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High School in China Installs Facial Recognition Cameras To Monitor Students' Attentiveness (theepochtimes.com)
A high school in Hangzhou City, Zhejiang Province located on the eastern coast of China, has employed facial recognition technology to monitor students' attentiveness in class, local media reports. From the report: At Hangzhou Number 11 High School, three cameras at the front of the classroom scan students' faces every 30 seconds, analyzing their facial expressions to detect their mood, according to a May 16 report in the state-run newspaper The Paper. The different moods -- surprised, sad, antipathy, angry, happy, afraid, neutral -- are recorded and averaged during each class. A display screen, only visible to the teacher, shows the data in real-time. A certain value is determined as a student not paying enough attention. A video shot by Zhejiang Daily Press revealed that the system -- coined the "smart classroom behavior management system" by the school -- also analyzes students' actions, categorized into: reading, listening, writing, standing up, raising hands, and leaning on the desk.
See how the message is received and refine until accepted.
Falling asleep in class would be a huge loss of, umm... prestige?
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I would have ended-up as a drop-out instead of a Ph.D.
the system also analyzes students' actions, categorized into: reading, listening, writing, standing up, raising hands, and leaning on the desk.
Soon to come: doodling, fomenting rebellion, gossiping, sleeping, reading non-class materials, and pranking.
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
What if Chinese students turn out cleverer than the adults and adapt to show attentiveness and comprehension while secretly being out to lunch? Or worse, look on as if in rapt attention while secretly fantasizing about a world in which they don’t have to pretend they’re not bored when they’re bored, a world that does not, if you’ll forgive me, so closely resemble the Seventh Circle of Hell?
Our reign has gone on long enough. Indeed. Summon the meteors.
And shit like this will be the norm around the world as the other nations strive to follow their lead Too bad that by 2030 the US will be a nation of bible banging morons with no education living poverty But the US Prison Industry will use this on their 100m+ population of "Prison Workers" manning the Factories they voted for Trump to build
When do they add the electric shocks that are automatically administered? Inquiring minds want to know!
That system could also spot a raised eyebrow when feeding the students historical propaganda.
I am also sure that American Big Tech companies are at the ready to help the Chinese government do this: Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Cisco. The list is long and disgusting. Anything for a buck including trafficking in oppression and human misery.
The Epoch Times is run by the Falun Gong. Falun Gong adherents declare themselves a peaceful religion (something about a great spiritual wheel turning inside your abdomens). The Chinese government has declared it a cult and has actively suppressed it within China (arrests and if the reports are to be believed, torture and deaths).
I don't know enough to say either way, but it's fairly dependable that "China is oppressive" stories will be carried by them. How accurate it is, I don't know (I can imagine people being driven insane by, well, torture). YMMV.
If you go to Hong Kong on one of the main shopping streets there's a permanent Falun Gong protest booth and a counter protest booth (almost certainly funded by the Chinese government) directly alongside it.
any authoritarian regime does. Here in America we do it with religion. You need to put a damper on progress somehow if you want to say in power.
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I guess this will do... until they get those brain implants in.
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I wonder if this would be useful in the US, just for looking for anti-social behavior patterns. It might even stop the next school shooting if someone who isn't of the status quo is pulled aside and evaluated because their facial expressions show anger and violence often.
Parents need to rip out the godxam cameras and go medieval on the authoritarian idiots that decided to install them. 1984 was a damn WARNING, not a HOWTO manual you f--kers...
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It makes me think of the Sci-Fi book, The Stainless Steel Rat, where the anti-hero, the rat, refined his skills and became super criminal getting around the very strong security. (He ended up using his skills to capture crooks like him.) The very strong security honed his skills ( the "stainless steel part") so that he became a super criminal. Could these cameras create the students you describe, ones who fake attentiveness and comprehension? I think it is possible.
China is getting ever creepier with monitoring. Gotta "love" commies.
Table-ized A.I.
Does China even have indoor plumbing?
Not everywhere. Some rural inland provinces are very poor. But TFA is about Hangzhou, one of the most prosperous cities in China, with a per capita GDP higher than some EU countries.
Hangzhou is about two hours south of Shanghai by train, and well worth visiting. It is a beautiful city, built around a lake, with a lot of old architecture. It is a great place to spend a quiet weekend away from the bustle of Shanghai.
This will increase the suicide rate. maybe that is their aim?
Yeah, like they have a choice? It's called indoctrination, conditioning. Get them use to it as kids, so they accept it easier as adults. Schools in the USA do the same thing, but not to this degree...YET.
And Facebook and google all believe A.I. and facial recognition is nothing but good. Wow...... the future is so....... controlled.
they start with inappropriate boner tracking and social media
"loss of face".
Of course after a few generations, there won't be any more natural pregnancies due to the lack of sexual enthusiasm and fear of social repercussions.
Does anybody doubt we'll be seeing something similar in American schools, stores, police stations and workplaces before long?
American corporations have been telling us for years if we allow them to modify their wares to meet Chinese demands, the end result will be a China that is more free and more open.
Instead, often with the assistance of Apple, Google, Microsoft and dozens of other corporations, China is tightening the screws on its population. Meanwhile, privacy in America is becoming a thing of the past, and the powers of "Free World" corporations and governments are increasing every day.
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Great idea - when the class looks like it is bored or has lost focus they replace the teacher !
At least in the west, Big Brother still pretends that he isn't actually watching you ever second of the day.
As usual, the best sci-fi writers were well ahead of this curve. The following is an exerpt from Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson in 1992:
Y.T.'s mom pulls up the new memo, checks the time, and starts reading it. The estimated reading time is 15.62 minutes. Later, when Marietta does her end-of-day statistical roundup, sitting in her private office at 9:00 P.M., she will see the name of each employee and next to it, the amount of time spent reading this memo, and her reaction, based on the time spent, will go something like this:
Less than 10 mm. Time for an employee conference and possible attitude counseling.
10-14 min. Keep an eye on this employee; may be developing slipshod attittide.
14-15.61 mm. Employee is an efficient worker, may sometimes miss important details.
Exactly 15.62 mm. Smartass. Needs attitude counseling.
15.63-16 mm. Asswipe. Not to be trusted.
16-18 mm. Employee is a methodical worker, may sometimes get hung up on minor details.
More than 18 mm. Check the security videotape, see just what this employee was up to (e.g., possible unauthorized restroom break).
Y.T.'s mom decides to spend between fourteen and fifteen minutes reading the memo. It's better for younger workers to spend too long, to show that they're careful, not cocky. It's better for older workers to go a little fast, to show good management potential. She's pushing forty. She scans through the memo, hitting the Page Down button at reasonably regular intervals, occasionally paging back up to pretend to reread some earlier section. The computer is going to notice all this. It approves of rereading. It's a small thing, but over a decade or so this stuff really shows up on your work-habits summary.
You've clearly never been to China.
Here, I can stereotype too. All Americans are fat, lazy and materialistic.
Hey, it's hard to turn chinese kids into riggers.
This is probably a bad idea. Most people I know didn't pay attention in high school classes because the information content is so small--you could pay attention to one lecture every two weeks and not be behind the rest of the class.
It's good that they specified which coast.
Isn't that something an attentive teacher would be doing subconsioucly with their eyes/brain?
Then what? Beatings "until morale improves"; I mean, attention. I found school rather boring and totally worthless when dealing with half-arsed parenting, schoolgirls, a driving permit and any thoughts of life after school. Plus, as I discovered 20 years later, I can't concentrate for long periods, so I despise this world that demands employees (or students) fit some detailed and arbitrary definition of "normal".
As one who teaches I can tell you stories of good students who tried very hard but can't seem to grasp the essence of the subject being taught
In a small class situation perhaps the teacher can pause and help individual students who encounter 'cognitive blockages' but in large size classes teachers have neither the time nor the ability to scan each and every student for signs of 'cognitive blockages'
With this installed teachers would at least be able to identify when a student becomes 'stuck' and thus, know exactly at which point of the lesson becomes 'difficult' and can devise potential helpful advises to that student (and all other students who would take that class in the future)
It's much like identifying a portion of the road which is 'accident prone' and erect road signs to warn other drivers of upcoming dangers, ahead
I think this is pretty normal. School is a method to enforce mediocrity and conformity, due to how it is managed, learning is only accidental. It provides a normal way of creating acceptable citizens to pay taxes without knowing too much about finance.
Does it deduct points from their 'social credit'?
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Having a limited number (30, 50, a bit more?) of people, who are probably known to the algorithm (fed with basic information of all the students in the given class?), in more or less static positions and well-defined places? That does sound certainly doable. There might be still quite a few problems, misinterpretations, ways to trick the system, etc. though.
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Or maybe it's just a tool to assist the teacher when they have to deal with a large class of kids. I'm not saying it isn't Orwellian, merely that perhaps it's not designed to force the kids to pay attention but rather to help the teacher notice where they need to focus their attention. Managing 30 kids who have to do boring work is hard.
I actually know some Chinese kids, and I've seen their school... It wasn't some kind of Party Loyalty factory, it was just a normal school full of normal kids but with more of a focus on rote learning than we have in the west.
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The different moods -- surprised, sad, antipathy, angry, happy, afraid, neutral -- are recorded and averaged during each class. A display screen, only visible to the teacher, shows the data in real-time.
I would have thought that the students' faces themselves show the data in real time; does this mean that even Chinese teachers can't recognize Chinese faces?
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"You've clearly never been to China."
What, the women there are also manipulative bitches?
they have the peculiar experiment of first selling guns and rifles to kids in their teens and early twenties, and then place armed security guards in the schools, and then wait to see how it plays out.
It's not the chinese who are mentally deranged, it's you.
If you ever bother to travel outside of your country, you'll find people worldwide are as diverse as the people you know of where you live. It's disgusting then you see someone make claims like "in this place the people are like this". No, the people are individuals.
I've lived in eight countries in my life and have never seen a homogeneous populace. Anywhere you go there are good people, there are bad people. There are smart people, there are stupid people. There are strong people, there are weak people. The "outside world" isn't the scary and backward place that you imagine it to be.
Fuck China
Then they will fail their tests and teachers will think that they are retarded. And as a result they will be sent to where the retards are sent instead of the teachers understanding that it is an attention problem and deal with it correctly.
Smart kids failing their tests because they find their lecture boring and don't listen at all is very common, and mistaking it for low intelligence is probably the worst thing you can do to them. So while there are many reasons to oppose the system, defeating it may backfire.
What I consider more terrifying is when you see this up against the Chinese implementing ratings on Social media. Every citizen will get a ranking, which again will dictate whether or not you'll be hired in a company etc. etc.
These systems will almost be guaranteed to be connected at some point.
Not much room for dissenting views in China.
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I have lived in 4 countries not counting where I come from or where I traveled to enjoy trip.
Stereotypes do fucking work. So I have anecdotal evidence, which to me is strongest kind of evidence. Now take your opinion and stick up the arse.(yes, there are stupid and bad people everywhere. Exceptions do happen. And stereotypes do to. And exceptions from them)
Anecdotal evidence is good, if you know how to use it. I have encountered thousands of people. It's a scientific result at this time. And I am pretty sure many would reproduce and agree.
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ALL your evidence is anecdotal, you moron.
The fact tbat you woke up this morning ... that this comment here exists ... and most importantly: that that study exists and says what you think it says.
You did not personally do a study with statistically reliable data on any of the things you base your daily life on, did you?
Actually, for most thinks, you do not even have anecdotal evidence, but, at best, hearsay. Thinks like if one dies from jumping off a building, or if any of your government/leaders actually exists.
Have you actually ever met Trump? (Or whoever is your leader or owner.)
Yet you based your entire behavior on that hearsay and your anecdotal evidence.
I remember in the mid-90's when Windows NT was used everywhere in the corporate world, monitoring the employees was the order of the day. It was very common to hear from managers that were sales people and accountants things like:
"Between 2 and 2:30 PM you did not type at all. Your colleague was typing all this time"
Nowadays it is known that bosses take snapshots of the websites that the employees visit and put them on their individual files so they can use them during performance review.
An none of this has anything to do with China.
A single inattentive could be because the student is bored because he is bright and the teacher is working to bring the class up to average.
If this is the case, then this metric might eliminate the best and brightest.
Unless it is also combined with some sort of standard testing.
But if you could pass the standard test, why waste time in the class at all?
A whole class full of inattentive is the teacher.
A few brats, not interested in school means what, labor camp?
Autocratic rule might have some advantage here until it goes too far.
Doesn't China have a long history of going too far and imploding?
Hope this isn't a sign of this yet again.
It will be interesting to see what they do with this new metric.
The smartest students will be bored out of their minds. The stupidest students will be bored out of their minds. Useful info for some of the average students... maybe. Sounds like it's ripe for false data based on a false premise. I learned everything before class and was bored in class... doodling and such because the teachers rarely understood the material.
And just how long will it be before the central authorities decide to add school attentiveness scores to the social credit scores they are already using on adults to control their movements? And clearly getting good grades won't be enough for the advanced students who can handle the course work without paying a lot of attention to the teacher during regular class hours. The top scorers are going to be those who get tops grades and manage to keep an expression on their face that passes the automated criteria.
According to news reports, already millions of Chinese have been blacklisted for travel. (and not even international travel, but internal travel for the Lunar New Year which is kind of a big deal in China with traveller numbers in the millions)
It's probably only a matter of time before "you're a lazy student, you don't qualify to go home to see your parents and grandparents this year..." becomes a reality.
Note that things like jaywalking, being a no-show for restaurant reservations and giving fake reviews online are already included and the official government stance is that this social credit system and related punishment/reward system will cover the whole of Chinese society by 2020.
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I have lived for a substantial amount of time in 3 countries so far and cannot confirm this. But in any case, screw any of this anecdotal evidence. Use your brain instead. Stereotypes usually provide less distinctions than zodiac signs, it's mind-bogglingly idiotic to make general remarks about the character, habits, or personality traits of millions of people - or even billions, like in the case of China. This is especially true if you select those people on the basis of entirely coincidental features like "nationality".
I have learned two other things about other countries: Every country has roughly the same amount of assholes and people you don't want to have anything to do with, but that the majority of people are nice wherever you go.
Some schools in France are testing a similar system called "Nestor":
https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/26/15679806/ai-education-facial-recognition-nestor-france
I don't know, I've been to Canada and they are a shit load nicer in Victoria then most anywhere in the USA, though people do tend to be a bit nicer in the Midwest on average. People are to much in a hurry on the West coast.
You would have said the same if you saw us in class 35 years ago behind the wall. It works via self censorship. By the time you are 1st grade you already know to shut up and pretend...
Go to NK and it will look even more peaceful and focused. But it is just a front...
May I also remind all bleading heart sjw's about the cultural revolution so we don't droll over Chinese 'harmony' and 'order' least we invite it in our society. Thanks!
Results:
Prasing Hangzhou: + 2 Social Points.
Badmouthing Shanghai: - 4 Social Points.
Acknowledging the existance of the poor: - 20 Social Points.
Badmouthing China: - 20 Social Points
Acknowledging lack of universal indoor plumming to westerners: - 40 Social Points
Use of a western propaganda web site: - 40 Social Points
Final Total: ShanghaiBill: - 122 Social Points.
ShanghaiBill, the repomen will be around shortly to escort you to your new living arrangements that you qualify for.
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My grandparents didn't have indoor plumbing until about 1960. This was Minnesota.
As computer technology progresses further and further, it has become clear to me that the average person's quality of life does not strictly increase in response. Instead, it expands the cone of possible human action, which includes both reasonable and unreasonable plans. While there's many obvious benefits to the internet's proliferation, there also many not-so-obvious drawbacks it brings with it. The most notable drawback being the mass surveillance campaigns that every major state is performing. These campaigns have now reached the level where they are no longer simply monitoring human behavior, but connecting to AI-driven server farms attempting to automatically "correct" human behavior. It's truly frightening the amount of rationalization people are willing to do so that they don't have to feel uncomfortable by that fact.
Provably, at no other point in human history has such control over a populace of millions of people been possible. While there has always been power-hungry individuals, not a single one of them has ever been able to maintain an accurate list of every activity that every citizen has ever performed in their life, at least until the 2010's. In the modern world, we now have nations which have never formed a cultural respect for individual liberty gaining access to nearly-ideal surveillance systems. To make matters worse, the western countries that have previously been forerunners in human rights are now regressing on their positions as well.
I don't have solution for how to reverse this trend, and I don't believe there is any easy solution either. However, if matters do not change, it's clear that we will all be living underneath technologically-enabled oligarchies. Frankly, I don't consider that a life worth living.
Stereotypes work great when anticipating the actions of a large group of people. Yes, they frequently fail when talking about an individual, but in the absence of other information you can play the numbers and usually come out ahead.
They have internet in China, you could probably actually go and talk to some real Chinese women and find out if it is true. Or even just check twitter.
I'm even a Harry Harrison fan, but that series was just crap that he spewed out quickly to make his publisher happy between more serious creative efforts.
I know, many teenagers find it entertaining. Try reading it again though, now, and see if it still seems insightful.
Maybe it is not even intended to help the teacher, but to help the student by teaching meritorious behavior.
If you consider bustle to be an insult, just give up and don't try to comprehend Chinese concepts of Merit.
They are scared as hell
The beatings will continue until our Attitude ratings improve sufficiently*!
* Sufficiently meaning, satisfactory in the arbitrary and unpredictable eyes of the Great Leader.
I think they are raising a generation of Chinese people that will master emotion masquerade.
You are fucking retarded.
My uncle was a professor of education. He used to say that when a student fails it is the fault of the teacher. This sounds more like they think that the student is at fault for being bored mindless by a lousy teacher? Why not hide the scoring from anyone... then eliminate the teachers whose students show the lowest attentiveness scores?
You've clearly never been to China.
Here, I can stereotype too. All Americans are fat, lazy and materialistic.
Hey now! We're not all lazy!
At least I have evidence and experience while you have absolutely none. So who is more qualified to speak on the subject?
Trying growing up, travelling and cultivating yourself instead of pulling things from your ass.
Yeah, they're all individuals (FWIW, I've lived in several countries and been to 50+). But, as with most stereotypes, they're usually a reason for them. If I said "Asians like rice", or "Germans like wurst", clearly there are likely some that don't, but that doesn't make my statement wrong. Oh, and here's another...ACs are whiny cunts.
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