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Facebook Accused of Conducting Mass Surveillance Through Its Apps (theguardian.com)

A court case in California alleges that Facebook used its apps to gather information about users and their friends, including some who had not signed up to the social network, reading their text messages, tracking their locations and accessing photos on their phones. The Guardian reports: The claims of what would amount to mass surveillance are part of a lawsuit brought against the company by the former startup Six4Three, listed in legal documents filed at the superior court in San Mateo as part of a court case that has been ongoing for more than two years. The allegations about surveillance appear in a January filing, the fifth amended complaint made by Six4Three. It alleges that Facebook used a range of methods, some adapted to the different phones that users carried, to collect information it could use for commercial purposes.

"Facebook continued to explore and implement ways to track users' location, to track and read their texts, to access and record their microphones on their phones, to track and monitor their usage of competitive apps on their phones, and to track and monitor their calls," one court document says. But all details about the mass surveillance scheme have been redacted on Facebook's request in Six4Three's most recent filings. Facebook claims these are confidential business matters. It has until next Tuesday to submit a claim to the court for the documents to remain sealed from public view.

93 comments

  1. When its free by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    everyone is the product.

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    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    1. Re: When its free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google has a mobile platform specifically for this purpose yet we keep talking about Facebook.

    2. Re:When its free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      everyone is the product.

      The product strikes back!

    3. Re:When its free by mjwx · · Score: 2

      everyone is the product.

      Not always.

      Things like Steam are free, you can use steam and not spend a single penny on the Steam store.

      I'm gathering from your sig, you're an Aussie (likely 30's or 40's). I'm an Aussie of similar age who lives in the UK now. Today, is GDPR day. This means that all those scummy companies passing your details around like the town bike are no longer permitted to do that without express consent. As such up until today I've been receiving a plethora of emails and popups, they've come in two types:
      1. We're not compliant with the GDPR, please click here so we can continue spamming you.
      2. We're complaint with the GDPR, we're just letting you know.
      Steam was the latter (along with Singapore Airlines) whilst facebook was the 2nd worst of the former. The good thing about GDPR is that I've been able to tell facebook that they cant ID me in photos or pass my details along to 3rd parties.

      In case you're wondering, Green Motion Rentals was the worst. They've emailed me straight for 2 weeks, 3 last night, even trying emotional blackmail.

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    4. Re:When its free by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Sure, Steam is free. But the whole point of Steam is that it's a store. Some products are free, but the vast majority of the products in the store require payment. If you're looking for good examples, you might want to try GIMP, or other free software tools. They are completely free, and don't even ask for your money. There's a small donate link on the top of their page, but you don't even see it unless you go looking for it.

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    5. Re:When its free by mjwx · · Score: 2

      Sure, Steam is free. But the whole point of Steam is that it's a store. Some products are free, but the vast majority of the products in the store require payment. If you're looking for good examples, you might want to try GIMP, or other free software tools. They are completely free, and don't even ask for your money. There's a small donate link on the top of their page, but you don't even see it unless you go looking for it.

      Well that was my point. Steam isn't using your personal data to make money, they're making money by selling you games and by selling their services to game makers. They're open and honest about what they're doing and how they're doing it. Pretty much the polar opposite of Facebook.

      My point about the GDPR is that everything has been updating their policies in reaction to its enforcement, Steam has had a single popup saying "we're already complaint" with an OK to get rid of the dialog box, not an "I accept" button that everyone else has been featuring.

      Also, if you buy games that use steam via physical media, you still don't need to provide any payment details to Steam.

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    6. Re: When its free by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Sad thing is...as far as I know, in the US for a private company, this is not actually illegal.

      Hell, companies like Acxiom have been doing this for decades before there was such a thing as Facebook.

      FYI, the Feds actually used their services after 9/11....

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    7. Re:When its free by sacrilicious · · Score: 1

      When it's free, everyone is the product

      Agreed. NOT that this valuable litmus test should be taken as an excuse for Facebook, just a warning to the wary. We, the public, need governmental/regulatory protection from predatory practices, even free ones. If a corporation hands out poisonous muffins, it's not legal or ethical to do so simply because they're free.

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  2. no shit, sherlock. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    their 'privacy policy' and use terms literally assure you that they do this.

    1. Re: no shit, sherlock. by viperidaenz · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think their claim is they do this without permission, by having their app preinstalled on phones and collecting data from people without Facebook accounts.

    2. Re: no shit, sherlock. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Permissions is a very gray area because many friends may have different privacy settings then yours. Sharing messages with someone who declined to share may end up sharing anyway from the messages they sent to someone who set their privacy settings to share. Sort of a end around for Facebook who didn't collect from the person who didn't allow but rather collected the same from a friend who did.

    3. Re: no shit, sherlock. by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      There's also the matter of whether clicking an "I agree" button (mandatory or the app doesn't work) constitutes actual agreement.

      Agreement with 100 pages of dense legal jibberish. Jibberish that no one, ever, has read in its entirety. Agreement with completely one-sided terms. Terms that can be fairly summarized as "fuck you pleb, you lose, we always win, you have no rights, all your data are belong to us, fuck you pleb".

      No responsible court would uphold such a flimsy assertion. But hey - this is Soviet America, and the judge might really *need* a new Tesla. Or perhaps a new yacht.

      Or if the judge wants to play hardball.... well, Facebook *is* essentially a blackmail database. I'm sure the judge could be persuaded that even FB's most villainous practices are fully badlawful.

    4. Re: no shit, sherlock. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's also the matter of whether clicking an "I agree" button (mandatory or the app doesn't work) constitutes actual agreement.
      Or if the judge wants to play hardball....

      There's also the matter of Pedophile Pastor Peen clicking his dick and playing with his hardballs.

  3. analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook: "So how R U doin', babe?"
    Girl: ???
    Six4Three: "He's a dawg. He just wants to f*** you and move on to the next girl."
    Girl: !!!
    Facebook: "Dude! I'm tryna' get laid here. Stop saying that so loud!"

  4. I take it there's evidence? by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 1

    It'll be interesting to see how this plays out in like, twenty or thirty years. Yawnnn...

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    1. Re:I take it there's evidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It'll be interesting to see how this plays out in like, twenty or thirty years. Yawnnn...

      And we thought that the SCO debacle ran on and on. Or the Apple Samsung saga. Or... so many useless cases, so many enriched lawyers.

  5. Great... by Dins · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're being accused. Great. But nothing will be done about it and they'll carry on like it never happened. I wish I was more believing, but the skepticism has been drilled into me by years of nothing happening to them.

  6. EU Privacy Law by MS · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... and then people wonder why the EU passes a law to protect our privacy.
    It is high time that this habit to gather private data of those big companies gets tightly restricted.
    I'm sure, other countries around the world will follow.

    1. Re:EU Privacy Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .. it's not like 'restrictions' will actually stop the data harvesting, either.

    2. Re:EU Privacy Law by MS · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're so wrong in so many ways:
      - the new privacy law is nothing more than a harmonisation of different existing laws already in effect since 1996 and subsecutive modifications (the european guideline law was from 24. october 1995)
      - in 1995 there was no Google, facebook, Twitter or WhatsApp.
      - till today the european laws were applicable only to european individuals and companies
      - you cannot compete, if your competitor does not respect the same rules
      - the big data collectors are all outside the EU, so they had to be included too in this new law, as soon as they do business with EU-citizens

      Let's talk about the effects of this new law in a few years - I'm sure he US will follow too.

    3. Re:EU Privacy Law by MS · · Score: 4, Informative

      I suggest this read for some enlightenment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    4. Re:EU Privacy Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think you're immune to following the laws somewhere just because you're nominally existing outside the jurisdiction, you - and Fecesbook - are sorely mistaken.

      Legislators and sovereign states are literal judicial 800lbs gorillas. Do not even think of fucking with them, because these are the ones who write the damned rules. If they decide to shut down your operations and impound all your assets they can find, you have no recourse. Good luck taking them to court when they even have the power to write post ex facto laws.There is no end to the number of ways they could make your life absolutely miserable even if you never set foot within their physical grasp.

    5. Re:EU Privacy Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have always said that data about you should be legally owned by you with only very weak exceptions, and your data in the hands of third parties should also legally be owned by you. Your Fourth Amendment rights should apply to all of this data.

    6. Re:EU Privacy Law by MS · · Score: 1

      You're posting as AC, as you know you're writing bullshit?

    7. Re:EU Privacy Law by MS · · Score: 1

      ?!? Did you actually read the law you're commenting about?

    8. Re:EU Privacy Law by MS · · Score: 3, Informative

      You've got it wrong. Did you actually read the law?

      1. Mom and Pop shops do not need a DPO, that's requested only for businesses with a staff of at least 10 persons. And that DPO does not have to be full-time. Quoting the name of the owner is enough.
      2. IP-addresses are private data only when tied to a name. A simple line in a logfile with an ip-address does not constitute private data.
      3. Usually you don't keep backups forever, but only for the last week or so. Also data may and should be preserved for a limitation period. So that's a non-issue.
      4. You know if your have the server in your house, or if your hoster is in the EU. And if you don't know, you could ask, where the data is physically stored.
      5. I don't see a violation, if I (european) visit a foreign webpage, and that visit gets recorded in the relative logfiles. When I go to a foreign country, I have to respect their laws - the same I have to drive on the left, when I wanna drive a car in GB, Australia or SouthAfrica. If you (US-american) come to Europe, you have to play to EU-rules.

    9. Re:EU Privacy Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If my website is in the US, the EU law is so broadly sweeping that I can be sued for it, even if I do zero business with the EU.

      This is only going to hurt them.

    10. Re:EU Privacy Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, as if I'd never bother with creating an account in a sewer like this. And btw, "Bullshit" doesn't mean "OBJECTION!; it's devastating to my case!"

      But if you think fucking with the legislation or it's friends is advisable, go a head. You can always have a chat with Kim Dotcom about it. The EU isn't nearly as corrupt as the US, but I wouldn't count on them taking anyone challenging their authority that much kinder.

    11. Re:EU Privacy Law by MS · · Score: 1

      The problem is, that it's the other way round. US companies don't care to pay taxes in Europe. In Italy for example AirBNB should pay a 20% tax on bookings made through its portal since June 2017, but AirBNB responded: "no we don't pay taxes in Italy - we're a US company". But AirBNB doesn't even disclose who got bookings, so the taxing authority has no means to collect the taxes directly at the hosts. Italy is toothless. Same in France: there AirBNB even offered the hosts a foreign credit-card, so they can collect the money without a bank-account and evade taxes. In my opinion, companies that don't respect local laws should be outlawed, and portals like AirBNB obscured in whole of EU.

    12. Re:EU Privacy Law by MS · · Score: 1

      Bullshit

    13. Re:EU Privacy Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately that is what is being widely reported, and is also on the DGPR's official page. Go look it up.

    14. Re:EU Privacy Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, I see, we actually seem to be kind of in agreement.

      My point is that this will eventually change. No authority can in the long run accept getting ignored or circumvented. And the more businesses like AirBNB, FB et al thumb their collective noses at the law, the sooner there will be a clampdown.

      The difference seems to be that you think there is nothing the government side can do about it, while my point is that once the gloves comes off, there is nothing it can't do, including sending authorized assassins after you. All they have to do is pass a law that that says they are legally allowed to do so. (That's an example, not necessarily a prediction.)

    15. Re:EU Privacy Law by MS · · Score: 1

      I'm from Italy. Our government is paralyzed. Same in other EU-countries: our presidents pull the tail in the face of the overwhelming power of the United States. When Angela Merkel discovered that the US intelligence was eavesdropping her mobile phone, all she had to say was "that's not polite".

      Those few state presidents, that do/did have the balls to object to the US supremacy and its economic interests are not living in peace: see Saddam, Gaddhafi, Assad, Putin, ...

    16. Re:EU Privacy Law by MS · · Score: 1

      Where's the "official" DGPR's page? Please give me a link and show me the section that confirms your allegation.

      The EU-law protects EU-citizens privacy. If you are from the US and don't do business with EU-citizens you're not affected.

    17. Re:EU Privacy Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm from Italy. Our government is paralyzed

      Nothing out of the ordinary there then.

      There's a big difference, however, between the relations with your biggest and most influential ally, and a bunch of arrogant corporations. And don't confuse Europe with Saddam and the rest. Europe has a whole lot more muscle than any of those, including Putin, despite what he wants everyone to believe.

      Besides, the more the US alienates itself from the rest of the world, quite logically, the lonelier it will get. I know a lot of Americans thinks they can do well without the rest of the world, but they are wrong. Getting cut out from the European economies, which is about as large as the US and much, much larger than the Russian, would really hurt. Eventually the corporations will be brought to heel, unless they manage to corrupt Europe as badly as they have corrupted the US first. Time will tell. So far, there have already been plenty of hefty fines aimed against misbehaving big business; I don't foresee an end to that any time soon, and I wouldn't recommend trying to press any further.

  7. sold (out) to how many security services by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't be surprised if Face Book has a FSBook office, a PLAybook and a FaCIAL book, among many sovereign renters.

  8. libtards realizing there is a price for selling .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like the liberals are getting a taste of what they're peddling on everyone. At least the EU is more conservative and careful on the matter, for now..

  9. Improper Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like improper use of a computer to me. How many years jail is that?

    1. Re: Improper Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idk let me call my son

    2. Re: Improper Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I heard it's zero if there was no intent

  10. Ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That the country that not 30 years ago was praising itself for not having checkpoints at every county (seriously, that is what teachers were saying in the 1980s as part of their anti-Soviety schtick) or pervasive surveillance as in East Germany is now doing surveillance and checkpoints of the kind those two regimes had wet dreams of someday having available. And nobody seems to remember it well enough to question American conduct or the blatant hypocrisy of the change in direction the country has taken in the past 30 years.

    1. Re:Ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are checkpoints at every county?

      Cite your source for that, sir.

    2. Re:Ironic... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC East Germany had internal checks on approach to the Restricted zone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    3. Re: Ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the fuck does that have to do wit the US? We don't have those checkpoints. That's a lie.

    4. Re: Ironic... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC the US captures every drivers face, passenger face and front/back license plate in most of the interesting states.
      Social media tracking is just one part of larger digital databases.
      See the Domain Awareness System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... too AC...

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  11. Not a shocker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am not at all shocked by this. You create a free social service attracting millions and you have a gold mine for obtaining information on people. We are finally waking up to this.

  12. Re:You are always the product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow, 4chan retards complaining on /. about people being reddit. The irony.

  13. Let's count how many retards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    show up to defend Facebag by going "JUST DONT USE IT BRO", and completely ignore the unambiguous "including some who had not signed up"

    1. Re:Let's count how many retards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      show up to defend Facebag by going "JUST DONT USE IT BRO", and completely ignore the unambiguous "including some who had not signed up"

      You're (intentionally?) missing the point. If people didn't use it, there wouldn't be a Facebook to collect the data of non-users. They derive their profit from the endless supply of sheep who give every detail of their lives to it. There would be no Facebook if people didn't sign up for it or at least would stop using it now that it is clear what it really is.

    2. Re:Let's count how many retards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you missed the last facebook article here. Those people are advising everyone who doesn't want FB to simply not use it, and ignoring they are the ones *facilitating* it. But their advice to you --if you don't want to be affected-- is to "not use it". While they use it. Which either directly or indirectly affects you.

      IOW they don't really give a shit if FB is doing this to them, or to you, or how it affects you. And they're not sentient enough to comprehend anything else.

    3. Re:Let's count how many retards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The advice is for everyone not to use it. Well sure you can find people saying anything you want, but most anti-facebook people recommend that nobody use it, because of the privacy clusterfuck it implies.

      Starve the beast and it will die.

    4. Re:Let's count how many retards by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Your argument would be more believable if the slogan didn't include the word "Just". Consider the difference in meaning between:
      "Just don't use it, Bro".
      and
      "Don't use it, Bro!".

      Even "Friends don't let friends use Facebook" is too weak a statement. I'll admit that "Burn it down and salt the earth!" is a bit too strong, however.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  14. Re:NAZI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm waiting for the Lisp reich myself. Mind you anything would be better than the Algol reich so you just might be onto something.

  15. Slashdot - I do not accept by johnsie · · Score: 1

    There is no post about GDPR, but Slashdot now has popups regarding the privacy policy. When I click "I do not accept" nothing happens. Shouldn't that button redirect me away from the site or something. So far I've only given GDRP authorisation to my local library.

    1. Re:Slashdot - I do not accept by johnsie · · Score: 1

      still seeing a bunch of tracking cookies even though I didn't accept.

    2. Re: Slashdot - I do not accept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm, i dont get any popups to accept or reject

    3. Re: Slashdot - I do not accept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you running Lynx?

    4. Re: Slashdot - I do not accept by Gort65 · · Score: 1

      Have you got Ublock Origin and set Dynamic Filtering on (Advanced User setting on), then blocked consensu.org? ;)

  16. Re:You are always the product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh, but of course.

  17. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    America was reading telegrams since the 1920. Not a few, but the Whole Take.

    Read Bamford about NSA.

  18. Assuming this is true.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Congratulations, Facebook users.You voted for this. Well done.

  19. wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    shocker

    and home automation widgets like Alexa, google assistant et al don't listen and try to market to you either.

    1. Re:wait for it... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      The thing is, those gadgets only listen in the spaces controlled by the people who installed them. I can avoid them.

      Facebook, though, ... perhaps I should reconsider. Perhaps "Burn them down and salt the earth!" isn't too strong.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  20. Re:You are always the product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's because you didn't actually say anything so there's nothing to refute. You have spewed forth useless drivel which is worth less than the bandwidth used to transmit the text. Please, stop using computers for the good of everyone. Really, I'm not joking. Stop. Forever.

  21. FB cockroach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (Facebook claims) these are confidential business matters.
    My ass, sunshine on cockroaches and they scatter.
    FB has the $ to buy off all the politicians and judges it needs to.
    Ironic the very next slashdot article is:
    "Is Cockroach Milk the Ultimate Superfood?"

  22. Yep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But to their noodle brains it was, 'doing research', or, 'training our algos', the delusional creeps. The tech companies of the early 2000s will go down in history as 21st century rail barons and colonialists. Someday we will look back at their non-existence and shake our heads, hopefully sooner rather than later.

  23. Corporations first by DogDude · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the US, corporations, literally, have more rights than individuals do. That's just the way it is, and that's the way it will be until bribery of our politicians is made illegal. Until that happens, nothing will change.

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    1. Re:Corporations first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not just bribe them more the other way? It's not hard, and there are plenty of people with the cash to do it. So why isn't it being done? Either it's bullshit, or people don't want it. But it's NOT because you can't pay them off, by your own point. So, problem solved. It's like this on purpose. Get used to it?

    2. Re:Corporations first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest bribing politicians to make bribery illegal.

    3. Re: Corporations first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lay off the crack, Charlie.

  24. Re:You are always the product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a clear point, you're just too stupid to understand.

    If it's a payed service ... you are still the product. Your data is more valuable than the token amount you pay per month.

    The chanverse is the only bit of the internet worthy of the name. You might feel entitled to it, but you're here only so long as your data is worth money to jews.
    Once that is no longer the case, once the ad bubble pops, you're fucking gone.

  25. Re:You are always the product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please explain why anyone is paying you to post here?
    You've said only stupid shit or shit everyone here already knows.

  26. Re:You are always the product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And yet AHuxley's obvious falsism is upvoted to the max. Nice lack of self-awareness slashbot/redditard.
    Is there even any of the old-guard left? They'd have been furious about all this surveillance crap.

    As for "why is anyone is paying you to post here", that's actually a much deeper question than you can understand. Basically it's because the modern economy is so massively productive, that it's oversupplied thousands of times over, yet we haven't been able to decouple the "work day" from people's actual needs.
    As a result of Smithsian division of labor there are millions of alienated young men sitting around doing jobs that have been subdivided to the point of pointlessness, and far below their ability. (In before lolbertarian, hurrr just start your own business bro).
    I finished my useful work in one hour, but because of said factors out of my control, I have to sit here and shitpost for many more hours to collect my wage. What can be done about it.

  27. Re:NAZI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ICWYDT

  28. Re:NAZI by HiThere · · Score: 1

    Algol wasn't that bad. I rather liked it. Of course, I also liked Forth... but Lisp was too expensive for me to more than try until I'd already started on C++... and I never really did get into it, though I've installed SBCL a couple of times.

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    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  29. Cat Food by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    "My wife and I took a random subject we had NEVER every talked about or searched online, and talked about it while her iPhone was on in the background. Two days later, our Facebook advertising completely changed over to cat food for a few days. -Neville"

  30. First be evil by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Look, we could all see this coming.

    The major difficulty is that, except for the EU (GDPR), UK, Scotland, and Canada, very few US states have privacy rights to any extent, but now that other countries are willing to enforce data protections for their citizens who may travel in, work in, or live in the US, everyone is having to get real about the devil's bargain FB presented.

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  31. Re: Moscow Donald - Treason by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

    Look - a squirrel!

  32. Re: Moscow Donald - Treason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look - its pedophile pastor peen!

  33. Re: Moscow Donald - Treason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're really a big fan of the Reverend. Maybe you should write him a love poem.

  34. Re: Moscow Donald - Treason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > You're really a big fan of the Reverend. Maybe you should write him a love poem.

    Hey, Pedo-Pastor why do you keep posting AC and talking in the 3rd person? You aren't fooling anyone.

  35. Re:NAZI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only problem with Algol is that we're not using it.

  36. Re: Moscow Donald - Treason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does trump have anything to do with this story? By the way he is a better president than any of the other candidates. And much better that that never did anything Hussain obama