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Kaspersky Suits Tossed, Fed Bans Will Continue (axios.com)

A Washington D.C. court has dismissed Kaspersky Lab's lawsuits against the U.S. government over two different rules banning Kaspersky products from federal systems. From a report: Both a federal law passed as part of last years National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA,) and a binding operational directive (BOD) issued by the Department of Homeland Security, prohibit federal agencies from using Kaspersky products. Both portrayed Kaspersky, a Moscow based company, as a national security risk. Kaspersky sued to prevent the two rules from coming into place, claiming the NDAA was a form of unlawful punishment against a specific company known as a bill of attainder. The judge reasoned that "The NDAA does not inflict 'punishment' on Kaspersky Lab. It eliminates a perceived risk to the Nation's cybersecurity and, in so doing, has the secondary effect of foreclosing one small source of revenue for a large multinational corporation." Because the NDAA ruling remains in effect, the judge ruled the BOD case was more or less a moot point. Further reading: Who's Afraid of Kaspersky?, and US Government Can't Get Controversial Kaspersky Lab Software Off Its Networks.

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  1. MOOSE AND SQUIRREL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


     

  2. Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Putin's Puppet belongs in a jail cell, not the White House.

    Moscow Donald's co-conspirators are already facing serious criminal charges, with more to come for those who haven't plead guilty and decided to help America instead of betraying us.

    Treason isn't just illegal. It's wrong.

    1. Re:Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wow, amazing the power of 13 Twitter trolls paid a total of $100,000 against the billion dollar Democratic campaign.

      Have you seen some of these posts? What is their magical power to sway entire populations? And why couldn't the Democrats use the same technology?

    2. Re:Moscow Donald is next... by bobbied · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Wait.. What?

      Are you saying the Russians spent $100K to get Trump elected? Or that they managed to bribe a billionaire real-estate developer for $100K?

      You do see how either of these ideas are just flat crazy right?

      LOL

      --
      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    3. Re: Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Youâ(TM)re an idiot if you think 100k would bribe trump. Maybe you would fall for 100k but trump doesnâ(TM)t need 100k. Heâ(TM)s not even keeping 400k salary.

    4. Re: Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump is almost completely broke, and is dependent on Russian money funneled through his criminal attorney Michael Cohen just to pay a porn star $130 k to keep quiet about sex. Trump didn't pay Stormy Daniels, Russia did.

      Russia pays Trump's bills through money laundering and other criminal schemes.

      The fact that his multiple mankruptcies and general dead-beat nature have locked him out of the US banking system means that Trump needs that $100k from Russia, plus the Millions more they have paid him just to stay afloat.

      You know those MAGA hats that racists wear to support the worst traitor in American history? Yeah, Trump uses the money from that to pay the legal bills for his criminal defense team because he simply can't afford to pay for his own lawyers. This while his other co-conspirators pay for their own attorney's before they inevitably testify against him.

      Cletus thought he was helping spread Trump's message of racism and ignorance, but he's actually paying Moscow Donald's legal bills.

    5. Re:Moscow Donald is next... by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Donald's co-conspirators are already facing serious criminal charges

      Hmmm.. Let me see... We have the following...

      Defrauding the US Government (basically income tax evasion) and conspiracy to do this, a decade ago, for two people.

      Lying to investigators, for two people..... (Like Scooter Libby did?) Oh yea, that's horrible....

      13 + 3 foreign entities charged with trying to sway the election (for both candidates in turn) though $100K's worth of social media ads, but nothing coordinated with either campaign...

      Shesh.... That's it? That's "serious criminal charges" ?

      I got to say, this is not as much of a smoking gun as you'd like it to be. Do be careful, there are a number of democrats that have been involved in things that are worse in some cases.

      --
      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    6. Re:Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you saying the Russians spent $100K to get Trump elected? Or that they managed to bribe a billionaire real-estate developer for $100K?

      You do see how either of these ideas are just flat crazy right?

      Or, you know, the American electorate is so easily swayed all it took was $100K and some good planning.

      Am I willing enough to believe the general public is that stupid? Absolutely, especially in a world where "facts and evidence" are trumped (if you'll pardon the pun) by the "feels and beliefs" of drooling idiots.

      It's scary how many Americans simply refuse to believe anything they disagree with, and will believe any random shit as long as it matches what they already thing. Collectively, America is scarily stupid.

    7. Re: Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for proving you're an idiot

    8. Re:Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Russia spent more than $100 k just bribing Trump to be subservient to Putin, and getting him to aid their ongoing attacks on America.

      No, I said that Russia paid Trump more than $100k. But yes, $100k is enough to bribe Trump to do something small because he's not actually a billionaire and he really needs the money.

      Trump's paying his criminal defense bills with campaign money. Does that sound like something an actual billionaire would do? He's literally paying his own legal bills with campaign contributions from people who many times don't have alot of money. But Trump's net worth might actually be negative, not counting the offshore accounts holding Russian bribes that he can't spend in America.

      Trump paid off Stormy Daniels with a Russian funded slush fund, not his own money. He couldn't find $130k of his own money to not leave a clear money trail from his unprotected sex to his unrepentant treason.

    9. Re: Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for demonstrating that you can't refute a single fact that I have posted in my comment.

    10. Re:Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The relevant thing is that they plead guilty to lying to investigators about the Trump campaign's collusion with Russia's attack on America.

      They are now telling the truth about the worst treason in American history, and Trump's Russian agent campaign manager isn't the only Russia connected traitor whose legal problems are just beginning.

      Michael Flynn was forced to recognize he was an unregistered foreign agent when he was Trump's national security advisory. Literally a Russian spy.

      All these Russian agents are going down, and will forever be marked by their participation in the most treasonous criminal conspiracy in American history.

    11. Re:Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How, exactly, is Russia "attacking" America? You and your ideological compatriots repeat this point as though it explains itself. It doesn't. Elaborate.

    12. Re: Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lmao, you're awfully upset about this subject- I suggest going to some therapy.

    13. Re:Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Criminally hacking the DNC, and using stolen emails for a misinformation campaign, buttressed by illegal foreign campaign contributions.

      This is basically Watergate, but if Nixon had colluded Russia to perform the break-in and misinformation campaign.

    14. Re: Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's 3:00 PM my time, so I'm not waking up in the middle of the night and whining that I have been caught committing treason, unlike Moscow Donald.

      I'd suggest the traitor you support needs therapy just as badly as he needs his large criminal defense team.

    15. Re: Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is the US government blocking Russian companies? Because they are scared shitless.

      Let me ask you this, why is the US blocking a Russian company if the Russians did nothing wrong? Why go out of your way? Where there is smoke, there is fire. So apparently Russia has done something that is making the US government so paranoid.

      TLDR: stop acting like Russia is a a sweet innocent child. They are not. Saying that, I believe this ban is a last ditch effort to distance the trump administration from russia. They figure is the trump admin blocks 1 Russian company; then hey he must be on the American people's side. Right? Right?

    16. Re: Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #facts

    17. Re: Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      , or just a dnc insider leaking damaging emails as part of an information campaign.

    18. Re:Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Donald's co-conspirators are already facing serious criminal charges

      Hmmm.. Let me see... We have the following...

      Defrauding the US Government (basically income tax evasion) and conspiracy to do this, a decade ago, for two people.

      Lying to investigators, for two people..... (Like Scooter Libby did?) Oh yea, that's horrible....

      13 + 3 foreign entities charged with trying to sway the election (for both candidates in turn) though $100K's worth of social media ads, but nothing coordinated with either campaign...

      Shesh.... That's it? That's "serious criminal charges" ?

      I got to say, this is not as much of a smoking gun as you'd like it to be. Do be careful, there are a number of democrats that have been involved in things that are worse in some cases.

      Now that we know what Hillary + Clinton Foundation did...what did Trump do?

    19. Re:Moscow Donald is next... by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Hmmm.. So Trump's turning over his $200K+ yearly salary for being president to various causes is just him being stupid because he really needs the money?

      Yea, Not buying this idea that Trump is bankrupt. Evidence suggests otherwise. He my not be worth what he claims, being prone to exaggeration as he is, but the guy isn't destitute... Not by a long shot.

      --
      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    20. Re:Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you tell me why Trump can't afford to pay his own legal bills, or had to use Russian money to pay off a porn start for $130k...

      How do you explain the fact that Trump is so broke that he can't even spend the cost of a well equipped Range Rover without turning to his Russian patrons for help?

    21. Re: Moscow Donald is next... by DCFusor · · Score: 1

      Seth Rich was his name.

      --
      Why guess when you can know? Measure!
    22. Re: Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At this point you are just parroting Russian propaganda to help the world's most obvious traitor betray his country.

      Did you know that?

    23. Re: Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not being a Democrat (Trump's real crime) is not treason any more than not being a Republican is.

      Here's a hint - If all your opinions are in support of or opposition to someone or some organization, you don't have an independent opinion.

    24. Re: Moscow Donald is next... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Russia and Trump don't even have to communicate anymore. It's a chess game where moves are obvious to both sides. Trump must survive because exposure leading to impeachment is horrible for Russia as the sanctions wi go exponential, especially against the elites.

      Ergo appear anti-Russia, up to and including military action that might ding them in Syria.

      --
      (-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
    25. Re: Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "feels and beliefs" are more of the left's thing. I've never heard a good ole boy complain of microgressions and demand safe spaces away from hurtful acts.

    26. Re: Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's 3:00 PM my time, so I'm not waking up in the middle of the night and whining that I have been caught committing treason, unlike Moscow Donald.

      I'd suggest the traitor you support needs therapy just as badly as he needs his large criminal defense team.

      You sound like you have a great career path just waiting for you at CNN. You've got the irrational hatred down.

    27. Re: Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He did that in the post-election swamp-draining euphoria. Ever the showman, he felt the gesture was with the money. Doubtless he expected to make up the money in other ways. See also the Trump family charities whose main beneficiaries are the Trump family, for example How Donald Trump Shifted Kids-Cancer Charity Money Into His Business.

    28. Re: Moscow Donald is next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like you have a great career path just waiting for you at Fox. You've got the irrational hatred down.

      FTFY

  3. Eat Shit And Die Commie Bastards! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shove it up your putin hole!

  4. Re: Failspersky can go die in a fire. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, you are to be eating all dicks, American pig dog

  5. I told you so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recall saying that these cases would be thrown out... Seems I was right.

    1. Re:I told you so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a strange ruling though. On one hand "The NDAA does not inflict 'punishment'" and on the other we have "effect of foreclosing one small source of revenue".
      Sounds like a punishment to me.

      I swear - raping, murdering and cannibalizing children would be considered legal if the perp cried "national security!" afterwards.

  6. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    College has become a joke. When dumb people can get a degree, what is the degree worth?

    There are too many colleges and too many graduates.

    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are too many colleges and too many graduates.

      Clearly, you're not one of them.

  7. In mother Russia.... by bobbied · · Score: 1

    You don't sue government for hurting your business...

    The government just ends your business...

    --
    "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    1. Re:In mother Russia.... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      The government just ends your business...

      Now why would they want to end it if it is doing OK . . . ?

      They will just end you instead . . . and take over the business themselves.

      --
      Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
    2. Re:In mother Russia.... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, government petitions YOU!

  8. Reminds me of some other bad rulings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is suppose to be a constitutional protection against this sort of crap but judges frequently suck and rule based on emotion and twisted logic. A great example of that is the sex offender rulings where they punish people who have been convicted of a sex offense prior to the laws enactment. The argument is the same in that the judges said "it's not punishment" to prohibit a sex offender from basically living anywhere other than under a bridge because the law effectively outlaws living anywhere remotely near a park/school/any place kids may hang out/etc and as a result in a city that is effectively everywhere. Of course it is punishment regardless of your twisted logic! It's like saying restricting black people from voting isn't punishment because black people didn't do anything wrong. OK-sure- but it's still punishing them- it's just not because they did anything wrong and your a bigoted piece of shit. You've selected a particular group of individuals or entity in this case for exclusion and it's not based on any rational argument. Now I do think we should ban proprietary software from use by government(s). Full stop. And I think corporations shouldn't either- but I'm against the use of violence to achieve social and political objectives. That's just wrong. Mandating sources is based on genuine security issues rather than emotional nonsense and how laws are unfortunately not written. But really the government should be so small that none of this is even possible.

    1. Re:Reminds me of some other bad rulings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it get wet under your bridge?

  9. The Judge's Opinion is CRAP. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It eliminates a perceived risk to the Nation's cybersecurity and, in so doing, has the secondary effect of foreclosing one small source of revenue for a large multinational corporation."

    So, if it were a small company whose sole source of income was the business from the government, it would be OK to endanger national security? Major flaw in the reasoning there, and even I can see how it opens the door to a valid appeal of his opinion. IANAL.

    1. Re: The Judge's Opinion is CRAP. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kaspersky patented the idea of silently searching users computers for interesting files.

      No, seriously, they did. https://patents.google.com/patent/US20110126286A1/en

    2. Re: The Judge's Opinion is CRAP. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that literally the definition of any AV software?

    3. Re: The Judge's Opinion is CRAP. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're aware that this is precisely what an AV software has to do in order to, you know, be an AV software?

  10. Re: Failspersky can go die in a fire. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool story, Boris. Our government isn’t obligated to buy your software.

  11. Okay, I get this, but.... by mark-t · · Score: 3, Interesting

    FTA:

    The perceived threat:Lawmakers and DHS have publicly said the national security threat from Kaspersky products stems from Russian law. Antivirus programs and other security programs often upload files to a security firm's server in the course of analyzing them for threats. By law, Kaspersky would have to honor Russian official requests for the data.

    Couldn't Kaspersky sidestep this issue by *not* uploading any content? Or is this ban in effect because they could theoretically upload, even if they don't?

    That being the case, wouldn't it stand to reason that they should simultaneously prohibit *ALL* software written by any agency outside of the US which might have similar laws with regards to data collection, and not just single out Kaspersky labs?

    1. Re:Okay, I get this, but.... by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Why "outside of the US"? Does "inside of the US" get a pass? If so, why?

      --
      ...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
    2. Re:Okay, I get this, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Couldn't Kaspersky sidestep this issue by *not* uploading any content? Or is this ban in effect because they could theoretically upload, even if they don't?

      Neither, the ban is in place because Kaspersky is located physically within Russia as well as all the other countries it does business in, but specifically due to the Russian location being their world headquarters.

      That being the case, wouldn't it stand to reason that they should simultaneously prohibit *ALL* software written by any agency outside of the US which might have similar laws with regards to data collection, and not just single out Kaspersky labs?

      No, that would only make sense if there was an actual technical concern with software doing that.
      Not the case here so doesn't really apply.

      US government networks already upload their data to a vast number of US based company servers, some as we have seen in recent news publicly readable AWS instances.

      The government still utilizes CheckPoint firewalls, which send all their blocked packet data back to an Israeli company. Not sure if we label Israel a hostile country, but it pretty much is one.

    3. Re:Okay, I get this, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they should simultaneously prohibit *ALL* software written by any agency outside of the US which might have similar laws with regards to data collection, and not just single out Kaspersky labs?

      It would be logical. For the little while I have read the DoD guidelines on anti-virus software, among others, for non-secret systems, there have never been Kaspersky or any other, non-US based antivirus solution among the allowed. Funny how the rest of the federal government wakes up on it so late. Maybe better communications and risk assessment cross functions and agencies within the US government would be in order?

    4. Re:Okay, I get this, but.... by Bryansix · · Score: 0

      Israel is a hostile country? In what definition of the word hostile?

    5. Re:Okay, I get this, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd say a long history of industrial espionage counts as hostile, wouldn't you?

      http://www.newsweek.com/2014/05/16/israel-wont-stop-spying-us-249757.html

    6. Re:Okay, I get this, but.... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      A computer has new malware thats active, in the wild, working and an AV app is just to do nothing?
      The idea is to get the new malware to the AV experts and then protect AV users globally from new malware. Quickly and on every detection of new malware.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    7. Re:Okay, I get this, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is a legitimate call out, except Kaspersky explicitly took more than that from a US NSA contractor, and in turn it got leaked by the Russian state.

      It's hard to have much sympathy when they a) take files that aren't necessary for that purpose, and b) they end up in the hands of people other than Kaspersky.

      Given that their only response so far to such incidents has been anything but an outright denial (they use weasel words repeatedly on this topic) then it's hard to have any sympathy. They clearly did something wrong, and have done nothing meaningful to allay those concerns. Even their move to Switzerland is questionable, because they're still choosing a jurisdiction that allows them to pass information to whatever security services, and we've no idea who their "Independent 3rd party reviewers" will be, they could just be FSB agents, for all we know. If they really wanted to instill confidence they'd bring in trusted and well known and respected members of the FOSS community or similar. The fact they're doing anything but and are trying their hardest to pretend they care whilst remaining as opaque as possible suggests that they have a lot to hide.

    8. Re:Okay, I get this, but.... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC should an AV company not detect malware in the wild?
      Pass finds to internal experts and hold off on protection if the malware might test as a police or nation state skill level product in the wild?
      Most people want an AV company that finds malware in the wild. Detects and passes on that new protection back to all the AV products users as quickly as possible.
      A nations most advanced contractors should not be cooking new "other agency" malware on internet facing computers with malware running... and have good quality AV products able to report new malware.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    9. Re:Okay, I get this, but.... by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      You own article says that we spy on them, along with most of the EU. Pretty funny. It's also funny that I would be moderated down for asking a question.

  12. Re: Failspersky can go die in a fire. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nope, but as a citizen I will now buy and recommend only kaspersky to all my friends/family/clients.

    Fuck the US Government. They can put their heads in the sand, I won't. Kaspersky has don't nothing wrong in this situation. This is a fucking smear campaign at its finest.

    So answer me this trumptards, if there was no Russia collusion, no behind the scenes Russian deals, no election hacking, etc.., why is the US government so scared of Russian companies?

  13. This is why I see everyone install Kaspersky. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They don't play ball with the US regime.

    Of course in Russia, I might use something else.

    Just like I use only Chinese phones in the EUSA and EUSA phones in China.

    1. Re:This is why I see everyone install Kaspersky. by atrex · · Score: 1

      I switched to Kaspersky back in the late 2000s because it was consistently rated as one of the best performing AV suites available, and it didn't have the bloat of Norton or McAfee.

      Having the NSA blackball it, the same way they complain about encryption schemes not having backdoors to which they have the keys to, is just another recommendation going for it.

      Show me evidence of Kaspersky being used to steal identities and/or financial information, then I'd reconsider using it.

  14. This is why you should use Kaspersky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    it's basically the U.S. government admitting that Kaspersky is too good, it keeps most of the U.S-made spyware out, and they refuse to let the government in when they ask while the other vendors are too afraid to have sanctions levied against them, so they just play ball.

    1. Re:This is why you should use Kaspersky by DCFusor · · Score: 1

      I'll say it without being AC. So many with short attention spans forgot that this was the one that detected spyware when no one else did.

      --
      Why guess when you can know? Measure!
    2. Re:This is why you should use Kaspersky by thesupraman · · Score: 1

      And of course this is why it is being targeted, because it won't play ball and give the US TLAs a free pass to infect its clients.

      I'm sure this fuss is doing them nothing but good.outside. The US..

      The thing to remember is that this also implies all the other security produces DO give the US agencies a free pass..

    3. Re:This is why you should use Kaspersky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So many with short attention spans forgot that this was the one that detected spyware when no one else did.

      Sigh. False. Kaspersky even explains it differently. They detected a zip file containing already known malware signatures and automatically retrieved it for analysis. It also happened it have a bunch of other previously unknown malware.

      Kaspersky is no better than the other top AV vendors... but they certainly have an effective marketing campaign to promote themselves as better.

    4. Re:This is why you should use Kaspersky by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Yes the past protection helped computer users globally find, understand and protect against:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      Stuxnet, Flame, Equation Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....
      That 60 government android cyber-espionage effort.

      The internet users globally need the very best real time detection and protection against advanced emerging malware.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  15. Already solved. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here in Germany, you suddenly see Kaspersky installed everywhere.
    Cause now we know, they do not play along with (at least US) government pressure.

    Especially when one tracked the entire process of pulling a bullshit chain of reasoning from its humble attached-to-nothing roots, reminding one of the behavior of Eastern Germany and Soviet Russia.

    Of course I'd take the strong underdog in Russia too, if I lived there. As people there do, cause unlike the USA, nobody there doesn't know or tries to hide that the government is crap. :)

    The only thing I still have to check, is if gpvernments are playing such theater plays merely to get their opponents to fall for the trojan horse.

    1. Re:Already solved. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of how East Germany solved all of its problems with the Berlin Wall.

  16. Re: Failspersky can go die in a fire. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nope, but as a citizen I will now buy and recommend only kaspersky to all my friends/family/clients.

    Cool story, bro?

  17. Re: Failspersky can go die in a fire. by DCFusor · · Score: 1

    Not a Trumptard, but how about the more obvious reason the gov is pissed? Kaspersky detected US malware when no other AV did. And probably refused to "fix" that -
    We can't have an AV with the integrity to call out the NSA/CIA spyware, now, can we?
    Libtards forget the reporting so easily when it fits their cognitive bias. It's the only way to keep their heads from exploding.

    --
    Why guess when you can know? Measure!
  18. I know who Kaspersky is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But who's this Fed Bans fellow?

  19. Re: Failspersky can go die in a fire. by Bryansix · · Score: 1

    It's not Trump's fault. This is the Deep State. To define that, it's a group of well entrenched government employees who think they know better than the current administration and so ignore it's wishes.

  20. In Soviet Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    laws require you be spied upon. #MAGA

  21. Re: Failspersky can go die in a fire. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This ^^^^^

    Came to make sure someone pointed out that Kaspersky was the best AV and constantly doing large-scale deep analysis of government-sponsored malware.

  22. Kaspersky Suits Tossed by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 1

    So is it back to the Warm-ups or perhaps Chinos and Polos?

  23. NSA dislikes Kaspersky b/c it finds their malware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They want to ban Kaspersky because it is able to find the NSA's or "Equation Group's" malware. Kaspersky did nothing wrong. They just make too good a product for the NSA's comfort.

  24. Re: Failspersky can go die in a fire. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really not this ^^^^. All but Kremtards will understand the real reason: Kaspersky was used as a vector for Russian spies and it's not possible to trust it anymore.

    Israel hacked Kaspersky and caught Russian spies using AV tool to harvest NSA exploits

  25. Re: Failspersky can go die in a fire. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not Trump's fault. This is the Deep State. To define that, it's a group of well entrenched government employees who think they know better than the current administration and so ignore it's wishes.

    Have you considered taking random potshots at people you believe to be members of this Deep State? It would help Trump out and make you feel a lot better.

    If you don't fancy it yourself, mention it to your friends and see if they're interested.

  26. TPP by fox171171 · · Score: 1

    The TPP would have prevented this. It doesn't allow laws that interfere with profits. Captcha: greedily

  27. Victim of the Military Industrial BS artists by found404 · · Score: 1

    Both the US and Russians need to continue to funnel 100s of millions into their military, black ops, surveillance programs. Kaspersky is the unwitting poster child to help scare their respective citizens and help fill the stomach of the beast that - ironically - threatens our very freedoms.