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US Reaches Deal To Keep Chinese Telecom ZTE in Business (reuters.com)

The Trump administration told lawmakers the U.S. government has reached a deal to put Chinese telecommunications company ZTE Corp back in business, a senior congressional aide said on Friday. From a report: The deal, communicated to officials on Capitol Hill by the Commerce Department, requires ZTE to pay a substantial fine, place U.S. compliance officers at the company and change its management team, the aide said. The Commerce Department would then lift an order preventing ZTE from buying U.S. products.

ZTE was banned in April from buying U.S. technology components for seven years for breaking an agreement reached after it violated U.S. sanctions against Iran and North Korea. The Commerce Department decision would allow it to resume business with U.S. companies, including chipmaker Qualcomm Inc.

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  1. MAGA by jader3rd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Make America Great Again. That President Trump sure goes out of his way for the forgotten people of America.

    1. Re:MAGA by olsmeister · · Score: 2

      This will keep thousands of Chinese from losing their jobs, meaning they won't try to illegally immigrate to America. You have to see the big picture here.

    2. Re: MAGA by aliquis · · Score: 2

      I'm as racist as necessary but I want to sarcastically say:

      Yeah I'm sure a bunch of Chinese former ZTE workers would be such a loss for US of America.

      Oh noz. The engineers are coming! STOP IT!

    3. Re:MAGA by sinij · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Make America Great Again. That President Trump sure goes out of his way for the forgotten people of America.

      What do you think going to happen to US agricultural sector when China inevitably retaliates for US torpedoing ZTE?

    4. Re:MAGA by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

      This will keep thousands of Chinese from losing their jobs, meaning they won't try to illegally immigrate to America. You have to see the big picture here.

      True enough. And this will actually save the US a bunch of money as building a wall across the Pacific would be *really* expensive - unless Trump could get China, or Mexico, to pay for it.

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    5. Re:MAGA by mspohr · · Score: 5, Informative

      Trump suddenly became concerned about all of these Chinese employees right after China made a big investment in one of his hotels.
      "Meanwhile, the South China Morning Post reported last week that the Chinese government will provide $500 million in state loans to build MNC Lido City, a resort and theme park project in Indonesia that will include a golf course and hotels marked with the Trump name.
      We have a new level of corruption.

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    6. Re:MAGA by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Informative

      Make America Great Again. That President Trump sure goes out of his way for the forgotten people of America.

      What do you think going to happen to US agricultural sector when China inevitably retaliates for US torpedoing ZTE?

      Of course, this actually has nothing to do with the Trumped-up trade war with China. ZTE is in trouble with the US because they illegally shipped telco equipment to Iran and North Korea, broke US law and lied to the US Government. From Secretary Ross Announces Activation of ZTE Denial Order in Response to Repeated False Statements to the U.S. Government

      In March 2017, ZTE agreed to a combined civil and criminal penalty and forfeiture of $1.19 billion after illegally shipping telecommunications equipment to Iran and North Korea, making false statements, and obstructing justice including through preventing disclosure to and affirmatively misleading the U.S. Government. In addition to these monetary penalties, ZTE also agreed a seven-year suspended denial of export privileges, which could be activated if any aspect of the agreement was not met and/or if the company committed additional violations of the Export Administration Regulations (EAR).

      Now our President wants to let them off the hook because "reasons".

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    7. Re:MAGA by sinij · · Score: 2

      Do you think it would make any difference if China produces equally plausible-sounding excuse for retaliation on agricultural sector?

    8. Re:MAGA by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 2

      Finally SOMEONE notices the 1/2 BILLION dollar elephant in the corruption!

    9. Re:MAGA by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      Do you think it would make any difference if China produces equally plausible-sounding excuse for retaliation on agricultural sector?

      From a practical stand-point no, you're correct. Bu the ZTE sanctions have a legal, supportable basis, where the Trump trade war and tariff are just Trump stroking his ego and pandering to his base -- who will suffer China's targeted retaliation to the US agricultural sector. I have zero sympathy for them. They wanted and voted for this clown and they can reap what they sowed. (Be careful what you ask for, you may get it.)

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    10. Re: MAGA by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      He is at least a little different than many of the other scatological marvels in Washington. It seemed like enough of a different lever to pull for a lot of American voters that they did it. A lot of the loudest shrieking is even still coming from 'inside the beltway' which indicates actual progress.

      What's with your scat obsession, btw? Is it trendy to be a potty mouth?

    11. Re:MAGA by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      That and, I'm sure, this helped change Trump's mind:

      Trump's controversial ZTE order came days after the Chinese government provided millions to a Trump Organization-tied project

      Within three days of the Chinese government agreeing to provide $500 million in loans to an Indonesian theme park that the Trump Organization has a deal to license President Donald Trump's name to, the president stunningly ordered sanctions be rescinded against a major Chinese telecom company.

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    12. Re:MAGA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and to think nearly-but-not-quite 50% of the voters in 2016 picked this fuckhole thinking he'd be different then, oh I don't know, how he's been his entire life

      bunch of fucking idiots

      Of course I blame most those who voted for this disaster. Fake news may have actually occurred but people had the ability to find the truth, if tried. I also blame those who didn't vote. They could have so easily stopped this, but they didn't.

      Republicans at work bend themselves in pretzels while pretending they aren't to defend their vote. They believe, even now that Hillary was worse. I hate to say it but I think this being indoctrinated with a religion from youth seems to somehow allow them to just believe even when the facts point in a completely different direction.

      Hillary would have respected the unwritten norms and rules that keep our country stable, and if people don't believe that, well see every attempt to persecute Hillary in the last couple decades. She wouldn't have had a choice. If she did 1% of the crazy arse shit Trump pulls we would see a real witch hunt that would make Benghazi look like a tempest in a teacup.

      For republicans it is okay if a republican:

      1. Says sports stars should get the fuck out if they don't salute the flag, regardless of the point they are trying to make. Basically I think this whole thing was a way to smack down the "uppity black men". Regardless we don't fight for false patriotism. We fight to preserve our actual freedoms, which includes protesting things you don't agree with. If Trump doesn't like it then he can get the fuck out.

      2. Says the press is all fake news, repeatedly, over and over again, particularly the ones that are doing actual reporting against him.

      3. Tries to attack his political enemies using the powers of his office. Dig up dirt on those investigating him. Force his own investigatory agencies to turn over evidence into his own investigation. Stop mergers of companies that have news services opposed to him. Try to double the rates of a business linked to news services that go after him.

      4. Does thousand of lies in a relatively short time. Remember how they persecuted Obama for over simplifying if you like your health care you can keep it. He should have said, If you like your health care program and it meets the new minimums you can keep it. If not we will do our best to make sure you have an alternative. The insane thing is a lot of people think Trump is more honest. Seriously. Its like they are living in a dream world.

      5. Embraces killers such as Putin and the leader of north Korea, and even says he admires how the leader of China is now leader for life, and they should do that. That alone is unforgivable. We are not, nor will we ever be making anyone leader for life. Anyone attempting it is basically trying to overturn the constitution.

      I could go on, but anyway... The ZTE thing was ridiculous. Either you are protecting national security by blocking the import of parts and equipment that is a threat to that security, or you are not. You can't just slap such a company on the wrist. It isn't enough of a deterrence.

      If someone really wants to make America great again and more secure, then we need some of the manufacturing back, one way, or another. Does anyone really think we could sustain a long term war without parts from all over the world?

  2. Meanwhile employes of Harley Davidson by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and Carrier Air conditioning would very much like a word with Mr President. Maybe if they could block him from building his next hotel...

    Seriously, the amount of open corruption and violations of the emoluments clause on display here is insane. And at the rate this guy is going he's on track to get reelected when the Dems run Hilary Bot 2.0 in 2020...

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  3. This could be about American jobs by qzzpjs · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ZTE was getting a lot of its components from American suppliers and the ban could have hurt those suppliers financially. Some may even have reduced their work forces if demand dropped. This probably also plays into Trump's plans to get China to buy more American products to reduce the trade deficit.

    There's also the remote chance that Trump has money invested in those American suppliers. We'll probably never know.

  4. One hand washes the other by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Informative

    This has absolutely nothing to do with the $500,000,000.00 that a Chinese government bank just poured into a failing Trump property in Indonesia.

    http://www.businessinsider.com...

    No quid pro quo. You're the quid pro quo.

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    1. Re:One hand washes the other by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

      That's some strange math you have there. By my count, the bureaucracy took 12 days, since that's the amount of time from May 13th, when Trump told the Commerce Department to lift the sanctions, to May 25th, when the Commerce Department announced their plans for doing so.

      The only things that happened during the three days you seem to be talking about are that the Chinese deposited a check, it cleared, and Trump found the time to announce (via Twitter, of course) a sudden and unexpected about-face with regards to his publicly stated views towards trade policy with China.

  5. Re:What's wrong with this? by Phydeaux314 · · Score: 4, Informative

    They did pay a fine as part of the original settlement, and a moderately severe one, too. The Commerce Department's decision to ban them from buying American hardware and software was levied only after they failed to adhere to the terms of settlement, specifically, that several executives would be punished, fired, and receive no bonuses. They didn't follow up on punishing the executives, hence the ban.

    It's not like this was a draconian move out of the blue - they were told ahead of time what the consequences would be for not doing what they agreed to do, and they did it anyway. I presume the assumption was that the Commerce Department wouldn't actually follow through with it, which turned out to be wrong.

    'course, Trump's probably the most corrupt president we've ever had, so it turns out to have been a fine move by ZTE.

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  6. Re: Chinese immigration by thomst · · Score: 4, Informative

    Spy Handler stated, in part:

    China has been the #2 source of illegal immigrants to the US for a long long time, at least two decades. .... but it used to be very common to see headlines like,

    "Cargo container seized at port of Long Beach found with fifty Chinese migrants living inside while being unloaded from cargo ship."

    (Quote above edited to remove gratuitous xenophobia.)

    The "#2" claim is bullshit - but the People's Republic is, in fact, a non-trivial source of unauthorized immigrants to the USA. According to the New York Times, there are currently 268,000 of them here.

    That number is dwarfed by the number of unauthorized immigrants from Mexico and Central and South America, but it's still more than the population of Newark, NJ (at least, as of the 2010 census). And China refuses to accept deportees, so we're basically stuck with them, even if the current administration manages to locate them all - which it won't, because it's focused exclusively on Hispanics.

    It's also worth noting that Chinese immigrants, both authorized and unauthorized, tend to be younger, and have skills that are better-suited to the American job market, than the average Hispanic immigrant. They also tend not to arrive in shipping containers. Most of them arrive legally, on tourist visas - which they blithely overstay, because there's nowhere near the level of effort expended on tracking them down as there is on tracking down Hispanics.

    In my experience (and I know several such Chinese), they tend to be highly entrepreneurial. The ones I know are engaged in smuggling consumer goods - not from China to the USA, but from the USA to China. (Levis 501's are hugely popular - and extremely costly - in China, for instance.) In a twisted way, you could say they're actually contributing to this country's economy, and doing a tiny bit to redress our trade imbalance with China.

    In another way, you could say they're probably laundering money for the Chinese mob - and I'd bet a shiny, new, Ohio quarter you'd be right ...

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