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California Begins Trial Rollout of Digital License Plates (caranddriver.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Car and Driver: California is taking its first steps toward America's first digital license plate. Using display technology akin to the e-ink used in the Amazon Kindle, a Foster City, California, outfit called Reviver Auto has come up with a digital plate that is now available on a limited basis in California, with the first fleet trial taking place on a fleet of 24 City of Sacramento -- owned Chevrolet Volt cars wearing plates supplied at no cost by Reviver. The new monochrome units -- which were also just rolled out in Dubai -- comply with reflectivity standards and are GPS enabled, allowing owners to track a stolen vehicle or at least its plate.

Owners accustomed to an otherwise-paperless lifestyle will appreciate that, thanks to the Reviver's Rplate Pro, registration can be paid via the internet, assuring that one never has to make a last-minute trip to the DMV's no-appointment Hell Line. It should also be a boon to companies with large fleets. What's more, it's easy to upgrade to a special-interest plate if one chooses to do so.

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  1. Wow by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "GPS enabled"

    Guess we don't have to worry much about license plate readers if folks are willing to have a(nother)* GPS attached to them at all times.
    Do folks really not think about the alternate applications of such gadgetry before they welcome them with open arms ?

    *Smartphone attached to your hip being the other one.

    1. Re:Wow by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Nations have been doing this with toll road electronic toll collection systems. Police have tracked a lot of criminals movements like that.
      The tracking part is now just part of the product.
      The Overton window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... has moved to full 1984 in CA.
      Police, city, state and federal task forces now have the digital freedom to track every US citizen in CA.

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    2. Re: Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Car hits ped
      Witness wants to report it
      Needs to see plate number

    3. Re: Wow by Alypius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I see it as more as distributed mining; GPS will give speed data and automatically issue speeding tickets (or failure to stop) "for your convenience."

    4. Re: Wow by joe_frisch · · Score: 3

      Or "Child Kidnapper"

      The number of ways this can go wrong is nearly endless. But I expect that people will find themselves using them anyway as the system makes them more convenient than the alternative. People will tell themselves that they don't have any privacy anyway, and that hacks are rare and only happen to other people.

    5. Re: Wow by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2

      Look, the government already licenses you the carâ"that's why it's called a license plate. They know where you live, and I doubt it would be illegal for them (or a private citizen) to follow you around in a car with a normal license plate if they really wanted to.

      It's not that you donâ(TM)t have a right to privacy, it's that driving my around is already a thing you do in public with the government's permission. As a matter of public safety while you exercise your driving privileges, they're going to check up on you. They already do. If it's not a price you're willing to pay, take cabs or buses or ride a bike. Owning a car comes with responsibilities and burdens.

    6. Re: Wow by markdavis · · Score: 2

      There is a huge difference between everything you just listed and having 100% mandated monitoring of where every vehicle is all the time.

      Where you go ON FOOT is public information when you are outdoors, off your property. Do you think it would be OK to require everyone to wear a GPS bracelet whenever off his/her own property?

      What you say is public information when you are outdoors, presumably off your property. Do you think it would be OK to require everyone to wear microphones on their clothes to transmit what they say whenever on public property?

      I could go on, but I think I have made my point. And it doesn't matter how many "protection" laws we create, they will be broken when it is convenient for mainstream government, ignored by the 3-letter agencies from the start, bused by non-government entities, hacked by criminals, and act as a gateway for more and more intrusiveness as people "get used to it".

    7. Re:Wow by JackieBrown · · Score: 2

      I'd argue it's worse. Sure a corporation can try to monetize my movements and habits but the state can throw me in jail.

      We already have stop light cameras to automatically issue tickets. Now we can automatically send out traffic tickets for speeders. And, as with the stop light cameras, there is no way for you to prove you weren't the one driving the car so you are automatically guilty. Maybe we will at least see a reduction in the police force, but I doubt it.

    8. Re:Wow by JackieBrown · · Score: 2

      California has the best anti-coorpprivacy protection laws in the United States.

      The state government spying for documented citizens is another matter, entirely.

      There is no pro-privacy reason a digital license plate needs to have GPS built in.

  2. Technology looking for a solution? by thogard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Too many people in IT think its about the Technology but IT is about the Information.

    The project seems to connect registration with the tag yet most places let you type in a tag number and pay online. That is an expected information flow.

    I also wonder how these will work in accidents. The tag numbers are usually the way of identifying the owners of the cars.

    1. Re:Technology looking for a solution? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your Subject Line is spot-on thogard. Let's make an more-expensive, easy-to-update electronic version of an inexpensive, hard-to-update metal thing -- that actually never needs to be updated.

      Case in point: I've had the same license plates on my 2001 Honda Civic and 2002 Honda CR-V since, well, 2001 and 2002.

      The additional "features" of easy upgrading and large fleet boon are unconvincing -- how often will one mess with the license plates?

      It should also be a boon to companies with large fleets.
      What's more, it's easy to upgrade to a special-interest plate if one chooses to do so.

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    2. Re:Technology looking for a solution? by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      You don't steal plates from another vehicle, you clone them - then the owner of the other vehicle has no idea it's happened unless you do something that attracts attention like getting issued with a ticket that's sent to their registered address.

      If you're going to do something illegal with a vehicle, you pick an extremely common make and model, and when you clone someone else's plates you find another vehicle which is the same as the one you have.

      It's not difficult, and many criminals are already using these strategies. I know various people who have had their license plates cloned, and then been issued with traffic tickets in locations they've never visited.

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    3. Re:Technology looking for a solution? by GIL_Dude · · Score: 2

      I actually had my physical plate stolen. This was 4 years ago - so fairly recent - in California. CA is a two plate (one front, one rear) state and they only stole the rear plate. They REPLACED the rear plate with one from the car they stole. I actually only noticed it at first because the orange sticker (that year the expiration date sticker on the plate was orange) had been partially removed. I saw that when approaching the car at my work parking lot. People sometimes steal the sticker to make it look like their license is still current. So I looked closer at the plate expecting to see that someone had tried to steal the sticker. On closer inspection I saw that it wasn't my plate number. I checked the front, and that one was still the correct plate number. I had to call the police and report it AND surrender the plate that wasn't mine to the police and my old front plate to the DMV and get completely new plates and numbers. It turns out the criminals had stolen a car like mine (Toyota Camry at the time) and stole my plate to make it look like they were not in a stolen car (and of course make it look like I WAS in a stolen car). So it does happen.

  3. This content is not available in your region by Ecuador · · Score: 4, Informative

    Congrats car & driver, you only had 2 years to implement GDPR, and it really isn't hard at all unless you are doing pretty screwed up things. I could read the google cache at least in order to discover the utter ridiculousness of $700 license plates with a $7 monthly fee! I guess you pay all that for the privilege of the state tracking you. I wonder who makes these plates, that's some serious state gov connections to get it going even at the pilot level.
    Even without the tracking aspect, digital plates are the worst idea - a fender bender becomes expensive and/or could leave you with a non working plate, plates in general will certainly be harder to read and can potentially stop working, etc etc...

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    1. Re:This content is not available in your region by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Congrats car & driver, you only had 2 years to implement GDPR

      No I'm sure it would have killed them completely to not harvest your data and throw every tracking cookie under the sun at its users. There website wouldn't work without connections to:
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      To say nothing of getting 7 cookies for clicking the link.

      Personally I am thankful that this new wave of blocking schemes causes sites to advertise when they have shitty practices.

  4. Re:Can you say by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    Yep -- have to tax by the mile, more during rush hours, more on congested roads, etc.

    Funny, there's already a way to tax mileage on electric cars without being intrusive assholes. Tire tax, combined with annual inspections of tread depth. But California seems to want to track everything that moves.

  5. $699 + $7 per month? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why the blue fuck would someone pay that much money to trade away their privacy and have a plate that's more easily damaged. If they want the GPS tracking that badly (i.e. are cowards), just hide a cheap smartphone with a pre-pay data plan somewhere in the car.

    1. Re:$699 + $7 per month? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      At $699/car and $7/car/month? How is that cheaper than a minimum wage worker applying stickers?

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  6. Owners accustomed to an otherwise-paperless.... by ai4px · · Score: 3, Informative

    Owners accustomed to normal steel license tags will appreciate not having to pay $7/month for a digital tag. I mean really, get a notice in the mail once a year, mail in some money and a few weeks later put a sticker on my license tag. Once a year.

    1. Re:Owners accustomed to an otherwise-paperless.... by scdeimos · · Score: 2

      I mean really, get a notice in the mail once a year, mail in some money and a few weeks later put a sticker on my license tag. Once a year.

      Why, though? Why should you even have to mess around with a sticker once per year?

      Australia, for example, is so inundated with ALPRs that their collective Departments of Transport did away with the annual registration stickers a few years back. The ALPRs are on all the major roads and highways and will send you a nice, automated infringement notice and SPER fine for driving an unregistered vehicle should you somehow forget to pay your annual registration.

  7. Re:Can you say by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

    No, you can't say that. Because it's not state mandated, in fact it costs $700 + $7 a month so almost no private citizens are going to jump at the opportunity.

    What it is, is a city of Sacramento mandated tracking device for city of Sacramento employees while driving city cars. They expect it to reduce fleet tracking costs. I have no problem with that form of surveillance.

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  8. Hackable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wonder how long until someone hacks it with goatse.

  9. TFS and TFA at odds by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    TFS makes things sound all unicorns and rainbows, but farther down TFA things get a little muddy -- which make me think the editors didn't read it through:

    We also expect them to be targets for vandalism in San Francisco and Oakland. After all, it’s basically akin to putting Google Glass on one’s car, or, at the very least, a sign reading “Kick me, I’m the reason your landlord’s evicting you.”

    The units are also expensive. ... a Reviver setup will run you $699 for the digital plates, plus about $7 a month in recurring fees. That’s a pretty steep gouge just to trade away what little privacy you have left in exchange for not having to check the mail and place a fiddly little decal on your plate once every 12 months.

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  10. Re:Use case? by apoc.famine · · Score: 2

    And what else could it be? You take a rugged thing that doesn't need electricity and replace it with something fragile that does. And you take something that you don't want to ever change and you make it able to change. About the only way this would make sense is if they were going from e-ink to metal plates. Going the opposite direction means you cause a pile of expensive issues while fixing nothing.

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  11. Tracking and advertising by bradley13 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Aside from the implications of the built-in GPS tracker, do note that the plates are designed to show advertising. They show the full-sized number while the vehicle is in motion, but when stopped, the number can be reduced in size, shoved in a corner, and the rest of the plate used to display ads. At the moment, for corporate fleets, the idea is for the corporation to display whatever they want. It won't be long before private plates also become advertising platforms.

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  12. Cars by ledow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What a backward people you are.

    We have one plate, on a car, it stays on that car pretty much for its life.

    You then pay "road tax" (not actually true, but that's what it's called by people), online, verified with your recent vehicle test results, that you're insured on the insurance databases etc. and if you fail to do so, any police car with ANPR will flag you as you drive past, certain places (like London's congestion charging zones) will check your plate as you drive through, any traffic warden knows you're not up-to-date, and your car can be towed away.

    No stickers. Nothing to "steal" / "forge". No new plates. No chips inside plates. No offline process necessary (but you can still do it in any ordinary post office like for the past 50 years).

    I thought America was supposed to be at the forefront of technology and progress?

  13. What a TERRIBLE Idea by Ferretman · · Score: 2

    The number of ways this is open to abuse is mind-boggling....

    Ferret

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  14. Re:Staying disconnected and uninspected by kaatochacha · · Score: 2

    If you're a techie long enough, you eventually realize there are some things tech is fantastic for, some things it's hit or miss on, other things it should never need be applied to. It sounds like you've discovered that already.