cash.

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    2. Re:US officially recognises Bitcoin? by careysub · · Score: 2

      Does this mean the US government is officially recognizing Bitcoin as a currency? A stock?

      Or would is anything where there is "flooding the market with fake orders to trick other traders into buying/selling" a crime?

      If someone did this with kids trading cards, or something like Pokeman, or Magic the Gathering cards- would that also incite an investigation with the government? Or- is it significant that they are investigating this as it means they now "Recognise" bitcoin?

      If someone sought to use them as the basis of a form of currency, using the mere fact that they are limited in number to "collateralize" accounts worth hundreds of billions of dollars, and were used to as a tool to transfer large sums of money internationally, and also led to numerous fraud schemes stealing billions in aggregate - then you bet they would. It is simply recognizing what is actually being done.

      Unregulated market trading has always attracted inventive new schemes to make money out of nothing. The difference is only that the Pokemon card scheme would never have gotten off the ground, it would not be esoteric enough to enlist devotees, and failed to have the novelty of the "mining" component wherein people could hope to profitably implement a limited production of said artifact themselves.

      The only recognition here is that bitcoin is being used as an unregulated financial vehicle subject to fraud, abuse, and to facilitate crimes. The idea about bitcoin enthusiasts that "the Fed can't do anything about bitcoin, unless they recognized it as a valid currency" is pure self-delusion.

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    3. Re:US officially recognises Bitcoin? by Megol · · Score: 2

      If the market for Pokeman (whatever that is) involved illegal market manipulation then yes, it would be investigated. Don't mistake something being so obscure or small scale that it isn't worth going after with that not being illegal. If I scam someone on $1 then I have committed a crime but it isn't likely the scammed person/group would bother to report it , and it isn't likely to be prioritized over other investigations if it is reported.

  5. Wild Wild West by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Straight outta the pennystock playbooks before the SEC finally brought the hammer out.

    1. Re:Wild Wild West by Train0987 · · Score: 2

      What hammer? Penny stocks are still a real thing scamming thousands every day. Ironically the biggest hit to the OTC market has been crypto gambling. Younger generations are losing their money there instead of penny stocks.

    2. Re:Wild Wild West by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The SEC banned a lot of the most egregious of practices (for example, filling up the order books with fake buy/sells). Check out the book Momo Trading. One of the traders interviewed explains the practice and how most of his strategies are no longer allowed on the stock exchange. It's very clear that his strategies (and probably he himself) are just doing it in crypto these days since there's absolutely no regulation.

  6. Re:Investigating price manipulation of fake curren by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    At least the GTA cops would be unable to shoot real black boys. Sounds like a good idea.

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  7. Re:Obviously it's manipulated by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    A bunch of bureaucrats will get paid USD and if they're lucky they will expand their legal power.

    Everything done in DC is a jobs program for DC and growing that program is job one. If you understand this, almost everything else makes sense. If you think it's to benefit the citizenry, like 7th-grade social studies teachers profess, then almost everything is baffling.

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  8. Re:Investigating price manipulation of fake curren by careysub · · Score: 2

    If it led to people actually dying in real life you bet they would.

    Cryptocurrency frauds and thefts have actually taken billions of dollars from people's pockets.

    A valid comparison to Grand Theft Auto would be the schemes for accumulating and manipulating currencies that only exist in videogames and are not convertible at all the real money.

    A good comparison is the Linden Dollar in Second Life. No one regulates the Linden Dollar - but the Linden Dollar does not leave the game, and is not convertible to hard currency. There is a limited Linden Exchange in which players can buy and sell Linden Dollars from each other, exactly like trading cards.

    But you will notice that "loot boxes" purchased with real world money are now being treated as regular gambling in many places.

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  9. I’m confused by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

    I thought they ruled these as property.

  10. This was inevitable by hAckz0r · · Score: 2

    This was the inevitable outcome of permitting electronic currency trading on the investment market. These guys are idiots for even allowing this trading to happen!

    The users of any electronic currency want a currency to be stable so that it gets wide adoption and every one can be comfortable with using and saving it for retirement, etc.

    The market investors want the currency to be unstable. If the currency was stable nobody could fleece any money out of all the other traders, so the investment market desires the currency to be unstable.

    The problem is the currency only has a subjective value based upon what other people think it is worth, and that value is always going to be undermined by the investment market where big chunks of currency can be gamed to force market swings, which is exactly what the users do not want!!!

    1. Re: This was inevitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thank you for voluntarily proving the point made here, though that is not exactly what you thought you were doing at the time.

  11. Re:Investigating price manipulation of fake curren by sjames · · Score: 1

    No one regulates the Linden Dollar - but the Linden Dollar does not leave the game, and is not convertible to hard currency.

    Don't be so sure.