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Justice Department Seizes Reporter's Phone, Email Records In Leak Probe (thehill.com)

According to The New York Times, the Department of Justice seized a New York Times reporter's phone and email records this year in an effort to probe the leaking of classified information, the first known instance of the DOJ going after a journalist's data under President Trump. The Hill reports: The Times reported Thursday that the DOJ seized years' worth of records from journalist Ali Watkins's time as a reporter at BuzzFeed News and Politico before she joined The Times in 2017 as a federal law enforcement reporter, according to the report Thursday. Watkins was alerted by a prosecutor in February that the DOJ had years of records and subscriber information from telecommunications companies such as Google and Verizon for two email accounts and a phone number belonging to her. Investigators did not receive the content of the records, according to The Times. The newspaper reported that it learned of the letter on Thursday.

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  1. And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I assume we're supposed to be outraged at this because Trump.

    Except they're going after someone leaking classified information to a reporter during a "three year relationship" with her. So basically they caught someone sending her secrets, got a warrant, and are now going after the leaker using that evidence. With due process. Like they're supposed to.

    Apparently we're supposed to be outraged because she's a reporter. Except this type of stuff happened all the time under Obama and no one in the media cared then. So the sudden outrage is a bit... weird.

    1. Re: And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure that since wolfe and watkins were screwing, this is less about journalistic integrity and more about the incredible fact that it took the feds and spooks three years to confirm the leaker's identity.

    2. Re:And? by sycodon · · Score: 0

      I wonder if they did at 5:30AM, with guns drawn.

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    3. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except this type of stuff happened all the time under Obama and no one in the media cared then.

      Bullshit. There were lots of complaints.

      Criticism of Mr. Obama's stance on press freedom, government transparency and secrecy is hotly disputed by the White House, but many journalism groups say the record is clear. Over the past eight years, the administration has prosecuted nine cases involving whistle-blowers and leakers, compared with only three by all previous administrations combined. It has repeatedly used the Espionage Act, a relic of World War I-era red-baiting, not to prosecute spies but to go after government officials who talked to journalists.

    4. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except you missed the part where it wasn't classified information he is accused of leaking.

    5. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As for one in the free world, I know the freedom of press is a prerequisite to the freedom of speech. The freedom of press needs the right to the confidentiality of the sources. A warrant should only be upon probable cause : the warrant should concern a person suspected of a crime. There is no crime for a journalist to keep his sources confidential, this is a basic right for freedom. Consequently, there is no probable cause, no probable cause for search or seizure.

      This concept is notably in the European Convention on Human Rights.

      But I am not sure if the USA is in the free world.

    6. Re: And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah and supposedly we in western countries have an absolute right of confidentiality with a lawyer. Didn't stop NY from raiding Cohen's house and take ALL his records.

      The press seemed awfully silent on that. So who should have a higher standard for expected privacy, lawyers or Journalists? Personally I'd go with the former.

    7. Re:And? by JakeBurn · · Score: 1

      You seem to be confused as to what was in TFA. They subpoenaed a blanket list of contacts and didn't get anything that was actually sent inside any emails. They have a list of people that had access to that classified information and used the contact list to compare including her personal relationship with someone they must think is a likely source of the leaks. They haven't yet released yet what the scope of the investigation was nor any pending charges that they are gathering information on.
      Governmental leaks is a big enough issue that Obama launched more investigations than any previous president and Trump is following that lead by launching even more. When information is classified its illegal to release it and I disagree that a reporter has a right to help a criminal commit crime. We're far beyond whistleblowing and into treason territory with as much classified material that a person or persons are leaking from the Senate Intelligence Committee and the capitol in general.

  2. Just so typical of Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He has his judges order his thugs in blue to beat and arrest all thinking people. Only dumb people are free now because he hates smart people. That is the way of his Republican kind.

    1. Re: Just so typical of Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the extreme so called left wing positions from internet crackpots are so outrageous it is almost as if they are false plants put there to discredit what is actually a more moderate view.

      It's the same on the right wing, except the crazy shit comes from the Whitehouse via twitter.

      That is the difference between republicans and democrats. The democrats don't generally elect their nutcases to federal office.

    2. Re: Just so typical of Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters are evidence to the contrary.

    3. Re: Just so typical of Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You tried but Hillary was stopped. Twice.

    4. Re:Just so typical of Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please explain how this is substantially different than the raid on a LAWYER (Cohen) and confiscation of MUCH more 'private' information than a lowly journalist.

    5. Re: Just so typical of Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Letâ(TM)s not forget Hank Johnson.

      In case you did, I will just leave this here:
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q

    6. Re:Just so typical of Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lawyers (for the most part with exceptions for ACLU lawyers and a few others) are scumbags. Journalists provide an important service.

    7. Re: Just so typical of Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What extreme left-wing positions have either of those people put forward?

      Nancy Pelosi should retire but she isn't near the demon that the right tries to portray her has. Maxine Waters? WTF? She just wears some crazy outfits but her positions are all that controversial. Feel free to provide some evidence for your viewpoint. While I suspect you have none if I'm wrong I'd like to know.

    8. Re: Just so typical of Trump by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the extreme so called left wing positions from internet crackpots are so outrageous it is almost as if they are false plants put there to discredit what is actually a more moderate view.

      When the reports of the Russian astroturfing campaign came out, they were pretty clear: the trolls (sometimes even the same people) played both sides, spouting far-left flamebait and far-right flamebait. They had a strategy of "further their divisions as possible, and let them show the world the failure of Democracy." The investigations have made this pretty clear, yet so many people are only hearing "hello Ivan posing as a right-wing nationalist. I see you astroturfing here." I'm not sure why, but I don't see much acknowledgement that many far-left posts are similar plants. We just assume a right-wing nationalist crackpot is a troll, but not the left crackpots.

    9. Re: Just so typical of Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please tell me you couldn't type that with a straight face?

      Journalists are worse scumbags. Lawyers can't spin and obfuscate nearly as good as Journalists and Jirnalists never actually show proof, just use the famous "anonymous source"(*) and make up anything you want.

      (*) Anonymous Source must be the most connected person on the face of the planet given how often he/She is quoted.

    10. Re: Just so typical of Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very simple the lawyer seems to have been committing serious crimes.
      The journalist was not.

  3. they got the metadata by johnjones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    so finally will the press wake up and tell the public that metadata not necessarily the content is important ?

    As a side note this would not have been such a problem if the journalist Ali Watkins had actually run their own email server like ms clinton had...
    so lesson learnt dont depend on a third party like gmail/office365 if you want privacy and certainly do not depend on something like signal not to leak your metadata

           

    1. Re:they got the metadata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Certainly, in this case the journalist's source could be compromised due to seizure of the meta-data.

      My other concern is the danger of guilt by association. Mohammed X. is believed to be a planning a terrorist attack but there isn't enough evidence for a raid, or maybe it's being delayed to find other members of the cell. He has been in regular e-mail contact with Ahmed Y. who is not a terrorist. How long will it be before Ahmed Y. finds himself on a on a no-fly list??
      .

    2. Re:they got the metadata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      so finally will the press wake up and tell the public that metadata not necessarily the content is important ?

      As a side note this would not have been such a problem if the journalist Ali Watkins had actually run their own email server like ms clinton had...
      so lesson learnt dont depend on a third party like gmail/office365 if you want privacy and certainly do not depend on something like signal not to leak your metadata

           

      Metadata is of course important, and can be easier to correlate than the actual data. Trusted a third party with your data is always risky, one way or another, though it can be managed with encryption.

      It is interesting that if you dig into the story the guy arrested was arrested for lying to the FBI. I didn't see any allegations about releasing classified information.

      Trump's people have stated multiple times that lying is fine, as long as they can't prove the original crime, so of course Trump will pardon this guy, right?

      More importantly, press freedoms are key and may not be trampled easily, less we lose their protections. Apparently Obama was bad about that too. If you can't prove a leak of classified information that was correctly and appropriately classified, then I don't think there is any legal action that should be taken to punish a leaker, other than, well dismissing him or her. By appropriately classified, I mean not classified primarily for political reasons, but for legitimate national security reasons.

      Basically to get a warrant to search a reporter you should have to have probable cause of classified information leaks, and to use the information from that warrant, you have to have found evidence of them. Anything else should be hands off, unless it falls outside of the bounds of reporting and gets into committing actual crimes.

    3. Re:they got the metadata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mike Pence and Jared Kushner use a private server. What about them? Trump uses a phone that is not secure. What about them?

      It's OK because they are Republican right? Hypocrite.

    4. Re:they got the metadata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mike Pence used a private server while governor of Indiana which is
      legal in Indiana
      , it isn't legal at the federal level and he didn't do so exclusively as Hillary did. He doesn't do so as VP.

      Regarding Kushner, from NPR, that noted right wing organization:

      "Mr. Kushner uses his White House email address to conduct White House business. Fewer than a hundred emails from January through August were either sent to or returned by Mr. Kushner to colleagues in the White House from his personal email account. These usually forwarded news articles or political commentary and most often occurred when someone initiated the exchange by sending an email to his personal, rather than his White House, address. All non-personal emails were forwarded to his official address and all have been preserved in any event."

      So some people have his personal account and he gets emails there but he forwards them to his official account so they are properly tracked and recorded. I just started a new job and folks here still have my personal email address as the first one to popup in their Outllook when they send me an email so I've received a couple of sensitive documents outside the company. Every time it happens I let the sender know so they correct it. Does that mean I'm doing company business on a personal email address?

      You really need to try harder if you're going to try to find hypocrisy, your arguments are too easily knocked. Here, let me help you:

      Donald Trump was attacked relentless for not denouncing David Duke, a man he never met, and someone he and Pence did denounce, yet the same media and Democrats haven't demanded that any of these 7 Democrats denounce their actual ties with Louis Farrakhan. They even buried the photo of Obama standing with him so it wouldn't come out while Obama was in office. Now that is a proper example of hypocrisy.

    5. Re:they got the metadata by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      so finally will the press wake up

      That's cute that you think the press functions the way it does because it's "asleep."

    6. Re:they got the metadata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Man, being a libtard is easy.. no logic, no reason, just spew whatever you feel out your uninformed mouth.

      The parent post mentioned that a warrant could be justified, but only for suspected actual classified leaks or actual crimes and then the information seized should only apply to that. The parent post even mentioned that Obama was possibly going too far in going after reporters. In short, you shouldn't be able to get a warrant or use the information obtained from a warrant on a legitimate reporter doing his legitimate work unless properly classified information was at stake. You can't classify something, just because it embarrass Trump or one of his people...

    7. Re:they got the metadata by terrycarlino · · Score: 2

      It is pretty clear that the reason Hillary Clinton set up a private email server was to circumvent the Freedom of Information Act and to prevent her emails from being officially recorded.

      On the other hand anyone who works for the Federal Government or is a Federal official better have a private email account if they are conducting any business that relates to political efforts or fund raising. it is illegal for them to carry on these activities from their official email.

      So does Kushner have a private email account? I sure hope so, because I wouldn't want him to be breaking the law by communicating with donors or members of the RNC about election matters in violation of the law.

    8. Re:they got the metadata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      so finally will the press wake up and tell the public that metadata not necessarily the content is important ?

      As a side note this would not have been such a problem if the journalist Ali Watkins had actually run their own email server like ms clinton had...
      so lesson learnt dont depend on a third party like gmail/office365 if you want privacy and certainly do not depend on something like signal not to leak your metadata

           

      Why does Hillary Clinton get off yet Ali Watkins will not? What was the difference?

    9. Re:they got the metadata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good luck explaining metadata to the public.

    10. Re: they got the metadata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? No. Did you ever read up on how the server was put in? Basically, government IT sucks.

  4. Welcome to the new world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Welcome, once again, to the new fascist state.
    George Orwell underestimated.

  5. If you're going to leak.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So, if you're going to leak material which might be in the public interest you have to be extremely careful,

    Precautions like:

    1) Buy a cheap used laptop for cash and keep if for a few months so there's little chance the seller will be able to identify you. Never connect this laptop to your home network.
    2) Leave your mobile phone at home (cell records could show you were at a particular location)
    2) Wear a hat, walk to a coffee shop in a city (your license plate might appear on CCTV if you drive). Use their free wi-fi from outside the building. (you might appear on CCTV if you enter the building)
    3) Install TOR browser on your disposable laptop
    4) Create a disposable e-mail account
    5) Walk to a different coffee shop, use the disposable e-mail account to communicate with journalist(s).
    6) After you have shared 'confidential' material take a boat trip and discreetly drop the laptop into deep water

    What other precautions would the Slashdot community recommend??

    1. Re:If you're going to leak.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What other precautions would the Slashdot community recommend??

      How about NOT LEAKING CLASSIFIED INFORMATION IN THE FIRST PLACE???

    2. Re:If you're going to leak.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So you believe that the government should do what the hell it likes and just classify anything that's illegal without any risk of disclosure.

    3. Re:If you're going to leak.... by burtosis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Classified data is secretly marked with small changes to the material depending on who accessed it. It could be a few revealing pixels, or some minor phrasing, spelling, and/or punctuation. Making a lower fidelity copy of images and adding some noise to it can remove most of the identifying information. Rephrasing and summarizing text would erase most all of the identifying information as well. Or you could access it through another persons credentials without their knowledge and throw them under the bus. Without knowing the exact methods used it's still risky in any case.

    4. Re:If you're going to leak.... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Randomize your wifi MAC address every so often too. Also, if you need a phone, buy an old dumb phone got cash and take the battery out when you don't need it.

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    5. Re:If you're going to leak.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Randomize your wifi MAC address every so often too. Also, if you need a phone, buy an old dumb phone got cash and take the battery out when you don't need it.

      If your going to delete something, then delete it. Dropping a laptop in a lake might not even delete anything. Tons of secure delete utilities exist. If you want to throw away a perfectly good computer after that, then go far it, though likely you could have been fine just reimaging it and throwing away a usb wifi adapter..

    6. Re:If you're going to leak.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found an old Dell laptop in a pond that had been there for at least a year and was able to recover over 99% of the hard drive. Since the platters are sealed, I probably could have replaced the controller board with a good one if it had been corroded.

    7. Re:If you're going to leak.... by mi · · Score: 0

      That's an argument against the very concept of "classified information".

      But, as long as we have that concept in our laws, those laws better be enforced...

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    8. Re:If you're going to leak.... by twistedcubic · · Score: 1

      C'mon, man. You have to spoof the MAC address if you connect to public Wifi. The prosecutor sees you dumping the laptop in the water, retrieves it, opens it, notices the MAC address label on the Wifi adapter is still intact (damned Thinkpads!), and you're busted. Even state-sponsored hackers get caught--you just can't arrest them. It's fantasy to think you can outplay the US government like this. Even Snowden got caught, and he tried really hard not to.

    9. Re:If you're going to leak.... by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      So, if you're going to leak material which might be in the public interest you have to be extremely careful,

      Better still, don't use email for anything sensitive, ever.

      Find a journalist who also knows how to be discreet and confidential online, e.g. Laura Poitras. You know who these journalists are because they get harassed at every border they try to cross.

      Some newspapers have set up their own SecureDrop servers, i.e. a way to give them documents anonymously.

      Also make sure the documents you're dropping haven't been invisibly watermarked or otherwise had unique identifying information embedded in them that leads to you or close to you, e.g. whichever computers in your office that you have access to. Documents can even be automatically uniquely marked by including typos/differences (that don't trigger spellcheckers) in specific places in the texts. Not even low-res photocopying gets rid of this.

      At the end of the day, even Ed Snowden knew that he only had so long until the NSA caught up with him. It's really hard to stay anonymous when you piss powerful people off nowadays.

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    10. Re:If you're going to leak.... by eionmac · · Score: 1

      use protonmail.ch as your disposable email. Pay them a little elsewhere for service as a donation.

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  6. Mentioning Tiger Blood... by thesjaakspoiler · · Score: 1

    .. would have gotten you extra points.

  7. so just like previous administrations then? by ooloorie · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:so just like previous administrations then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wanting to feel the same outrage, then I saw the tweets last year where she blames the Trump team for the leaks and explains how it justifies changes in how the witnesses are treated (in ways that damage Trump).

      This isn't just a 'neutral', or even severely biased, journalist. She actively engaged in a conspiracy to undermine the current administration.

    2. Re:so just like previous administrations then? by tinkerton · · Score: 2

      Hardly new, but it became much worse during Obama. The reason re are a lot of journalists not complaining about press freedom is that the only way to have a career is if you have nothing critical to say about the powers that be. Mainstream journalism is as good as dead.

    3. Re:so just like previous administrations then? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Pretty much. I'd hope that on Slashdot, of all places, people do not think Trump is being held to a different standard here, there was regular outrage about the Obama administration's treatment of whistleblowing and journalism built upon whistleblowing. That Trump, who has shown no signs of being more liberal than his predecessor, is continuing the policy shouldn't be a surprised, but like a lot of things, it would have been nice if the previous administration hadn't built the framework for a lot of government abuse to rest upon.

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    4. Re: so just like previous administrations then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama told us all he had the mos transparent administration ever and was entirely scandal-free, so I dunno what youre talking about.

    5. Re:so just like previous administrations then? by pots · · Score: 1

      No. This is just... no. For one thing, the parent was talking about "during Obama." For another thing, Fox News is the mainest of mainstream news and they did nothing but criticize Obama during that time (and they continue to do so) and they have done very well for themselves. Nowadays: I don't know if Trump counts as the powers that be, but there are mainstream journalists who have been critical of him and are also doing well.

      Or as well as possible, given the collapse of journalism. Is that what you were talking about? The loss of that business model? Which is completely unrelated to scrutiny by the justice department?

    6. Re:so just like previous administrations then? by Mashiki · · Score: 0

      Well when Politco, NYT, Washington Post, CBS, NBC, and ABC and several other publications all went out of their way to cheer on the Obama administration repeatedly. Even going as far as to send them stories prior to publication to make sure they weren't damaging, I'm sure that Fox News going after Obama is simply fair. What you didn't hear about that? Let me fill you in, it was called journolist.

      What gets far more interesting in this story, is that this person was engaged(read fucking her sources) with multiple high security individuals dating back to college. To put it bluntly, she was a literal presstitute and now we're going to see exactly what happened. Especially since it's come to light that Wolfe transferred to her directly classified material and she apparently retained it(by her own words on social media of all places - absolute fucking genius on that one) in order to dish it out to further her career. This might not be a similar case to Obama snooping on AP, Fox and several independent journalists phones.

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    7. Re:so just like previous administrations then? by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      Trump is not 'the powers that be'. Or not yet. For a journalist it is safe to be very critical about him. You could simply ask: "is it safe to be critical of this". I would understand the collapse of journalism as that they no longer perform their watchdog function but instead are very critical towards official enemies and very gullible towards official friends.

    8. Re:so just like previous administrations then? by terrycarlino · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Coming from a military background I have no trouble realizing that there is a lot of information that should not be made public for perfectly reasonable and legal reasons. Not every piece of classified data is classified for bad reasons. As a matter of fact most of them are classified for very valid reasons.

      The Senate Intelligence Committee is tasked with oversight of the TLA. If they can't keep information that is necessary and important to U.S. security secret then the TLA just won't keep them in the loop. That is not a better situation for the country, the citizenry or freedom.

      Reporters do not have some kind of magic get out of jail card when they solicit or receive classified information they are not cleared to know. Public officials, employees and contractors have no legal right to release classified material because they disagree with policy or don't like specific elected officials.

      The liberal fantasy that people who break the law should be immune from legal consequences because of their politics or which side their on is irrational. Henry David Thoreau understood that, which is why he went to jail instead of paying a tax in support of a war with which he did not agree. He did not expect to escape consequences for his actions. He expected to take the consequences because the stand he was taking was, to him, right and important.

      if you believe something is important enough to break the law to take a stand you should be willing to accept the consequences of taking that stand.

    9. Re:so just like previous administrations then? by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      For another thing, Fox News is the mainest of mainstream news and they did nothing but criticize Obama during that time (and they continue to do so) and they have done very well for themselves.

      Prior to the Internet, information was a very valuable commodity. US administrations used valuable information to bribe media in exchange for favorable coverage; that's what companies like CNN and NBC became wealthy and powerful. Starting about 20 years ago, information became less valuable and other business models became competitive; FOX was one of the first to discover that.

      Is that what you were talking about?

      His explanation is still valid: the relics at the NYT and AP don't know any better than to sell themselves out for information; that's why they continue to operate under the old model. That's also why they liked Obama: Obama still tried to maintain the old model in which a progressive intelligentsia composed of career politicians, intellectuals, and journalists set the agenda and profit handsomely from it. I think Obama will be the last gasp of that model; he only got elected because McCain was an even worse establishment candidate.

      I don't know if Trump counts as the powers that be, but there are mainstream journalists who have been critical of him and are also doing well.

      Trump was always antagonistic to the media, and he never bribed news media with valuable information. That's why the traditional media hated him so much: their cozy, corrupt relationship with past administrations was over.

    10. Re: so just like previous administrations then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Derp state!!

    11. Re:so just like previous administrations then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whataboutism, the lefts word to excuse hypocrisy and double standards.

    12. Re:so just like previous administrations then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. You can't have a democracy and also secrecy(except for possibly troop movements and military technology). Everyone knows that perhaps 2% of classified data is legitimately classified, the rest is either cover up of liability or a crime, someone maintaining their fiefdom or some other bs reason.

    13. Re:so just like previous administrations then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wolfe transferred no classified material and is not even accused of doing so. Obama going after leakers was bad and so is what Trump is doing. It is not constructive. Imagine if senators had worked with Snowden instead of helping him get persecuted. We might have a more effective NSA today that doesn't collect so much information that they can't find meaningful needle in the mountainous haystack.

    14. Re:so just like previous administrations then? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Wolfe transferred no classified material and is not even accused of doing so.

      That's exactly what he's accused of. You can read the indictment yourself at any time.

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  8. Re:We get it.. ur a moran. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not the person you responded too, though I think his point was well written, whereas yours seems to be a low effort/low-iq rambling. TDS?

  9. Do the Hannity/Cohen trick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretend it's client - lawyer protected information by including a lawyer in the discussions and try to block it from the FBI.

    Money from oligarchs used to pay RNC and Trump bills? client-laywer privilege. Have Hannity back up your story on the Prague Russian meeting without mentioning your working together? Client-lawyer privilege.

    Lawyer up.

    1. Re:Do the Hannity/Cohen trick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both the oligarchs paying bills and Hannity working with Cohen are fake news.

      Cohen had a $30,000 per month retainer from which he was supposed to pay any hush-money and to not involve Trump in any way, while the extent of Hannity's involvement with Cohen was that he once asked for advice on a property deal (and as an acquaintance).

    2. Re: Do the Hannity/Cohen trick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I meant to say Trump was paying Hannity to personally perform abortions for the thirty grand. Source: Same source as "nothing to see here" claim in prior post.

      But her emails...

  10. Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by butzwonker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Slashdot is way too liberal with shitposters. Why can't we just cancel obvious troll accounts - terminate them and permban the IP? Clutch Nixon 5434978 is an obvious troll and spamming whole threads with off-topic "poems", these shitposts are of no use to anyone. If you want political topics (I don't), then at least kick out the obvious trolls and shitposters.

    Or even better, permanently IP ban or shadow ban all off-topic commentators. You can start with my own account because of this comment, I don't care, as long as you do it with every off-topic troll poster out there so Slashdot becomes readable again.

    1. Re:Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple. Edit comments then they become responsible for ALL comments. Of course, yes, slash dot does indeed pre-edit comments already but this is within the statute. This is why the internet is a cesspool. No one wants to be responsible. It's the Dems who are driving this. Death to ALL Dems. Then the world would be a better place, but for now, for you, and for me, the world is a ghetto. Don't like it then get your motor running and head out to the high-way and look for adventure or whatever comes your way there.

    2. Re:Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by narcc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You'll get over it. This isn't the first time we've seen Slashdot rendered unreadable by nonsense like this. It'll stop when Nixon gets bored, or his karma drops to the point that he can only post at -1, and we can get back to the ordinary sort of shitposting that passes for discussion these days.

      Further, expecting the editorial staff to do anything seems absurd to me. We can't even get them to pay enough attention to the headlines to avoid front page dups, what makes you think they're interested enough notice and ban a specific user?

    3. Re:Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because without the trolls there are only 6 posters left here now

    4. Re:Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netcraft now confirms: BSD is dying

    5. Re:Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by Bearhouse · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Liberalism is the price/cost of free speech. You have to put up with a few idiots or you risk silencing everyone.
      I get your point, but why reduce the current (welcome) level of transparency when we don't really have to?
      People like me have no problem burning a few mod points to whack those sick/stupid posts down to -1, and at least we know that (hopefully) some valid posts are not getting "shadow banned" due to someone's personal agenda.
      I've personally modded back up some -1 posts that were certainly controversial, but yet interesting and not "wrong".

      TLDR; /. mod system is far from perfect, but it works better than most others...

    6. Re:Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Yeah that Anonymous Coward is a bastard.

      Or maybe you just can let the moderation system take care of it. I've not seen a poem, and you can too!

    7. Re:Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why can't we just cancel obvious troll accounts - terminate them and permban the IP?

      Ah, the standard conservative response ... silence the people who disagree with you.

      If someone suggested the same thing for you clowns, you'd be screeching from the rooftops.

      Why don't you go fuck yourself, nazi?

    8. Re:Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod them down and move on with your life.
      Why are you so upset with shitposting?

    9. Re: Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trigglypuff is a conservative?

    10. Re:Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Plus also if the editorial staff started removing posts, people would also flip their shit and tell us how slashdot is going to the dogs etc.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    11. Re:Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can we also get rid of the pro-Trump cretins while we're at it? They infest literally EVERY article with their shit.

    12. Re:Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why can't we just cancel obvious troll accounts - terminate them and permban the IP?

      Ah, the standard conservative response ... silence the people who disagree with you.

      If someone suggested the same thing for you clowns, you'd be screeching from the rooftops.

      Why don't you go fuck yourself, nazi?

      Ahhh, the progtard Alinsky "Rules for Radicals" - accuse your enemy of what you do.

      Progtards even have a name for shutting people up: no-platforming. It's even got a fucking Wikipedia page.

      Because when you don't have the brains or the evidence to make a convincing LOGICAL argument, you go all cry-bully and try to shut the other people up.

    13. Re:Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      Read at +2 or higher unless you're moderating. It gets rid of virtually all of the useless shitposts. Some trolls still get modded up, but they're generally posting original stuff that's on topic rather than copypasta.

    14. Re:Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why can't we just cancel obvious troll accounts - terminate them and permban the IP?

      Ah, the standard conservative response ... silence the people who disagree with you.

      If someone suggested the same thing for you clowns, you'd be screeching from the rooftops.

      Why don't you go fuck yourself, nazi?

      I don't want to silence on-topic opinions. I don't care if they agree or disagree.

      But the non-stop poetry, KKK stuff, N*GGER stuff, etc, is just stupid noise. It doesn't contribute to the discussion.

    15. Re:Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by khandom08 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why can't we just cancel obvious troll accounts - terminate them and permban the IP?

      Because one of them might be the president?

    16. Re:Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by khandom08 · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the internet.

    17. Re:Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      The admins don't know how. Many years ago my account was actually banned for a few days. Has that ever happened to anyone else?

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    18. Re:Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      case in point

    19. Re:Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty far right and all I can say is hell no. Who is the gatekeeper? It falls into the same traps as "hate speech". Screw that bullshit, the mod system here works batter than anywhere else I've visited.

    20. Re:Offtopic: Slashdot is too liberal by JThundley · · Score: 1

      You can mark these accounts as enemies so that their score goes negative and you never see them. Stop being such a snowflake and trying to impose your will on everyone.

  11. Re: We get it.. ur a moran. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It's spelled moron you idjut.

    I wonder who leaked the Spygate Revelations about Stefan Halper? How can we prevent another Operation Crossfire Hurricane so Democrats can't rig elections? These are the questions that need much debate.

  12. DOJ actually found who is leaking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That reported was dating the white house stuffer for the Senate Intelligence Committee, who is 30 years older then her. And he was leaking classified information.

    story on nbcnews

    1. Re:DOJ actually found who is leaking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That reporter was dating the white house stuffer for the Senate Intelligence Committee, who is 30 years older then her. And he was leaking

      eww Sucks getting old.

  13. Relationship Status: Compromised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ahhh... facebook.

    Throwing the Book,
    at their faces.

    The are many dangers
    in social media,
    and acts of treason.

  14. COMRADE ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Traitors used to have the honor of public executions.

    But not so much Drama now a days.

    Just spending the rest of their life in federal prison.

    Every government & military person is required to do annual training that clearly spells out what classified info they can share : NOTHING.
    and the punishments for treason: prison or death.

    If for some moral objection reason an individual can no longer serve the country in good faith, they should do the right thing and find a new job.

    If defending the nation is not what they want to do - a less stressful job is a better choice.

  15. I'm a fucking genius ... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    See subject. I am a fucking genius because I can run ping on linux not as root
    Crazy right, but here I am able to do the impossiable
    All you fags can't which is why you should run my incredible APK hosts file engine version 77.839#^#W*+++ now for linux
    If you don't or disagree with me you are a fucking ne'er-do-well and I will fucking fuck your fucking face up

  16. Cryptography + Tor, etc. by DrYak · · Score: 2, Informative

    As a side note this would not have been such a problem if the journalist Ali Watkins had actually run their own email server like ms clinton had...

    Well, fundamentally : NO it won't have been *that* much different.

    In theory :
      - The justice could have just as well gotten a warrant to search her private sever.
      - She could have argued that as a reporter, she should protect her source
      - She would have been sued in turn for obstruction of justice.

    In practice :
      - Securing a mail server is hard.
      - The court could "accidentally find" the needed information in one of the inevitable hack that the server is going to sustain.
    (Whether the government would have anything to do with that specific hack is left to the reader's imagination)

    so lesson learnt dont depend on a third party like gmail/office365 if you want privacy and certainly do not depend on something like signal not to leak your metadata

    The best way would be to combine 2 things :

      - use end-to-end encryption (for the specific case of e-mail: that would be using GPG or S/MIME, either as a mail client plugin, or as a browser plugin if you're using webmail. For chats that would be using something like OTR or Openwhisper protocols). That would prevent the content being visible during transit at the servers.

      - use something that can hide the connection between the users.
    For e-mail the point is moot, because even if you encrypt the mail body as stated before, due to the way the mailing protocol works the headers are going to be kept accessible for message routing, and any server relaying the messages along the way will know that the 2 persons have communicated(*).
    Instead you should go for something that can successfully leverage onion routing (like TOR or I2P) :
    - Chat system working over Tor (i think Tox can work over it ?)
    - Plain simple drop boxes that are accessible through .onion addresses. (Several newspapers have setup such)
    etc.

    ---

    (*)
    you could rig something by using a single private server, that can be accessed over tor as a .onion addresses and have both the journalist and the source use local accounts on that server (thus never routing them outside the server).
    basically, you're setting up a glorified drop box that uses SSMTP and IMAPS instead of HTTPS/FTPS/SFTP

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    1. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by Cytotoxic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Interestingly, the FBI is currently alleging that the use of communications platforms with encryption such as WhatsApp amounts to obstruction of justice and evidence of criminal intent when used to communicate with people who might eventually become witnesses - even if they are witnesses for the defense.

      So all of you folks who poo-poo the slippery slope argument... well, there you go. They are also all over companies like Apple for building encryption into their phones and have used the fact that devices are encrypted as evidence of criminal intent.

      England is currently living out the argumentum ad absurdum from the gun control debate - having outlawed guns and the sorts of knives used for hunting or defense and finding that people are still violent, they are now talking about banning kitchen knives with pointed ends.

      Give the government and inch, and they'll use that inch against you.

    2. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      "they are now talking about banning kitchen knives with pointed ends."

      I assume you are one of those American gun nuts who says things like "pillows can suffocate people, so if you ban guns, you should also ban pillows".

      If you RTFA, you find it's just one judge who said that in his retirement speech. It has no chance in hell of anyone taking it seriously, yet you use it to snidely imply that any gun control inevitably leads to absurdities like that. All because of one remark by one judge-- not on the bench, in his private capacity.

      Of course, this BS is already an NRA talking point:
      https://www.nraila.org/article...

    3. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...and finding that people are still violent"

      WHAT? do you read any news besides American conservative propaganda?

      there were 60 gun deaths in a population of 56 MILLION PEOPLE. our gun laws have nearly eliminated gun deaths. you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

    4. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, the FBI is currently alleging that the use of communications platforms with encryption such as WhatsApp amounts to obstruction of justice and evidence of criminal intent when used to communicate with people who might eventually become witnesses - even if they are witnesses for the defense.

      The FBI is also currently alleging that the use of communications platforms generally amounts to obstruction of justice when used to communicate with people who might eventually become witnesses - even if they are witnesses for the defense - when attempting to coach instruct witnesses as to what they should testify and such testimony is false.

      You've lumped "and evidence of criminal intent" in with some elements of the crime, and then omitted a bunch of other elements of the crime, presumably in order to create fear that the use of WhatsApp and other platforms with encryption is per se obstruction of justice and evidence of criminal intent. But that's not what is happening. Because criminal intent is a state of mind, there can be no objective evidence of criminal intent short of an admission. If you do something that is unusual for you to conceal such tampering - guess what -- that's circumstantial evidence of criminal intent.

      Also, please cite the allegation that "WhatsApp amounts to obstruction of justice and evidence of criminal intent." Because they have much more than that on Manfort since he's an idiot:

      Manafort allegedly tried to hide his communications with potential witnesses using the encrypted messaging apps WhatsApp and Telegram, but prosecutors appear to have accessed the messages via his iCloud account.

      The prosecutors also had statements and documents from the two potential witnesses, as well as phone records, but the iCloud account helped them confirm the messages and phone calls that Manafort had attempted.

      So no, the FBI is currently alleging that witness statements, phone records, and WhatsApp message content amount to obstruction of justice and evidence of criminal intent."

      So all of you folks who poo-poo the slippery slope argument... well, there you go. They are also all over companies like Apple for building encryption into their phones and have used the fact that devices are encrypted as evidence of criminal intent.

      Poo-poo. Times ten. Yes, they're all over unbreakable encryption, but use of unbreakable encryption is not concrete evidence of a crime.

      England is currently living out the argumentum ad absurdum from the gun control debate - having outlawed guns and the sorts of knives used for hunting or defense and finding that people are still violent, they are now talking about banning kitchen knives with pointed ends.

      On public streets. You're losing your mind over a ban on knives with blades longer than ~2.5 inches being carried in public. The same sort of ban that exists with folding knives. The same sort of ban that exists in air travel -- except it covers even shorter blades. But God gave you a right to carry steak knives down the street, just in case you happen upon a steak...

    5. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by Raenex · · Score: 1

      I assume you are one of those American gun nuts who says things like "pillows can suffocate people, so if you ban guns, you should also ban pillows".

      I assume you're one of those useful idiots that have lost the plot. Guns were supposed to be the problem with US cities. Then London overtook New York City in homicides per capita.

      It's almost as if the problem wasn't the guns, but the people -- like when East London became dominated by migrant ghettos. But here you are rattling on about "gun nuts".

      If you RTFA, you find it's just one judge who said that in his retirement speech.

      Judges are supposed to be learned and wise men. That he's even saying this is a sign of the times.

    6. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      You're citing the Daily Mail as a credible news source? The Daily Mail is Britain's white supremacist, purse-lipped mother-in-law.

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    7. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by Raenex · · Score: 1

      The BBC is Britain's purple-haired, migrant-loving feminist studies major. But you wouldn't have a problem if I linked to them, right? Of course the BBC would never write such an article, no matter how true it was. But you don't need to believe the Daily Mail. Just open your eyes and look at the statistics.

    8. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      Okay, understand you well enough now. Since you like sciencey stuff like statistics, Karl Popper, the father of the modern scientific method, had this logical argument he called the Paradox of Tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... , which basically says that we should be intolerant of intolerance. So from a purely scientific perspective, please, please, pretty please, go fuck yourself.

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    9. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Since you like sciencey stuff like statistics, Karl Popper, the father of the modern scientific method, had this logical argument he called the Paradox of Tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... , which basically says that we should be intolerant of intolerance.

      Congratulations, you're getting the idea! Islam is the most intolerant, supremacist, and violent mainstream religion on the planet. It's been utter foolishness, and downright evil, to open the flood gates and allow this ideology into Western societies.

      But I suppose the terrorist attacks, the rise of anti-Semitism, the massive sexual assaults, the hate preachers, anti-homosexual sentiment, the crime, the first-cousin marriages, the female genital mutilation, the forced veils, the welfare spending -- no, these you must "tolerate" in the name "diversity". Allah forbid somebody calls you an "Islamophobe", or a "xenophobe". Aloha snackbar, friend!

    10. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      You're an ignorant idiot. You're just as intolerant as the people depicted in whichever white supremacist garbage that you read. Why shouldn't people treat you in the same way that you propose to treat them?

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    11. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by Raenex · · Score: 1

      You're an ignorant idiot.

      There's this feeling I get when I get the notification to a reply in a contentious debate. Will they destroy my argument? Will I have to rethink my position? As I got that feeling, I quickly decided it was unlikely you'd have anything substantive to say. I was right.

      You're just as intolerant as the people depicted in whichever white supremacist garbage that you read. Why shouldn't people treat you in the same way that you propose to treat them?

      Pardon me, but you're the one that said, "we should be intolerant of intolerance". My stance is simple: limit immigration from intolerant societies. You haven't explained why I'm wrong.

    12. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      My stance is simple: limit immigration from intolerant societies. You haven't explained why I'm wrong.

      So most OECD countries should limit immigration from the USA. That sounds reasonable enough. Why? Here's a long list of reasons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... Note that the large majority of terrorists in the USA are Christian, which is logical since the majority of Americans are Christian. I guess that makes you a domestic extremist. There are lists for people like you too.

      The Islamic extremism we see reported in the media has its roots in Saudi Arabia and is a sect of Islam called Wahhabism, which practices Salafism. To equate that with all of Islam is more or less the same as equating all of Christianity with right-wing extremist Christian militias.

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    13. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Note that the large majority of terrorists in the USA are Christian

      You state that without any evidence. Where in your Wikipedia link does it say that? You just assume it. For example, from your link:

      "According to the FBI in June 2008, eco-terrorists and extreme animal rights activists represent "one of the most serious domestic terrorism threats in the U.S. today." "

      Are they Christian? Do they cite Christian teachings when they commit their acts? What Christian doctrine are they following?

      And since we're talking about numbers, why don't you compare the per capita body count of explicitly Christian terrorist acts in the US versus Muslim in the US? Perhaps you'd like to start counting from after 9/11? Give it a go.

      And don't stop in the US. Why are there Muslim insurgent groups all around the world? You don't see anything comparable in Christianity. You can find a few, but nowhere near the scope of Islam. It's the Christians who are bearing the brunt of persecution in Muslim lands.

      The Islamic extremism we see reported in the media has its roots in Saudi Arabia and is a sect of Islam called Wahhabism, which practices Salafism.

      That's not the only source of Islamic "extremism". Look at, for example, the formation of the Muslim Brotherhood. What you lack is an informed and honest look at the doctrines and history of Islam.

      Christianity: Jesus was a hippie that preached love, pacifism, and virtue.

      Islam: Mohamed was a conquering warlord that preached supremacy through violence.

      Christian history: Meek cult, gets adopted by the Roman empire. Scripture does not support wars to spread Christianity -- exactly the opposite. Crusades were a delayed response to centuries of Muslim conquests of Christian land.

      Muslim history: Warrior cult conquers all of Arabia. Continues to spread by the sword out from there, all the way into Europe before getting pushed back. Eventually the Ottoman empire falls as Europe regains military supremacy.

      The Muslims "extremists" today who fight for Islamic supremacy do so via an explicit central message within Islam, based on scripture, tradition, and history.

    14. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      Christianity: Jesus was a hippie that preached love, pacifism, and virtue.

      Do you really believe this? It seems that most of your comments are guided more by biased beliefs than facts, and whatever facts you do use are cherry-picked to suit your own, twisted narrative.

      The kind of ill-informed, misguided, extremist views you're espousing do real harm to a lot of people. Please stop it.

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    15. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Do you really believe this? It seems that most of your comments are guided more by biased beliefs than facts, and whatever facts you do use are cherry-picked to suit your own, twisted narrative.

      I'd ask you to look in the mirror. Have you read the Gospels? Have you read the Sermon on the Mount? Are you so willfully ignorant of the most astonishing point from the New Testament, that Christ allowed himself to be sacrificed?

      The kind of ill-informed, misguided, extremist views you're espousing do real harm to a lot of people. Please stop it.

      Take your own advice. You demonstrate a complete lack of fundamental knowledge regarding the main tenants of the Abrahamic religions, as well as a willful blindness as to how these religions are being played out in the real world.

      Notice how you did not respond to any of my points picking apart your attempt at equating Christianity with Islam. Run the numbers. Go through the body counts. Look at how it's the Christians being persecuted in Muslim lands. Why are the Muslims seeking refuge in Christian lands? How many Christians would seek refuge in Muslim lands?

      Are you interested in truth, or just politically correct, "all mainstream religions are equal", feel-good bullshit? Based on the scriptures, Mohamed was a conquering warlord. This is a basic fact. Based on the scriptures, Jesus spread his message through peace and did not resist when the powers came after him. This is a basic fact. To not acknowledge this is ignorance beyond all measure.

      Are you willing to challenge your assumptions? Can you click a link and read, or are you just going to sit in your politically correct bubble? Islam has bloody borders:

      " Nevertheless, there is a problem that goes back to the very beginnings of Muslim history: From the time that the first Muslims established themselves as the rulers of Medina, Islam was a political and increasingly a legal system as well as a faith. In Medina Muhammad continued to be a prophet, but he also became the head of a state and a military leader. With the exception of Southeast Asia (where Islam was spread by traders from the the subcontinent), what we now know as the Muslim world was established by conquest. It is no accident that in traditional Muslim thought the world is divided into two spheres--the realm of Islam (dar ul-Islam) and the realm of war (dar ul-harb). Put simply, it is assumed that the border between Islamic rule and the rest of the world marks a state of war, even if periods of armistice are possible. One should be cognizant of the important fact that there are Muslim thinkers today who are reformulating the nature of Islamic law (sharia) and of Islamic war (jihad) in a much more liberal manner. But one must also recognize that there is a weighty tradition to the contrary and that a large number of Muslims, possibly the majority, does not favor these reformulations."

    16. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      OK, slightly longer version, since you don't seem to make a distinction between history and religious texts:

      The Bible is not historical fact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... and neither is the Qu'ran. Additionally, how people interpret these books depends, to a great extent, on the contexts in which they're interpreted. That's the way reading works; people fill in the inevitable ambiguities and missing information from their own contexts. That's a fundamental feature of semiotics.

      For example, you're interpreting the Bible in a (presumably) educated, stable, safe, democratic context which is somewhat skewed by some pretty zenophobic views from [insert information sources here]. If you look to Biblical interpretation in sub-Saharan Africa, e.g. Democratic Republic of the Congo, where there's less education, more poverty, instability, violence, and less democracy, you'll get a very different impression of what the Bible means. Another example is that in Uganda, the Bible is used to argue for the death sentence for homosexuality.

      If you want to know why so many people in the middle east detest American foreign policy and why some take up armed struggle against the USA, why not listen to what a former CIA analyst, turned whistleblower has to say: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Spoiler alert: It has nothing to do with religion, except that it's used to create an "us vs. them" dichotomy, not unlike the one you're espousing.

      If you look into the conflicts, the contexts, the motivations, the reasoning, etc., more complex, nuanced, and subtle stories start to emerge. They don't fit neatly into 24 hour news cycle sound bites or your local ranting extremist pastor. Of the 2.4 billion Christians and 1.8 billion Muslims around the world, living in their different contexts, do you think that there may be some variations in their interpretations? Some more radical and extreme than others? It's all interpretation according to contexts and there's nothing intrinsically more violent or non-violent about either the Bible or the Qu'ran.

      Don't you also think it's interesting that both the Youtube news stories I linked to, made by award-winning American journalists, were paid for by the Kremlin? What does that say about domestic US news media? That all you ever hear about Muslims is that presumably all 1.8 billion of them are hell-bent on destroying the world? How does that affect your interpretation of Biblical and Qu'ranic texts?

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    17. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      From now on, I'll match extremist gibberish, with automatically generated gibberish:

      Deliverer has not, and likely never will be litigious in the extent to which we append and recount affirmations. Human society will always embolden Jesus of Nazareth; some of the realm of theory of knowledge and others with the search for literature. Veracity of jesus lies in the realm of theory of knowledge as well as the field of semiotics. Muslimism is the most certainly but risibly considerate utterance of humanity.

      The adjuration, usually for insinuations, intensifies terrorist act. By corroborating casuistries, most of the domains cavort as well for Jesus Christ. Also, gravity at affluence reacts to process orbitals. In my philosophy class, many of the orations to our personal dictum on the atelier we enjoin elide an amygdala by an amplification. Presumption may, however, be efficacious yet somehow speculating. Our personal appendage with the aborigine we expedite might dubiously be the adherent that affirms accusations. a lack of Jesus of Nazareth articulates calumny for my countenance also. The elated hagiolatry is purloined, belligerent, and culpable, not an explanation. In my experience, many of the accessions of our personal exposition at the denouncement we amplify agree. By bemoaning ruminations by assumptions which collaborate, an arrogantly deleterious islam can be more tenderly stipulated.

      As I have learned in my reality class, Islam is the most fundamental analysis of mankind. The same neuron may produce two different neutrinoes to invert. The brain of palaver implodes to emit information with quips. Radiation is not the only thing the plasma to propagandists reacts; it also emits brains of an affirmation for Jesus Christ. Because transitory scrutinizations are countenanced on Islam, orators at consistency proceed equally with Savior. The more culmination will jovially be assemblage, the less those in question reiterate sophists.

      A abundance of act of terrorism, typically by a comment, explains precincts and hovers. Redeemer which may be the intercession changes a rightfully haphazard Christ. Additionally, Saviour has not, and undoubtedly never will be impartial. In my experience, almost all of the devices to my admonishment demolish the quarrel for authorizations or speculate but inquire. In any case, knowing that excommunication provides the dictator that collapses, many of the exiles on our personal development of the account we regret consent and exhibit some of the advocates. My altruist should be the dictum but inclines. a lack of the Nazarene ponders convulsions with our personal assassin of the contradiction we presume to the same extent. a accumulated fulmination is falteringly or obstreperously truculent, not acquiescence. In my theory of knowledge class, most of the authentications at our personal lamentation to the speculation we induce concede the development. Because of adhering, admixture for the Nazarene can be more cruelly assaulted.

      Jesus of Nazareth for the salver that should sedulously be veracity has not, and doubtless never will be pusillanimous but not surreptitious. a concurrence can, nonetheless, be riveting in the extent to which we laud celebrations and cavort. If conveyances which solicit covertly scrofulous accusations and depreciate the response by the exposure but mesmerize utterances to aborigines journey, the adherents involved reminisce too with Muslimism. Act of terrorism will always be a component of humankind. Why is terrorism so discrepant to mortification? The reply to this question is that Savior is contentiously.

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    18. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by Raenex · · Score: 1

      OK, slightly longer version, since you don't seem to make a distinction between history and religious texts:

      I've made quite clear distinctions between history versus scripture. For instance, I would use phrases like, "based on the scriptures".

      The Bible is not historical fact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... and neither is the Qu'ran

      No shit. By the way, quite hilarious that you chose to link to Reza "I am a scholar" Aslan, the Muslim apologist. I prefer Carrier's, "Did Jesus Even Exist?"

      Additionally, how people interpret these books depends, to a great extent, on the contexts in which they're interpreted.

      No shit. But there's also plain reading. And we can look at history and influential texts to see how these works were being interpreted. You're doing a lot of tap dancing and not addressing anything I've actually written.

      For example, you're interpreting the Bible in a (presumably) educated, stable, safe, democratic context

      Except that's bullshit. I interpreted the Bible through plain reading. I also relied on history, including the earliest history when they were a peaceful cult that eventually was adopted by the Roman empire, as opposed to Islam, which conquered all of Arabia and then spread out from there.

      Did you address the basic stories from the Gospels, or the Sermon on the Mount? No, you'd rather cherry pick from some shitty countries in Africa. Did you address my "Islam has bloody borders" link? No, you'd rather deflect to CIA torture, which has jack shit to do with the history of Islam from before that point, and has jack shit to do with Islamic insurgencies wherever there are a significant number of Muslims.

      If you look into the conflicts, the contexts, the motivations, the reasoning, etc., more complex, nuanced, and subtle stories start to emerge.

      Funny how there's one unifying theme: ISLAM. Funny how you never address the history of Islam, from it's earliest beginnings. Funny how you never address the scriptures. Funny how you never answer my questions, like why Christians are the ones being persecuted in Muslim lands, while Muslims seek out Christian lands.

      It's all interpretation according to contexts and there's nothing intrinsically more violent or non-violent about either the Bible or the Qu'ran.

      You're full of shit. All you do is equivocate, hem and haw, and crank up the smog machine, while ignoring large truths staring at you in the face. In other words, you are a useful idiot:

      "The process of settlement is a 'Civilization-Jihadist Process' with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers..."

      Don't you also think it's interesting that both the Youtube news stories I linked to, made by award-winning American journalists, were paid for by the Kremlin? What does that say about domestic US news media?

      Actually, it says more about the Kremlin media and the kind of sources you seek out, in typical anti-Western, libshit fashion.

      That all you ever hear about Muslims is that presumably all 1.8 billion of them are hell-bent on destroying the world?

      Yawn, "not all Muslims". You're checking all the boxes, congrats. I never said all 1.8 billion act that way. Like any religion, a great majority have their own McReligion view, and only a tiny percentage are going to act in the most extreme manner.

    19. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      Religion has not, and doubtless never will be rancorous yet somehow perjured. Mankind will always allure religion; many by the agriculturalist but a few on forefather to agronomists. a penal Jesus Christ lies in the search for literature as well as the area of reality. Faith is the most drowsily remarkable allusion of human life.

      As I have learned in my theory of knowledge class, Jesus Christ is the most fundamental allegation of humanity. The same pendulum may transmit two different neurons to spin. Although radiation oscillates, the gamma ray with the development implodes. a pendulum is not the only thing gravity at expressiveness reacts; it also processes a brain for the authentication by Savior. The yielding the Nazarene changes unscrupulousness that taunts the dictator of faith. As a result of fulminating, an abundance of Good Shepherd can be more irascibly pilfered.

      Observation, normally on the field of literature, probes extremism. Since comments are assaulted with religion, injudicious injunctions cavort as well to Jesus of Nazareth. Furthermore, a lividly pertinacious multitude, typically to affirmations, provisions extremism which hobbles. Our personal concession with the authorization we enlighten should be the trope. However, armed with the knowledge that depravity that is reclusive, countless, and inappropriate may altruistically be a circumstance, most of the disenfranchisements by my circumscription appreciate the disciplinary assurance. Our personal administration at the probe we encompass will be recrudescence that pledges scenarios of community. Subsequently, existence assumes a consequence on appreciation for the amplification but intercedes on my scrutinization. a diligent substantiation might be the demolisher, not a utterance. In my experience, some of the allocations by our personal amanuensis with the explanation we exile embroider those in question. The more the congregation of reprimands is manifold in the way we scintillate and will promptly be mien, the less incursion admires advances.

      According to professor of semiotics Mark Twain, Saviour is the most fundamental taunt of society. While the same orbital may counteract two different plasmas, information to adherence produces neutrinoes of accusations. The same neuron may transmit two different pendulums to catalyze gamma rays for the demonstration. a brain is not the only thing gravity oscillates; it also processes orbitals at extremism. If none of the casuistries protrude and corroborate a rumination, a dearth of extremism can be more enthrallingly proclaimed. The confrontationally or multifariously quotidian religious belief changes Jesus Christ which substantiates the exile that conjectures.

      Jesus Christ will always be a part of humanity. The solemn anesthetic should, still yet, be substantiated but not convulsive. Due to advocating, plethora on Savior can be more cruelly reiterated. Jesus by exposures has not, and doubtless never will be enormous, moribund, and amicable. Instead of inclining, Jesus constitutes both an equitable quip and a risible appetite.

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    20. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by Raenex · · Score: 1

      useful idiot:

      "The process of settlement is a 'Civilization-Jihadist Process' with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers..."

    21. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      Jihadi has not, and likely never will be solemnly contentious. Civilisation is the most fundamental proclamation of human life; some with an agronomist and others at patter. Civilization which attains the concession lies in the area of philosophy along with the search for literature. Civilization is sophistic as a result of its the people in question. A affirmation, typically by the interloper, might be judicious in how much we quibble of protest. a dearth of protest changes protest which acquiesces. Additionally, jihadi is the most fundamental altruist of mankind; many on dictates but a few with responses. In my experience, many of the prisons to our personal authorization for the commencement we postulate beseech happenstance. Assurance will, however, be startlingly surrounding. In my philosophy class, some of the accusations at my sophist matriculate. Subsequently, quibble will generously be a salver at the assumption with our personal atelier by the exposition we substantiate. Stealth might be the orator and homogenizes, not fulmination that reproves a taunt. Our personal amplification on the sanction we enthrall ascertains precincts. Seeing as civilizations of retorts are regretted at jihadi, the conveyance for jihadi can be more unyieldingly provoked. A increasingly ascendant edification, often to the disenfranchisement, can choreograph protest. From infusing, rightfully or altruistically precipitous allocutions lecture too of civilisation. Furthermore, civilisation will always be a component of humanity. My adherent is quotidian in the way we forsake ligations and deliberate. In any case, knowing that melange will approximately be an escapade, all of the utterances for my consequence attest or observe pulchritude but relent and adjure intercessions which advance. Our personal drone with the contradiction we disparage should posthumously be ingenuity that contravenes an advance or may be an exposure. an abundance of civilisation is obvious yet somehow ashen on our personal organism by the proclamation we commission to the same extent. The amanuensis proceeds, not depletion that surprises none of the embroideries. In my experience, most of the confluences at my avocation demarcate the allusion with the field of theory of knowledge and adhere. a mimicking civilisation changes the despicable grout on protestation. As I have learned in my reality class, humankind will always feign protestation. Even though the pendulum counteracts neutrinoes at periodicity, the pendulum by the performance oscillates. The same neuron may receive two different gamma rays to invert. Radiation is not the only thing an orbital to appetites reacts; it also spins of civilization. If those involved incense opportunity, the epigraph that attenuates depravity that will appropriately be an accusation for parsimony on protest can be more countlessly affirmed. The sooner the concession might amicably be oratory but can be the elatedly moribund epitome, the more hagiolatry entreats utterances. Jihadi at inspections will always be a component of human life. an appendage will, still yet, be conjectured but not innumerable. Protest which is inconsistently gracious or diverges changes a plethora of protest. Civilization of ateliers by a countenance has not, and likely never will be fetid, endemic, and impudent. Consequently, jihadi should engender averred reprovers.

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    22. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by Raenex · · Score: 1

      useful idiot:

      "The process of settlement is a 'Civilization-Jihadist Process' with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers..."

    23. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      Process has not, and probably never will be tendentious, riveting, and precarious. Mankind will always adjure destroy; many on fascination but a few on an advocate. The audacious destroy lies in the study of literature as well as the realm of semiotics. Why is procedure so obstreperous to preaching? The reply to this inquiry is that civilisation is perilously cerebral. As I have learned in my philosophy class, mankind will always denounce procedure. The same pendulum may counteract two different gamma rays to implode. Though simulation counteracts orbitals, the same neuron may process two different pendulums of mirror. Interference is not the only thing a neutrino spins; it also reproduces with civilisation. The admonishment at destroy changes an itinerant civilisation. From reproving the injunction for congregations, a lack of destroy can be more fearlessly commanded. Articulation to the study of philosophy, normally by undernourishment, can reprimand civilization which is rancorous yet somehow fascinating. The more advancements embolden the demonstration that pilfers recrudescence with appetites and enlightens allusions, the sooner taunts of an inspection compel the quarrel. Furthermore, simulation oscillates to produce brains at consequences. In my experience, none of the thermostats on our personal exposure with the circumscription we declare provoke injunctions. Still yet, knowing that howl will be the ashen provision, many of the assassinations of our personal demarcation at the appendage we belie subjugate posthumously and stridently risible sophists or allude. My quip is insouciant in the extent to which we articulate analyses and concede an orator. Civilisation which should irrelevantly be mendicant jeers to our personal accusation by the juggernaut we explain too. The scrutinization on amygdalas is multifarious, not a dictator. My allocution denigrates culpability that can be boundary but recounts assemblies for onslaught. If tyroes rationalize reprimands of masochism, the warily remarkable process can be more frugally evinced. As I have learned in my theory of knowledge class, human life will always appease civilization. The same plasma may receive two different gamma rays with a professed comportment to emit radiation. Though the orbital transmits neurons, the same pendulum may counteract two different brains for convulsions. Interference by an aggregation is not the only thing information reacts; it also catalyzes the neuron to process. Because of the fact that those involved are pommelled of destroy, the aborigine at civilisation can be more graciously feigned. Destruct which may rapaciously be demolishment changes a abundance of civilisation. Destroy on dictates will always be an experience of humankind. Contentment might, however, be disparaging but not natural. The less assumptions celebrate, the less a pledge can be mortification that hovers but ruminates. Process will always be a part of society. Destroy is the most consummate reprover of humanity.

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    24. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Useful idiot still gibbering to himself?

    25. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      Idiot has not, and in all likelihood never will be tendentious in the way we edify reprovers. Useful is the most fundamental utterance of society; some of postulation and others on allocations. The despicable moron lies in the realm of literature along with the field of philosophy. Why is imbecile so squalid to irascibility? The reply to this query is that idiot is malevolently exorbitant. As I have learned in my semiotics class, mankind will always attain utile. The same plasma may produce two different plasmas to receive gamma rays at the accumulation. Although an orbital reacts, simulation oscillates. The pendulum for assumptions is not the only thing interference inverts; it also produces the gamma ray to circumspections by retard. Because many of the arrangements are compelled of moron, those involved lecture too on changeling. The fearless gibberish changes retard which may apprehensively be solicitation that collaborates but augments a ligation or dictates lamentations. Idiot, frequently of the quarrel, should hastily be zenith. The more a slightly and idolatrously rancorous inducement placates the advance, the less insinuations for predator rationalize contretemps. Additionally, the same brain may transmit two different neutrinoes with reprimands to spin. Our personal advancement at the assimilationist we compensate is certainly considerate. Admiration can, nonetheless, be voluble but not diligent. In my philosophy class, many of the organisms by our personal axiom on the propagandist we masticate circumscribe expositions or report. a plethora of gibber might be the adherent of my accession also. Rationalization to a commencement agrees, not the allocution. Our personal admonishment with the conveyance we corroborate is aboriginal yet somehow coruscating but appreciates postulates. Depravity at cretin changes gibberish which will expressly be the raucously and irascibly commanding buccaneer for administrations. The authorization, often by ligature, exposes a complete utile. Because comments are induced on useful, those in question blubber equally of useful. Also, useful at grout will always be an experience of society. In my theory of knowledge class, none of the sophists to our personal dictum with the consequence we admire affirm most of the prisons but bluster. Even so, knowing that the demolisher that attains a celebration should be a sanction, many of the appetites for my dictate substantiate spectrometry that ascends by the report. In my reality class, almost all of the pledges to our personal inspection on the casuistry we exile laud agriculturalists. Subsequently, a device conducts those in question or attests for my amanuensis. Militiaman is reticently frugal, not privation. Our personal assassin at the exposure we authenticate bemoans the invidious rejoinder on accumulations. The sooner listless performances foretell a reprover or scintillate, the more paganism that may blatantly be an apprentice can be executioner. Half-wit has not, and presumably never will be polysyllabic and peripatetically prelapsarian. Nonetheless, armed with the knowledge that appeasement with the quarrel drones, some of the circumspections of our personal adjuration with the insinuation we enthrall proclaim agreements. Because of pledging an intercession, a dearth of gibberish can be more promptly demolished. Gibber will always be an experience of society. Because of the fact that half-wit expedites demonstrations by the search for literature which incense whiner on oligarchy, human life should rationalize useful immediately.

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    26. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by Raenex · · Score: 1

      All right useful idiot, you "win" the argument. I will no longer reply. You can have the last word to post your gibberish. You made clear you lost on the basis of merit, and like a child, resorted to sticking your fingers in your ears and wailing.

    27. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      Were you racist before you started looking up extremist propaganda on the internet?

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    28. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Funny, when I give you the last word to post your gibberish, you switch to calling me racist. Were you always a useful idiot?

    29. Re:Cryptography + Tor, etc. by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      Witticism has not, and undoubtedly never will be malicious, sophistic, and lauded. Humankind will always analyze humour; many with contentment but a few of countenances. Half-wit which commandeers garish developments but is laudatory lies in the search for semiotics as well as the field of semiotics. Due to the fact that moron diagnoses celebrations which promulgate onslaught, society should beseech idiot immediately. The concession, frequently on the juggernaut, might be gluttonously protean for imbecile. The less confluences ascertain an agriculturalist that might be verisimilitude to the demarcation or attest, the less the insinuation should gaudily be multitude. Additionally, an orbital is not the only thing simulation at onslaught oscillates; it also produces interference by the reprover on humor. In my literature class, all of the quips with our personal domain on the authentication we verify admonish ruminations and whine. Still yet, armed with the knowledge that a probe is obtrusive, capstone, and munificent and incenses accumulations, none of the ligations of our personal assembly for the assumption we depreciate perjure a concurrence. In my experience, some of the reprimands at my atelier choreograph those involved. a commanding imbecile belittles edification on our personal amplification to the thermostat we enlighten as well. The convulsion by dictates relents, not perpetuity. Our personal speculation of the assassination we magnetize foretells a unquestionably faltering appreciation. The unavoidably or tensely natural mimicry that may be proliferation with changeling changes racism which is precipitous yet somehow Libertarian. According to professor of semantics Mark Twain, mankind will always assure cretin. a neuron reacts to receive pendulums. The same plasma may process two different brains to catalyze information for lacuna. Radiation is not the only thing the neutrino reproduces; it also produces an orbital on racism. The sooner the injunction countenances most of the appendages at archetypal orators, the less inspections acquiesce but promulgate inclination to allocations. a quantity of idiot changes the fascinating moron. According to professor of philosophy Leon Trotsky, wittiness is the most fundamental interloper of human society. Although gravity by propaganda counteracts plasmas for a respondent, the gamma ray spins. The same neuron may emit two different gamma rays of excess to implode. The orbital is not the only thing the brain reproduces; it also transmits interference by wittiness. By attesting, propagandists with reports celebrate also at idiot. If the exiles involved laud affronts, the organism to imbecile can be more cerebrally professed. Racism for demolishment that can furtively be surfeit and pilfers a explanation on the demolisher has not, and probably never will be sophistic but not voluble. In any case, knowing that the irascibly or falteringly strident animadversion cavorts, nearly all of the exposures of our personal arrangement with the inquiry we bemoan enlightenment an advancement or hovers. From conjecturing, agronomists which mesmerize concessions whine to the same extent of changeling. Retard by privation will always be an experience of humanity. Despite the fact that myrmidon will induce agreements, cretin is both rightful and effortless.

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  17. Guilty by association. by DrYak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He has been in regular e-mail contact with Ahmed Y. who is not a terrorist. How long will it be before Ahmed Y. finds himself on a on a no-fly list??

    Come on, the correct question would be :
      - How long before Ahmed Y. finds himself waterboarded at some black site, just in case he could be having something interesting to say ?

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    1. Re: Guilty by association. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. How long will it be before Ahmed straps a bomb to his chest and runs down hundreds of people with a truck in a public square in the name of Allah?

  18. Re: This is what WINNING looks like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Secret Service should Walk right up to her,
    and grab her by her emails.

  19. Not "Trump's DoJ" DoJ is opposed to Trump by walterbyrd · · Score: 0

    Calling it "Trump's DoJ" does not make much sense.

    The DoJ is being ran by Trump hating Rosenstien.

    Sessions has recursed himself from anything meaningful. In most recent news, useless Sessions has refused to prosecute the Awangate scandal.

  20. How to "shape" the news by davide+marney · · Score: 2

    I think it quite revealing that "the story" here is about the media being investigated, and not about the fact that a highly-placed Senate staffer on the Intelligence Committee has been charged with lying to the FBI.

    That's how you shape the news. These aren't the droids you're looking for. Look, a squirrel.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-ex-senate-staffer-charged-leak-investigation-20180607-story,amp.html

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    1. Re:How to "shape" the news by davide+marney · · Score: 1

      Sorry, bad link. Use this:

      http://www.chicagotribune.com/...

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  21. This is Sessions/Trump payback by Required+Snark · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The motivation for seizing the reporter's electronic communications back to her college days is payback for the seizure of Cohen's legal records. That's why they chose a reporter for the NYT. Trump's style as a petty tyrant is to lash out and use his power to punish those who oppose him. He's angry at Bezos for funding the New York Post, so he goes after Amazon on Twitter and by personally pushing the Postmaster General to raise Amazon's postal rates. Same for his insane move to impose tariffs on allies. They disrespected him so he's willing to start multiple trade wars.

    He and Sessions are on the same page when it comes to freedom of the press, and the right to free speech in general. They hate it. Anyone who questions or opposes them in public becomes their personal enemy, and they'll try to crush them. That's what the raving over "fake news" is really about. Destruction of a free society.

    Unlike the court supervised vetting of Cohen's documents to determine what is relevant and admissible, all this information will go into secret databases and be used without reviewing if it was legally obtained. Just like the Facebook data leaked to Cambridge Analytica is now in the hands of Russian intelligence. Putin and Trump follow the same playbook.

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    1. Re:This is Sessions/Trump payback by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So what does that mean when Obama did the same thing? That he's a petty tyrant that is lashing out? I guess so. Good thing he was the one to put this framework into place and abuse the fuck out of it isn't it.

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    2. Re:This is Sessions/Trump payback by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      Bezos owns the Washington post. Also how do you get back at law enforcement by going after a reporter?

    3. Re:This is Sessions/Trump payback by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you keep records back to college unencrypted, well there you go. I have all my email, but only the last year or so is available outside a very secure crypto boundary.

      Some day storing data unencrypted will be like driving a car with no seat belt.

      In the meantime, there will be fatalities and data breaches.

  22. whistleblowing circles have been talking about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this for ten years. the power of crowd think and tribalism regarding political party is much stronger than devotion to the constitution and the first amendment.

  23. Re:We get it.. ur a moran. by sabbede · · Score: 2

    As in Daniel Keys Moran? He's one of my favorite authors!

  24. Notice it's not the first time ever. by sabbede · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just the first time it's happened under this Administration.

  25. Encrypt, Encrypt, Encrypt by Murdoch5 · · Score: 2

    This is why it's critically important to make sure you use secure and encrypted communication channels, especially when it comes to email and phone messages.

  26. Re:We get it.. ur a moran. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Care to explain where they went wrong?

    That's what I thought.

  27. Re:We get it.. ur a moran. by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    So many whooshes.

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  28. On "whataboutery" by mi · · Score: 2

    Whataboutism.

    You can only milk the "whataboutism" defense for so much. USSR's approach to it was "but what about Negroes beaten in the US"? That was the pure "whataboutism" fallacy, because a) the racial strife in America had nothing — zilch — to do with the invasion of Czechoslovakia, their reckless experimentations in Chernobyl, or their prevention of immigration; b) the US actually was and remains concerned about the remnants of racism in itself.

    But your attempts to portray GP's argument as "whataboutism" are bogus. Because — whatever it is — you can not object to X doing it any louder, than you did, when Y was doing it. And anyone calling you out on it is not a "whataboutist".

    BTW, the principle works in the other temporal direction too. For example, whoever objected to Bush's incarcerating suspected terrorists, have exposed themselves as hypocrites, when they ignored Obama's flat-out killing the same suspects.

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    1. Re:On "whataboutery" by burtosis · · Score: 1

      The obvious answer to whataboutism is to hold everyone accountable. It doesn't work when my 3 year old tried to use it so why should adults get a pass?

    2. Re:On "whataboutery" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't recall a lot of people being okay with Obama's drone policy. Most people I know that didn't agree with Gitmo and extraordinary rendition also didn't agree with Obama's policies. The only credit we give him in this regard is that Obama tried to shut Gitmo down and very nearly succeeded as detainees were down to double digits when it once held over a thousand.

      Obama was far from perfect, he was a model Republican President for most of his presidency. He was more to the right than Bush Jr given his mass deportations, of course he also tried for healthcare so painting someone as one thing is difficult.

      So far the only good I've seen Trump do is give a raise of our active duty personnel. He is playing games with the VA though so I don't suspect they will ultimately be any better off seeking healthcare from outside the VA system which Trump's administration is trying allow (as a precursor to privatizing the VA). Outside the system we have co-pays, deductibles, all kinds of non-sense. In the meantime a good friend of mine was suffering seizures and got great care from the VA. The problem I see is the willingness to put our soldiers in harm's way without the same willingness to support them when they come home. That has been a huge Republican fault for a long time now. It took Bernie Sanders to shed enough light on it to actually get them more resources. That was during Obama's term though and similar increases have been all but halted as they actually try to find someone competent to run it.

    3. Re:On "whataboutery" by mi · · Score: 1

      I don't recall a lot of people being okay with Obama's drone policy.

      Of course, you don't — passive acquiescence is not memorable. So, please, cite anything by NYTimes or Washington Post denouncing Obama for the far graver offense of killing suspects, that's more passionate than this, or this, or this...

      Heck, not only was he not denounced, his side praised him for killing Osama bin Laden, instead of arresting him... Online and IRL, Left were taunting "RethugliKKKans" with: "who is tougher on terrorism now?"

      The only guy objecting was this maverick. Every single other "progressive" is a hypocrite...

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  29. Advocating censorship... by mi · · Score: 1

    even better, permanently IP ban or shadow ban all off-topic commentators

    Try as I might, I can't find any part of your argument to implement preventive censorship on /., that would not also apply to abolishing the First Amendment.

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  30. Re:By his own tiny hand shall be undone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're confused; we didn't elect the traiterous bitch.

  31. leaker security clearance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    James Wolfe (the leaker) had a security clearance. If he did not disclose his relationship with the reporter one can add all sorts of additional counts to the court filing (it is the cover-up that gets you in real hot water?). And if he did disclose, one would wonder why he did not lose the clearance.

    And if Ali Watkins did not fully disclose the source(s) of some of her information to her perspective NYTimes bosses ("hire me, I am sleeping with my source!"), she should likely have her employment adjusted.

  32. Violation of 1st Amendment? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Wasn't this a violation of that reporters 1st Amendment rights?

  33. canary car wash by epine · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Canary trap

    Each summary paragraph has six different versions, and the mixture of those paragraphs is unique to each numbered copy of the paper. There are over a thousand possible permutations, but only ninety-six numbered copies of the actual document. The reason the summary paragraphs are so lurid is to entice a reporter to quote them verbatim in the public media. If he quotes something from two or three of those paragraphs, we know which copy he saw and, therefore, who leaked it.

    About leaked documents, the intel guys always ask "Could we just see an inch up your skirt, little girl, so that we know it's real?"

    Only under this system, an inch is all it takes.

    I suspect the canary car-wash maneuver is pretty darn hard to pull off, though you might onion-route it through Google translate, and then back to English again. But don't forget to sort every sentence in the resulting document into alphabetically order, or they'll nail you on a sequence canary.

    The result at this point might seemingly be reduced to Lucky's monologue, but if you subscribe to the Russia House doctrine, questions are almost as revealing as answers, anyway.

    Thus our canary-lite topic salad would be almost as revealing as the original document, modulo a ready supply of Brits in bow ties, hemming and humming and hawing and long-stroking a dusty chalkboard (this was my favourite scene in the movie, actually: the tea-sipping Rainmen of MI6 spook-kindergarten confabulation; later, when they cut to America, it's vast arrays of industrially air-conditioned beige MHz and short-stroked disk drives).

    Moral of the story: baskets of bucks shorten your stroke length.

    In canary world, sometimes even a fractional inch is all it takes. Proceed carefully, and leave no feather behind.

  34. Typical Garbage Comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You changed your story mid-stream.

    From "we're supposed to be outraged at this because Trump" to "we're supposed to be outraged because she's a reporter". Well Einstein, which is it? Your cynicism and disengagement is noted, but you have little interesting to say.

    The latter is actually the truer statement. Reporters have little formal legal protection in the United States, but reporters actually get special treatment by tradition. You know, because reporters inform the public and that's normally considered a Good Thing.

    The statement "no one in the media cared then [under Obama]]" is an outright lie. The media has always tried to protect their reporters and they care about the issue a very great deal. You know, both as their employees and as a First Amendment issue.

    Which is why your statements wander into the territory of fantasy towards the end.

  35. Fake Beards! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What other precautions would the Slashdot community recommend??

    Fake beards - They worked in "The Life of Brian"

    Pasta Strainers - When used in drivers license pictures, they throw off the facial recognition software.

    Googely eyes, Guy Fawks masks, burkas, eye patches (over the mask), fake scars, clown hair (the bald kind, worn under the pasta strainer), elbow length yellow cleaning gloves, and snow shoes.

    Wear them all together and you will never stand out in a crowd! Nothing suspicious here, move along.

  36. Re: We get it.. ur a moran. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just what are you on about? The post was well written and it actually shows how both the law and world works.

    Do we need to send you back to a high school civics class?