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Smartphone Shipments Declined For the First Time In 2017 (theverge.com)

2017 was the first year that smartphone unit shipments didn't grow, according to a new Internet Trends report. "Shipments actually declined by 0.5 percent, as IDC noted in February," reports The Verge. "In 2016, shipments were lukewarm at 2 percent yearly growth, but this downturn is significant." From the report: Among smartphone shipments, Android and iOS have all but completely pushed out every other mobile operating system. And despite the growing price of today's top flagship devices, the average selling price of a smartphone has steadily fallen over the years. As more of the world now owns smartphones, growth has basically stalled. Similarly, internet user growth has only grown 7 percent in 2017, compared to 12 percent in 2016. More people are accessing the internet than ever, on an average of 5.9 hours a day. And they're browsing on mobile, indicating that they're just holding onto older models of phones instead of buying new ones.

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  1. Planned obsolesence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I suspect it's in part because Apple got caught artificially slowing down older devices (and frankly, I think a number of Android vendors did too given how a number of my devices have become inexplicably unusably slow over time even if I uninstall all or reset to factory). Now that that practice has been bred out through consumer uproar, people are probably realising they don't actually need a phone every 2 years because most are good for 4 - 5 years for 99% of the population. It was only ever the process of artificially crippling devices that forced people to upgrade.

    1. Re:Planned obsolesence by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now that that practice has been bred out through consumer uproar, people are probably realising they don't actually need a phone every 2 years because most are good for 4 - 5 years for 99% of the population.

      Estimated number of smartphone users: ~2.5 billion
      Smartphones sold each year: ~1.5 billion
      Estimated growth: ~200 million
      Average lifetime: 2500/(1500-200) = ~2 years

      The facts reject your hypothesis.

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    2. Re:Planned obsolesence by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      It's much more simple than that. It's because the number of smartphones in circulation is approximately the same as the number of humans alive. The slowdown will continue until we teach dogs and cats how to phone.

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    3. Re:Planned obsolesence by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      My cat and dog have tried, but my ass has phoned most.

    4. Re:Planned obsolesence by guacamole · · Score: 2

      I suspect it's in part because Apple got caught artificially slowing down older devices

      Apple slowed down those devices in order to avoid an expensive battery recall process.

    5. Re:Planned obsolesence by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I suspect it's in part because Apple got caught artificially slowing down older devices (and frankly, I think a number of Android vendors did too given how a number of my devices have become inexplicably unusably slow over time even if I uninstall all or reset to factory). Now that that practice has been bred out through consumer uproar, people are probably realising they don't actually need a phone every 2 years because most are good for 4 - 5 years for 99% of the population. It was only ever the process of artificially crippling devices that forced people to upgrade.

      Or not, since iPhones still throttle down. They're just more open about it.

      And you can say Android should do the same - given how many seem to boot loop because they try to boot up and fail because the battery can't provide enough power. The Nexus 6p is famous for it, with a community hack fixing boot loops by disabling the high performance cores.

      Or in other words, the Android community deliberately cripples the performance of the phone (using the low power cores and telling the kernel to not switch to high performance cores) in order to fix a common problem in older phones. They can't boot up because the kernel will try to boot the higher power cores, they get busy and the battery can't supply enough power and the phone resets.

      And I know plenty of people who say "30% on their battery is basically 0% - once it hits 30%, the phone will shut off". Again, the battery cannot supply the instantaneous power required, and the voltage dips. (The impedance of lithium secondary batteries goes up as it discharges because the ions have to migrate through more material to continue the reaction).

      Apple slows the processor down (on some phones - other phones with the same model are fine - it depends on your usage after all) so it can guarantee your phone works. Slow or not, if it means a working phone or a phone that lasts until 0%, people generally will want that.

      And no, a slow phone does not mean someone will upgrade - performance is not everything. Some people are happy with slow phones (see all the cheap Android phones they give away). Usually what triggers an upgrade is some other parameter - OS is too old, battery does not last as long, etc. And battery not lasting as long is a general impetus to upgrade. Apple slowing down the phone making the battery last longer ironically means more people generally will not upgrade their phones (at least until it gets shortened so much even slowing down the phone is inadequate).

    6. Re:Planned obsolesence by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      I suspect it's in part because Apple got caught artificially slowing down older devices

      Apple slowed down those devices in order to avoid an expensive battery recall process.

      Yeah. Just that nobody wanted a battery replacement when the phones just shutdown. Only when they suddenly kept working , but somewhat slower when the CPU was taxed, then they complained they wanted a switch to turn back sudden shutdowns back on. But when Apple then offered a cheaper battery replacement process, people suddenly wanted the batteries replaced. So either Apple's plan failed spectacularly, or your conspiracy theory doesn't work.

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    7. Re:Planned obsolesence by AC-x · · Score: 2

      Don't you think a bigger factor is that hardware performance improvements outgrew software requirement increases? At this point even a several year old mid-range phone feels fast enough running the latest software, while previously smartphone hardware genuinely struggled to keep up with later more featured/bloated (delete for preference) software.

      Same thing happened in the PC space, remember when your PC felt slow, even obsolete every year trying to run the latest software? Now I can use a budget laptop from 2010 and run exactly the same software as a brand new high-end laptop without it even feeling slow.

    8. Re:Planned obsolesence by unixisc · · Score: 1

      That was the case in past years as well, but what is different is the fact that smartphones now have specs that are adequate and don't need upgrading. As an example, I upgraded from an iPhone 5s w/ 16GB storage last year to an iPhone 7 w/ 128GB. That is more than adequate for the foreseeable future i.e. until that phone dies! It's like w/ PCs over the last decade: people stopped upgrading b'cos PCs became fast enough for almost any and all tasks thrown at them.

  2. Because of poor people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Poor people are buying more phones. They can't afford a proper iPhone so they opt for a cheap Chinese Android piece of crap. Apple still had the lion's share of profit in all mobile phone sales.

    1. Re:Because of poor people. by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      They can't afford a proper iPhone

      "Proper iPhone" is a not a thing.

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    2. Re: Because of poor people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Is my beach cabin landline phone (where there's no cell network) an "improper iphone" then?

  3. Time for the next big thing by RhettLivingston · · Score: 2

    I vote for ditching the display and the concept of holding the phone. The next big thing should be leaving the phone in your pocket and interacting with it via peripherals only with the primary display using augmented reality glasses.

    1. Re:Time for the next big thing by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      I second this idea, with the addition of seeing the 3D girls of Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball dressed in swimsuits walking around and the possibility of picking one of them to be your AI assistant.

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    2. Re:Time for the next big thing by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I vote for ditching the display and the concept of holding the phone.

      Right after that, ditch the concept of using the phone.

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    3. Re:Time for the next big thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      that's what I always wanted... can we start calling them computers again?

    4. Re:Time for the next big thing by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

      I second that. In terms of how they are used, they've never been smartphones. Browsing and messaging dominate the time spent on the device. It's a computer with a phone capability.

    5. Re:Time for the next big thing by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1
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    6. Re:Time for the next big thing by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

      Regardless, it is where we will go eventually. The smartphone is a crude and very poor form of self-augmentation already. Augmenting ourselves will happen. If we can't get over the cultural barriers, other countries will take the lead and, eventually, we won't be able to compete.

      I never quite got the backlash myself. Maybe we just need to have some cutesy, demeaning name for those that walk around or sit in restaurants looking at their smartphone displays all of the time. It seems worse to me.

      Also, Google's attempt was crude and did not naturally merge the "desktop" into the environment around the wearer. To do that, the tech needs to augment both the full field of view and depth of view (information about an object must be in focus near the object), monitor where the eye is looking, fully process the surrounding environment, and display information where it needs to be instead of at a fixed spot. If you do all of this, then you want have the wearer looking away from the natural point of attention for information. This probably requires something like a super advanced retinal laser display tech.

      I think regulation could also help. Personal augmentation recording should have legal access and sharing constraints modelled on the constraints of our own memory. Essentially, I am the only one that can see my memory. Recordings made by personal augmentation devices should start with that as the ground rule. Only I can hear or see them. No warrant can access them, and I can't share them except by describing or drawing them myself. Then, we carefully move out from there. To be of any use, my AI assistant and "desktop" needs to have full access also, but they should be treated as internal to the virtual me by the law. Not even a warrant can access them. At this point, we have an effective system that does not violate privacy.

      Sharing could be carefully evolved from this point, likely involving rules like a scene can be shared but the system must blur out every person and property that the system doesn't have explicit owner-given permission to share, even to the court. Essentially, everyone has 5th amendment rights to not share there images even when in another's "memory" except that the other could choose to describe the "memories" verbally or with drawing just as they can today.

      Altering the system to break the rules should carry severe penalties. In the world of the future, this might not need to be death or lifetime isolation. It could be as simple as barring the person from using the tech. It would be like being reduced to being an animal - literally.

  4. Missing a big factor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Smartphone shipments haven't gone down. Android shipments have gone down. iPhone shipments have gone up (50.7m to 52.2m YoY).

    Average selling price hasn't gone down. Android average selling price has gone down. iPhone average selling price has gone up ($655 to $728 YoY).

    There's a story here, but it's not the one being told by the headline.

    1. Re:Missing a big factor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Hanging onto its sliver of the market" is an odd way of describing the best selling, most profitable smartphone that is continually improving its numbers and breaking its own records.

    2. Re:Missing a big factor by Tough+Love · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Q1 iPhone shipmments are off 1 million, YoY. If you are an Apple shareholder that ought to worry you. But then, you are an Apple cultist, so nothing worries you, including maxing out your credit to own it.

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    3. Re:Missing a big factor by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      "Hanging onto its sliver of the market" is an odd way of describing the best selling, most profitable smartphone

      It's a way of describing the market sliver that Apple is hanging onto, nothing more or less.

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    4. Re:Missing a big factor by Dzimas · · Score: 1

      iPhones amounted to 19.2% of the global market in the last quarter of 2017. That means that 4 out of every 5 phones sold are made by other companies, running Android. Apple marketshare is indeed a sliver.

    5. Re:Missing a big factor by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Except if their sales are going up while overall sales are going down (though I'm too lazy to check actual numbers, just accepting that premise from earlier in the thread), it follows they aren't just hanging onto their sliver, but growing it.

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    6. Re:Missing a big factor by Teckla · · Score: 1

      You seem happy about the potential prospect of an Android monoculture. That doesn't seem like such a good idea.

    7. Re:Missing a big factor by Tough+Love · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Q1 iPhone shipmments are off 1 million, YoY. If you are an Apple shareholder that ought to worry you. But then, you are an Apple cultist, so nothing worries you, including maxing out your credit to own it.

      Apple cultists are not only unworried about these obvious warning signs, they will take the opportunity do downmod anyone who points them out, if they can. Makes me wonder what other slimy things Apple is in the habit of doing on social networks? Seems to come very naturally for Apple cultists, almost like it is corporate culture still living on from Dead Steve Jobs.

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    8. Re:Missing a big factor by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      You seem happy about the potential prospect of an Android monoculture.

      Not really. I just don't like Apple, it is a sleazy company with defective products sold to clueless people, and a truly toxic corporate culture. Avoiding a monoculture is not a good enough reason to accept Apple as it is, and Apple shows no sign of changing, except possibly for the worse.

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    9. Re: Missing a big factor by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      You are an idiot. I have shorted more than you are worth, safe bet. I would not short AAPL, but I would not buy it either. Google is another story.

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    10. Re:Missing a big factor by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      "Hanging onto its sliver of the market" is an odd way of describing the best selling, most profitable smartphone

      It's a way of describing the market sliver that Apple is hanging onto, nothing more or less.

      Boy, even the Black Knight "called it a draw" instead of declaring "Actually it's you who has lost all his limbs. Now stop running away on your non-existing legs."

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    11. Re:Missing a big factor by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      r of market share really is a sliver, around 13% now. Depends who you ask of course. If you ask an Apple cultist, you will be left with the impression that it is 100%.

      Yeah, and that sliver is growing. And it's hilarious how you foam out of your mouth because you can't admit it.

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    12. Re:Missing a big factor by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      One company has 19% of the Smartphone market and it's a sliver? Only one other manufacturer has a similar sized market share and that's Samsung. So if these two both only have slivers, what does everybody else have?

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    13. Re:Missing a big factor by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      There's a story here, but it's not the one being told by the headline.

      Yeah the real story is that you just concluded that Apple doesn't sell smartphones, something which many people have been saying all along.
      The other story here is that Apple is still playing catchup and their platform hasn't matured yet. Shame, they were once so innovative.

    14. Re:Missing a big factor by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Also worth noting that Apple somehow manages this while only offering 3 different options. Samsung has slightly higher market share but released 25 different phone models in 2017.

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    15. Re:Missing a big factor by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      r of market share really is a sliver, around 13% now. Depends who you ask of course. If you ask an Apple cultist, you will be left with the impression that it is 100%.

      Yeah, and that sliver is growing.

      In the same way that the parrot is not dead.

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  5. Over five billion Android phones in use by Tough+Love · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Based on the assumption that Android phones last about four years, which may be an underestimate (my own phone for example) then over five billion Android phones are in use right now. This is the real story, this is phenomenal. And all running Linux, this is even more phenomenal. We did something historical, maybe the biggest technology story ever. Certainly a key event in history.

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    1. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      iPhones do run BSD, idiot.

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    2. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      Based on the assumption that Android phones last about four years, which may be an underestimate (my own phone for example) then over five billion Android phones are in use right now. This is the real story, this is phenomenal. And all running Linux, this is even more phenomenal. We did something historical, maybe the biggest technology story ever. Certainly a key event in history.

      yeah NO, that is a really bad assumption, you really think over 60% of the worlds population now uses an android smartphone? smartphone users are currently estimated at 2-2.5 billion (that includes ALL not just android). Smartphone life is currently estimated at around 2 years not 4.

    3. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Oh god, conversing with you makes me feel like I got something on me. Ios kernel is a BSD deriviative. To this day it is still maintained principally by FreeBSD hackers, most of whom do not work for Apple, but happily take Apple's money. Take your attitude and stuff it high up your colon.

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    4. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      It seems unlikely that 5/7s the population is using an Android phone, or that their are enough double phone users to significantly impact that premise from 5 billion phones in use.

      Take out children, elderly, and super poor, it seems unlikely to me that their are even 5 billion smartphone users.

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    5. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      My "smartphone" is an iPhone 4 from 2010 (not sure) ... I replaced the battery in January.
      People might throw away their phones, but that has nothing to do with the "life span".

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    6. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      He is really an idiot, as even XNU is based on BSD ...

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    7. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by Teckla · · Score: 1

      Aren't you worried about security vulnerabilities in such an old model of the phone (thus firmwares) and OS?

    8. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      you really think over 60% of the worlds population now uses an android smartphone?

      Yes I do, that is why the sales growth stalled. Say, did you ever take a cab ride in a third world company? What is that in the driver's hand? Oh right, an android smartphone. See, everybody in the world who can afford a smartphone now has one. And given that used ones and low end ones are incredibly cheap, penetration is essentially the entire world, not just that little bubble full of unicorns that you live in.

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    9. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Whatever your source for statistics is, it is a bad one. Look, we know that Google shipped over 1 billion phones in 2015, yet some commonly cited statistics sources claim only 5% growth in total smartphones in use for that year. Somebody is out by more than a factor of 5, and it is not Google. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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    10. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by Tough+Love · · Score: 1
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    11. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by gravewax · · Score: 1

      then please find us a source. Every source I can see agrees that the numbers are somewhere around 2.5 billion for all smartphones in use. you are the one making up the stats that disagree with whats our there so please provide the citation!

    12. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      The numbers are not well tracked, because the total number of Android phones and iPhones as reported accurately by Google and Apple are far more than the installed phone base estimates spouted out by the likes of you, as any fool can see. Which makes you less than that.

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    13. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Why don't you find your own source, are you that incapable. Here is one that looks more like reality. See, it agrees with sales figures provided by Google and Apple, which if they are not accurate, will send people to jail. See how that might help? Now, where the fuck are you getting your numbers.

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    14. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      I'm not the only one asshole.

      Well, asshole, even if we let it slip that this a prediction for 2018 - you keep ignoring that "tiny sliver" iOS., you stupid turd.

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    15. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      XNU is a kernel. It's based on the Mach microkernel, it's not BSD.

      In Apple's operating systems, the virtual file system and network stack are based on BSD but have been substantially rewritten, the kernel is XNU and the device driver infrastructure was written from the ground up by Apple. There's a BSD compatibility layer and the userland command line tools are mostly BSD. Of course, the GUI and a lot of the other frameworks on top of all that Apple proprietary software.

      I don't know how much of the Linux kernel there is in an Android phone but it's probably more than there is BSD in an iOS device.

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    16. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by gravewax · · Score: 1

      I don't need a link, more than happy to use yours lol, even though those numbers are likely inflated by the ad company they still show you are a long way off. that link probably puts Android somewhere in the 3-3.5 billion range.

    17. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      When you say "looks more like reality" what you really mean is "agrees with your preconceptions". The 66% by the way is in 52 countries i.e. not the whole World.

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    18. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Based on the assumption that Android phones last about four years

      How did you justify that assumption?

    19. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I don't take issue with the sales numbers, but it doesn't follow that there are therefore 5 billion in use.

      1) your 4 year typical use assumption is quite likely wrong (I know it is in the US, I can't speak to the world at large).
      2) your 66% source (for a tech heavy weighted list) doesn't actually list what they're defining as 100% saturation., but they're predicting 90% penetration. I can't prove it, but it seems very likely they are leaving out at the very least young people (6.5% of US population is under 5 (2010 census), that doesn't leave much wiggle room to get to 90%.

      1 billion sales being a 5% increase means smartphones last a little over 2 years when there's 2.5 billion of them, where did you get your 4 year number?

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    20. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      No,
      I don't do anything that can trigger security problems, unless you think browsing /. is a security problem :D

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    21. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The Mach micro kernel is based on BSD.
      What is this nitpicking about?

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    22. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by Teckla · · Score: 1

      I think there are some vulnerabilities in other areas too, like in the Bluetooth and Wi-Fi drivers, that might leave you vulnerable just by having one or both of those radios on. Not 100% sure about that though and the risk is probably minimal since it would require close physical proximity.

    23. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Based on the assumption that Android phones last about four years

      How did you justify that assumption?

      Eyes are amazing, particularly when used for reading.

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    24. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I'm not the only one asshole.

      Well, asshole, even if we let it slip that this a prediction for 2018 - you keep ignoring that "tiny sliver" iOS., you stupid turd.

      Asshole, everybody knows that, but some of them have more than two neurons to rub together between their ears, unlike you.

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    25. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      When you say "looks more like reality" what you really mean is...

      "Agrees with the number of phones that we know were shipped." Yes, thank you, that is exactly what I meant, now go back to wanking on your internet porn.

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    26. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I don't need a link...

      Or a brain, it is wasted on you.

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    27. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      smartphones last a little over 2 years when there's 2.5 billion of them, where did you get your 4 year number?

      It is idiotic to suppose that smartphones only last 2 years when you are surrounded with evidence that they last at least twice as long. Where did get your 2 year number, and why would you trust that source?

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    28. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      What do you do with your own smartphone, drop it in the toilet twice a year to even out the figures?

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    29. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Usually concrete, but yeah, I break a lot of them.

      They've existed how long, 9 years? I've had at least eleven (this one is pretty old at 8 months though, and 2 or 3 were defective (or broken charging ports that got Jarred and we're soldered to the board) and one was lost while skiing).

      I suspect the number over time skews low because 5 or so years ago they were pretty rapidly improving and replacements were less likely break related vs today.

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    30. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      In 2014, the Google numbers imply under 24 months, but lengthening.

      https://www.ben-evans.com/bene...

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    31. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Read your own link ffs. "The last time a daily rate was given was in May 2013 (1.5m a day), and the last number for cumulative activations was in September 2013" and "This of course excludes China, where Android devices do not use Google services". Other gotchas no doubt, those ones just jumped off the page at me. On the other hand, Google can't distort the number it actually shipped, that's illegal. We know those numbers.

      Eleven phones in 9 years, nobody should listen to your opinion about how long a phone lasts.

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    32. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Oh no I read it. I just assumed if your entire point lingered on one key assumption you would have more than one anecdotal data point. Maybe you should do some reading next time before making a post.

    33. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I get it. Your eyes only work for reading my posts. Not for gathering data from any other source, except for dubious sources that happen to support your noncritical thinking.

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    34. Re:Over five billion Android phones in use by gravewax · · Score: 1

      I don't need a link...

      Or a brain, it is wasted on you.

      yeah obviously I am the one that needs a brain https://www.statista.com/stati... , you are the one that gave that link that proved yourself wrong. you came up with a stupid number for lifetime of phones and now try to defend it or deflect it.

  6. Re:Dup by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    It's a dup in the same way that having breakfast every day is a dup. We can't get enough of this particular news.

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  7. It's called "A Maturing Market" by knorthern+knight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1) At the beginning, item X (desktop PC, flatscreen TV, smartphone, whatever) is damn expensive and almost nobody except rich hipsters has one.

    2) As R&D costs are amortized and production lines ramp up, prices drop, more people can afford item X, and sales increase.

    3) Then really cheap Chinese knockoffs appear, and sales really take off.

    4) Eventually, everybody that wants one, and can afford one, has one. At that point sales drop down to replacement levels for older ones that wear out, fall on the floor, are stolen, whatever.

    A few years ago there was hoopla about "the end of the desktop PC". The PC market hasn't disappeared; it's matured and sales have stabilized at replacement levels. I expect the same to happen for smartphones.

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    1. Re:It's called "A Maturing Market" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So, funny story:

      Growing up I always had a desktop computer; from the Spectrum to the Amiga to Windows 7. I switched to laptops and OSX around Vista and I'm reasonably happy there.

      My cousins were a few years younger, and they made far more use of mobile devices, consoles for gaming, and had zero interest in general purpose computing outside of schoolwork. They'd borrow their parent's machines for homework, but everything else was on locked down devices. They're now getting into indie gaming and 3d modelling respectively and are absolutely blown away by how much more you can do on a real computer. The recent privacy headlines have further dissuaded them from the surveillance panopticon that is mobile computing.

      I think a big part of the slowdown in the desktop/laptop market has been due to mobile and tablets, but amongst their friend groups at least the trend seems to be swinging towards real computers.

    2. Re:It's called "A Maturing Market" by Raenex · · Score: 1

      This comment should be rated, "5: Obvious, but somebody had to say it."

  8. Even high-end phones are commodities now by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    My iPhone 6S will soon be 3 generations “behind”... but it does everything I want, and still gets security patches (as does its predecessor). Apple has apparently realized this - after all, they spent 1/3 of their iPhone spotlight event talking about how their glorious and great newest iPhone’s best feature was... turning yourself into a talking poop emoji. Oh, and they’ve once again made incremental improvements on the camera. Woo hoo!

    It’s not like it’s any different on the Android side, either.

    If you have a smartphone that was purchased within the past 4-5 years, and the phone is not physically broken - there’s just not a compelling reason to throw another $800-1000 at these companies.

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    1. Re:Even high-end phones are commodities now by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      but it does everything I want

      Advertise that you're too poor to afford a new fashion accessory every year?

    2. Re:Even high-end phones are commodities now by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Are they even fashion accessories anymore? I can't remember the last time anyone was 'excited' to see what kind of phone someone had. At least not since the Samsung whatevers were catching fire: "oh is that one of those ones that will explode? when are they sending you a new one?" Conversely, the last time I was on a campus I was shocked to see how many people had Apple Watches, in general public or at work there are few enough people wearing a watch of any kind, perhaps a fitness tracker here and there.

    3. Re:Even high-end phones are commodities now by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Advertise that you're too poor to afford a new fashion accessory every year?

      Dude, look at my username - that ship has sailed.

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    4. Re:Even high-end phones are commodities now by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Are they even fashion accessories anymore? I can't remember the last time anyone was 'excited' to see what kind of phone someone had.

      Better question: Were they ever? I mean clearly they are some sort of symbol to someone. I doubt anyone upgraded their iPhone 7 to an 8 for all those amazing things their 7 couldn't do. Yet there are plenty of people who jumped on the opportunity for some reason. Someone still considers it as a symbol rather than a functional mini-computer / phone.

    5. Re:Even high-end phones are commodities now by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Bahahahhaah. Oh. Have an internet cookie. I tip my hat to you!

      Side note: I was being sarcastic, but that's kind of irrelevant now that I've spat coffee all over my laptop. :-D

    6. Re:Even high-end phones are commodities now by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Side note: I was being sarcastic, but that's kind of irrelevant now that I've spat coffee all over my laptop. :-D

      My work here is done!

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    7. Re:Even high-end phones are commodities now by antdude · · Score: 1

      My folks still like their 6 Pluses even though they are slower with iOS v11.x. I am OK with my free 4S I got from one of them even though very slow, bad original battery life, and unsupported. I rarely use it, but they want me to have a mobile phone. :/

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  9. The only reason I replaced my last phone... by Lordfly · · Score: 2

    ...was because the USB port finally gave out. I now have a Samsung Galaxy S8 Active. It's boring, it looks like a grey rectangle, but I can go swimming with it if I want to. Assuming the stupid built-in battery doesn't die out exactly when my two years are up, I'm gonna keep this around for a long time. All I use my phone for is some photography social media and web usage. I don't need a super duper phone.

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    1. Re:The only reason I replaced my last phone... by Dzimas · · Score: 1

      Samsung will replace the battery for about $79. There's no need to replace your phone just because the battery's failing.

    2. Re:The only reason I replaced my last phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My phone battery costs $3.50 delivered and I pull them out and put them in all the time.

      This might be a cause of the decline in new phone sales, they're all crap now.

    3. Re:The only reason I replaced my last phone... by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      The forms seem to have all settled on an "all screen" look. Looking to sci-fi, I guess next will be where it is just a little handle and the screen either unrolls or projects out the side... then maybe the same idea but it comes out of a wristwatch instead of being large enough you need to keep it in your pocket?

  10. 2GB RAM are enough, I guess by drolli · · Score: 1

    My Note II from 2012 has 2GB, and the only reason I updated my phone was because there was no OS update any more. My current phone has specs similar to the old one, and i am perfectly fine with it. So I guess the market saturated simply because replacing your android phones will not give you as my added usability as it was a few years back.

    1. Re:2GB RAM are enough, I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/t0lte

    2. Re:2GB RAM are enough, I guess by drolli · · Score: 1

      sorry - i have then non LTE version

  11. I have two thousand US dollars... by nightfire-unique · · Score: 2

    I have two thousand US dollars to spend on a smartphone, because I haven't upgraded since 2013. My note 3 has a replaceable battery, full sensor complement, headphone jack, MicroSD slot, hardware home button, silkscreen back/menu buttons, IR blaster, unlocked bootloader...

    There doesn't exist an equivalent phone, let alone a better phone. However, if any company is interested in making an actual flagship phone (think: ugly, powerful, maintainable, and with no wear items glued in), then I will pay two thousand US dollars for it.

    Do you hear me, Samsung?

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