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'Pirates' Tend To Be the Biggest Buyers of Legal Content, Study Shows (vice.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Motherboard: According to a paywalled survey of 1,000 UK residents by anti-piracy outfit MUSO first spotted by Torrent Freak, 60 percent of those surveyed admitted that they had illegally streamed or downloaded music, film, or TV shows sometime in the past. But the study also showed that 83 percent of those questioned try to find the content they are looking for through above board services before trying anything else. And while the study found that 86 percent of survey takers subscribe to a streaming subscription service like Netflix, that total jumped to 91 percent among those that admit to piracy. The survey found that the top reason that users pirate is the content they were looking for wasn't legally available (34 percent) was too cumbersome or difficult to access (34 percent), or wasn't affordable (35 percent). "The entertainment industry tends to envisage piracy audiences as a criminal element, and writes them off as money lost -- but they are wrong to do so," MUSO executive Paul Briley said of the study's findings. "The reality is that the majority of people who have gone through the effort of finding and accessing such unlicensed content are, first and foremost, fans -- fans who are more often than not trying to get content legally if they can," Briley added.
So the upshot of this study is that people who consume a lot of content consume a lot of content, and they consume some of that content legally.
That's it. There's no indication that people who download lots of contents are some huge fanbase.
the more they stay the same.
A few years ago I came across a magazine article from 1981. Back then, the record companies were complaining about "piracy". The villain, they said, was cassette tape recorders. People were using cassette decks to record their friends albums, instead of buying them.
So the RIAA commissioned a study which they hoped to take to the government and convince them to do something to stop this terrible problem. Unfortunately (for the RIAA), the study showed that people who owned cassette decks bought 80% more albums than people who didn't. And the study was shelved and never pursued.
But isn't. The material I pirate are material that would be really, really hard to come by (rarer music and movies). I have Netflix and Amazon Prime, in addition to having additional accounts here and there. At some point my CD collection was over 600 and my DVD collection over 800.
Another issue is also that I feel like I paid my dues. Between cassettes, CDs, DVDs, bullshit cable TV subscription for 30 years, I feel like I'm done contributing for the most part. I don't watch recent movies, and if I do, I pay for them. I definitely don't listen to today's crap music. So when I'm looking for a song from the 40's, I hit YouTube and rip the music out. Even 80's would be the same.
At the end of the day, it's the studios that fucked themselves up the ass by gouging their user base. Had they not been so greedy and made music affordable and available, they wouldn't have half the problems they're having right now.
I used to (5-10 years ago) buy a lot of DVDa and Blu-Rays.
But I almost always bought them used. So no income for any movie/content companies. Oh well.
Netflix's DVD business is alive and well with 100,000 titles. As for Netflix's streaming service, it offers only 5,600 titles.
It is the wrong question.
Not: Do you download? How big is your media library? What % did you (get legally/rip from media you own)?
Also: Argh...When private media servers are outlawed, outlaws will change their firewall configuration.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
When I was 18, I had almost 300 CDs and about 30 tapes. It was what I spent a lot of my income on (all discretionary living with the parents and all). Around that time, the RIAA started suing its customers. I'm now 35, and I've probably bought 25-30 albums from major labels since then (and another 30 or so from small, local acts). For years, I would not buy from any label in any way associated with the RIAA. Services like Rhapsody and Spotify are part of that, but I made the decision on principle not to do business with hostiles years ago. I WAS a big buyer of legal content. Now it's spotify for $10/mo and I don't give a rats ass about the artists or the leaches.
I subscribe to both the MLB and NHL internet services- and I find myself on mlbstreams/nhlstreams far more often than I should have to.
It is sad when the user experience on the legal paid services is far worse than the pirated option
I don't pay for (((American))) stuff.
I also subscribe to Netflix and a local streaming service too.
Pretty much everything I download I could watch on one of these two services. It's just much easier for me to download it to my phone so I can watch on my daily commute without wasting mobile data.
Even if I had unlimited data, it would be annoying for it to cut out when the train went through tunnels. The speed is pretty slow even on LTE too, when you're sitting in a metal tube with 100 other LTE devices.
I still pay for Netflix, Amazon Prime, & PS Vue. But I download all the shows I enjoy and put them on a personal media server just so I can have everything in one place for my viewing pleasure. I could very easily stop paying for all of those services and still keep watching whatever I want. But I can afford to do so and the cost is still far far less than paying for straight up cable.
creimer left slashdot for youtube months ago but his channel only gets 4 views a day and 1 comment a month so this doesn't quite satisfy creimer's need for attention which is as big as his appetite.
So, he keeps opening suck puppet accounts on Slashdot in order to get some kind of attention.
+1 insightful
We actually think that his need for attention is linked to his overweight problem.
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this is how you fill out your library of missing titles!
You know this is true for me. I just about posted my thoughts about this to another article last night. When I used to download movies I kind of felt obligated to go watch four or 5 a year. Now that I've stopped they're lucky if I watch one. Netflix it is these days and on a 65 inch tv at home it's a superior experience to the theatre where I have to turn off my phone and share the space with other people.. And I still maintain that most newer movies are absolute shit relying on special effects rather than acting and good plots.
Importantly, what this is saying is that a portion of the population that pirates do so for reasons that the distributors control or can address.
Increasingly draconian DRM and punitive punishment does little to either decrease piracy or create more customers.
Increasing the ease of access to content and either lowering price and/or offering some kind of tiered pricing will do both.
I try to buy all the content I like: stuff like GoT, The Expanse, good indie music, etc.
However, especially for video content, I watch pirated versions, even though I own it legally. Why? Because of the content protection clusterfuck and studios trying to dictate what devices I can play it on and monetize where and when I play it.
Fuck off with that. I'll buy the series to support the actors and production crew. I'll watch rips of same to avoid the MPAA shitfest.
I'm probably a dullard because I still buy retail CDs and DVDs. The first thing I do when I get home with a new DVD is to rip it to my media server. I'm sick to death of sitting through 5-10 minutes of unskippable advertising and legal notices before I even get to the root menu. Thank goodness format shifting is still legal in our country or I wouldn't be buying anything at all.
And in the eyes of the media companies, you might as well have pirated it. So why don't you?
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Never mind.. what country is format shifting legal in?
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
How does a bare account with no bio, no signature and no links bring attention to creimer?
I download some movies etc, but I also have over 100 movies on laserdisc and over 500 records and a smaller CD collection.
Laserdisc, records and CDs do not have DRM or unskippable ads.
One of the reasons people pirate is because their is NO legal purchasing option available.
The classic example is games for the 8-bit computers. Can you buy these title anymore? 99% nope. If you are lucky you might be able to find a used copy on eBay.
No one is losing money when people pirate a game that came out out 40 years ago for a "dead" platform -- especially when the original developer(s) and publishers are long out of business.
Same thing with TV shows. Where can I buy seasons 1 through N for my favorite 80's show? Let alone at a _reasonable_ price? Chances are it isn't even available. So I can understand people pirating them.
Sadly, most companies view piracy as some sort of "distribution problem" -- it isn't. Piracy shows there is a demand. The "free" price is just an added bonus.
Also these dumb fucks would rather it make it illegal to pirate a ripped DVD / BluRay of a movie you already own so you can skip all the bullshit "unskippable" trailers.
The Law is so out of touch with reality that it isn't even funny.
Guarantee you that The Expanse was saved by pirates downloading the show. If it wasn't for the response of the pirate community on forums and chats to go buy the show on Amazon, it would have been cancelled.
It just amazes me how little these idiots underestimate this medium and the pirate community. How completely under utilized it is for many shows to gauge if a show is popular or not. You can actually tell if a tv show is absolutely shit by looking how many seeders it has on torrent sites.
People pirate because they want to see if it's worth watching.
When downloading wasnâ(TM)t illegal and The Pirate Bay wasnâ(TM)t blocked in the Netherlands, I downloaded a lot and bought the movies I liked. Being a movie fan, it was quite a lot. But now (thanks BREIN), I donâ(TM)t download anymore. I havenâ(TM)t bought a new movie for at least half a year.
It doesn't have to be like this. All we need to do is make sure we keep talking.
I never used to spend any money at all on music and movies,.. 20 years ago when I was in my twenties.
But then free stuff came along and I consumed a heap of it because it was free.
Now I am really into music and film and spend actual real money on it.
At least for me personally,.. piracy was the best promotion tool the entertainment industry has ever had.
Most of the stuff I've pirated I've bought later.
I have a shitload of blurays.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Increasingly draconian DRM and punitive punishment does little to either decrease piracy or create more customers.
Precisely! Literally the only person DRM has the power to hurt is the paying customer. The preson who gets it from the Pirate Bay (or whatever the current equivalent is) gets a nice clean product by comparison. No adverts. No crappy "streaming" which keeps flipping back to 320p for no good reason, no format shifting limitations etc etc.
Piracy isn't just free, it gives a beter product.
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#GoodbyeShareware
I bought about five DVDs in a row where the copy protection prevented them from playing on the only DVD player I owned - my laptop. Having shelled out about 20 euro for the DVD, I'd then have to download an illegal torrent to watch the legally-purchased movie.
Do that often enough, and yarrrr going to optimise the process.
I paid $80 for season 1 and then paid for a subscription to see the other seasons but I couldnâ€(TM)t download them to watch offline. So I pirated the entire series and will cancel the subscription when Iâ€(TM)m done watching.
Thirteen 16 minute episodes (the average amount of new content per episode) for $20 is far too expensive. Especially for 200+ episodes. So, I figured $100 for 320 minutes of entertainment is more than fair. Especially for content that is 10 years old.
Otherwise, I buy all my stuff.
How many times does a study have to show that those "pirates" are also the biggest supporters of the media industry that they're "pirating" from? Movies, music, games, whatever. Hell, when it came to music sold at a "give what you think is warranted" scheme such as the one Radiohead did, the HIGHEST payers on average were Linux owners, the median payers were Apple users and the lowest were Microsoft users. DESPITE all the caterwauls of how linux users are "too cheap" to PAY for their OS. And, despite a massive count of peope going "I pay NOTHING! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!", Radiohead made far more money from this scheme than they did under the "YOU MUST PAY" scheme that has the only negotiation "Pay or Pirate".
IT MATTERS NOT ONE JOT how many people pirate your shit. NOTHING changes if it's pirated or not bought AT ALL. ALL that matters is HOW MANY BOUGHT YOUR STUFF. If that was enough to make a profit, then you won. If you didn't make enough, you lost. WHY you list MIGHT be "pirates nicked my stuff" but never has been so far. 90% of new ventures fail in the first three years, a figure that doesn't get worse if it's a product you can pirate.
It doesn't matter who "pirates" your stuff. Are enough people BUYING it? Antipiracy is just a cost center and helps not at all, even if it is proof against "pirates" (which it never is), all it does is annoy the customers and put people off BEING customers.
And, yes, that includes you morons who complain about people who say "Can you drop the DRM" "you only want to pirate this". Nope, they want the DRM gone. It never stops pirates and never installs on their computer to aggravate them either, unlike customers. YOU just want to whine that people dare "Vote with their Wallet" and not buy your favorite product, making you feel like you're not normal any more.
Music? Bootlegged off friends on mix tapes, bought the ones I liked.
Games? Demo disks and warezed from BBS, borrowed from friends, bought the ones I liked.
Movies? Copied off friends or watched round friends houses, bought the ones I liked.
But when they started cracking down on piracy and especially with all this always-on internet-needed on-line activation stuff, I stopped doing that. I have also been trying to maintain a boycott of anything that needs on-line activation, which is increasingly difficult.
I've found these things have cut my exposure to new media drastically, especially software due to my DRM boycott, and the amount of new media I purchase has drained to a trickle. Mostly the odd thing on bandcamp or GOG every now and then.
It turns out piracy was great advertising!
I feel it is a shame; If they took all the time, money and effort they waste on trying to stop piracy, and used it to make it easier to a) buy stuff without giving all your personal details, and b) Made it easier to find stuff in the sea of crap that all types of media now float in, things would be better for all sides...
Stamping out piracy is a fools errand; Converting pirates into paying customers is a much more lucrative goal.
Format shifting is legal in many EU countries.
How to legally skip "unskippable" trailers:
Put the DVD in a linux PC. Not for ripping, but for viewing. Connect PC to your TV if you don't want small screen.
Now, look at the files on the DVD. The largest is the movie, the smaller ones are trailers and menu stuff. So just play the largest file.
Why don't someone make a commercial DVD/bluray player that does just this? Sure, it might be a special interest item, but any high-end (Over 10x the price of cheap players) are expensive special interest items anyway. A player that goes straight to the movie by default, using whatever defaults you have set for language/subtitling/surround. If you want to see the menu for scene selection or other setup, you press the menu button. Of course you can then select the trailers as well. But the default should be to spin up the DVD, then start playing the main movie. I'd buy one and never look back.
There’s another possible interpretation as well. People tend to want to justify their own actions; it’s entirely possible that people who are “unethical” enough to download content (I put the word in quotes as I do it myself) may also have little compunction about lying in a survey in order to save face. By furthering the image that pirates aren’t bad people, just people without legal options, they make themselves the victim rather than the offender.
Just a thought.
I was very poor as a kid, and now I'm a successful IT professional. As soon as vintage games became available on GOG and Steam I started adding them all to my collection. I don't really have time to play a lot of computer games but I like being able to imbibe the occasional dose of nostalgia, and the fuzzy feeling of doing what's right.
I pirate, mostly TV shows, secondarily movies.
I also am a paying subscriber of Netflix, Hulu and Apple Music. I have a "platinum" package from Comcast including all the premium movie channels. My cable bill is over $250/month even though I rarely actually watch things on cable.
My pirating serves two purposes. One is just time-shifting things I already get legally. The other is getting things that are just not really available through legal outlets like older shows.
The reason I subscribe to all those services is because I see that as my payment. And I know the lawyers and philosophers would say I'm rationalizing and it's still wrong but screw them. I'm giving "big media" going on $4000 year in various ways and that's enough, I DESERVE to get all I can eat a la carte movies and shows.
That is not a true statement. You do not just pay $10.00 a month -- and you know it.
What about your internet (of at least $80.00/month in U.S.)? Are you trying to be silly?
If you want to be taxed for the rest of you life to listen to music you probably purchased
in the 70's, that's your choice. Please don't look down on smarter people who purchase
a product once instead of the same product thousands of times. You okay with that?
Try not to bother me with this dribble any further, please...
CAP === 'perspire'
It was, briefly, legal in the UK, until a number of corporate cunts challenged the law in the high court.
However, officially legal or not I shall continue to do it under my interpretation of fair use.
I'm all for artists (and indeed the industry as a whole) making money on their work, but I'm buggered if I'm paying for the same song 5 times so I can listen to it on my PC, laptop, phone, stereo, and in the car.
I may be wrong, but I think one explanation is that people like to try a movie or CD before buying it.
Importantly, what this is saying is that a portion of the population that pirates do so for reasons that the distributors control or can address.
Increasingly draconian DRM and punitive punishment does little to either decrease piracy or create more customers.
Increasing the ease of access to content and either lowering price and/or offering some kind of tiered pricing will do both.
Exactly. Sometimes I'll simply order CD's and videos from Amazon or from my local used-CD-and-video store. Sometimes I torrent stuff because I want it now, and I'm just not into subscribing to anything. I may keep only the torrent - possibly because I don't like the content as much as I thought I would, or I can't find it elsewhere, or it's ridiculously expensive because of various 'artificial scarcity' mechanisms. But in a fairly high percentage of cases, I'll buy a CD after I download an album. I like having something I can hold and look at, and the sound may be better than what I downloaded.
I also like to have the 'hold in my hand and put on a shelf' experience with movies. But the DRM, and the unskippable FBI warnings, advertisements, and other 'action not allowed' shit that videos are encumbered with, makes buying the physical object a much less compelling prospect. If they were easier to rip and copy, then I'd buy, rip, and have the content conveniently on my Patriot Player and on my computer. But since ripping is a pain in the ass, and somebody else has graciously already done that part and posted it for others to enjoy, I often torrent it and forego the actual disc.
I do my best to buy stuff that enables and supports my autonomy and my right to do with my purchases as I see fit. But those who cause prices to be too high via artificial scarcity, or who want me to pay more for something that's less convenient and flexible, or who attempt to control what I buy AFTER I buy it - well, they get WAY less of my money than they would if they weren't such cowering control freaks.
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
Guarantee you that The Expanse was saved by pirates downloading the show. If it wasn't for the response of the pirate community on forums and chats to go buy the show on Amazon, it would have been cancelled.
It just amazes me how little these idiots underestimate this medium and the pirate community. How completely under utilized it is for many shows to gauge if a show is popular or not. You can actually tell if a tv show is absolutely shit by looking how many seeders it has on torrent sites.
People pirate because they want to see if it's worth watching.
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
Well said.
To build upon the answers of that AC and that AC,
let's translate to a slightly more modern time :
In the early 80s, functionally :
- vinyl played the same role as audio CDs played a decade or so ago (the media that you buy your music on),
- tape cassettes played the role that USB stick or CD-R/RW played at the same time on which you could write heavily compressed MP3s with your whole collection of favorite palylist, that you stick in your MP3-compatible car radio.
Or iPod/other MP3 player, plugged in the car's AUX-in port if you're unlucky to have a car radio that doesn't support MP3 and doesn't have a standard DIN format so you could swap it easily with a better one.
(Really gettho solution: small FM-emitter attached to the iPod/MP3 player, broadcasting your own private local radio within the confine of the car to which you could tune your car radio. Or which other people stuck in the same traffic JAM could eavesdrop, because lots of these emitter came from China and weren't that precise with frequency broadcasting legislation).
In other words, both with cassettes and later with CR-R/USB sticks/MP3 player, there was a ton copying going on, but it wasn't that much what the **AA call "stealing" but much more for format shifting. Which back then was still considered completely legal.
Still, some jurisdiction managed to impose taxes on blank media, on ground that the media was mostly used for "stealing" so that the content owner get compensated for every blank media sold (e.g.: France had a tax on blank CD-R/RW. There are case of french people sued for "piracy" that have successfully defended, arguing that they only burned downloaded content on media that is taxed (CD-R/RW) and that the burned media was only used privately - no commercial exploitation )
or more "nowadays" example:
- vinyl played the same role as your Spotify/Netflix/Youtube Pro subscription (The thing you pay to obtain music).
- tape played the same role as your 400gb A1 microSDXC card into your smartphone's slot (The thing on which you copy it, to be able to listen to it while on the go, by streaming it to your car's bluetooth receiver).
The subtle difference is that nowadays, due to DMCA law and similar laws in other countries format shifting might be considered outlawed in some jurisdiction.
(US, I think ?)
(Here in CH, the local DMCA-like clone has exceptions explicitely put in place for Fair-Use exception of the copyright law, which in turn lists "technical reasons" as a reason which could be argued to cover gray areas such as "My device doesn't support the format of my legal music that I have legally purchased, I need to format shift and for that I need to blow up the encryption". Though it hasn't been tester in court)
So nowadays, the format shifting (from streaming to on-card) is done by the app itself controller by the content provider and is still protected by some form of DRM. (Netflix and Spotify apps store in their own private storage, and you should not be able to open this content with the VLC app).
On the other hand, these app can offer better quality for offline storage than for streaming (you could set Spotify to use a lower quality setting when streaming music on the go over 3G, and a higher quality setting when downloading and storing playlists over Wifi).
That wasn't necessarily the case back with tape (most people only could afford cheap lower quality tape material, and cheaper higher noise recorders - the end result being poorer quality than the original. But who cares, the point is to listen to it while on the go in a noisy car. Silent e-Car weren't a thing back then*)
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* - There *were* e-vehicles even back in the (late) 80s (/90s): Citroen did have NiCd-powered mini-vans even back then. They were mainly used to fuel economy for frequent "stop-and-go" in city routes : Mostly used by postal services. But outside of postal service, e-cars weren't a thing, indeed.
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Who the fuck is doing the math on these things? How am I to believe these stats if you are rounding up a percent on everything.
I do my best to buy stuff that enables and supports my autonomy and my right to do with my purchases as I see fit. But those who cause prices to be too high via artificial scarcity, or who want me to pay more for something that's less convenient and flexible, or who attempt to control what I buy AFTER I buy it - well, they get WAY less of my money than they would if they weren't such cowering control freaks.
I agree. I will pay more for games I buy on GOG than I will for games on Steam, Origin, etc. I've paid full price for games on GOG. On Steam, I wait until the price has dropped 50% and it goes on a 75% off sale, or more. My average Steam purchase is probably around $4.99. It could even be less than that, since most of those games came from the various games bundles.
How to legally skip "unskippable" trailers:
Put the DVD in a linux PC.
That depends on your local jurisdiction.
Here around in most European countries it should be legal (With some exceptions)
In the US : actually, no.
On two grounds :
1 - DRM and DMCA.
Any media since the DVD is encrypted (okay, its often encrypted with some laughable scheme that barely qualifies as such in the eyes of most cryptographers. Cue in usual discussion that "Bob" and "Eve" are the same person). Let's call it "scrambled" which is closer to reality.
DCMA restricts you severly in how you can un-scramble it. Even something as stupid as the CSS on DVDs that can be trivially broken with libdvdcss. This piece of code is considered illegal in the US (and is hosted by the VLC project *in France* were it is considered legal under fair use)
BlueRays and HDDVDs have similar problem as you need to break their AACS.
2 - Patents
More recent media (e.g.: BlueRays) use codecs for video (H264, H265) and audio (AAC) which are covered by patents.
Libraries that can decompress them are considered illegal in jurisdictions that recognize software patents (e.g. US) as they don't have a license to the patents.
You would need to obtain a patent to the corresponding codec before being able to run libavcodec.
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dont forget you have lost your privacy. they know everything you've listened to, skipped or paused. Don't want to have to be connected to enjoy anything just so others can watch me. Dinosaurs can keep living.
It's legal in the USA until you circumvent protection to do it. Enjoy format shifting your vinyl, I guess.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I doubt the he is only using the internet for music.
It's like saying you need to include the cost of your house as part of the purchase price for that music you bought in the 70's since you have to store it somewhere.
You know, the more we talk about the importance of privacy for mundane shit like pausing music, the more we dilute the importance of privacy to the masses
I buy stuff, discover the disc won't play and/or accuses me of being a pirate, so I then download the content so I can actually watch it.
We're also some of the biggest consumers of digital content. The reason I pirate TV and movies is a simple one. Streaming is becoming just like cable TV. I have to pay a streaming service to watch one show. This is why I was an early adopter of Netflix in the first place. I wanted a one stop shop for all the media. I have prime, Netflix, and Hulu, and it's ridiculous that Im starting to miss out on shows when I'm paying comparable money for internet fast enough to stream and each of these services as I was when I was paying directtv. Rather than a few dollars at most for a channel, I'm paying up to 20 dollars for a service with 90% of the same media with a couple shows that aren't on the others, maybe one of which I actually watch. I will likely continue to pay for those services, but Kodi sickbeard, couch potato and use net are getting more and more use in my household the more this happens.
If it smells like a fuck and types like a fuck, it's a fucking creimer. Chris, you don't even change your boring anecdotes and stupid jokes, we recognize you as easily as if you were sitting on our laps crushing our femurs.
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Enjoy format shifting your vinyl, I guess.
Or CDs. Right?
This is possible. I also never give too much weight to a single study.
That said, as a musician, I would often "trial" songs/bands not typically aired on the radio (this was before Pandora and Spotify, etc..) by downloading them from Usenet first; if I liked the band, I went and bought all their CDs so as to support them: Type O Negative, Lacuna Coil and Killswitch Engage are a few examples. There is also material however that I felt "meh" about, most I deleted but probably not everything, tbh.
I just find it annoying when people espouse the victim mindset to justify their pirating. Nothing says 'entitlement' more than that.
Look back up at my post, now look back down, you're on the Internet. Now look back up. I'm a signature.
Enjoy format shifting your vinyl, I guess.
Or CDs. Right?
The situation with CDs is substantially more complicated, since there actually are copy protection schemes and the DMCA makes it illegal to subvert those. It remains legal to copy audio CDs for which the copy protection bit is not set.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Actually, no need to prorate your internet costs into your music or Netflix costs because most would have Internet anyway for porn, I mean general surfing.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
Hahahaha. You so funny.
Trump 2020
Four more years.
That's the point I was trying to make :)
"So the upshot of this study is that people who consume a lot of content consume a lot of content, and they consume some of that content legally."
The study showed they consume more legal content than those who don't pirate. It doesn't matter if you consume boatloads of content and 90% of it is illegal if the 10% which is legal amounts for more than the people with no illegal content.
That was a great dream, unfortunately the content companies spread their content across multiple services to keep you from just paying x/mo to a service and streaming everything. They also shift it around so that shows and movies you like disappear from the streaming services. Trust me, I know I have subscriptions to hulu, netflix, amazon prime, every premium cable and movie channel, and go to the movies here and there as well. I still have to pirate 99% of my content.
I'd live with DRM and streaming if streaming services actually bothered with decent audio instead of just worrying about video and if the content companies didn't distribute the content among them rather than combining together into a massive streaming service or selling to all of them with no exclusivity.
Movies and shows not being available on the major streaming platforms alongside live air time isn't acceptable, neither is movies and shows disappearing from streaming services, random episodes missing, seasons missing, etc.
I've got to keep my crew entertained with something while we're hiding out in Tortuga.
Have gnu, will travel.
Or it could just be that Bezo's really likes the books and was upset when SyFy got the broadcast rights for it. So when they dropped it, he jumped on it.
Are you talking about TrueHD vs DD+?
The vast majority of people using streaming services are lucky to have a soundbar versus their TV's built-in speakers.
That said Atmos is possible over DD+ and Netflix is rolling out content that includes it.
Commenters here clearly are illiterate so let me break it down:
103% of people who pirated (lol some overlap there clearly) said they did it because the content they are trying to legally obtain, is bullshit to obtain. Big fucking surprise right? Oh wait, no it isn't. If I were trying to play Chrono Trigger on PC before 2018, and it literally wasn't available, what were my options? Emulate iOS or Android and then pirate the game, or, use my legal copy from those OS's, on PC.
What do you think I would do as a reasonable person? Run Bluestacks and it's 42 processes just so I can play a game I've played before?
Or download ZSnes?
The answer is obvious. But guess what people did when they released it on Steam.
The answer is the same for everything.
Yes. People who are actually trying to buy the content are probably not a big chunk of the people, but that also just goes to show that the people who are downloading things never actually intended to buy them in the first place, and they aren't to be considered as lost revenue.
When Plex is an alternative that allows a MODERN media system without ever once putting a dvd into anything, that suggestion is completely ridiculous and archaic. It's 2018.
No one has used a DVD for any reason in at least 10 years, nor should they have to.
This.
"Piracy" of certain types is 100% entirely under the publisher, developer, distributor, creator, or whoever elses control, in a lot of these situations.
SNES,Genesis, N64, GameCube, Wii, PS1, PS2, 360, PS3, DS, other emulators? The vast majority of said "illegal" emulation is occurring because the people with the power to do so, the people who stand to profit off of finding a legal way to capitalize on this demand, do not try, do not give a shit, or do not want to. The same goes for the pirating. For example a lot of people don't want to put up with Denuvo because they believe wholly in a myth that Denuvo affects performance (it doesn't). So they won't buy Ubisoft games. Or they also don't want to deal with uPlay on top of already dealing with Steam.
On the other side you also have the publishers doing a poor job of trying to capitalize on the demand, releasing shitty nostalgiaboxes like the "classic" emulator boxes. Some of these are understandable because the rights to distribute the products aren't owned or whatever, some aren't. Some stuff like emulation of Wii or PS3 or whatever games exists because companies refuse, like Red Dead Redemption, to port a game that has proven demand, to PC.
Another example has been commented on repeatedly already - DVDs. Movies, TV shows in general. First of all, TV seasons are SUPER overpriced. We're talking like $50 a season for the blurays if not more. These are shows where the money is being made off of advertisements, too, many of them. And there's literally no way to watch them even on the hard drive of your own DVR after a while without buying the box set, if one even exists. Like the 2008 version of Andromeda Strain, tell me, how do I legally obtain that? Colbert Report? Last Week Tonight? Daily Show? Do these shows even have physical releases? Who would buy physical releases of a comedy news show?
Movies? Movies are bullshit. They sill rely on an antiquated 100+ year old model of forcing people to attend theaters to pay 1 time to see a movie and they have to pay the same price for as many weeks as its in theaters if they want to see it again. When it does come to disc, the bluray is 4x more than the ticket and it STILL has loads of trailers and ads on it. Not to mention it too becomes antiquated as new technology replaces it, or the company releases a better version of the disc the way LOTR, Blade Runner, Star Wars, etc. have 5+ cuts and releases.
Finally someone after my own heart.
I ENTIRELY agree.
There is no reason I should be forced to view a movie in a theater once and not be allowed to buy the same quality experience the day it comes out to experience at home.
I would see SO MANY more movies, legally, the difference is between 0 and 100%. if I could literally buy the bluray on release day or at least a digital copy - even for a higher price. Not to be construed as an argument in support of fast lanes and Marxist pricing, but I know what I want and I know what I'm willing to put up with. I'm willing to pay more than the average moviegoing plebeian for the opportunity not to have to deal with them and still be able to discuss a movie the next morning with my friends and coworkers.
A lot of people could cancel cable Internet and make do with 10 GB/mo of mobile tethering were it not for video streams and game downloads.
Just speaking for myself.
I bought all the command and conquer games, I also pirated all the command and conquer games. Simply because I get tired of Origin.
I bought all the just cause games, I also pirated all the just cause games. Don't like being forced to have steam running all the time.
I have bought games like gta v, I also have pirated gta v. Hate the social club forced login shit.
I own starbound and teraria on steam, I also own starbound and terraria on gog. Once again, don't want to be forced to have steam running.
I have over a thousand dvd and blue rays sitting on a shelf. I also have several hundred of those same movies downloaded as files on my server. Much easier to run a plex server that every tv, tablet, phone, and other computer in my house can easily access than try to float discs around and deal with 20 minutes of forced unskipable federal warnings and trailers for other shit, or cinavia.
I have no problem with paying for what I like. But I hate all the big brother crap on top.