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Two Quantum Computing Bills Are Coming To Congress (gizmodo.com)
Quantum computing has made it to the United States Congress. "Quantum computing is the next technological frontier that will change the world, and we cannot afford to fall behind," said Senator Kamala Harris (D-California) in a statement passed to Gizmodo. "We must act now to address the challenges we face in the development of this technology -- our future depends on it." From the report: The bill introduced by Harris in the Senate focuses on defense, calling for the creation of a consortium of researchers selected by the Chief of Naval Research and the Director of the Army Research Laboratory. The consortium would award grants, assist with research, and facilitate partnerships between the members. Another, yet-to-be-introduced bill, seen in draft form by Gizmodo, calls for a 10-year National Quantum Initiative Program to set goals and priorities for quantum computing in the US; invest in the technology; and partner with academia and industry. An office within the Department of Energy would coordinate the program. Another group would include members from the National Science Foundation, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, the Department of Energy, the office of the Director of National Intelligence to coordinate research and education activity between agencies. Furthermore, the draft bill calls for the establishment of up to five Quantum Information Science research centers, as well as two multidisciplinary National Centers for Quantum Research and Education.
Hmm just yesterday was the secret Bilderberg Conference
where the most powerful people talked about Quantum Computing.
Now they’re introducing a new bill.
But no, they totally don’t make decisions there.
Plus isn’t it crazy that this is just a thing since Bitcoin has gained traction?
Only way to destroy Bitcoin is to accellerate Quantum Computing.
HMMMMM
After "cloud", this is now the new favorite of those who print out the tubes.
I thought the free market was magically supposed to provide all the innovation we needed?
Sure, nobody could so far put up any evidence that Quantum Computing will ever be able to be more efficient than conventional computing, but hey, let's allocate billions to the belief in the hype.
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You want quantum computing but your dumbing down the population to such an extent its not funny.....
These two things are mutually exclusive.
You are all cows. Cows say moo. MOOOOOO! MOOOOOOO! Moo cows MOOOOOOO! Moo say the cows. YOU QUBIT COWS!!
What is the hash rate of the fastest quantum computer?
AFAIK, your post is complete nonsense. It is perfectly well known for which tasks quantum computing will be more efficient than conventional computing and how many functioning Qbits you need (with given error rates). Note that the computational power does not increase linearly when doubling qbits. Apart from the tasks that we know can be solved, there is an ever expanding list of research results of more tasks that quantum computers are suitable for. You have to think of a quantum computer like a giant and fragile (unfortunately) co-processor that is insanely fast for certain tasks, not as a replacement for conventional computers.
If quantum computing is "all that" surely a company or two is working on solutions as we speak, and if they come up with something, they could sell it on the free market, then the government can purchase it, if it is worthwhile.
That basically means it is a dud. There have been countless others before. This one just ghosts around a bit longer, because it sounds a bit like "magic" and people without an actual grasp of Science like that.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Gosh, if only someone had thought of this before. Creating a sort of Defense Agency to oversee Research Project Administration.
Imagine the innovations that could be unleashed! We could call it DARPA. Oh, waitaminute.
Hey Kamala! The 60's are calling, and they want their idea back
Quantum computers can break some modern crypto. For example, RSA is based on the unproven assumption that factoring is a "hard" problem. We already know that it's not a hard problem for quantum computers. RSA is toast with quantum computing and it's not the only one. It's not about efficiency. It's about completing the totalitarian panopticon, and it's scary shit.
If it doesn't put the coal miners back to work it isn't going to go anywhere. #MAGA!
So this is a story about TWO bills about Quantum Computing coming before the US Congress, and NO jokes so far relating to quantum theory, quantum mechanics, the bills being quantum entangled with each other, nothing suggesting we are able to know the way one bill will be voted on, even if deliberations are held in closed session, merely by observing the state of the other despite the distance between them... what HAPPENED to you, SLASHDOT?!? There should be like, fifty jokes about this so far! FIFTY! This has been here for... minutes and minutes! WTF? Come ON, guys! Up the GAME! This is like a politician's sex scandal and you write jokes for late night television show hosts! They practically write themselves! I'm no comedian, and I've already come up with like, THREE! Let's GO!
Our reign has gone on long enough. Indeed. Summon the meteors.
Who should be allowed to do it and who should not. As if the bad guys will give a rat's ass about your silly laws. On the other hand, it's possible that the NSA is already ahead of private industry in QC and these bills are just a move to drag commercial development down into a giant bureaucratic clusterfuck.
Have gnu, will travel.
The best and fastest way to the realization of quantum computing is to keep the government out. They screw everything up. Universities have become a research joke. They're more interested in which office they get and pushing diversity than building these machines.
my freedom back. I don't need my government stealing from my to redistribute wealth to others. I don't care if its welfare or this. Get the fuck out of my life.
>It is perfectly well known for which tasks quantum computing will be more efficient than conventional computing
But as the poster you rudely accused of posting nonsense wrote, it's never been demonstrated.
There are legitimate reasons to think it will never happen: Noise, cost scaling of maintaining low entropy space, incompatibility between quantum error correction on qbits and doing logic on those qbits.
I'm a sceptic. I don't expect to see the ECDLP for deployed key sizes solved by quantum computers, ever.
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Silicon Valley, yet again, wants to get govt to pursue their goals. Just like promoting schools to divert limited resources to programming education, or pushing for H-1b visas. This is in spite of a computer programmer glut.
spending money on Basic Research is perfectly consistent with the Democratic Party's platform.
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it's when you research something that's not immediately profitable but might be some day. Most of the time it doesn't pan out and when it does it takes decades. But you wouldn't be typing this on a computer if it didn't sometimes pan out because we wouldn't have microprocessors.
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See here. For an entirely new field of study that touches on particle physics that's not bad. Not everything has to turn a profit right the f now. If we ran things like that it would take centuries to get anything major done, which is exactly what was going on for the first several thousand years of human history.
If we can afford to spend $21 million on a single bomb to drop on Afghanistan to inaugurate President Trump we can spend some money on basic research.
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I agree there's not a thing wrong with the research, that's great, and it's true that a lot of interesting research never results in anything tangible. The thing that gets my goat is the modern Valley's tendency to talk about what is pure speculation (not the principles, but legitimate hardware. Conjecture is pretty much just 'making stuff up', and vapor is, well, vapor) as though it were fully functional technology to line their pockets. On the plus side, perhaps we'll finally stop being beaten over the head with 'AI' hype and big data will finally be accepted as the useless gibberish it is; conversely, cue the wild, unfounded, and wholly fabricated quantum computing bludgeoning in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 . . . GO!
The recipients of the billions in funding will look like a 'who's who' list of congressional donors.
I'm not so bothered about the fact they're bringing two bills to the floor as I am in this question: how will the politicians spin both bills? With the same quantum spin number, or something else?
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Kamala should add cold fusion to the bill too, because we really need alternative energy! That's how progressives create progress: they write a bill, pour hundreds of billions of money into the hands of corporations, and then magically progress happens! Just look at history, it's how the automobile, the integrated circuit, the telephone, the light bulb, the laser printer, and digital cameras were created! Progressive science policy FTW!
Sure, nobody could so far put up any evidence that Quantum Computing will ever be able to be more efficient than conventional computing, but hey, let's allocate billions to the belief in the hype.
I firmly believe QC hype is pure crackpottery. People going around thinking QC will one day endow them with magical superpowers to break codes and solve problems that couldn't be solved even if every atom in the entire universe were a transistor is no different in my opinion than selling free energy devices.
Yet still it is obvious from accelerating rate of change QC will have a place and in certain domains QC will be more dollar efficient than traditional computers. Progress being made in the last couple of years is most impressive.
Don't hate on QC just because the hype lever is set to 11. It's a real technology with real promise.
With an attitude like that we would never have got to the moon, heck we would never have left our nice warm cave.
Hey, better idea: let's allocate billions to mass surveillance, economic wars and derailing 3rd world states instead!
This really isn't accurate. Cold Fusion didn't correspond to how we understood how basic physics worked, and had substantial problems with claims being made that could not be replicated. Quantum computing in contrast has an extremely well-developed theory behind it; the primary issues of getting it to work are engineering, not physics. In that regard, quantum computing is very close to trying to develop practical conventional fusion technology: we're pretty sure in principle it can be done, but the engineering involved is difficult enough that it isn't clear we're going to be able to do it any time soon.
' Increasing Entanglement Between Military and Industrial Complexes'
1. Quantum computers haven't broken any modern cryptographic algorithms. Not one. There isn't even one that can break ancient DES encryption let alone anything used in the last quarter century.
Where is the evidence?
2. OTP and PFS make your concerns...not a concern. We have cryptography in place today that will thwart these hypothetical causation-breaking engines with little more than a config change.
This is more FUD. People are making money and power keeping you scared and afraid. Trust your brain and not their words.
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You have a conceptual flaw. In the short term, quantum computing ain't supposed to overcome transistor computing. But there are some important applications were
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Quantum computing is supposed to improve by orders of magnitude some specific tasks which are very important. Whether they'll achieve that or not, I don't know.
There are no functional quantum computers at this point. Only demonstration qubit registers that may or may not be actual quantum entangled bits.
So the hash rate is zero.
>it's never been demonstrated.
Of course not, because quantum entanglement is not fully understood. The Copenhagen interpretation is likely not correct, despite being the 95% rule in physics right now.
The idea that a qubit computer will use millions of parallel worlds to collapse a wave function and give you the right answer is a lot like saying there is magical zero point energy everywhere just waiting to be tapped.
This depends on your precise definition of Quantum Computer. D-Wave sells something that they reasonably call a Quantum Computer, but it's not a general quantum computer. And all their customers have been cagey about how effective it is.
That said, simulated annealing through quantum mechanics is reasonably called quantum computing. (I think I remember that that's what D-Wave claims to do.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Actually, it's not that clear. Certain quantum processes have been applied successfully on reasonably large scale to Quantum Computing, but they aren't (or don't seem) sufficient to build a general quantum computer, but only a specialized variety that can handle some problems well, but can't touch others.
Other techniques have been shown to work in the lab, but getting the error rates under control has been quite a challenge, and nobody has proven that they can do this in a stable fashion.
Even then, for many problems it has not been shown that quantum computers provide any advantage. Perhaps they do, but this will require that new algorithms be developed, and until the computers are actually available, little effort is going to be expended in this direction. And maybe they don't exist. It's also possible that one *can't* get the error rates under control.
So it's possible that quantum computers have only a niche use, and can't really do things like Shor's algorithm in any practical case.
Nobody knows...but it general quantum computers are reasonably realizable, then they'll make current encryption essentially worthless...so there will be an important niche use for them even if no new algorithms get developed...and there's no reason to think they won't be.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
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D-Wave is believed to be a supercooled magnetic computer. It uses quantum effects in a different way. It is not what we are talking about when we talk about solving with qubits.
It is perfectly well known for which tasks quantum computing will be more efficient than conventional computing
False. They're not actually known to be more efficient. Today we can already build a quantum computer in the form of software simulators that stand on top of normal hardware. If quantum computation was truly inherently more efficient ---- then we could just a quantum algorithm rnning on top of the software simulator as our more-efficient implementation.
Quantum computers might turn out not be more efficient at all. Only one limited facets of efficiency is well-known/established; the space and number of basic computation steps, and the reduction in steps.
However; the steps being compared between types of computers are not an apples-to-apples comparison, more like apples and oranges, therefore what is known cannot show that a quantum computer will be as faster or more efficient than has been suggested.
you know that's a good thing, right? Just so we're on the same page it's a good thing.
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If you're going to be competitive on the World Stage with Quantum Computing, Artificial Intelligence, and the like, you're first going to have to solve your education problem.
The country that will win this race has already figured out that they need a highly educated population to get there.
Period.
You don't get there by putting entire generations into debt so deep that they drown in it before their lives even get started.
You don't get there with the piss-poor system we have in place today where only the rich have a realistic chance of getting such an education en masse.
You don't get there when kids don't want to do well in school because they get ostracized for it. It isn't " cool " to be smart these days.
While difficult to do, the US needs to scrap the current model of our education system and go with one that will produce what we're looking for.
Look at what is working in other countries and use their model if need be. Maybe reign in that defense budget a bit. Take the billions you were going to
spend on yet another stealth bomber or aircraft carrier and put it towards something a bit more useful.
( I mean, damn, how many bombers and carriers do we really need ? )
Simply wishing for a thing doesn't get you there. You have to put in a serious effort first.
( Keyword: Serious. Not the shit-show we have today )
Rewards come later.
Congress to take up bill regulating perpetual motion.
Greed is the root of all evil.
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